sarah palin

September 11, 2008

I saw on an astrology website that someone posted a time of birth for Palin as

4:40 PM---has anyone else seen this information?

Thanks,

Linda

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow,

life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:23 AM

Re: DNA and the 9 Grahas

Dear Krishna,

You'll find the link on the " J.V. Articles " page :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:55 PM

Re: DNA and the 9 Grahas

Looks like I have not paid much attention to this book, in your

recommended list. But, I did not notice any link for cosmic.htm from the

main page.

Regards,

Krishna

September 17, 2008

Hi Linda and All,Sorry for the delay in reply. Yes, you are correct, the 4:40pm time is a very strong contender favored by many after the Noon time.Also Jude Crowell came out with a time she swears by that was given to her by a friend or associate of Gov.Palin's stating a 7:06:26 PST time. It seems that all the other speculations have gone by the way side other than Narasimha's Virgo rising time.I believe most Vedic astrologers have stopped trying to guess after Narasimha's take on the whole subject since he has in the past been successful more times than not in his predictions and rectifications of charts.So too, as we know it is always a shot in the dark of reality if we don't have a birth time and too, it often becomes an exercise in defeat with

a lot of subjective proclivities.However that being said, I am not convinced at all with a 4:40pm time or Noon time. They just don't make any sense to me. Do any of them make sense to you or other members here?However, the 07:06:26 PST time is a strong contender with its Cap lagna at 28* to my Aries Asc. between 09:08:11PST (Ju Ve Ve Su - 9/18 - 11/05) and 09:36:37PST (Ju Ve Ve Su - 10/29 - 12/15). I have been favoring this lagna more than any other from the beginning especially sense the Lagna nakshatra would fall into Ashwini in its first phase and also keep the moon star in Uttara Ashadha and Mars in Cap with Sun.I can explain in detail with each house how it all falls into place if one were to only rely on house and planet significator in the Rasi and Navamsha with aspects and star rulers, if character analysis was the prime foundation of a chart. Which it is not in reality. What I haven't

completed is lining up her life events with the Dasas between 09:08:11 and 09:36:37 to give a complete and accurate analysis.Maybe you and others might be interested in working in this time frame to see if it makes any sense to you. In the meantime, I am still working on the chart as i continue to follow Sarah Palin in her speeches and public audiences to pick up on more precise characterizations along with Dasas.If nothing else, i do feel strongly that Rahu in Gemini must be either a 3rd hse, 6th hse or 10th hse placement.With all the guessing, it sure will be interesting to see if any ones guessing and delineations are accurate in the future.I look forward to keeping up on this if for not any more than a great study chart in exercise.Hope others feel the same.UttaraLinda Callanan <annaicenterjyotish-vidya Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:51:25 AMRe: sarah palin I saw on an astrology website that someone posted a time of birth for Palin as 4:40 PM---has anyone else seen this information? Thanks, Linda "Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple." Ramesh S. Balsehar - Wendy

Vasicek jyotish-vidya Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:23 AM Re: DNA and the 9 Grahas Dear Krishna, You'll find the link on the "J.V. Articles" page :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ _________ _______ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998@ > <jyotish-vidya@ .

com> Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:55 PM Re: DNA and the 9 Grahas Looks like I have not paid much attention to this book, in your recommended list. But, I did not notice any link for cosmic.htm from the main page. Regards, Krishna

September 18, 2008

Hello Uttara,

No they do not make sense.

The Virgo ascendant does not make sense either. 8L Mars is extremely

weak and afflicted as well as being combust. There would be a longevity

issue and she may not have made it to this age.

When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is best to

start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available biographical

data.

I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is balancing the

weakness of combust Mars.

Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this.

Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it immensely.

Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive abilities and 10L

Moon is well placed giving her public prominence.

I am still working on the degree.

Ron

Uttara wrote:

> Hi Linda and All,

>

> Sorry for the delay in reply.

>

> Yes, you are correct, the 4:40pm time is a very strong contender favored by

many after the Noon time.

> Also Jude Crowell came out with a time she swears by that was given to her by

a friend or associate of Gov.Palin's stating a 7:06:26 PST time. It seems that

all the other speculations have gone by the way side other than Narasimha's

Virgo rising time.

>

> I believe most Vedic astrologers have stopped trying to guess after

Narasimha's take on the whole subject since he has in the past been successful

more times than not in his predictions and rectifications of charts.

>

> So too, as we know it is always a shot in the dark of reality if we don't have

a birth time and too, it often becomes an exercise in defeat with a lot of

subjective proclivities.

>

> However that being said, I am not convinced at all with a 4:40pm time or Noon

time. They just don't make any sense to me. Do any of them make sense to you or

other members here?

>

> However, the 07:06:26 PST time is a strong contender with its Cap lagna at 28*

to my Aries Asc. between 09:08:11PST (Ju Ve Ve Su - 9/18 - 11/05) and

09:36:37PST (Ju Ve Ve Su - 10/29 - 12/15).

> I have been favoring this lagna more than any other from the beginning

especially sense the Lagna nakshatra would fall into Ashwini in its first phase

and also keep the moon star in Uttara Ashadha and Mars in Cap with Sun.

