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I wish I had a shred of interest in politics. Then maybe I could stand

reading the charts of politicians long enough to gain some

astrological knowledge from their discussion. However, I have " uttama-

dvesh " for all politicians. As I wrote once in a song:

 

" Politics, that ain't gonna solve this.

Sociologist, your plan is useless. "

 

Anyway... sigh. I wish more people were interested in 2012 Winter

Equinox - or implications of Rahu in the 2nd house. *long sign* (hahaha)

 

In all seriousness: Bless all of you who *do* care. The world needs you.

 

And since political orientations have been made known - lest the list

get's branded with a political stamp allow me to state that I detest

politics and prefer the self-governed anarchy of brahmanas. That said,

when it does come to politics I am probably further to the

" left " ( " liberal " ) than anyone else in this group.

 

However we DO need not to keep our personal biases OUT of our

readings, but to be AWARE of how they are influencing our reading and

to adjust them accordingly with a judicious mind.

 

Jai Sri Radhe.

 

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear Vic and All,

 

Politics, debates, diplomacy, analysis, scrutiny etc., all fall under the

jurisdiction of Mercury. Without doubt I have always had a keen interest

in politics...more so now, of course, during dasa of exalted 9th lord

Mercury (dispositor of lagna lord). Given the choice of watching an

" Academy Award Movie " or a " Political Debate " I'll choose the debate

every time. The upcoming debate between McCain and Obama is being

broadcast live here and I have that marked on my colander so as not to

miss it. I got extremely involved during the Australian elections some

months ago, contributing to the blogs of the candidate I was

supporting...he won BTW :-)

 

You might care to look carefully at the planetary influences in your

chart contributing to your lack of interest in politics (generally). I,

for one, would be interested in your conclusion :-)

 

PS: It's a small world we live in today and we're all affected, in some

way, (for better or worse) by World politics.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

" Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:50 AM

Politics =)

 

 

I wish I had a shred of interest in politics. Then maybe I could stand

reading the charts of politicians long enough to gain some

astrological knowledge from their discussion. However, I have " uttama-

dvesh " for all politicians. As I wrote once in a song:

 

" Politics, that ain't gonna solve this.

Sociologist, your plan is useless. "

 

Anyway... sigh. I wish more people were interested in 2012 Winter

Equinox - or implications of Rahu in the 2nd house. *long sign* (hahaha)

 

In all seriousness: Bless all of you who *do* care. The world needs you.

 

And since political orientations have been made known - lest the list

get's branded with a political stamp allow me to state that I detest

politics and prefer the self-governed anarchy of brahmanas. That said,

when it does come to politics I am probably further to the

" left " ( " liberal " ) than anyone else in this group.

 

However we DO need not to keep our personal biases OUT of our

readings, but to be AWARE of how they are influencing our reading and

to adjust them accordingly with a judicious mind.

 

Jai Sri Radhe.

 

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

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Correction...

 

///I have that marked on my colander///

 

That should, of course, read as calendar

______________________________

 

Dear Vic and All,

 

Politics, debates, diplomacy, analysis, scrutiny etc., all fall under the

jurisdiction of Mercury. Without doubt I have always had a keen interest

in politics...more so now, of course, during dasa of exalted 9th lord

Mercury (dispositor of lagna lord). Given the choice of watching an

" Academy Award Movie " or a " Political Debate " I'll choose the debate

every time. The upcoming debate between McCain and Obama is being

broadcast live here and I have that marked on my colander so as not to

miss it. I got extremely involved during the Australian elections some

months ago, contributing to the blogs of the candidate I was

supporting...he won BTW :-)

 

You might care to look carefully at the planetary influences in your

chart contributing to your lack of interest in politics (generally). I,

for one, would be interested in your conclusion :-)

 

PS: It's a small world we live in today and we're all affected, in some

way, (for better or worse) by World politics.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

" Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:50 AM

Politics =)

 

 

I wish I had a shred of interest in politics. Then maybe I could stand

reading the charts of politicians long enough to gain some

astrological knowledge from their discussion. However, I have " uttama-

dvesh " for all politicians. As I wrote once in a song:

 

" Politics, that ain't gonna solve this.

