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Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once in

a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho, USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women is

going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right hand

side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I share

a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I also

read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery would

have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every once

in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A Return

To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn and

lagna(for0.0.00hrs)  as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of  dasa lord,Rahu in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced by

McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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I wonder about the fact that both McCain and Palin have their Moons in

Capricorn on Obama's Lagna, Saturn and Jupiter. Given the eclipse points

being on the same axis it does appear as if this election is going to not

only hard fought but karmically important as well. I am also planning on

running charts based on the time of the acceptance of the official

nominations--just for research.

 

Depending on the time of birth Palin could have Mars exalted in Capricorn or

in the early degrees of Aquarius, McCain has debilitated Mars while Obama's

Leo Mars is as weak in degree as Palin's. America has such a history of

blood and violence--along with the fact that Mars may be the dasa at the

time of the election--could we be at that point in history where we have to

decide whether to use the Mars energy to rebuild the country or will we

continue along the lines of Mars as the bloody conqueror. There is an

ancient Hopi prediction that states by 2012 humanity will either walk into a

time of peace or will suffer greatly due to war. Such an important and

interesting election.

 

Namaste,

Linda

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that

flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

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" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:25 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming

back normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about

Sarah as a contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn

and lagna(for0.0.00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly

gives indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu

in 9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin

Rahu -Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time...I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for

my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My

heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on

a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what

is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain's

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth chart does

not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date - February 11, 1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit

of

Nov. 4th 2008 - Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose

to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my

elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research

on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let

me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection

of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also

the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity

gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new

destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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Welcome back,Uttara!!

 

Its great to have you back and contributing.

Its always a pleasure to read your posts.

 

God bless you,

 

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya , Uttara <muttaraphalguni

wrote:

>

> Hello,

> to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

>

> It

> has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone.

Every once in a great while I key in to see

> what is up. I am sure that those who

> know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health

matters and

> energy.

> There

> are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and

prayers for my

> welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was

and have

> been at my lowest. The power of prayer

> and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all.

My heartfelt THANKS to so many for your

> carrying and allegiance to me. As an

> inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be

assured that on a

> occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

> email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast

as to what is

> going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

>

> Today,

> I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for

McCain's

> presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential

candidacy

> but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth

chart does not

> have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth

details with a

> 00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint,

Idaho, USA

> and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the

transit of

> Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that

this women is going places whether or not she

> becomes V.P. of USA.

>

> I

> will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

>

> AS

> an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

> read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at

the right hand side of the Lord.

>

> Krishna,

> I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your

hand. May I share a little of my own hand wrist

> problems. A few years ago I injured my

> hand from over work and extension. My

> surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable

pain, but I also read that most injuries take 3 to

> 4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory.

Surgery would have a recuperation period of

> 4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be

healed. I chose to not have surgery and guess what,

> within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since

then every once in awhile when I over

> do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm

to my elbow

> for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

>

> Also,

> Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were

doing research on

> the heredity of charts within families from one generation to

another. Let me so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you

are continuing with your

> research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one

remembers

> that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a

reflection of

> not only their parents character and what the child is born into

but also the

> circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily what is done to us. In other words each birth chart

takes on our

> heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning

of

> self. So, often we want to blame our

> ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our

thoughts and

> actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our

heredity gives

> us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a

new destiny.

>

> Thanks

> again everyone, I am doing well for the

> moment. I have ridden quite a few

> turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery

this Fall.

>

> Congrats,

> Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and

warmly welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly

express it in a generous,

> unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of

seniors here

> who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

>

> Fondly

> to all,

> Uttara

>

> " Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing

enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure

around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give

other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from

our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

>

>

>

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Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years back!

I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific, traceable

link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched the tip of the

iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope one day I will be

successful.  Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes. I was able to

provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II diabetes. Also,

recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article was published in the

latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I will soon upload it on

my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has

a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart........

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon there on

my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current children's

DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of attentiveness. Now, one has

to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the food taken in or how life is

lived these days with so much machinery and electronics doing the work for us.

Even our agriculture is computerized and machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's more

the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global modernazation of

civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A Return

To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years back!

I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific, traceable

link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched the tip of the

iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope one day I will be

successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes. I was able to

provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II diabetes. Also,

recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article was published in the

latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I will soon upload it on

my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a Libra

Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's birth

chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A Return

To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn and

lagna(for0.0.00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced by

McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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Dear Group members,

Interesting thread.Has all significance embedded not only in the great science

of Astrology.

but also in the ways we have adopted to suit to the place and changing culture.

The soul purpose as Mrs Uttara has been discussing about the motives and social

living in the changed circumastances and navigate too accordingly as dictated

otherwise destined to achieve/attain our objectives.

 We make a bit of effort with the intention to hold the radar(of life) and

propel things.Then look to dasas and the planets with folded hands and bowing

down in faith to achieve what we want.Ofcourse karmas of the present and also

carry forward if any have also to be faced.

This is what probably purports continuity of lifes and the relations we have

with our fathers mothers and down the line with our progeny.All events simply

carved out to decipher by one who can look into past and then also forecast

future.The soul as represented by SUN and the epoch, are all meaningful if only

we are able to decode successfully and adopt ourselves.