> I can explain in detail with each house how it all falls into place if one

were to only rely on house and planet significator in the Rasi and Navamsha with

aspects and star rulers, if character analysis was the prime foundation of a

chart. Which it is not in reality. What I haven't completed is lining up her

life events with the Dasas between 09:08:11 and 09:36:37 to give a complete and

accurate analysis.

>

> Maybe you and others might be interested in working in this time frame to see

if it makes any sense to you. In the meantime, I am still working on the chart

as i continue to follow Sarah Palin in her speeches and public audiences to pick

up on more precise characterizations along with Dasas.

>

> If nothing else, i do feel strongly that Rahu in Gemini must be either a 3rd

hse, 6th hse or 10th hse placement.

>

> With all the guessing, it sure will be interesting to see if any ones guessing

and delineations are accurate in the future.

>

> I look forward to keeping up on this if for not any more than a great study

chart in exercise.

> Hope others feel the same.

>

> Uttara

>

> Linda Callanan <annaicenter

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:51:25 AM

> Re: sarah palin

>

> I saw on an astrology website that someone posted a time of birth for Palin as

4:40 PM---has anyone else seen this information?

>

> Thanks,

> Linda

>

> " Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow,

life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

> -

> Wendy Vasicek

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:23 AM

> Re: DNA and the 9 Grahas

>

> Dear Krishna,

>

> You'll find the link on the " J.V. Articles " page :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya .com

> ____________ _________ _________ _______

>

> -

> " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998@ >

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:55 PM

> Re: DNA and the 9 Grahas

>

> Looks like I have not paid much attention to this book, in your

> recommended list. But, I did not notice any link for cosmic.htm from the

> main page.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

September 19, 2008

Hi Ron,

Without confirmation of the birth time we are often left w/out the concrete proof we would like.

While I can see the Libra rising I would think that having three planets in the 4th house of home doesn't quite explain her public ambition nor her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has. Also, with Gemini ruling the night house which contains Rahu I would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking. The second house is ruled by Mars and while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile and charm plus with the Saturn/Mars conjunction I would think she would not be as attractive as she it....also Jupiter is placed in the sixth house and even though it is in it's own sign I'm not sure that Jupiter as dasa ruler would bring her the fame she has now.

The 16:30 birth time gives her a Cancer rising and her body type looks Cancerian to me and her mode of expression and face/hair (2nd house) appear Leo-like. Her dasa system gives brings to life the positive Jupiter/Venus conjunction coming from the fortunate 9th house....while transit Rahu is now on the seventh house....her sudden rise fits easily into this sequence. The ruler of the 5th is in the 8th---she has a disabled child as well as the teen daughter being pregnant---Rahu just left the eight house by transit---she appears to have experienced some problems from transit Rahu on Mars....finally, Venus/Jupiter in the ninth in the sign of Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity and never had the need to look into other philosophies...such a conjunction in the shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief in her religion.

Anyway, just some thoughts on her chart.

Namaste,

Linda

"Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple." Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

RonDay

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:03 AM

Re: sarah palin

Hello Uttara,No they do not make sense.The Virgo ascendant does not make sense either. 8L Mars is extremely weak and afflicted as well as being combust. There would be a longevity issue and she may not have made it to this age.When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is best to start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available biographical data.I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is balancing the weakness of combust Mars.Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this.Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it immensely.Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive abilities and 10L Moon is well placed giving her public prominence.I am still working on the degree.RonUttara wrote:> Hi Linda and All,> > Sorry for the delay in reply. > > Yes, you are correct, the 4:40pm time is a very strong contender favored by many after the Noon time.> Also Jude Crowell came out with a time she swears by that was given to her by a friend or associate of Gov.Palin's stating a 7:06:26 PST time. It seems that all the other speculations have gone by the way side other than Narasimha's Virgo rising time.> > I believe most Vedic astrologers have stopped trying to guess after Narasimha's take on the whole subject since he has in the past been successful more times than not in his predictions and rectifications of charts.> > So too, as we know it is always a shot in the dark of reality if we don't have a birth time and too, it often becomes an exercise in defeat with a lot of subjective proclivities.> > However that being said, I am not convinced at all with a 4:40pm time or Noon time. They just don't make any sense to me. Do any of them make sense to you or other members here?> > However, the 07:06:26 PST time is a strong contender with its Cap lagna at 28* to my Aries Asc. between 09:08:11PST (Ju Ve Ve Su - 9/18 - 11/05) and 09:36:37PST (Ju Ve Ve Su - 10/29 - 12/15). > I have been favoring this lagna more than any other from the beginning especially sense the Lagna nakshatra would fall into Ashwini in its first phase and also keep the moon star in Uttara Ashadha and Mars in Cap with Sun.> I can explain in detail with each house how it all falls into place if one were to only rely on house and planet significator in the Rasi and Navamsha with aspects and star rulers, if character analysis was the prime foundation of a chart. Which it is not in reality. What I haven't completed is lining up her life events with the Dasas between 09:08:11 and 09:36:37 to give a complete and accurate analysis.> > Maybe you and others might be interested in working in this time frame to see if it makes any sense to you. In the meantime, I am still working on the chart as i continue to follow Sarah Palin in her speeches and public audiences to pick up on more precise characterizations along with Dasas.> > If nothing else, i do feel strongly that Rahu in Gemini must be either a 3rd hse, 6th hse or 10th hse placement.> > With all the guessing, it sure will be interesting to see if any ones guessing and delineations are accurate in the future.> > I look forward to keeping up on this if for not any more than a great study chart in exercise.> Hope others feel the same.> > Uttara> > > > > Linda Callanan <annaicenter (AT) verizon (DOT) net>> jyotish-vidya > Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:51:25 AM> Re: sarah palin> > > I saw on an astrology website that someone posted a time of birth for Palin as 4:40 PM---has anyone else seen this information?> > Thanks,> Linda> > "Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple." Ramesh S. Balsehar> - > Wendy Vasicek > jyotish-vidya > Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:23 AM> Re: DNA and the 9 Grahas> > Dear Krishna,> > You'll find the link on the "J.V. Articles" page :-)> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya .com> ____________ _________ _________ _______> > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998@ >> <jyotish-vidya>> Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:55 PM> Re: DNA and the 9 Grahas> > Looks like I have not paid much attention to this book, in your > recommended list. But, I did not notice any link for cosmic.htm from the > main page.> > Regards,> Krishna> >