Sociologist, your plan is useless. "

 

Anyway... sigh. I wish more people were interested in 2012 Winter

Equinox - or implications of Rahu in the 2nd house. *long sign* (hahaha)

 

In all seriousness: Bless all of you who *do* care. The world needs you.

 

And since political orientations have been made known - lest the list

get's branded with a political stamp allow me to state that I detest

politics and prefer the self-governed anarchy of brahmanas. That said,

when it does come to politics I am probably further to the

" left " ( " liberal " ) than anyone else in this group.

 

However we DO need not to keep our personal biases OUT of our

readings, but to be AWARE of how they are influencing our reading and

to adjust them accordingly with a judicious mind.

 

Jai Sri Radhe.

 

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

You wrote:

 

> You might care to look carefully at the planetary influences in your

> chart contributing to your lack of interest in politics (generally).

> I,

> for one, would be interested in your conclusion :-)

 

SURE! Let's talk about MEEEEEEEEEE! =)

 

You assigned political importance to Mercury. I agree with the

*sector* of politics that you assign him to: Debate & diplomacy - both

of which are in fact QUITE interesting to me.

 

The fact that you ascribe politics to Mercury alone shows your

individual slant on politics is more intellectual than most.

 

I consider the Sun and Mars to be more blatantly political. This fact

shows that when I say " politics " I am talking less about debate and

diplomacy and more about law, governance, and conquest.

 

My Sun and Mars are together within 6 degrees (i think) in Cancer,

which is my 7th house. Of course from here they influence the ascendant.

 

The combustion of mars ruins the external significations and lordships

of mars (siblings, competition and warfare, and his houses: emotions

and home (4), and friendships and ease(11)), but bring brilliance to

his inner meanings - internal energy and drive. My sun absorbs these

qualities and amplifies them. Thus I have tremendous personal

capacities in a leadership position and am very unsuited towards any

servile role. I cannot remain in the background or in 2nd place.

 

This frustrates me in sports and in male fighting - because I almost

never win (due to mars combustion).

 

If I sit down to hear a lecture on a topic I am familiar with, the

teach will either be admonished by me or warmly congratulated. I

cannot stand to sit in an audience and be forced to listen to someone

with less understanding than me pontificate. Urg... just describing it

makes my fists clench!

 

Now... this is EXACTLY why I detest politics even though I love debate

and diplomacy (although my diplomatic skills are minimal.. viz Ketu

conjunct Mercury), and even though I am a natural born leader. It is

not " even though " , it is " because " ! Because I am a natural born leader

with Jupiter in the 10th House, I cannot stand to hear hollow speech

after hollow speech of ineffectual people who will actually do next to

NOTHING that they talk about - regardless of whatever they talk about

- both because they are personally weakhearted and also because the

system does not allow even the strong-hearted to prevail. Because I so

love debate the lack of skill these people show in their televised

debates repulses me. Also their transparency is disgusting.

 

I actually liked Clinton quite a bit. She was more opaque than most. I

have some respect for how Obama deals with people who protest him at

his speeches. And on that basis I am hopeful for him. I always liked

McCain as the " lesser of evils " of a party I consider hellish.

 

I consider the Republican party hellish because Jupiter is in my 10th

House. Therefore I favor the Democratic party because at least

theoretically they support government welfare type programs over

expenditure in military and war. Due to my combust mercury I viciously

detest warfare and therefore the Republicans who so embrace it hold no

sway in my allegiance.

 

Now, I love myself an aweful lot too, and am very lenient... this can

be seen from my double ascendant (Capricorn in both the natal chart

and the navamsha), as well as, ironically, my lagnesh's debilitation

in the 4th house. As well as the several aspects to my first house...

So, my analysis of the planetary contributions towards my political

attitudes is naturally one that is quite rosy and paints a heroic and

saintly picture of me. I'm sure there are other ways to analyze which

you are encouraged to point out, if you agree!

