Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Correction: ///Rahu occupies 9th bhava with his dispositor (Mercury), in the company of Ketu, occupying 9th from 3rd./// That, of course, should read; Mercury, in the company of Ketu, aspecting 9th from 3rd. PS: It would be best to address any comments to the group (rather than to me) as my participation is likely to be sporadic for some time... __ Dear Members, I feel I must intervene here: Humanity is such that judgements are often based on our own political view. Even though this may be completely unintentional a subtle bias, in favour of our own political leaning, cannot help but influence our judgement. From my side I feel I should reveal my own preference (based on the fact that, although I'm not American, I'm keenly aware that the 'Superpower' status of America has a marked influence globally, as they say; " when America sneezes the world catches a cold " . The recent sub-prime crises, for example, is having a negative influence on the Australian financial market...etc, etc.. I personally support the Republican's stand on Pro-Life (and other moral issues) and believe the world (at large) has gone too far in regards to free-choice which promotes immoral behaviour. I also feel that, as much as the Bush administration has diminished the reputation of the party in particular and America's standing in the world generally, I'm cautiously confident that McCain is the man who can/will restore this. Although this is my view I acknowledge the fact that many others hold a different view. I also acknowledge the fact that we all look at a horoscope through our own eyes and no-one should be punished for this (i.e. put on moderation). We should (instead) put our arguments forward in a clear and intelligent manner according to the principles of jyotish; And then, if it comes to it, we should agree to disagree amicably and leave it at that. Palin's Chart: I finally decided to take a look at Palin's chart and, not having a confirmed time, I decided to use the time that was on my computer. It was 00:08:24 which gave Libra rising 12:28:07 in nakshatra of Swati, lorded by Rahu. 10th lord Moon, in lagna, also occupies Swati nakshatra whilst Rahu occupies 9th bhava with his dispositor (Mercury), in the company of Ketu, occupying 9th from 3rd. It's difficult for me to get my thoughts together coherently enough to attempt to rectify the chart or get into a lengthy commentary so I will just comment on what stands out for me with this chart... Venus, as we know, is known as the planet of increase and, when influencing the 5th by occupation or aspect, can indicate increase of children. Palin has five children! Her last child, born during Saturn dasa (whilst Tr.Saturn aspects from Leo) was born with Down's syndrome...I don't have the date so can't check on all the influences at the time of the child's birth...perhaps someone could make a chart up for this? Dear Linda: I think Palin had little choice but to pre-empt the imminent (and almost certainly vicious) attack on her daughter/family from the Obama campaign. I also think it was a wise and compassionate move to publicly support her daughter. I also don't think that living by strong Christian values is, in any way, radical. However I most certainly would describe Obama's religious affiliations as radical...remember Rev(?) Wright! But, enough said! I think we have to be very careful when discussing the charts of politicians. Let's try to be good to one another and recognise that we all have a certain view :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Mrs Wendy, I do want to thank you for your calm and neutral approach to this situation. Pro-life vs Pro-choice is a very hot topic over here and I personally understand both viewpoints. But it is not that issue nor Palin's Christianity that makes her extreme. Palin did want to ban books in her town's public library specifically a book that was explaining the differences in families and how a family with gay parents is still a family and when the librarian asked her to read the book Palin refused. She did cut funding for unwed mothers, she supports abstinence only programs and opposes sex education. Palin's church had a preacher who did tell his congregation that if they voted for Kerry they would burn in hell and that Israel was being bombed because they refused to accept Jesus---all of this was proven through video. Palin is on record for supporting teaching creationism in public schools as well as being part of a group that not only wanted to secede from America but is affiliated with a group from South Carolina that also wants to secede to form their own country with a constitution that is based on the Ten Commandants. This is an extreme religious viewpoint and in my opinion threatens the basic rights of religious freedom that is core to my country. In the 21st century we have towns over here fighting to have evolution taught in science classes, fighting to have basic sexual biology taught and fighting to not have people who believe in Buddhism, Hinduism or any other belief system that is not Christian mistreated. I live in a small, conservative town only ninety miles from NYC and my own granddaughter has been instructed to not tell anyone about my doing Jyotish because of my concern for how she would be treated were her friends to know. Palin is