September 19, 2008

Linda,Although you make some very good points, your post is laced with personal judgments against another person's, person. As you yourself have questioned in the past:"......8/27/08Is there any reason why a group focused on an objective view of the planetary dance is an appropriate forum for political viewpoints?......"and have acknowledged: 8/29/08 "......Thanks, Mrs. Wendy...there is so much to look at through the eyes of Jyotish in this election and for better or worse American politics have

really gotten ugly...we can all go to the blogs if we want to vent or feel angry......"Political viewpoints as well as political personal judgements are not solicited nor condone on Jyotish-Vidya.//...her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has...// //...would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking...// //...while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile...//////...I would think she would not be as attractive ...// //...Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity ...// //...the

shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief in her religion...//Lets keep our focus on Jyotish as Mrs Wendy has requested recently. It also underscores the intention of this study group.If political viewpoints and/or personal political judgements can't be be kept out of the discussion then the charts or supposed charts of political candidates running for office should not be studied at all. Let us also remember that a chart provides the astrologer with working material - not the basis for judging a person - as Eric Frances says so well.Uttara Linda Callanan <annaicenterjyotish-vidya Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:06:20 PMRe: sarah palin Hi Ron, Without confirmation of the birth time we are often left w/out the concrete proof we would like. While I can see the Libra rising I would think that having three planets in the 4th house of home doesn't quite explain her public ambition nor her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has. Also, with Gemini ruling the night house which contains Rahu I would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking. The second house is ruled by Mars and while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile and charm plus with the Saturn/Mars conjunction I would think she would not be as attractive as she it....also Jupiter is placed in the sixth house and even though it is in it's own sign I'm not sure that Jupiter as dasa ruler would bring her the fame she has now. The 16:30 birth time gives her a Cancer rising and her body type looks Cancerian to me and her mode of expression and face/hair (2nd house) appear Leo-like. Her dasa system gives brings to life the positive

Jupiter/Venus conjunction coming from the fortunate 9th house....while transit Rahu is now on the seventh house....her sudden rise fits easily into this sequence. The ruler of the 5th is in the 8th---she has a disabled child as well as the teen daughter being pregnant---Rahu just left the eight house by transit---she appears to have experienced some problems from transit Rahu on Mars....finally, Venus/Jupiter in the ninth in the sign of Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity and never had the need to look into other philosophies. ..such a conjunction in the shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief in her religion. Anyway, just some thoughts on her chart. Namaste, Linda "Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple." Ramesh S. Balsehar

September 20, 2008

Dear Uttara and all, I was very embarrased that I didn't even want to participate anymore in this group, you have read my mind. At the time my only objective was to send a little factual light, by sending reports from chicago newspapers it was not my intention to inject politics. nor complaint about candidates or so far so on etc.

thank you

eligio--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguniRe: sarah palinjyotish-vidya Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:11 PM

Linda,Although you make some very good points, your post is laced with personal judgments against another person's, person. As you yourself have questioned in the past:

"......8/27/ 08Is there any reason why a group focused on an objective view of the planetary dance is an appropriate forum for political viewpoints?. ....."and have acknowledged:

8/29/08"......Thanks, Mrs. Wendy...there is so much to look at through the eyes of Jyotish in this election and for better or worse American politics have really gotten ugly...we can all go to the blogs if we want to vent or feel angry......"Political viewpoints as well as political personal judgements are not solicited nor condone on Jyotish-Vidya.//...her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has...////...would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking...//

//...while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile...//////...I would think she would not be as attractive ...////...Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity ...////...the shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief in her religion...//Lets keep our focus on Jyotish as Mrs Wendy has requested recently. It also underscores the intention of this study group.If political viewpoints and/or personal political judgements can't be be kept out of the discussion then the charts or supposed charts of political candidates running for office should not be studied at all. Let us also remember that a chart provides the astrologer with working material - not the basis for judging a person - as Eric Frances says so

well.Uttara

Linda Callanan <annaicenter@ verizon.net>

jyotish-vidyaFriday, September 19, 2008 12:06:20 PMRe: sarah palin

Hi Ron,

Without confirmation of the birth time we are often left w/out the concrete proof we would like.