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear Vic,

 

///I consider the Sun and Mars to be more blatantly political. This fact

shows that when I say " politics " I am talking less about debate and

diplomacy and more about law, governance, and conquest.///

 

Indeed you're correct! Sun shows the administrative head (ruling

power/government), and, without doubt, Mars supports leadership in all

pursuits through force of character, courage and ambition - qualities

necessary to succeed in the face of opposition. However, politics per se,

consist (for the main part) in diplomacy, endless debates and

compromises...unless of course we're governed by a dictatorship where

autocracy replaces political democracy. Without diplomacy/compromise

government would never be able to implement its policies...is this not

so?

 

///Due to my combust mercury I viciously detest warfare and therefore the

Republicans who so embrace it hold no sway in my allegiance.///

 

A typo? I'm sure you meant to say 'combust Mars' :-)

 

Certainly, I too look forward to a day when Wars are no longer necessary.

However, the reality is that Wars are fought and Mars is the

instigator...commander in chief! Arjuna too was repulsed by the thought

of war...having no enthusiasm whatsoever to engage in the battle he was

called to participate in. On the whole wars are usually fought as a last

resort after lengthy negotiations have failed to bring a resolution to

the conflict. I would see this as an indication of the strength of Mars

over Mercury.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:38 AM

Re: Politics =)

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

You wrote:

 

> You might care to look carefully at the planetary influences in your

> chart contributing to your lack of interest in politics (generally).

> I,

> for one, would be interested in your conclusion :-)

 

SURE! Let's talk about MEEEEEEEEEE! =)

 

You assigned political importance to Mercury. I agree with the

*sector* of politics that you assign him to: Debate & diplomacy - both

of which are in fact QUITE interesting to me.

 

The fact that you ascribe politics to Mercury alone shows your

individual slant on politics is more intellectual than most.

 

I consider the Sun and Mars to be more blatantly political. This fact

shows that when I say " politics " I am talking less about debate and

diplomacy and more about law, governance, and conquest.

 

My Sun and Mars are together within 6 degrees (i think) in Cancer,

which is my 7th house. Of course from here they influence the ascendant.

 

The combustion of mars ruins the external significations and lordships

of mars (siblings, competition and warfare, and his houses: emotions

and home (4), and friendships and ease(11)), but bring brilliance to

his inner meanings - internal energy and drive. My sun absorbs these

qualities and amplifies them. Thus I have tremendous personal

capacities in a leadership position and am very unsuited towards any

servile role. I cannot remain in the background or in 2nd place.

 

This frustrates me in sports and in male fighting - because I almost

never win (due to mars combustion).

 

If I sit down to hear a lecture on a topic I am familiar with, the

teach will either be admonished by me or warmly congratulated. I

cannot stand to sit in an audience and be forced to listen to someone

with less understanding than me pontificate. Urg... just describing it

makes my fists clench!

 

Now... this is EXACTLY why I detest politics even though I love debate

and diplomacy (although my diplomatic skills are minimal.. viz Ketu

conjunct Mercury), and even though I am a natural born leader. It is

not " even though " , it is " because " ! Because I am a natural born leader

with Jupiter in the 10th House, I cannot stand to hear hollow speech

after hollow speech of ineffectual people who will actually do next to

NOTHING that they talk about - regardless of whatever they talk about

- both because they are personally weakhearted and also because the

system does not allow even the strong-hearted to prevail. Because I so

love debate the lack of skill these people show in their televised

debates repulses me. Also their transparency is disgusting.

 

I actually liked Clinton quite a bit. She was more opaque than most. I

have some respect for how Obama deals with people who protest him at

his speeches. And on that basis I am hopeful for him. I always liked

McCain as the " lesser of evils " of a party I consider hellish.

 

I consider the Republican party hellish because Jupiter is in my 10th

House. Therefore I favor the Democratic party because at least

theoretically they support government welfare type programs over

expenditure in military and war. Due to my combust mercury I viciously

detest warfare and therefore the Republicans who so embrace it hold no

sway in my allegiance.

