Global economical security in natal Charts

[Guest guest]

To All,

 

My concern and prayers for all countries affected by the economical decline in

USA global markets; especially the Asian and Australian countries.

 

Maybe members would like to bring forth the natal charts of their countries to

study( without political commentary) for comparison against USA natal chart for

their own concerns of future financial security.

 

It is an important time in recent history that effects all of us with long term

consequences.

 

Uttara

 

  " Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "  

Guatama

Buddha

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Uttara,

 

This is indeed a relevant topic. Requiring a little more mental alertness

than I seem to have at the moment. Hopefully though I'll be able to focus

on it sooner rather than later.

 

I do think the Sagittarius chart, with dasa of 8th lord running, is very

revealing.

 

The chart I work with is:

4 Jul 1776 (17:57:30)

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

USA

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25 PM

Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

To All,

 

My concern and prayers for all countries affected by the economical

decline in USA global markets; especially the Asian and Australian

countries.

 

Maybe members would like to bring forth the natal charts of their

countries to study( without political commentary) for comparison against

USA natal chart for their own concerns of future financial security.

 

It is an important time in recent history that effects all of us with

long term consequences.

 

Uttara

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama

Buddha

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

This could be debated with others resources.

However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.

 

If we take this position without debate then one would find that the transit of

Ketu is currently transiting the USA natal chart in it's ninth house of

Cancer/Mo. where Me retrograde and Ra sit. 2nd hse of gains for security and

such is Leo where Saturn is currenty transiting and showing a faltering view of

strength.

 

Uttara

Not withstanding, the repercussions of USA is felt globally for better or worse

 

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 1:07:53 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

This is indeed a relevant topic. Requiring a little more mental alertness

than I seem to have at the moment. Hopefully though I'll be able to focus

on it sooner rather than later.

 

I do think the Sagittarius chart, with dasa of 8th lord running, is very

revealing.

 

The chart I work with is:

4 Jul 1776 (17:57:30)

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

USA

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25 PM

Global economical security in natal Charts

 

To All,

 

My concern and prayers for all countries affected by the economical

decline in USA global markets; especially the Asian and Australian

countries.

 

Maybe members would like to bring forth the natal charts of their

countries to study( without political commentary) for comparison against

USA natal chart for their own concerns of future financial security.

 

It is an important time in recent history that effects all of us with

long term consequences.

 

Uttara

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama

Buddha

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

correction: should read 2nd hse of gains from 9th hse shows gains for security

and such in leo. Instead of 2nd hse of gains for security and such is Leo

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 10:07:55 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

This could be debated with others resources.

However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.

 

If we take this position without debate then one would find that the transit of

Ketu is currently transiting the USA natal chart in it's ninth house of

Cancer/Mo. where Me retrograde and Ra sit. 2nd hse of gains for security and

such is Leo where Saturn is currenty transiting and showing a faltering view of

strength.

 

Uttara

Not withstanding, the repercussions of USA is felt globally for better or worse

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 1:07:53 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

Dear Uttara,

 

This is indeed a relevant topic. Requiring a little more mental alertness

than I seem to have at the moment. Hopefully though I'll be able to focus

on it sooner rather than later.

 

I do think the Sagittarius chart, with dasa of 8th lord running, is very

revealing.

 

The chart I work with is:

4 Jul 1776 (17:57:30)

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

USA

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25 PM

Global economical security in natal Charts

 

To All,

 

My concern and prayers for all countries affected by the economical

decline in USA global markets; especially the Asian and Australian

countries.

 

Maybe members would like to bring forth the natal charts of their

countries to study( without political commentary) for comparison against

USA natal chart for their own concerns of future financial security.

 

It is an important time in recent history that effects all of us with

long term consequences.

 

Uttara

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama

Buddha

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Uttara,

 

///I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

This could be debated with others resources.

However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.///

 

Thank you; However I'm confident that lagna is Sagittarius.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:07 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

This could be debated with others resources.

