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September 4, 2008

Dear Krishna and Vrkrishnan,

This discussion has been fun and very intriguing to share with both of you.

Krishna, I look forward to reading more of your research in the future.

In the meantime, I think I am close to naming an ASC even though we don't have

an official birth time for Sarah Palin. I've been honing in on Mo and Mars and

their movements

throughout the day of her birth. Interesting to note: last evening when Gov/Mrs

Palin spoke at the RNC she wore an outfit that reflected her Capricorn Cancer

axis. A Black Skirt (Saturn ruler Cap) where her moon is located and a Silver

jacket (Moon ruler CA). Also, her speaking abilities and unflappable ability to

not miss a beat when the teleprompter had the wrong speech keyed up and then

when the right one was inserted it was out of sinc. I noticed she had her speech

in paper form, as she did last Friday and only looked down at it to skim her

notes between applause and a few pauses. Her delivery was excellent and all the

reports are coming in saying how she was able to connect with her audience with

the conclusion

A Star Has Been Born.

Uttara

p.s. Vattem forgive me for asking but how do you prefer to be addressed? I have

lost track these last few years. :-)

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:07:18 AM

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Dear Uttara,

I agree with EVERYTHING you have said in your mail, specially when you say

" ...there has always been one higher truth no matter what culture or practice of

Religion one was begot from. It's what sustains us and gives reason for

living. "

Yes, this is a fascinating subject and the discussion never ends as we speak out

our beliefs.

Regards,

Krishna

--- On Thu, 4/9/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 1:01 AM

Dear Krishna,

EXACTLY! This too needs to be taken into the equation. It's a very complex

subject that has kept discussions going on Karma and free will vs. science for

ages and will continue. Actually, Newton and Einstein and other

math/physicists/ scientists of their generation, and before as of today, are

often very religious/spiritual people. They are a small group in the scientific

world but nonetheless students of philosophy and theology. And often did/do

apply their scientific findings to the spiritual plane and the Supreme Being.

So, too, they are and were students of astronomy and its cosmos of astrological

character and destiny. As above so below. There is Brahman or an Agni in the

constellations.

As we know, astrology created the cultural myths which evolved into religions

of its people. This has been found not only in the anthropology of the

Euro/Indus valley cultures which evolved into Indian and other Eastern cultures

but in other cultures of people through the ages. Each adapted to its own

needs, civility and survival through the practice of their faith. However,

there has always been one higher truth no matter what culture or practice of

Religion one was begot from. It's what sustains us and gives reason for

living. As you say too, if we don't use our free-will to its positive

potential then we are destined to repeat it (Karma) until we do.

Psychologically, multi-generational learned behavior and its environment too

needs to be addressed to help define ones karma of past, their actions of today

and a conscious higher purpose of meaning and transcendence.

I find this whole subject fascinating and profound. I am aware that one does

have to be respectful and careful in mixing cold hard Science and its biological

discoveries with a religious faith of morality, ethics and soul purpose, with

its social and political structures. The Brahman Texts and Vedic canon’s

Upanishads spell this out clearly, as does the Vedic Sutras.

Yes, there is a fear that as we scientifically evolve, we will loose our

humanity and purpose. That Agni will be shed for self. There was recently a

movie that came out earlier this summer titled “Wally World” . It is a

wonderful modern day movie of scientific evolution that sheds its higher purpose

and God. In the end a little robotic- emotionally feeling Wally brings a seed

planted in mud from the destruction of a wasteful dead earth to the space home

environment of a new world. The seed shortly thereafter sprouts a new young

birth of life. All the people are mesmerized with awe and want to go back to

earth to recapture their humanity and purpose while giving reverence to their

Supreme Being.

Uttara

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:14:10 AM

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Dear Uttara,

That was an interesting quote. Yes, Newton coined the law in the context of

Physics. But, probably he was unaware that such a law is applicable in the

spiritual plane as well and the actions and reactions transcend one life term.

Lot of people think that Karma and Free-will are contradicting entities. But in

fact, Karma is nothing but the free-will exercised in the past! And, only our

free-will available today has the power of countering our past karma. After all,

it was only created by ourselves. However, due to the accumulated Karma, not

everyone will have the same amount of free-will to exercise in the current

birth. If I take an analogy of amount of free-will to the engine power of the

car, some people are born with 200 bhp and some other may be born with just 50

bhp. However, if one does not use what he is born with, a person with 200bhp

engine may not be able to overtake a person with 50 bhp engine because he may

not be pressing the gas peddle

enough (not using all the free-will available). Unfortulately, it is difficult

to get a measure of what we are born with. Hence, it is always better to try our

best, do things to our full potential to use our free-will to the fullest

extent.

Regards,

Krishna

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Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 11:34 PM

To All,

Fascinating thread Vattem. Thank you for your insightful contribution here on

the subject of karma vs. science.

I came across a quote a few days ago that said - " We are the whole of a

tribe - change the tribe and it changes you. " This quote came from an

indigenous Indian tribe's philosophy of religious belief who live deep in

the rain forest. Interesting. This quote also reminds me of Newton's law.