 

Now, I love myself an aweful lot too, and am very lenient... this can

be seen from my double ascendant (Capricorn in both the natal chart

and the navamsha), as well as, ironically, my lagnesh's debilitation

in the 4th house. As well as the several aspects to my first house...

So, my analysis of the planetary contributions towards my political

attitudes is naturally one that is quite rosy and paints a heroic and

saintly picture of me. I'm sure there are other ways to analyze which

you are encouraged to point out, if you agree!

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear Vic,

 

///Anyway... sigh. I wish more people were interested in 2012 Winter

Equinox - or implications of Rahu in the 2nd house. *long sigh*

(hahaha)///

 

Regarding Rahu in 2nd indicating vegetarianism. We know that Rahu,

influenced by conjunction, shows his effect through his dispositor. In

your chart, 2nd lord, aspected by divine planet Jupiter (karaka for 2nd)

who occupies 10th house (9th from 2nd).

 

In the chart of Savithri's brother, Rahu, conjunct Saturn, is disposited

by Mars who occupies 6th etc..

 

What we can say about Rahu (in any house) is that he emphasises the

significations of that house (i.e. the choice in regards to partaking of

food is compelling...whatever that choice might be)...

 

Others might be able to phrase this better than I have...excuse my mental

fogginess at the moment.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

" Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:50 AM

Politics =)

 

 

I wish I had a shred of interest in politics. Then maybe I could stand

reading the charts of politicians long enough to gain some

astrological knowledge from their discussion. However, I have " uttama-

dvesh " for all politicians. As I wrote once in a song:

 

" Politics, that ain't gonna solve this.

Sociologist, your plan is useless. "

 

Anyway... sigh. I wish more people were interested in 2012 Winter

Equinox - or implications of Rahu in the 2nd house. *long sign* (hahaha)

 

In all seriousness: Bless all of you who *do* care. The world needs you.

 

And since political orientations have been made known - lest the list

get's branded with a political stamp allow me to state that I detest

politics and prefer the self-governed anarchy of brahmanas. That said,

when it does come to politics I am probably further to the

" left " ( " liberal " ) than anyone else in this group.

 

However we DO need not to keep our personal biases OUT of our

readings, but to be AWARE of how they are influencing our reading and

to adjust them accordingly with a judicious mind.

 

Jai Sri Radhe.

 

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear Viji,

 

Read carefully, what Mrs. Wendy wrote regarding Rahu in 2nd vis-a-vis

food habits. Now once again examine the chart of Dr. B.V. Raman, you

would understand why he was so strict in his food habits and why he

lived only on vegetables and fruits when he visited US and other

countries.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

> Indeed you're correct! Sun shows the administrative head (ruling

> power/government), and, without doubt, Mars supports leadership in all

> pursuits through force of character, courage and ambition - qualities

> necessary to succeed in the face of opposition. However, politics

> per se,

> consist (for the main part) in diplomacy, endless debates and

> compromises...unless of course we're governed by a dictatorship where

> autocracy replaces political democracy. Without diplomacy/compromise

> government would never be able to implement its policies...is this not

> so?

 

Great point! Sun and Mars are more " classically " political which by

and large were monarchies, and Mercury is more representative of

democracy and modern political procedures.

 

> ///Due to my combust mercury I viciously detest warfare and

> therefore the

> Republicans who so embrace it hold no sway in my allegiance.///

>

> A typo? I'm sure you meant to say 'combust Mars' :-)

 

Debilitated Air at my heart (saturn in aries in the 4th house)... thus

I ALWAYS ALWAYS think faster than I can act and am careless to be sure

that what comes out into the physical world matches what transpired

25nanoseconds ago in my mental world!

 

 

> Certainly, I too look forward to a day when Wars are no longer

> necessary.

> However, the reality is that Wars are fought and Mars is the

> instigator...commander in chief! Arjuna too was repulsed by the

> thought

> of war...having no enthusiasm whatsoever to engage in the battle he

> was

> called to participate in. On the whole wars are usually fought as a

> last

> resort after lengthy negotiations have failed to bring a resolution to

> the conflict. I would see this as an indication of the strength of

> Mars

> over Mercury.