part of an extreme philosophy and not just a devout Christian who is pro-life and in my opinion one can not leave this out if one is looking at her chart. Rev. Wright's comments about the US being responsible for 9-11 was also stated by the late, white Rev. Falwell as well. Obama has repudiated his minister while Palin has not only not repudiated her minister but was shown giving a sermon at her own church speaking about Iraq as a " holy war " fought for God. You are correct in believing that if those who support Obama had found out first about her daughter's pregnancy she would have been trashed but certainly Obama would not have been part of that trashing as his compassion to those of us who watch up close would have been his primary viewpoint. Of course, if it were Obama's daughter the right would have had a nasty field day. My point was not that she supported her daughter but that she made it part of her politics in a very public manner and that she made a public announcement that her 17 year old daughter would now have to be married which any thinking person knows will most likely lead to a divorce it is one thing to support your child it is another to force a " child " into marriage but that is the extreme conservative way. To sum up this too long discourse it was not political affiliation that led me to look at the chart the way I did---my conclusions were based on what I know about this woman. To those of us who do this work and live in this country it is not only important to try and understand why a person such as Palin can believe what she believes it is important for us to be honest about her beliefs because if we are not we could be looking at a time when it becomes illegal for us to even study or practice a subject as Jyotish. Uttara not only disagreed with what I said but went on to judge my objectivity and chastise me as if I were a child and then to put me in some type of " time-out " . I will give this a little time before I decide whether or not I will from the group. I hope that you are feeling well and do apologize if my opinions and Uttara's reactions caused you to lose any rest. Sincerely, Linda " Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:50 AM Political Charts: Sarah Palin > Dear Members, > > I feel I must intervene here: > Humanity is such that judgements are often based on our own political > view. Even though this may be completely unintentional a subtle bias, in > favour of our own political leaning, cannot help but influence our > judgement. > > From my side I feel I should reveal my own preference (based on the fact > that, although I'm not American, I'm keenly aware that the 'Superpower' > status of America has a marked influence globally, as they say; " when > America sneezes the world catches a cold " . The recent sub-prime crises, > for example, is having a negative influence on the Australian financial > market...etc, etc.. > > I personally support the Republican's stand on Pro-Life (and other moral > issues) and believe the world (at large) has gone too far in regards to > free-choice which promotes immoral behaviour. I also feel that, as much > as the Bush administration has diminished the reputation of the party in > particular and America's standing in the world generally, I'm cautiously > confident that McCain is the man who can/will restore this. > > Although this is my view I acknowledge the fact that many others hold a > different view. I also acknowledge the fact that we all look at a > horoscope through our own eyes and no-one should be punished for this > (i.e. put on moderation). We should (instead) put our arguments forward > in a clear and intelligent manner according to the principles of jyotish; > And then, if it comes to it, we should agree to disagree amicably and > leave it at that. > > Palin's Chart: > I finally decided to take a look at Palin's chart and, not having a > confirmed time, I decided to use the time that was on my computer. It was > 00:08:24 which gave Libra rising 12:28:07 in nakshatra of Swati, lorded > by Rahu. 10th lord Moon, in lagna, also occupies Swati nakshatra whilst > Rahu occupies 9th bhava with his dispositor (Mercury), in the company of > Ketu, occupying 9th from 3rd. > > It's difficult for me to get my thoughts together coherently enough to > attempt to rectify the chart or get into a lengthy commentary so I will > just comment on what stands out for me with this chart... > > Venus, as we know, is known as the planet of increase and, when > influencing the 5th by occupation or aspect, can indicate increase of > children. Palin has five children! Her last child, born during Saturn > dasa (whilst Tr.Saturn aspects from Leo) was born with Down's > syndrome...I don't have the date so can't check on all the influences at > the time of the child's birth...perhaps someone could make a chart up for > this? > > Dear Linda: > I think Palin had little choice but to pre-empt the imminent (and almost > certainly vicious) attack on her daughter/family from the Obama campaign. > I also think it was a wise and compassionate move to publicly support her > daughter. > > I also don't think that living by strong Christian values is, in any way, > radical. However I most certainly would describe Obama's religious > affiliations as radical...remember Rev(?) Wright! > > But, enough said! I think we have to be very