However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.

 

If we take this position without debate then one would find that the

transit of Ketu is currently transiting the USA natal chart in it's ninth

house of Cancer/Mo. where Me retrograde and Ra sit. 2nd hse of gains for

security and such is Leo where Saturn is currenty transiting and showing

a faltering view of strength.

 

Uttara

Not withstanding, the repercussions of USA is felt globally for better or

worse

 

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree. This Scorpio ASC seems to be off, for I have seen it

mostly with a sag ASC in the past. I must do more research for an

accurate time ans using your data as a guideline.

 

Uttara

p.s. in the meantime lets go with your data!

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Uttara,

>

> ///I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

> This could be debated with others resources.

> However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

> and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.///

>

> Thank you; However I'm confident that lagna is Sagittarius.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:07 AM

> Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

>

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

> I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

> This could be debated with others resources.

> However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

> and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.

>

> If we take this position without debate then one would find that the

> transit of Ketu is currently transiting the USA natal chart in it's

ninth

> house of Cancer/Mo. where Me retrograde and Ra sit. 2nd hse of

gains for

> security and such is Leo where Saturn is currenty transiting and

showing

> a faltering view of strength.

>

> Uttara

> Not withstanding, the repercussions of USA is felt globally for

better or

> worse

>

>

>

> " Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

> truth " Guatama Buddha

>

[Guest guest]

PS: Perhaps you could share, based on historical events, why you favour

Scorpio :-)

_______________________________

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

This could be debated with others resources.

However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.///

 

Thank you; However I'm confident that lagna is Sagittarius.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:07 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

This could be debated with others resources.

However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.

 

If we take this position without debate then one would find that the

transit of Ketu is currently transiting the USA natal chart in it's ninth

house of Cancer/Mo. where Me retrograde and Ra sit. 2nd hse of gains for

security and such is Leo where Saturn is currenty transiting and showing

a faltering view of strength.

 

Uttara

Not withstanding, the repercussions of USA is felt globally for better or

worse

 

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

[Guest guest]

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of popular

consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor Gemini. Thus

being one emphasis collective power of finance over a personal USA power of

country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would definitely speak to collective

finance globally in eight house from ASC Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all becomes

subjective. However, as a student of correct information and factual knowledge

for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined in study and as you say

back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!!!

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 11:08:07 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

PS: Perhaps you could share, based on historical events, why you favour

Scorpio :-)

____________ _________ _________ _

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

This could be debated with others resources.

However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.///

 

Thank you; However I'm confident that lagna is Sagittarius.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:07 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

Dear Mrs Wendy and All,

I work with natal USA natal chart of 17:10:00, +5 Time zone.

This could be debated with others resources.

However, the significance of this chart does display an ASC Scorpio 21*

and a 8th hse of GE/Me with a stellium of Ma Su Ju Ve.

 

If we take this position without debate then one would find that the

transit of Ketu is currently transiting the USA natal chart in it's ninth

house of Cancer/Mo. where Me retrograde and Ra sit. 2nd hse of gains for

security and such is Leo where Saturn is currenty transiting and showing

a faltering view of strength.

 

Uttara

Not withstanding, the repercussions of USA is felt globally for better or

worse

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Uttara,

 

///p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it

all becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis. :)///

 

My approach to the question of (correct) US Chart was to first research

the signing of the document " Declaration of Independence " . Once I was

(fairly) confident of the most likely time frame, based on the

information available, I set about rectifying the time based on

past/present events. I cannot speak for the findings of others...only my

own.

 

I did discuss this rectified (Sagittarius) chart quite some time back but

a quick search in the archives has failed to bring it up so far? Perhaps

I can search again when I have a little more time. I should have included

my research in the notes attached to the chart (PL)...I wouldn't now be

facing the task of redoing it " -(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:27 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of

popular consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor

Gemini. Thus being one emphasis collective power of finance over a

personal USA power of country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would

definitely speak to collective finance globally in eight house from ASC

Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all

becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!!!