 

Since Mars is an eternal being, I doubt that day would ever come. One

of my favorite bands, the Cro-Mags (A Hare Krishna Punk-Metal Band),

sing: " world peace can't be done, and anarchy is a mess! "

 

The thing in my chart is Jupiter at the top of the sky, in the 10th

House, while Mars is combust and setting, already invisible, with the

sun. Therefore I am more a socialist. Mercury is in the 8th conjunct

Ketu, captialism is not interesting or to me, nor is trade and money-

making.

 

Therefore my personal political style is one that favors philosophers

and brahmanas (jupiter), not Kshatriyas (mars) - or at leaset (and i

say at least because I feel that they are ALL " Sheisters " as my

grandma says, shady characters) I favor those who direct tax money

towards public welfare over those who direct money towards military.

 

However, in the Satya Yuga - towards which we are now striving in a

new way - there will be FOUR styles of government co-operatively

blended together:

 

* Anarchy in the self-ruled philosophers who guide the rest of the

society and life without material opulence. (Jupiter & Venus)

 

* Monarchy in the administrators who mainly protect the people with

military and who apportion taxes. (Mars, Sun)

 

* Capitalism / Democracy in the farmers and traders who operate under

the protection of the the monarchs (Mercury)

 

* Communism in the workers who work under the protection of the

farmers and traders (Saturn)

 

Of course there are the outcastes and those who infact reinvent and

improve society still further: Rahu who causes revolution and change

from old to new will be very important in this ascending cycle of

yugas. Ketu who cases impulsive spirituality. And the Moon - who is

the benefic nurturing archetype of all, the ultimate role-model for

all classes and people.

 

Rambling thoughts, sorry!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:38 AM

> Re: Politics =)

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> You wrote:

>

>> You might care to look carefully at the planetary influences in your

>> chart contributing to your lack of interest in politics (generally).

>> I,

>> for one, would be interested in your conclusion :-)

>

> SURE! Let's talk about MEEEEEEEEEE! =)

>

> You assigned political importance to Mercury. I agree with the

> *sector* of politics that you assign him to: Debate & diplomacy - both

> of which are in fact QUITE interesting to me.

>

> The fact that you ascribe politics to Mercury alone shows your

> individual slant on politics is more intellectual than most.

>

> I consider the Sun and Mars to be more blatantly political. This fact

> shows that when I say " politics " I am talking less about debate and

> diplomacy and more about law, governance, and conquest.

>

> My Sun and Mars are together within 6 degrees (i think) in Cancer,

> which is my 7th house. Of course from here they influence the

> ascendant.

>

> The combustion of mars ruins the external significations and lordships

> of mars (siblings, competition and warfare, and his houses: emotions

> and home (4), and friendships and ease(11)), but bring brilliance to

> his inner meanings - internal energy and drive. My sun absorbs these

> qualities and amplifies them. Thus I have tremendous personal

> capacities in a leadership position and am very unsuited towards any

> servile role. I cannot remain in the background or in 2nd place.

>

> This frustrates me in sports and in male fighting - because I almost

> never win (due to mars combustion).

>

> If I sit down to hear a lecture on a topic I am familiar with, the

> teach will either be admonished by me or warmly congratulated. I

> cannot stand to sit in an audience and be forced to listen to someone

> with less understanding than me pontificate. Urg... just describing it

> makes my fists clench!

>

> Now... this is EXACTLY why I detest politics even though I love debate

> and diplomacy (although my diplomatic skills are minimal.. viz Ketu

> conjunct Mercury), and even though I am a natural born leader. It is

> not " even though " , it is " because " ! Because I am a natural born leader

> with Jupiter in the 10th House, I cannot stand to hear hollow speech

> after hollow speech of ineffectual people who will actually do next to

> NOTHING that they talk about - regardless of whatever they talk about

> - both because they are personally weakhearted and also because the

> system does not allow even the strong-hearted to prevail. Because I so

> love debate the lack of skill these people show in their televised

> debates repulses me. Also their transparency is disgusting.