" For every action there is a reaction " . But Newton's theory is a

modern day scientific reasoning that is based on physics only.

But as you say, Karma is the essence of our soul to purify, to gain a rewarding

afterlife with Krishna. DNA is science, although the soul and its purpose of

life, is a higher octave of transcending that can be traced in our birth

charts.

Uttara

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:21:18 AM

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Dear All,

Human trials as free will actions have always a place and may be it brings some

fun and enjoyment.The scientific exercise cited by you really makes us in a way

proud too as human discoveries have any limit.If so " who is that " who

can explain any limit for our efforts and the rewards that is bestowed may be a

pleasure or may be a sorrow and may be a noble one that is capable to change

the

order.

So we have Plutos,Newtons and even for that matter Sankaracharyas too.

As students of Astrology we have faithfully accepted vedic conventions and

agreed not to accord any higher pedestal for emerging scinces and the

technology,eventual ly likely to overtake humanity.It is really the human

endeavour that brings laurels and distinguishes personalities.

Then it is not easy to pulverise the idea that such distinctions are due to

past karmas.

In Psychology how ever we know in existential mode work for the sake name and

fame.where as in our field we attribute to the past,beleieving our birth and

the

ultimate lifeless state as death are not mere happenings.taking place

randomly.we have established continuity in birth as well as death through a

fine

thread of Karma of the past.So the biological life is once over we now look to

ashes and immeterial thigs.Scintific inventions now put life upto 125 years to

day and who knows our grand grand talk of of more number of years than the

ceiling laid by vimshottari das systemIn the process " how and why we live

and how are predestined Karma is carried out " .

we are coming to recognise human endeavours and ready to get convinced that the

human intellect(if we can still beleieve as the gift of Almighty/sper human

being) is capable to grow with science and chnage the social order.

Probably the Human ego,rather confidence that allow us not to think of past and

Karmas as the responsible element.No wonder in the process we do not

hesitate " I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for most to comprehend

their past. "

In case the modern world as it is seen to today happened to be the same some

thousands of years ago,it would have been://that the collective karma of

thought

and action has great effect on us as a human population just as a dehydrated

dessert//

As the human inventions are changing the order of the society,we are becoming

more and more insecure as there is nothing the human intellect can not

comprehend and replicate>yet we still cling as a dehydrated desert to the

past actions and karmas<

What ever may be great heights the humans endeavour,it is their greatness yet

to confess that we are all persons of past to carry out different actions to

glorify the tribe as long as our biological actives can be sustained through

scinetific developments and growth.

So let us as an insecure and hesistant human being and ignoring what science

can do and can not do ,it most safe if only we ontinue to live the

thought:there

is a thread of karma that we all carry for duties to work on.

vrrkishnan

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 4:29 AM

Dear Krishna and all,

This article below just came across my desk and thought I would share it with

you. It's an interesting pause for contemplation how science and biology

can change how and why we live and how are predestined Karma is carried out.

Vattem I don't know how many will want to throw rocks at me but I try in

advising people to look at their birth chart as an opportunity to undue by

choice some negative karma seen currently and advise them on choice for

mitigating or changing for more positive by action, thought and prayer on

selfless ness. Too, to enhance what is positive by doing the same. In other

words I take karma as a current condition and not one that has been stored up

for generations of past living. I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for

most to comprehend their past.

However, Karma is there.

In regard to developed countries vs others controlled by station or government

power/restrictions and/or labour issues which are very real - along with food,

sanitary conditions and a roof over ones head, I put this also in current

conditions and not something mered in 1000 of yrs of badness to undue, for

self

and love ones.. The Karma in these situations are controlled outside of

ourselves and not because of what we have done in the past to deserve such dire

conditions. I guess I would look to the karma of a country to further reason

these plights of oppressions. I do differ in thought in some ways because I

was

raised with an attitude of freedom that I could do and be anything I wanted if

I

took proper ethical responsible action to my desires. This is probably my

Karma. Maybe some of us are born lucky. I do agree though, that the

collective

karma of thought and action has great effect on us as a human population just

as

a dehydrated dessert.

But, positively in the dessert life still flourishes in its own way. I always

like to look at wildlife, what separates us from them is a higher developed

brain. So, when I observe them they act out of a sense of an innate survival

instinct. Each generation born follows the patterns of survival from the older

generation and they learn out of that same innate instinct of survival to adapt

to their surroundings or perish.. It can change from season to season or year

to year or century to century etc. I don't think the wildlife in and of

itself feels a karma. it just is.

That doesn't sound very religious on my part but I am a very spiritual

person. Karma I can see being worked out from generations say who have suicide

in their past family etc. So, there is a thread of karma that we all carry for

duties to work on.

Hope all enjoy this article below

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A 'genetic breakthrough' that can prolong human life?

London (PTI): Imagine living to a healthy 125 years. Well, your imagination

might someday turn into reality, thanks to scientists who have made a genetic

breakthrough that they claim can prolong human life and remove cancer threat.