While I can see the Libra rising I would think that having three planets in the 4th house of home doesn't quite explain her public ambition nor her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has. Also, with Gemini ruling the night house which contains Rahu I would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking. The second house is ruled by Mars and while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile and charm plus with the Saturn/Mars conjunction I would think she would not be as attractive as she it....also Jupiter is placed in the sixth house and even though it is in it's own sign I'm not sure that Jupiter as dasa ruler would bring her the fame she has now.

The 16:30 birth time gives her a Cancer rising and her body type looks Cancerian to me and her mode of expression and face/hair (2nd house) appear Leo-like. Her dasa system gives brings to life the positive Jupiter/Venus conjunction coming from the fortunate 9th house....while transit Rahu is now on the seventh house....her sudden rise fits easily into this sequence. The ruler of the 5th is in the 8th---she has a disabled child as well as the teen daughter being pregnant---Rahu just left the eight house by transit---she appears to have experienced some problems from transit Rahu on Mars....finally, Venus/Jupiter in the ninth in the sign of Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity and never had the need to look into other philosophies. ..such a conjunction in the shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief

in her religion.

Anyway, just some thoughts on her chart.

Namaste,

Linda

"Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple." Ramesh S. Balsehar

September 20, 2008

Thank You Eligio,Your sincerity is very much appreciated.Please do continue to participate. It is the foundation of Jyotish-Vidya's intent to share and study with new members, for we all have something to contribute respectfully. I look forward to your posts here.UttaraELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligiojyotish-vidya Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:56:39

AMRe: sarah palin Dear Uttara and all, I was very embarrased that I didn't even want to participate anymore in this group, you have read my mind. At the time my only objective was to send a little factual light, by sending reports from chicago newspapers it was not my intention to inject politics. nor complaint about candidates or so far so on etc.

thank you eligio--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote: Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >Re: sarah palinjyotish-vidyaFriday, September 19, 2008, 11:11 PM Linda,Although you make some very good points, your post is laced with personal judgments against another person's, person. As you yourself have questioned in the past: "......8/27/ 08Is there any reason why a group focused on an objective view of

the planetary dance is an appropriate forum for political viewpoints?. ....."and have acknowledged: 8/29/08"......Thanks, Mrs. Wendy...there is so much to look at through the eyes of Jyotish in this election and for better or worse American politics have really gotten ugly...we can all go to the blogs if we want to vent or feel angry......"Political viewpoints as well as political personal judgements are not solicited nor condone on Jyotish-Vidya.//...her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has...////...would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking...// //...while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile...//////...I would think she would not be as attractive ...////...Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity ...////...the shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief in her religion...//Lets keep our focus on Jyotish as Mrs Wendy has requested recently. It also underscores the intention of this study group.If political viewpoints and/or personal political judgements can't be be kept out of the discussion then the charts or supposed charts of political candidates running for office should not be studied at all. Let us also remember that a chart provides the

astrologer with working material - not the basis for judging a person - as Eric Frances says so well.Uttara Linda Callanan <annaicenter@ verizon.net> jyotish-vidyaFriday, September 19, 2008 12:06:20 PMRe: sarah palin Hi Ron, Without confirmation of the birth time we are often left w/out the concrete proof we would like. While I can see the Libra rising I would think that having three planets in the 4th house of home doesn't quite explain her public ambition nor her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has. Also, with Gemini ruling the night house which contains Rahu I would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking. The second house is ruled by Mars and while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile and charm plus with the Saturn/Mars conjunction I would think she would not be as attractive as she it....also Jupiter is placed in the sixth house and even though it is in it's own sign I'm not sure that Jupiter as dasa ruler would bring her the fame she has now. The 16:30 birth time gives her a Cancer rising and her body type looks Cancerian to

me and her mode of expression and face/hair (2nd house) appear Leo-like. Her dasa system gives brings to life the positive Jupiter/Venus conjunction coming from the fortunate 9th house....while transit Rahu is now on the seventh house....her sudden rise fits easily into this sequence. The ruler of the 5th is in the 8th---she has a disabled child as well as the teen daughter being pregnant---Rahu just left the eight house by transit---she appears to have experienced some problems from transit Rahu on Mars....finally, Venus/Jupiter in the ninth in the sign of Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity and never had the need to look into other philosophies. ..such a conjunction in the shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief in her religion. Anyway, just some thoughts on her chart. Namaste, Linda "Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple." Ramesh S. Balsehar

September 20, 2008

Uttara,

In looking at this chart it is impossible to not take into account her religious or family views as she has been very public about them and she leads one to believe that these views are who she is and how she lives her life. Therefore those views become a cornerstone to trying to assess the planets according to those planets that represent her life's views and choices. I am not judging Ms Palin but simply stating how her own views and choices are reflective of her planetary placements. How is one to be honest about a chart if we look only at the "politically correct" attributes of playing basketball as a child? A choice such as she made regarding her daughter is reflective of a Saturn/Mars conjunction just as what can be seen as the "audicity" of Obama's belief that he was ready to run a nation after a few short years in the senate is indicated by the debilitated Jupiter conjunct the Sasa Yoga Saturn in his Capricorn first house. Personally, I do not care what Ms Palin decides for her child or her religious beliefs just as I do not care if Obama has an inflated ego but as astrologers we must be able to look at these personal qualities in order to understand a chart. Looking at these qualities through an interpretation of the charts is different than taking a political stand.