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

[Guest guest]

Great! I am all ears and eyes in your lesson of reason. It should prove to be

scholarly as your posts always are :-)

 

In the meantime, with Sag ASC, it does show that Ketu would be transiting the

vitality and emotions of the USA in Cancer/Mo 8th house and also the Saturn in

Dharma house of 9th Leo. Both Sun and Moon rulers affected.

 

Uttara

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:08 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it

all becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis. :)///

 

My approach to the question of (correct) US Chart was to first research

the signing of the document " Declaration of Independence " . Once I was

(fairly) confident of the most likely time frame, based on the

information available, I set about rectifying the time based on

past/present events. I cannot speak for the findings of others...only my

own.

 

I did discuss this rectified (Sagittarius) chart quite some time back but

a quick search in the archives has failed to bring it up so far? Perhaps

I can search again when I have a little more time. I should have included

my research in the notes attached to the chart (PL)...I wouldn't now be

facing the task of redoing it " -(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:27 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of

popular consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor

Gemini. Thus being one emphasis collective power of finance over a

personal USA power of country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would

definitely speak to collective finance globally in eight house from ASC

Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all

becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!! !

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Be sure to Watch V.P. candidates tomorrow 9pm Eastern time +4 time zone. Oct

2nd. Should prove to be very interesting. Probably early morning your time. With

everything that has fallen apart earlier this week in USA economy and then the

bailout vote this evening, this debate could be a clincher for a presidential

candidate winner in the election of Nov 4th. Gad, I can't believe I just said

that but it is true. Taking Sag ASC with transits tomorrow evening for debate

should prove to be an eye opener also. The vote this evening will also have I

believe monumental repercussions globally, especially in the long run. Looking

at the USA natal chart compared to other countries will be a good study for all.

Lets see if we can pinpoint USA natal charts weaknesses and strengths against

others.

Uttara

 

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:08 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it

all becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis. :)///

 

My approach to the question of (correct) US Chart was to first research

the signing of the document " Declaration of Independence " . Once I was

(fairly) confident of the most likely time frame, based on the

information available, I set about rectifying the time based on

past/present events. I cannot speak for the findings of others...only my

own.

 

I did discuss this rectified (Sagittarius) chart quite some time back but

a quick search in the archives has failed to bring it up so far? Perhaps

I can search again when I have a little more time. I should have included

my research in the notes attached to the chart (PL)...I wouldn't now be

facing the task of redoing it " -(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:27 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of

popular consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor

Gemini. Thus being one emphasis collective power of finance over a

personal USA power of country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would

definitely speak to collective finance globally in eight house from ASC

Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all

becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!! !

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Uttaraji and all

Bail out plans is a hard reconciliation to the fact that the financial losses

seen around are to be treated as advances(as if lent out and a bad debt) to

recover the losses as early as possible.

with two or even more views of economic outlook,the Nation is reeling under

crisis.with sagittarus ascendant,9th represented by leo with it's lord in 7th

along with Mars,venus and jupiter.Jupiter in airy sign and in arudra nakshtra of

Rahu,indicates devine's intervention to find way for the crisis.This determined

effort,particularly with saturn in 10th(virco sign) is asoecting sun(lord of

9th).This means it is firmly felt how leaders /head of the State have come under

trap and hence pressure..

This 7th house of public affairs is also 5th from moon(aqarius) indicating the

leagcy that is under correction for betterment.ketu how ever in 12th from moon

takes shaped willingness to yield to public pressure and make the whole issue a

prestigeous matter and deal crisis.

 we need however to see bhava chart in which sun(as atmakarak) placed

in8th(along with planet of logic and dreaded Rahu) holds keys.This means

problems continue to persist as Federal Govt looks for fresh ideas to improve

economy.