careful when discussing the > charts of politicians. > > Let's try to be good to one another and recognise that we all have a > certain view :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Linda, Your views have been noted and I would like to remind everyone (once again) that this is NOT a political forum. The fact of the matter is that, for every scrap of evidence(?) you produce to support your negative views, I could probably produce more that prove them wrong. ///Palin did want to ban books in her town's public library specifically a book that was explaining the differences in families and how a family with gay parents is still a family and when the librarian asked her to read the book Palin refused./// I have to say that I too would have refused. ///as well as being part of a group that not only wanted to secede from America but is affiliated with a group from South Carolina that also wants to secede to form their own country with a constitution that is based on the Ten Commandants./// Talks of secession go on in many countries from time-to-time. I know my state (Western Australia) has broached this topic on more than one occasion...based more on economics (and other considerations) rather than religion. But it amounts to nothing...just talk that rises up occasionally and is then forgotten. As for the Ten Commandments, I believe these are beneficial guidelines designed for the good of society...what on earth would you find objectionable about this? *Honour thy father and mother *Thou shalt not kill *Thou shalt not commit adultery *Thou shalt not steal *Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour *Thou shalt not covet These are the same/similar virtues (leading to righteousness) that we find in all religious treatises. ///I live in a small, conservative town only ninety miles from NYC and my own granddaughter has been instructed to not tell anyone about my doing Jyotish because of my concern for how she would be treated were her friends to know./// I was raised a Christian, in a Christian country (although it's more multi-religious today). I have love and admiration for the teachings of the Bhagavad-Gita (carry a small copy in my handbag at all times) which I find reflected in the teachings of Christ. I receive great comfort and joy from practicing meditation using a Christian mantra. I love to recite Gayatri and other Hindu mantras as much as I love the Christian rosary; and my devotion to jyotish is undeniable. I find NO CONFLICT with this at all! Certainly I wouldn't walk into my church proclaiming myself a jyotisha...it's a matter of etiquette more than anything else. There is a place for everything, and Church is certainly not the place to ram my knowledge of jyotish down peoples throats who have no understanding of it at all. That would be just out-and-out rudeness...we really should know how to conduct ourselves in society! In the same manner we should know how to conduct ourselves on the internet...a jyotish group is NOT the place to air our political views with no regard to the sensibilities of other members. ///I will give this a little time before I decide whether or not I will from the group./// Although it saddens me to see a member leave I certainly won't stand in your way if you choose to do so. ///I hope that you are feeling well and do apologize if my opinions and Uttara's reactions caused you to lose any rest./// As a mother watches over her children even though she may be ill; So I watch over the group even though I'm in need of rest. I could not let this situation go on without intervention. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Wendy ji, ///I personally support the Republican's stand on Pro-Life (and other moral issues) and believe the world (at large) has gone too far in regards to free-choice which promotes immoral behaviour./// I personally have never seen myself as either Rep or Dem, but in this issue, I agree with you completely. Anything that promotes morality is good. This reminds me of a semi-serious joke... One day, a group of biologists said they would create Life. God came down and said that he would challenge them. As per the challenge, one eminent biologist and God were to face each other. God bent down to pick up a handful of mud to begin Creation. The biologist did the same. " Stop, " said God, " bring your own mud. " ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear Balaji, :-)) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Monday, September 22, 2008 12:42 PM RE: Political Charts: Sarah Palin Wendy ji, ///I personally support the Republican's stand on Pro-Life (and other moral issues) and believe the world (at large) has gone too far in regards to free-choice which promotes immoral behaviour./// I personally have never seen myself as either Rep or Dem, but in this issue, I agree with you completely. Anything that promotes morality is good. This reminds me of a semi-serious joke... One day, a group of biologists said they would create Life. God came down and said that he would challenge them. As per the challenge, one eminent biologist and God were to face each other. God bent down to pick up a handful of mud to begin Creation. The biologist did the same. " Stop, " said God, " bring your own mud. " ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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