>

> I actually liked Clinton quite a bit. She was more opaque than most. I

> have some respect for how Obama deals with people who protest him at

> his speeches. And on that basis I am hopeful for him. I always liked

> McCain as the " lesser of evils " of a party I consider hellish.

>

> I consider the Republican party hellish because Jupiter is in my 10th

> House. Therefore I favor the Democratic party because at least

> theoretically they support government welfare type programs over

> expenditure in military and war. Due to my combust mercury I viciously

> detest warfare and therefore the Republicans who so embrace it hold no

> sway in my allegiance.

>

> Now, I love myself an aweful lot too, and am very lenient... this can

> be seen from my double ascendant (Capricorn in both the natal chart

> and the navamsha), as well as, ironically, my lagnesh's debilitation

> in the 4th house. As well as the several aspects to my first house...

> So, my analysis of the planetary contributions towards my political

> attitudes is naturally one that is quite rosy and paints a heroic and

> saintly picture of me. I'm sure there are other ways to analyze which

> you are encouraged to point out, if you agree!

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicastrologer.net

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Dear Ravindramani Ji,

 

Do you have the birth data handy for B.V. Raman?

 

Thanks!

Vic

 

 

On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:26 AM, ravindramani wrote:

 

> Dear Viji,

>

> Read carefully, what Mrs. Wendy wrote regarding Rahu in 2nd vis-a-vis

> food habits. Now once again examine the chart of Dr. B.V. Raman, you

> would understand why he was so strict in his food habits and why he

> lived only on vegetables and fruits when he visited US and other

> countries.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Dear Vic,

 

Here is the birth data for Shri BV Raman. from JH 7.0

 

August 8 1912

19:38 Indian standard time

Birth place : Bangalore

77 E 35

12 N 59

 

which happens to be my home town as well :)

 

 

Regards,

Jai

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:46:24 PM

Re: Re: Politics =)

 

 

Dear Ravindramani Ji,

 

Do you have the birth data handy for B.V. Raman?

 

Thanks!

Vic

 

On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:26 AM, ravindramani wrote:

 

> Dear Viji,

>

> Read carefully, what Mrs. Wendy wrote regarding Rahu in 2nd vis-a-vis

> food habits. Now once again examine the chart of Dr. B.V. Raman, you

> would understand why he was so strict in his food habits and why he

> lived only on vegetables and fruits when he visited US and other

> countries.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

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Dear Vic,

 

///Great point! Sun and Mars are more " classically " political which by

and large were monarchies, and Mercury is more representative of

democracy and modern political procedures.///

 

Perhaps we should define 'politics' (Mercury) as opposed to 'ruling

power' (Sun).

 

Politics can be seen all around us, wherever there are a group of people

interacting, politics invariably come into play. In the workplace, in

discussion groups etc.. Wherever a group of people engage we find certain

views put forth with some supporting one view or the other. I'm sure

you've heard the phrase; 'Office Politics' :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:41 AM

Re: Politics =)

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

> Indeed you're correct! Sun shows the administrative head (ruling

> power/government), and, without doubt, Mars supports leadership in all

> pursuits through force of character, courage and ambition - qualities

> necessary to succeed in the face of opposition. However, politics

> per se,

> consist (for the main part) in diplomacy, endless debates and

> compromises...unless of course we're governed by a dictatorship where

> autocracy replaces political democracy. Without diplomacy/compromise

> government would never be able to implement its policies...is this not

> so?

 

Great point! Sun and Mars are more " classically " political which by

and large were monarchies, and Mercury is more representative of

democracy and modern political procedures.

 

> ///Due to my combust mercury I viciously detest warfare and

> therefore the

> Republicans who so embrace it hold no sway in my allegiance.///

>

> A typo? I'm sure you meant to say 'combust Mars' :-)

 

Debilitated Air at my heart (saturn in aries in the 4th house)... thus

I ALWAYS ALWAYS think faster than I can act and am careless to be sure

that what comes out into the physical world matches what transpired

25nanoseconds ago in my mental world!