Sagittarus ascdt with moon in 3rd is somw what a pacification as no frenziness

prevails.Moon in kumbha has the solace of jupiter 9th aspect promoting good

communication and willingness to tide over sutuation/crisis

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008, 2:02 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Be sure to Watch V.P. candidates tomorrow 9pm Eastern time +4 time zone. Oct

2nd. Should prove to be very interesting. Probably early morning your time. With

everything that has fallen apart earlier this week in USA economy and then the

bailout vote this evening, this debate could be a clincher for a presidential

candidate winner in the election of Nov 4th. Gad, I can't believe I just said

that but it is true. Taking Sag ASC with transits tomorrow evening for debate

should prove to be an eye opener also. The vote this evening will also have I

believe monumental repercussions globally, especially in the long run. Looking

at the USA natal chart compared to other countries will be a good study for all.

Lets see if we can pinpoint USA natal charts weaknesses and strengths against

others.

Uttara

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:08 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it

all becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis. :)///

 

My approach to the question of (correct) US Chart was to first research

the signing of the document " Declaration of Independence " . Once I was

(fairly) confident of the most likely time frame, based on the

information available, I set about rectifying the time based on

past/present events. I cannot speak for the findings of others...only my

own.

 

I did discuss this rectified (Sagittarius) chart quite some time back but

a quick search in the archives has failed to bring it up so far? Perhaps

I can search again when I have a little more time. I should have included

my research in the notes attached to the chart (PL)...I wouldn't now be

facing the task of redoing it " -(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:27 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of

popular consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor

Gemini. Thus being one emphasis collective power of finance over a

personal USA power of country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would

definitely speak to collective finance globally in eight house from ASC

Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all

becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!! !

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs WEndy and Uttara Ji,

The popularly accepted version of US Chart shows saturn as ascendant with

sun,mars,venus and jupiter.

Sun as lord of 9th is the dispositor of 7th. & th lord in 8th indicates,the

atmosphere for growth and development in associations and partnership,which US

has so far practised and suggested.

In this problem however remains with rasi,the moon sign kumbha,dispositor saturn

in 6/8 axis in natal chart.This brings in controversy and brings out intentions

which lack fairness..The benific planet jupiter in neutral sign as lord of lagna

also aspects moon,that bestows opportunity for reconciliatory position to bring

name and fame to the country.

A reference in all mundane studies would be benificial to have understanding of

bhava chart too to get understanding of likely behaviour planets.The events

expected in the next six moths to go atleast upto April2009,need careful

approach in several issues.Possible 2/8 position of Rahu-Ketu(in makara) in 2nd

indicates the talk tough US is forced make on several global affairs,Public

opinion is always against for several of the moves US likely to make in near

future.That way saturn is likely to remind/say once again Politics is the game

of Dirty Men.

vrkrishan

 

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008, 1:28 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it

all becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis. :)///

 

My approach to the question of (correct) US Chart was to first research

the signing of the document " Declaration of Independence " . Once I was

(fairly) confident of the most likely time frame, based on the

information available, I set about rectifying the time based on

past/present events. I cannot speak for the findings of others...only my

own.

 

I did discuss this rectified (Sagittarius) chart quite some time back but

a quick search in the archives has failed to bring it up so far? Perhaps

I can search again when I have a little more time. I should have included

my research in the notes attached to the chart (PL)...I wouldn't now be

facing the task of redoing it " -(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:27 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of

popular consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor

Gemini. Thus being one emphasis collective power of finance over a

personal USA power of country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would

definitely speak to collective finance globally in eight house from ASC

Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all

becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!! !

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Vr,

Thanks for your previous post and the info here.

Unfortunately, I have once again (inadvertently) brought up a topic for study

without a secure birth time. Which makes the objective discussion of the topic

to be questioned at best and argued at worse. All my created charts which had

USA chart there were erased when I did an update for my astro program. With

charts there I took it as it was without much thought or deciphering times.

However, since I am starting from scratch, I have had to rely on what the

consensus are for the USA natal chart. What I didn't realized until I got into

researching the USA natal chart, how much diversity there has been on its birth

time.