Sincerely,

Linda

"Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple." Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

Uttara

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:11 AM

Re: sarah palin

Linda,Although you make some very good points, your post is laced with personal judgments against another person's, person. As you yourself have questioned in the past:

"......8/27/08Is there any reason why a group focused on an objective view of the planetary dance is an appropriate forum for political viewpoints?......"and have acknowledged:

8/29/08"......Thanks, Mrs. Wendy...there is so much to look at through the eyes of Jyotish in this election and for better or worse American politics have really gotten ugly...we can all go to the blogs if we want to vent or feel angry......"Political viewpoints as well as political personal judgements are not solicited nor condone on Jyotish-Vidya.//...her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has...////...would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking...// //...while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile...//////...I would think she would not be as attractive ...////...Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity ...////...the shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief in her religion...//Lets keep our focus on Jyotish as Mrs Wendy has requested recently. It also underscores the intention of this study group.If political viewpoints and/or personal political judgements can't be be kept out of the discussion then the charts or supposed charts of political candidates running for office should not be studied at all. Let us also remember that a chart provides the astrologer with working material - not the basis for judging a person - as Eric Frances says so well.Uttara

Linda Callanan <annaicenter (AT) verizon (DOT) net>

jyotish-vidya Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:06:20 PMRe: sarah palin

Hi Ron,

Without confirmation of the birth time we are often left w/out the concrete proof we would like.

While I can see the Libra rising I would think that having three planets in the 4th house of home doesn't quite explain her public ambition nor her willingness to humiliate her daughter the way she has. Also, with Gemini ruling the night house which contains Rahu I would think that her religious views would be more intelligent and forward looking. The second house is ruled by Mars and while she is certainly aggressive in her speech she does appear to have an ability to use guile and charm plus with the Saturn/Mars conjunction I would think she would not be as attractive as she it....also Jupiter is placed in the sixth house and even though it is in it's own sign I'm not sure that Jupiter as dasa ruler would bring her the fame she has now.

The 16:30 birth time gives her a Cancer rising and her body type looks Cancerian to me and her mode of expression and face/hair (2nd house) appear Leo-like. Her dasa system gives brings to life the positive Jupiter/Venus conjunction coming from the fortunate 9th house....while transit Rahu is now on the seventh house....her sudden rise fits easily into this sequence. The ruler of the 5th is in the 8th---she has a disabled child as well as the teen daughter being pregnant---Rahu just left the eight house by transit---she appears to have experienced some problems from transit Rahu on Mars....finally, Venus/Jupiter in the ninth in the sign of Pisces which is considered the sign of Christianity and while not exactly enlightened she obviously gets satisfaction from her Christianity and never had the need to look into other philosophies. ..such a conjunction in the shadowy Pisces could explain her blind belief in her religion.

Anyway, just some thoughts on her chart.

Namaste,

Linda

"Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple." Ramesh S. Balsehar

September 20, 2008

Hello Uttara,

>Yes, I agree deciding on where Mars is placed will be a huge clue and

can make all the difference in the world, even though the nakshatra star

Dhanishtha with a Mars Lord would be the same. However, i am not

convinced that Mars is weak in Capricorn. <

It is interesting to note that Mars changes signs on the day of birth.

Using Lahiri ayanamsha, it changes from Capricorn to Aquarius at about

13.40 or an ascendant of 22Ge. Mars would fare better in Capricorn.

Mars gets quite a pounding for the Virgo ascendant due to –

1. Combustion

2. Early degree

3. In 6H

4 Conjunct 6L Sa

5. Conjunct 12L Sun

For this reason I decided to try Libra and it seemed to fit but we could

also try Leo for instance.

>I do agree however, that Libra does play a significant role in her

natural ability to charm and ease of approachability<

The choice for a Libra ascendant is also helped by the fact that Libra

people often show an interest in politics. This is because Saturn, a

friend of Ascendant lord Venus rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics

and is exalted in the Ascendant.

>Have you been able to correlate the Navamsa with the Libra Asc

hypothesis? <

If Libra ascendant, Libra navamsa would fit.

>QUOTE:

" I will unambiguously, steadfastly, and doggedly guard the interest of

this great state, as a mother naturally guards her own. Like a Southeast

Eagle and her eaglets, or more appropriately here in the Carlson, like a

Nanook defending her cub. " <

I think the key word here is “defence” ie “I will defend”

Defence is related to the 6H. Note that for a Libra ascendant Venus is

exalted in 6H.

The Ve/Ju conjunction in the 6H is also good for defeating enemies.

Although I have given some reasons for choosing a Libra ascendant, there

are obviously other possibilities. These all need to be eliminated and

that takes time.