 

 

> Certainly, I too look forward to a day when Wars are no longer

> necessary.

> However, the reality is that Wars are fought and Mars is the

> instigator...commander in chief! Arjuna too was repulsed by the

> thought

> of war...having no enthusiasm whatsoever to engage in the battle he

> was

> called to participate in. On the whole wars are usually fought as a

> last

> resort after lengthy negotiations have failed to bring a resolution to

> the conflict. I would see this as an indication of the strength of

> Mars

> over Mercury.

 

Since Mars is an eternal being, I doubt that day would ever come. One

of my favorite bands, the Cro-Mags (A Hare Krishna Punk-Metal Band),

sing: " world peace can't be done, and anarchy is a mess! "

 

The thing in my chart is Jupiter at the top of the sky, in the 10th

House, while Mars is combust and setting, already invisible, with the

sun. Therefore I am more a socialist. Mercury is in the 8th conjunct

Ketu, captialism is not interesting or to me, nor is trade and money-

making.

 

Therefore my personal political style is one that favors philosophers

and brahmanas (jupiter), not Kshatriyas (mars) - or at leaset (and i

say at least because I feel that they are ALL " Sheisters " as my

grandma says, shady characters) I favor those who direct tax money

towards public welfare over those who direct money towards military.

 

However, in the Satya Yuga - towards which we are now striving in a

new way - there will be FOUR styles of government co-operatively

blended together:

 

* Anarchy in the self-ruled philosophers who guide the rest of the

society and life without material opulence. (Jupiter & Venus)

 

* Monarchy in the administrators who mainly protect the people with

military and who apportion taxes. (Mars, Sun)

 

* Capitalism / Democracy in the farmers and traders who operate under

the protection of the the monarchs (Mercury)

 

* Communism in the workers who work under the protection of the

farmers and traders (Saturn)

 

Of course there are the outcastes and those who infact reinvent and

improve society still further: Rahu who causes revolution and change

from old to new will be very important in this ascending cycle of

yugas. Ketu who cases impulsive spirituality. And the Moon - who is

the benefic nurturing archetype of all, the ultimate role-model for

all classes and people.

 

Rambling thoughts, sorry!

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Dear Members,

It is through one can try to become wise and also some lement of spice.Grateful

to the planets that makes the life complete.But the are we trying to keep rahu

away from the political aspects.Rahu provides camafloge to all attempts and give

political hues.

In fact,Mars as warrior,sun as king and mercury as corporal and saturn as the

warrior all are backed up by some strategy.This collective effort is politicsA

good deviation from routine study of charts.

vrkirshnan

 

--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

Re: Politics =)

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, September 25, 2008, 2:01 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vic,

 

///Great point! Sun and Mars are more " classically " political which by

and large were monarchies, and Mercury is more representative of

democracy and modern political procedures./ //

 

Perhaps we should define 'politics' (Mercury) as opposed to 'ruling

power' (Sun).

 

Politics can be seen all around us, wherever there are a group of people

interacting, politics invariably come into play. In the workplace, in

discussion groups etc.. Wherever a group of people engage we find certain

views put forth with some supporting one view or the other. I'm sure

you've heard the phrase; 'Office Politics' :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:41 AM

Re: Politics =)

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

> Indeed you're correct! Sun shows the administrative head (ruling

> power/government) , and, without doubt, Mars supports leadership in all

> pursuits through force of character, courage and ambition - qualities

> necessary to succeed in the face of opposition. However, politics

> per se,

> consist (for the main part) in diplomacy, endless debates and

> compromises. ..unless of course we're governed by a dictatorship where

> autocracy replaces political democracy. Without diplomacy/compromis e

> government would never be able to implement its policies...is this not

> so?

 

Great point! Sun and Mars are more " classically " political which by

and large were monarchies, and Mercury is more representative of

democracy and modern political procedures.