 

I knew yesterday that the calculations for birth time that i reported here were

not on point for an ASC that I thought I had used in the past. that being a

Scorpio ASC did seem to be off. However, Mrs Wendy brought to my attention the

time and degree of Sag. that seem to fit better. When I did further research

last evening, I realized that the ASC degree was all over the place. As often

happens when one is trying to put forth their hypothesis - including mine

without a secure time. However, what i did find, was the favoring of a Sag ASC

by most and second best was Gemini ASC. I did say last evening that I thought

Mrs. Wendy's Sag ASC fit the 8th house of collective finance (for the USA and

its business Globally) vs. having a Gemini ASC where its second house, I

believe, would represent USA's financial concern more for self.

When i took a brief look at some events for USA, the SAG Asc seem to fit more

for Global finance in trading and resource for its own people as well as for

others. Also events, did line up with a Sag Asc with it s Dashas.

 

Here is my objective. To study the USA Natal from the date of Declaration of

Independence signed.

Mine you not enacted. There are several charts for the 3 government branches at

the time that can be used, but I choose to use this one as an overall. Much

like Lahiri was established as the one to represent many ayanamshas. So, with

that thought, I am very comfortable using Mrs. Wendy's calculation for our

exercise in study the current economical effects of USA globally. God knows,

the USA as itself is marred in a controversy as to how to get the country out of

its financial crisis before anyone can address confidently how it will effect

economical issues Globally with any security. Also the country is in the middle

of voting for a new president and that will also change the effects of how

Congress and House, who really have the power to run the country, to do so. the

country is also in the middle of a war.

 

Here is an added thought on arriving at an ASC. I used +5 time zone without

(DST) but it continually comes in with a Scorpio ASC for 17:10pm. Whether I used

LMT or not. So, what I did to get a Sag ASC was to add an hour to the 17:10 and

with a +5 time zone got a Sag ASC. Ok, this is OK, accept that most charts for

USA are calculated in Tropical and not sidereal. So, it would make sense they

would use a time (17:10) that would register in Vedic 23* difference in earlier

time. I can't seem to figure this out. It doesn't add up. So, I don't know

what time was used for tropical calculations were used vs Vedic.

 

This just may show my own confusion or ignorance but at this point if I put into

my program 18:10 or more accurately Mrs. Wendy's time of 18:57:30 with a +5 time

Zone I do get a 15* Sag ASC.

 

So, lets use ASC 15* Sag for discussion for anyone interested in pursuing this

topic.

 

Uttara

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:57:59 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

Dear Mrs WEndy and Uttara Ji,

The popularly accepted version of US Chart shows saturn as ascendant with

sun,mars,venus and jupiter.

Sun as lord of 9th is the dispositor of 7th. & th lord in 8th indicates,the

atmosphere for growth and development in associations and partnership, which US

has so far practised and suggested.

In this problem however remains with rasi,the moon sign kumbha,dispositor saturn

in 6/8 axis in natal chart.This brings in controversy and brings out intentions

which lack fairness..The benific planet jupiter in neutral sign as lord of lagna

also aspects moon,that bestows opportunity for reconciliatory position to bring

name and fame to the country.

A reference in all mundane studies would be benificial to have understanding of

bhava chart too to get understanding of likely behaviour planets.The events

expected in the next six moths to go atleast upto April2009,need careful

approach in several issues.Possible 2/8 position of Rahu-Ketu(in makara) in 2nd

indicates the talk tough US is forced make on several global affairs,Public

opinion is always against for several of the moves US likely to make in near

future.That way saturn is likely to remind/say once again Politics is the game

of Dirty Men.

vrkrishan

 

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008, 1:28 AM

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it

all becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis. :)///

 

My approach to the question of (correct) US Chart was to first research

the signing of the document " Declaration of Independence " . Once I was

(fairly) confident of the most likely time frame, based on the

information available, I set about rectifying the time based on

past/present events. I cannot speak for the findings of others...only my

own.