Ron

Uttara wrote:

> Hi Ron and All,

>

> Yes, I agree deciding on where Mars is placed will be a huge clue and can make

all the difference in the world, even though the nakshatra star Dhanishtha with

a Mars Lord would be the same. However, i am not convinced that Mars is weak in

Capricorn.

>

> The way I understand it, Mars is a natural friend to Sun. With it combust Sun

there however, it straightens vs weakens Mars effects in Capricorn's intent,

especially Mars Nakshatra Lord of both planets and Dhanishta; especially if it

is 10th house. Plus Mars at 29* (Exalted 28*) is one degree ahead of Sun,

separating, and 1* from entering Aquarius which means it is anxious to begin in

a new sign and house and therefore starts to take on some of the attributes of

Aquarius without a conj to Saturn. Sat Mars conjuct in Aquarius if not used at

it higher principal could be disastrous for a rabid impulsively of rebellion

and reformation. I just don't see that in this chart as a whole yet, especially

with the Capricorn stellium influence. Maybe we could explore further the

meaning of Mars in Cap with other planets there vs. it being placed at 0*

Aquarius. (Which I feel would be weak and dangerous). It might very well come

down to what quadrant Dhanishtha

> is residing in - in both signs/houses.

>

> I am having trouble with Capricorn being 4th house with its stellium of

planets there. Capricorn as a whole wants to be out helping humanity with

devotion of work and forward thinking in its service to others vs. home

nurturing 4th hse needs solely. If Capricorn is 4th house then I would expect

to see work out of the home or involved in volunteering activities only. Even

if one is head of a board or non profit. There is no doubt that this is the way

Gov/Mrs Palin started but even then her drive was on a larger format.

>

> I do agree however, that Libra does play a significant role in her natural

ability to charm and ease of approachability, along with Virgo the sign and

natural 6th house of servant, to serve others with its earthly exactness and

Capricorn the father figure and authority.

>

> Yes, like me, I can appreciate the effort to narrow down a time. Time frame

between 22Libra 28:31 and 22:38:11 would give a Hasta Nakshatra with a Moon

Lord.

>

> Have you been able to correlate the Navamsa with the Libra Asc hypothesis?

>

> I have a quote here from Gov/Mrs Palin's

> Inaugural address as Governor of Alaska, Dec 4, 2006. I thought it to be a

real insight.

>

> I will be interested to see what you and others think best as to where one

feels to place this intention in what sign and house if any.

> To me it speaks of Leo and Capricorn.

>

> QUOTE:

>

> " I will unambiguously, steadfastly, and doggedly guard the interest of this

great state, as a mother naturally guards her own. Like a Southeast Eagle and

her eaglets, or more appropriately here in the Carlson, like a Nanook defending

her cub. "

>

> Always,

> Uttara

>

> RonDay <ronkar

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:03:46 AM

> Re: sarah palin

>

> Hello Uttara,

>

> No they do not make sense.

>

> The Virgo ascendant does not make sense either. 8L Mars is extremely

> weak and afflicted as well as being combust. There would be a longevity

> issue and she may not have made it to this age.

> When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is best to

> start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available biographical

> data.

> I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is balancing the

> weakness of combust Mars.

>

> Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this.

> Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it immensely.

> Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive abilities and 10L

> Moon is well placed giving her public prominence.

> I am still working on the degree.

>

> Ron

September 21, 2008

Hello Ron,Good to hear from you. Thanks for your email here. Yes it is very interesting that Mars moves into Aquarius 13:40. It does make the chart very interesting and challenging. It is what peaked my interest from the start. I've settled on Aries for the moment even though it puts Ve/Ju in 12th hse. I agree too, that a few other Asc's could be valid, but as you say, it does take time delineating all the possibilities and influences on the chart from the navamsa and the career chart also.It is rare in my experience to have such a challenging chart without a birth time. However, i am glad you think Mars would be better in Capricorn with its stellium of planets. There's a lot going on there. This means that the ASC which begins in Libra

at 12:00am would have to stay in signs before 22* Gemini.So, if I read your post correctly, that would eliminate Cancer, Leo and Virgo signs. This is why I was/am favoring Aries in the first quadrant for the time being, but I am also looking seriously at Capricorn rising. What do you think about other signs vs. a Leo Asc that you mentioned. Are you using the aspects and transits from the Moon or Asc only?Yes, interesting you defined Defense as 6th hse. in regard to Gov Palin's address. It would fit in nicely with a Aries Asc as the 6th house it how one works and servant to others for their well being. It would also support her self expression 5th hse Leo. And promote her 10th hse Capricorn of career. Also, Mars in 10th Capricorn would aspect 1st hse Aries and give more weight to the influence of Mars and Mars as lord star in more than one planet in Capricorn. Mars aspect in 4th hse