 

> ///Due to my combust mercury I viciously detest warfare and

> therefore the

> Republicans who so embrace it hold no sway in my allegiance./ //

>

> A typo? I'm sure you meant to say 'combust Mars' :-)

 

Debilitated Air at my heart (saturn in aries in the 4th house)... thus

I ALWAYS ALWAYS think faster than I can act and am careless to be sure

that what comes out into the physical world matches what transpired

25nanoseconds ago in my mental world!

 

> Certainly, I too look forward to a day when Wars are no longer

> necessary.

> However, the reality is that Wars are fought and Mars is the

> instigator.. .commander in chief! Arjuna too was repulsed by the

> thought

> of war...having no enthusiasm whatsoever to engage in the battle he

> was

> called to participate in. On the whole wars are usually fought as a

> last

> resort after lengthy negotiations have failed to bring a resolution to

> the conflict. I would see this as an indication of the strength of

> Mars

> over Mercury.

 

Since Mars is an eternal being, I doubt that day would ever come. One

of my favorite bands, the Cro-Mags (A Hare Krishna Punk-Metal Band),

sing: " world peace can't be done, and anarchy is a mess! "

 

The thing in my chart is Jupiter at the top of the sky, in the 10th

House, while Mars is combust and setting, already invisible, with the

sun. Therefore I am more a socialist. Mercury is in the 8th conjunct

Ketu, captialism is not interesting or to me, nor is trade and money-

making.

 

Therefore my personal political style is one that favors philosophers

and brahmanas (jupiter), not Kshatriyas (mars) - or at leaset (and i

say at least because I feel that they are ALL " Sheisters " as my

grandma says, shady characters) I favor those who direct tax money

towards public welfare over those who direct money towards military.

 

However, in the Satya Yuga - towards which we are now striving in a

new way - there will be FOUR styles of government co-operatively

blended together:

 

* Anarchy in the self-ruled philosophers who guide the rest of the

society and life without material opulence. (Jupiter & Venus)

 

* Monarchy in the administrators who mainly protect the people with

military and who apportion taxes. (Mars, Sun)

 

* Capitalism / Democracy in the farmers and traders who operate under

the protection of the the monarchs (Mercury)

 

* Communism in the workers who work under the protection of the

farmers and traders (Saturn)

 

Of course there are the outcastes and those who infact reinvent and

improve society still further: Rahu who causes revolution and change

from old to new will be very important in this ascending cycle of

yugas. Ketu who cases impulsive spirituality. And the Moon - who is

the benefic nurturing archetype of all, the ultimate role-model for

all classes and people.

 

Rambling thoughts, sorry!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Vic Ji,

 

I have the following data for Dr. B.V. Raman.

 

Dr. B.V. Raman

DOB :8th August 1912 A.D.

TOB: 7hours 42minutes 44 seconds PM (IST)

POB: Bangalore

 

 

Source:

 

Dr. B.V. Raman wrote in his book entitled My Experiences in Astrology,

 

Quote,

 

" I was born on 8-8-1912 A.D. at Bangalore at 7hours 42 minutes 44

seconds P.M. (IST) "

 

Qoute ends.

 

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

=================================================================

 

Dear Ravindramani Ji,

 

Do you have the birth data handy for B.V. Raman?

 

Thanks!

Vic

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Thank you, Ravindramani.

 

On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:09 AM, ravindramani wrote:

 

> Dear Vic Ji,

>

> I have the following data for Dr. B.V. Raman.

>

> Dr. B.V. Raman

> DOB :8th August 1912 A.D.

> TOB: 7hours 42minutes 44 seconds PM (IST)

> POB: Bangalore

>

>

> Source:

>

> Dr. B.V. Raman wrote in his book entitled My Experiences in Astrology,

>

> Quote,

>

> " I was born on 8-8-1912 A.D. at Bangalore at 7hours 42 minutes 44

> seconds P.M. (IST) "

>

> Qoute ends.

>

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> =================================================================

>

> Dear Ravindramani Ji,

>

> Do you have the birth data handy for B.V. Raman?

>

> Thanks!

> Vic

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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