 

I did discuss this rectified (Sagittarius) chart quite some time back but

a quick search in the archives has failed to bring it up so far? Perhaps

I can search again when I have a little more time. I should have included

my research in the notes attached to the chart (PL)...I wouldn't now be

facing the task of redoing it " -(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:27 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of

popular consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor

Gemini. Thus being one emphasis collective power of finance over a

personal USA power of country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would

definitely speak to collective finance globally in eight house from ASC

Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all

becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!! !

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Uttaraji,

This chart which I got from AM,Star Teller and other popular magazines is in

vogue for mundane purposes for quite some time.

Even the time was also obtained earlier as at Phildelphia and studied.Now from

the study for national purposes,the sagittarus was already analysed by many and

incase you need you can check with the website of EST or AM also

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008, 5:13 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vr,

Thanks for your previous post and the info here.

Unfortunately, I have once again (inadvertently) brought up a topic for study

without a secure birth time. Which makes the objective discussion of the topic

to be questioned at best and argued at worse. All my created charts which had

USA chart there were erased when I did an update for my astro program. With

charts there I took it as it was without much thought or deciphering times.

However, since I am starting from scratch, I have had to rely on what the

consensus are for the USA natal chart. What I didn't realized until I got into

researching the USA natal chart, how much diversity there has been on its birth

time.

 

I knew yesterday that the calculations for birth time that i reported here were

not on point for an ASC that I thought I had used in the past. that being a

Scorpio ASC did seem to be off. However, Mrs Wendy brought to my attention the

time and degree of Sag. that seem to fit better. When I did further research

last evening, I realized that the ASC degree was all over the place. As often

happens when one is trying to put forth their hypothesis - including mine

without a secure time. However, what i did find, was the favoring of a Sag ASC

by most and second best was Gemini ASC. I did say last evening that I thought

Mrs. Wendy's Sag ASC fit the 8th house of collective finance (for the USA and

its business Globally) vs. having a Gemini ASC where its second house, I

believe, would represent USA's financial concern more for self.

When i took a brief look at some events for USA, the SAG Asc seem to fit more

for Global finance in trading and resource for its own people as well as for

others. Also events, did line up with a Sag Asc with it s Dashas.

 

Here is my objective. To study the USA Natal from the date of Declaration of

Independence signed.

Mine you not enacted. There are several charts for the 3 government branches at

the time that can be used, but I choose to use this one as an overall. Much like

Lahiri was established as the one to represent many ayanamshas. So, with that

thought, I am very comfortable using Mrs. Wendy's calculation for our exercise

in study the current economical effects of USA globally. God knows, the USA as

itself is marred in a controversy as to how to get the country out of its

financial crisis before anyone can address confidently how it will effect

economical issues Globally with any security. Also the country is in the middle

of voting for a new president and that will also change the effects of how

Congress and House, who really have the power to run the country, to do so. the

country is also in the middle of a war.

 

Here is an added thought on arriving at an ASC. I used +5 time zone without

(DST) but it continually comes in with a Scorpio ASC for 17:10pm. Whether I used

LMT or not. So, what I did to get a Sag ASC was to add an hour to the 17:10 and

with a +5 time zone got a Sag ASC. Ok, this is OK, accept that most charts for

USA are calculated in Tropical and not sidereal. So, it would make sense they

would use a time (17:10) that would register in Vedic 23* difference in earlier

time. I can't seem to figure this out. It doesn't add up. So, I don't know what

time was used for tropical calculations were used vs Vedic.

 

This just may show my own confusion or ignorance but at this point if I put into

my program 18:10 or more accurately Mrs. Wendy's time of 18:57:30 with a +5 time

Zone I do get a 15* Sag ASC.

 

So, lets use ASC 15* Sag for discussion for anyone interested in pursuing this

topic.