Cancer of nurturing and emotions of others and in 5th hse Leo of leadership. Interesting that Saturn is currently transiting Leo. I also like 11th hse Aquarius of group involvement for structured needs. However, it's a cursory look. More latter. The Maha dasha is favorable no matter what Asc there is and shows a very strong chart.Uttara RonDay <ronkarjyotish-vidya Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:35:32 PMRe: sarah palin Hello Uttara, >Yes, I agree deciding on where Mars is placed

will be a huge clue and can make all the difference in the world, even though the nakshatra star Dhanishtha with a Mars Lord would be the same. However, i am not convinced that Mars is weak in Capricorn. <It is interesting to note that Mars changes signs on the day of birth. Using Lahiri ayanamsha, it changes from Capricorn to Aquarius at about 13.40 or an ascendant of 22Ge. Mars would fare better in Capricorn.Mars gets quite a pounding for the Virgo ascendant due to –1. Combustion2. Early degree3. In 6H4 Conjunct 6L Sa5. Conjunct 12L SunFor this reason I decided to try Libra and it seemed to fit but we could also try Leo for instance. >I do agree however, that Libra does play a significant role in her natural ability to charm and ease of approachability<The choice for a Libra ascendant is also helped by the fact that Libra

people often show an interest in politics. This is because Saturn, a friend of Ascendant lord Venus rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics and is exalted in the Ascendant. >Have you been able to correlate the Navamsa with the Libra Asc hypothesis? <If Libra ascendant, Libra navamsa would fit. >QUOTE:"I will unambiguously, steadfastly, and doggedly guard the interest of this great state, as a mother naturally guards her own. Like a Southeast Eagle and her eaglets, or more appropriately here in the Carlson, like a Nanook defending her cub."<I think the key word here is “defence” ie “I will defend”Defence is related to the 6H. Note that for a Libra ascendant Venus is exalted in 6H.The Ve/Ju conjunction in the 6H is also good for defeating enemies.Although I have given some reasons for choosing a Libra ascendant, there are

obviously other possibilities. These all need to be eliminated and that takes time.RonUttara wrote:> Hi Ron and All,> > Yes, I agree deciding on where Mars is placed will be a huge clue and can make all the difference in the world, even though the nakshatra star Dhanishtha with a Mars Lord would be the same. However, i am not convinced that Mars is weak in Capricorn. > > The way I understand it, Mars is a natural friend to Sun. With it combust Sun there however, it straightens vs weakens Mars effects in Capricorn's intent, especially Mars Nakshatra Lord of both planets and Dhanishta; especially if it is 10th house. Plus Mars at 29* (Exalted 28*) is one degree ahead of Sun, separating, and 1* from entering Aquarius which means it is anxious to begin in a new sign and house and therefore starts to take on some of the attributes of Aquarius without a conj to

Saturn. Sat Mars conjuct in Aquarius if not used at it higher principal could be disastrous for a rabid impulsively of rebellion and reformation. I just don't see that in this chart as a whole yet, especially with the Capricorn stellium influence. Maybe we could explore further the meaning of Mars in Cap with other planets there vs. it being placed at 0* Aquarius. (Which I feel would be weak and dangerous). It might very well come down to what quadrant Dhanishtha> is residing in - in both signs/houses. > > I am having trouble with Capricorn being 4th house with its stellium of planets there. Capricorn as a whole wants to be out helping humanity with devotion of work and forward thinking in its service to others vs. home nurturing 4th hse needs solely. If Capricorn is 4th house then I would expect to see work out of the home or involved in volunteering activities only. Even

if one is head of a board or non profit. There is no doubt that this is the way Gov/Mrs Palin started but even then her drive was on a larger format.> > I do agree however, that Libra does play a significant role in her natural ability to charm and ease of approachability, along with Virgo the sign and natural 6th house of servant, to serve others with its earthly exactness and Capricorn the father figure and authority.> > Yes, like me, I can appreciate the effort to narrow down a time. Time frame between 22Libra 28:31 and 22:38:11 would give a Hasta Nakshatra with a Moon Lord.> > Have you been able to correlate the Navamsa with the Libra Asc hypothesis? > > I have a quote here from Gov/Mrs Palin's > Inaugural address as Governor of Alaska, Dec 4, 2006. I thought it to be a real insight. > > I will be interested to see what you and others think best as

to where one feels to place this intention in what sign and house if any.> To me it speaks of Leo and Capricorn. > > QUOTE:> > "I will unambiguously, steadfastly, and doggedly guard the interest of this great state, as a mother naturally guards her own. Like a Southeast Eagle and her eaglets, or more appropriately here in the Carlson, like a Nanook defending her cub."> > Always,> Uttara > > > > > > RonDay <ronkar> jyotish-vidya > Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:03:46 AM> Re: sarah palin> > > Hello Uttara,> > No they do not make

sense.> > The Virgo ascendant does not make sense either. 8L Mars is extremely > weak and afflicted as well as being combust. There would be a longevity > issue and she may not have made it to this age.> When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is best to > start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available biographical > data.> I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is balancing the > weakness of combust Mars.> > Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this.> Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it immensely.> Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive abilities and 10L > Moon is well placed giving her public prominence.> I am still working on the degree.> > Ron---

September 21, 2008

>Good to hear from you. Thanks for your email here. Yes it is very

interesting that Mars moves into Aquarius 13:40. It does make the chart

very interesting and challenging. It is what peaked my interest from

the start. I've settled on Aries for the moment even though it puts

Ve/Ju in 12th hse. <

Aries is quite a strong chart but is it near any reported time?