A team at the Spanish National Cancer Research Centre in Madrid has based its

conclusion on tests on rodents, which made them live nearly 45 per cent longer

and also left them free from tumours.

According to the scientists, if the experiments on the mice can be replicated

in people, human lifespan could also be extended as the genes involved exist

naturally in both rodents and humans and perform similar roles.

" The elixir of eternal youth is now not a utopian dream. The discovery

opens the door to (the possibility) that humans could live 125 years and

without

cancer, " the 'Daily Mail' quoted lead scientist Maria Blasco as

saying.

In fact, the scientists achieved their results by inserting an extra copy of

three genes -- called telomerase, p53 and p16, already known to be important

for

longevity and suppressing tumours -- into the stem cells of mice.

Inserting an extra copy improved their function in the body because they

produced more protein, which made them more active. This in turn helped

telomerase to protect chromosomes from shrinking, a process which normally

happens naturally as all living creatures age.

And it means p53 and p16 work to prevent cells from mutating and dividing, and

therefore preventing cancer, while producing a good balance of new, healthy

cells -- the method is " groundbreaking " as the team managed to get

extra copies of both the genes into the mice.

The modified mice were allowed to breed to strengthen their new DNA pattern,

which created a group of " supermice " with longer lifespans and

in-built cancer protection.

" When activating p53 and p16 in mice, the incidence of cancer is reduced

to practically zero. We don't think the mice lived longer because they had

less cancer but because these genes also protected against ageing, "

co-scientist Manuel Serrano said.

The mice are expected to live up to four-and-a-half years though normally their

average lifespan is three years. " This is the equivalent of humans living

to 125, " according to the scientists.

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:07:51 AM

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Dear Uttara,

Thanks for bringing out the research report on evolution. The new revelation is

very interesting. It is our group karma that is contributing the changes to our

environment/ attitudes/ preferences that we are welcomed into during our next

birth.

Also, while talking about DNA that we inherit from our parents, I believe that

our natal chart is another view of our DNA. Science has already proven that we

inherit DNA from our parents. And, hence I believe that we inherit the

planetary

positions in our charts from our parent's charts as well. This is the basis

for my research on this topic.

Regards,

Krishna

--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 12:18 AM

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart.......

..

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon

there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in

USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global

modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

Uttara

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

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Hi Uttara,

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope

one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

Regards,

Krishna

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jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

September 5, 2008

Dear Uttara,

The birth time doing circles on astrology lists for Ms. Palin is 9:43pm.

This time gives her Virgo lagna with Sun, Moon and Mercury in the 5th and

Saturn, Mars in the sixth and Jupiter, Venus in the 7th. The Rahu-Ketu axis

being in 10-4. This makes it a very interesting horoscope.

Important yogas:

- Conjunction of 7th and 9th lord in the 7th.

- 8th lord Mars in the 6th

- Lagna is being aspected by Venus and Jupiter, Mars as well

- All planets are hemmedÂ between Ketu and Rahu

The Bhava chart is even more interesting. But, I will refrain from making

comments on that.

However, we have Venus and Mercury both debilitated in navamsha and Saturn is

exalted there.

Jupiter has Kendradhipatya dosha.

Regards,

Krishna

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Uttara <muttaraphalguni

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jyotish-vidya

Friday, 5 September, 2008, 9:32 AM

Dear Krishna and Vrkrishnan,

This discussion has been fun and very intriguing to share with both of you.

Krishna, I look forward to reading more of your research in the future.

In the meantime, I think I am close to naming an ASC even though we don't

have an official birth time for Sarah Palin. I've been honing in on Mo and

Mars and their movements

throughout the day of her birth. Interesting to note: last evening when

Gov/Mrs Palin spoke at the RNC she wore an outfit that reflected her Capricorn

Cancer axis. A Black Skirt (Saturn ruler Cap) where her moon is located and a

Silver jacket (Moon ruler CA). Also, her speaking abilities and unflappable

ability to not miss a beat when the teleprompter had the wrong speech keyed up

and then when the right one was inserted it was out of sinc. I noticed she had

her speech in paper form, as she did last Friday and only looked down at it to

skim her notes between applause and a few pauses. Her delivery was excellent

and all the reports are coming in saying how she was able to connect with her

audience with the conclusion

A Star Has Been Born.

Uttara

p.s. Vattem forgive me for asking but how do you prefer to be addressed? I

have lost track these last few years. :-)

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:07:18 AM

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Dear Uttara,

I agree with EVERYTHING you have said in your mail, specially when you say

" ...there has always been one higher truth no matter what culture or

practice of Religion one was begot from. It's what sustains us and gives

reason for living. "

Yes, this is a fascinating subject and the discussion never ends as we speak

out our beliefs.

Regards,

Krishna

--- On Thu, 4/9/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 1:01 AM

Dear Krishna,

EXACTLY! This too needs to be taken into the equation. It's a very complex

subject that has kept discussions going on Karma and free will vs. science for

ages and will continue. Actually, Newton and Einstein and other

math/physicists/ scientists of their generation, and before as of today, are

often very religious/spiritual people. They are a small group in the

scientific