 

Uttara

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:57:59 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

Dear Mrs WEndy and Uttara Ji,

The popularly accepted version of US Chart shows saturn as ascendant with

sun,mars,venus and jupiter.

Sun as lord of 9th is the dispositor of 7th. & th lord in 8th indicates,the

atmosphere for growth and development in associations and partnership, which US

has so far practised and suggested.

In this problem however remains with rasi,the moon sign kumbha,dispositor saturn

in 6/8 axis in natal chart.This brings in controversy and brings out intentions

which lack fairness..The benific planet jupiter in neutral sign as lord of lagna

also aspects moon,that bestows opportunity for reconciliatory position to bring

name and fame to the country.

A reference in all mundane studies would be benificial to have understanding of

bhava chart too to get understanding of likely behaviour planets.The events

expected in the next six moths to go atleast upto April2009,need careful

approach in several issues.Possible 2/8 position of Rahu-Ketu(in makara) in 2nd

indicates the talk tough US is forced make on several global affairs,Public

opinion is always against for several of the moves US likely to make in near

future.That way saturn is likely to remind/say once again Politics is the game

of Dirty Men.

vrkrishan

 

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008, 1:28 AM

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it

all becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis. :)///

 

My approach to the question of (correct) US Chart was to first research

the signing of the document " Declaration of Independence " . Once I was

(fairly) confident of the most likely time frame, based on the

information available, I set about rectifying the time based on

past/present events. I cannot speak for the findings of others...only my

own.

 

I did discuss this rectified (Sagittarius) chart quite some time back but

a quick search in the archives has failed to bring it up so far? Perhaps

I can search again when I have a little more time. I should have included

my research in the notes attached to the chart (PL)...I wouldn't now be

facing the task of redoing it " -(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:27 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of

popular consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor

Gemini. Thus being one emphasis collective power of finance over a

personal USA power of country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would

definitely speak to collective finance globally in eight house from ASC

Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all

becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!! !

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Vr

i will check this out.

Uttara

 

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008 8:37:54 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

 

Dear Uttaraji,

This chart which I got from AM,Star Teller and other popular magazines is in

vogue for mundane purposes for quite some time.

Even the time was also obtained earlier as at Phildelphia and studied.Now from

the study for national purposes,the sagittarus was already analysed by many and

incase you need you can check with the website of EST or AM also

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008, 5:13 PM

 

Dear Vr,

Thanks for your previous post and the info here.

Unfortunately, I have once again (inadvertently) brought up a topic for study

without a secure birth time. Which makes the objective discussion of the topic

to be questioned at best and argued at worse. All my created charts which had

USA chart there were erased when I did an update for my astro program. With

charts there I took it as it was without much thought or deciphering times.

However, since I am starting from scratch, I have had to rely on what the

consensus are for the USA natal chart. What I didn't realized until I got into

researching the USA natal chart, how much diversity there has been on its birth

time.

 

I knew yesterday that the calculations for birth time that i reported here were

not on point for an ASC that I thought I had used in the past. that being a

Scorpio ASC did seem to be off. However, Mrs Wendy brought to my attention the

time and degree of Sag. that seem to fit better. When I did further research

last evening, I realized that the ASC degree was all over the place. As often

happens when one is trying to put forth their hypothesis - including mine

without a secure time. However, what i did find, was the favoring of a Sag ASC

by most and second best was Gemini ASC. I did say last evening that I thought

Mrs. Wendy's Sag ASC fit the 8th house of collective finance (for the USA and

its business Globally) vs. having a Gemini ASC where its second house, I

believe, would represent USA's financial concern more for self.

When i took a brief look at some events for USA, the SAG Asc seem to fit more

for Global finance in trading and resource for its own people as well as for

others. Also events, did line up with a Sag Asc with it s Dashas.

 

Here is my objective. To study the USA Natal from the date of Declaration of

Independence signed.