>So, if I read your post correctly, that would eliminate Cancer, Leo

and Virgo signs. This is why I was/am favoring Aries in the first

quadrant for the time being, but I am also looking seriously at

Capricorn rising.

To have Mars in Capricorn, the ascendants have to be Gemini or before

but there are good possibilities with Mars in Aquarius eg Libra ascendant

>What do you think about other signs vs. a Leo Asc that you mentioned.

Are you using the aspects and transits from the Moon or Asc only?<

I haven’t checked Leo in any detail yet

Note that for Virgo ascendant Sa would be transiting 8th from Mo and

12th from Ascendant. Another reason to question this ascendant.

Ron

Uttara wrote:

> Hello Ron,

>

> Good to hear from you. Thanks for your email here. Yes it is very

interesting that Mars moves into Aquarius 13:40. It does make the chart very

interesting and challenging. It is what peaked my interest from the start.

I've settled on Aries for the moment even though it puts Ve/Ju in 12th hse. I

agree too, that a few other Asc's could be valid, but as you say, it does take

time delineating all the possibilities and influences on the chart from the

navamsa and the career chart also.

>

> It is rare in my experience to have such a challenging chart without a birth

time. However, i am glad you think Mars would be better in Capricorn with its

stellium of planets. There's a lot going on there. This means that the ASC

which begins in Libra at 12:00am would have to stay in signs before 22* Gemini.

>

> So, if I read your post correctly, that would eliminate Cancer, Leo and Virgo

signs. This is why I was/am favoring Aries in the first quadrant for the time

being, but I am also looking seriously at Capricorn rising.

>

> What do you think about other signs vs. a Leo Asc that you mentioned.

> Are you using the aspects and transits from the Moon or Asc only?

>

> Yes, interesting you defined Defense as 6th hse. in regard to Gov Palin's

address. It would fit in nicely with a Aries Asc as the 6th house it how one

works and servant to others for their well being. It would also support her

self expression 5th hse Leo. And promote her 10th hse Capricorn of career.

Also, Mars in 10th Capricorn would aspect 1st hse Aries and give more weight to

the influence of Mars and Mars as lord star in more than one planet in

Capricorn. Mars aspect in 4th hse Cancer of nurturing and emotions of others and

in 5th hse Leo of leadership. Interesting that Saturn is currently transiting

Leo. I also like 11th hse Aquarius of group involvement for structured needs.

However, it's a cursory look. More latter. The Maha dasha is favorable no matter

what Asc there is and shows a very strong chart.

>

> Uttara

>

> RonDay <ronkar

> jyotish-vidya

> Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:35:32 PM

> Re: sarah palin

>

> Hello Uttara,

>

>> Yes, I agree deciding on where Mars is placed will be a huge clue and

> can make all the difference in the world, even though the nakshatra star

> Dhanishtha with a Mars Lord would be the same. However, i am not

> convinced that Mars is weak in Capricorn. <

>

> It is interesting to note that Mars changes signs on the day of birth.

> Using Lahiri ayanamsha, it changes from Capricorn to Aquarius at about

> 13.40 or an ascendant of 22Ge. Mars would fare better in Capricorn.

>

> Mars gets quite a pounding for the Virgo ascendant due to –

>

> 1. Combustion

> 2. Early degree

> 3. In 6H

> 4 Conjunct 6L Sa

> 5. Conjunct 12L Sun

>

> For this reason I decided to try Libra and it seemed to fit but we could

> also try Leo for instance.

>

>> I do agree however, that Libra does play a significant role in her

> natural ability to charm and ease of approachability<

>

> The choice for a Libra ascendant is also helped by the fact that Libra

> people often show an interest in politics. This is because Saturn, a

> friend of Ascendant lord Venus rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics

> and is exalted in the Ascendant.

>

>> Have you been able to correlate the Navamsa with the Libra Asc

> hypothesis? <

>

> If Libra ascendant, Libra navamsa would fit.

>

>> QUOTE:

>

> " I will unambiguously, steadfastly, and doggedly guard the interest of

> this great state, as a mother naturally guards her own. Like a Southeast

> Eagle and her eaglets, or more appropriately here in the Carlson, like a

> Nanook defending her cub. " <

>

> I think the key word here is “defence” ie “I will defend”

>

> Defence is related to the 6H. Note that for a Libra ascendant Venus is

> exalted in 6H.

> The Ve/Ju conjunction in the 6H is also good for defeating enemies.

>

> Although I have given some reasons for choosing a Libra ascendant, there

> are obviously other possibilities. These all need to be eliminated and

> that takes time.

>

> Ron

>

> Uttara wrote:

>> Hi Ron and All,

>>

>> Yes, I agree deciding on where Mars is placed will be a huge clue and can

make all the difference in the world, even though the nakshatra star Dhanishtha

with a Mars Lord would be the same. However, i am not convinced that Mars is

weak in Capricorn.

>>

>> The way I understand it, Mars is a natural friend to Sun. With it combust

Sun there however, it straightens vs weakens Mars effects in Capricorn's

intent, especially Mars Nakshatra Lord of both planets and Dhanishta; especially

if it is 10th house. Plus Mars at 29* (Exalted 28*) is one degree ahead of Sun,