Mine you not enacted. There are several charts for the 3 government branches at

the time that can be used, but I choose to use this one as an overall. Much like

Lahiri was established as the one to represent many ayanamshas. So, with that

thought, I am very comfortable using Mrs. Wendy's calculation for our exercise

in study the current economical effects of USA globally. God knows, the USA as

itself is marred in a controversy as to how to get the country out of its

financial crisis before anyone can address confidently how it will effect

economical issues Globally with any security. Also the country is in the middle

of voting for a new president and that will also change the effects of how

Congress and House, who really have the power to run the country, to do so. the

country is also in the middle of a war.

 

Here is an added thought on arriving at an ASC. I used +5 time zone without

(DST) but it continually comes in with a Scorpio ASC for 17:10pm. Whether I used

LMT or not. So, what I did to get a Sag ASC was to add an hour to the 17:10 and

with a +5 time zone got a Sag ASC. Ok, this is OK, accept that most charts for

USA are calculated in Tropical and not sidereal. So, it would make sense they

would use a time (17:10) that would register in Vedic 23* difference in earlier

time. I can't seem to figure this out. It doesn't add up. So, I don't know what

time was used for tropical calculations were used vs Vedic.

 

This just may show my own confusion or ignorance but at this point if I put into

my program 18:10 or more accurately Mrs. Wendy's time of 18:57:30 with a +5 time

Zone I do get a 15* Sag ASC.

 

So, lets use ASC 15* Sag for discussion for anyone interested in pursuing this

topic.

 

Uttara

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth "

Guatama Buddha

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:57:59 AM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

Dear Mrs WEndy and Uttara Ji,

The popularly accepted version of US Chart shows saturn as ascendant with

sun,mars,venus and jupiter.

Sun as lord of 9th is the dispositor of 7th. & th lord in 8th indicates,the

atmosphere for growth and development in associations and partnership, which US

has so far practised and suggested.

In this problem however remains with rasi,the moon sign kumbha,dispositor saturn

in 6/8 axis in natal chart.This brings in controversy and brings out intentions

which lack fairness..The benific planet jupiter in neutral sign as lord of lagna

also aspects moon,that bestows opportunity for reconciliatory position to bring

name and fame to the country.

A reference in all mundane studies would be benificial to have understanding of

bhava chart too to get understanding of likely behaviour planets.The events

expected in the next six moths to go atleast upto April2009,need careful

approach in several issues.Possible 2/8 position of Rahu-Ketu(in makara) in 2nd

indicates the talk tough US is forced make on several global affairs,Public

opinion is always against for several of the moves US likely to make in near

future.That way saturn is likely to remind/say once again Politics is the game

of Dirty Men.

vrkrishan

 

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, October 2, 2008, 1:28 AM

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it

all becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis. :)///

 

My approach to the question of (correct) US Chart was to first research

the signing of the document " Declaration of Independence " . Once I was

(fairly) confident of the most likely time frame, based on the

information available, I set about rectifying the time based on

past/present events. I cannot speak for the findings of others...only my

own.

 

I did discuss this rectified (Sagittarius) chart quite some time back but

a quick search in the archives has failed to bring it up so far? Perhaps

I can search again when I have a little more time. I should have included

my research in the notes attached to the chart (PL)...I wouldn't now be

facing the task of redoing it " -(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@ >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:27 PM

Re: Global economical security in natal Charts

 

I can't. And i don't favor. the chart time is based on research of

popular consensus. That being said, those that don't favor Sag favor

Gemini. Thus being one emphasis collective power of finance over a

personal USA power of country endowment. Sun being the 8th house would

definitely speak to collective finance globally in eight house from ASC

Sag.

 

Uttara

p.s. anyone can make a ploy of passion for one ASC over another. it all

becomes subjective. However, as a student of correct information and

factual knowledge for the appropriate outcome, one needs to be open mined

in study and as you say back their hypothesis.

 

I am glad you have pointed out the discrepancy

 

Lets use your information in this discussion!! !

 

" Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the

truth " Guatama Buddha