In the age of technology and modern medicine,the importance of DNA and the

genetic patterns contests with the value sciences which answer for advanced

developments.But the need and preparedness to understand these traditional

sciences in the present day environment, needs lot to be explained involving

labour.Couple of Indian Astrologers in some of the Astro magzines made passing

references to DNA and yet need to be cleared for detailed approach.

vrkrishnan

--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:48 PM

 

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart........

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/venus(pratyantar).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest to

be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal

position as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and enables

dasa lord to do better.

I could find  navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th. 

 In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated..In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like

obama/Biden however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive

hope.So we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her selection

as running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn and

lagna(for0.0.00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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Dear Uttara,

 

Thanks for bringing out the research report on evolution. The new revelation is

very interesting. It is our group karma that is contributing the changes to our

environment/attitudes/preferences that we are welcomed into during our next

birth.

 

Also, while talking about DNA that we inherit from our parents, I believe that

our natal chart is another view of our DNA. Science has already proven that we

inherit DNA from our parents. And, hence I believe that we inherit the planetary

positions in our charts from our parent's charts as well. This is the basis for

my research on this topic.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 12:18 AM

 

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart........

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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This is a bit of a crazy time for me so I've not been able to study the

charts deeply. I'm not sure if those who are trying to zero in on Palin's

lagna are in America or not so I'm not sure that you've heard her

speak....her voice modulation is horrible and it can be unpleasant to hear

her speak...perhaps we need to look at her second house for voice as one of

the clues?

 

Linda

 

 

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that

flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

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" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:15 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/venus(pratyantar).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest

to be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal

position as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and

enables dasa lord to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated..In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like

obama/Biden however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive

hope.So we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her

selection as running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis

in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and

reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to

Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and

Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not

invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure

possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming

back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah

as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn

and

lagna(for0.0.00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly

gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu

in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin

Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time...I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for

my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My

heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on

a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what

is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain's

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth chart does

not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date - February 11, 1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit

of

Nov. 4th 2008 - Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose

to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my

elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research

on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let

me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection

of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also

the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity

gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new

destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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what we hear from media is that even Mc Cainn gambled with her nomination and he

also spoke to her only once before taking decision to offer the candidature.Not

a prominent one except as holding the public position

In sun sign/ also rasi,mercury with mars and in 2nd from there saturn in airy

sign of aquarius with  it's lord saturn (in rahu;s constellation)could have lead

to an unpleasent modulation of voice?

can you give some lead about her fourth house(from libra as ascendant

ofcourse) as it is surrounded(papkartari) by malefics? to have a proper

assessment of her personality.By looks in her features she gives impression as

Libra/

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Linda Callanan <annaicenter wrote:

 

Linda Callanan <annaicenter

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 11:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

This is a bit of a crazy time for me so I've not been able to study the

charts deeply. I'm not sure if those who are trying to zero in on Palin's

lagna are in America or not so I'm not sure that you've heard her

speak....her voice modulation is horrible and it can be unpleasant to hear

her speak...perhaps we need to look at her second house for voice as one of

the clues?

 

Linda

 

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that

flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:15 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/ venus(pratyantar ).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest

to be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal

position as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and

enables dasa lord to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated. .In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like

obama/Biden however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive

hope.So we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her

selection as running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis

in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and

reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to

Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and

Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not

invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure

possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming

back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah

as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn

and

lagna(for0.0. 00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly

gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu

in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin

Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time...I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for

my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My

heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on

a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what

is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain's

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth chart does

not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date - February 11, 1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit

of

Nov. 4th 2008 - Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose

to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my

elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research

on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let

me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection

of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also

the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity

gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new

destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Hi Vrkrishnan,

 

Hopefully, by next Monday the current round of family craziness will be over and

I'll have an opportunity for some quiet study....Polin's mother-in-law gave an

interview in which she said she does not believe her daughter-in-law is ready

for the job and that she (mother-in-law) is leaning towards

Obama....mother-in-law is 10th (?)--fourth house from seventh---I'm not sure of

the " official " house of mother-in-law but it does appear that her personal

traits as well as family situation is going to be useful in trying to be a

sleuth for her lagna.

 

Another thing that I'm looking at is the similiarity of sign axis in Obama,

McCain and Palin's charts....Biden on the other hand is coming from a Mars

strength....Scorpio Sun, Aries Moon...very interesting stuff and I'm ever

fascinated by the nodal points in transit on this entire election.

 

Namaste,

Linda

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow,

life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

vattem krishnan

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:41 PM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Hello,

what we hear from media is that even Mc Cainn gambled with her nomination and

he also spoke to her only once before taking decision to offer the

candidature.Not a prominent one except as holding the public position

In sun sign/ also rasi,mercury with mars and in 2nd from there saturn in airy

sign of aquarius with it's lord saturn (in rahu;s constellation)could have lead

to an unpleasent modulation of voice?

can you give some lead about her fourth house(from libra as ascendant

ofcourse) as it is surrounded(papkartari) by malefics? to have a proper

assessment of her personality.By looks in her features she gives impression as

Libra/

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Linda Callanan <annaicenter wrote:

 

Linda Callanan <annaicenter

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 11:39 AM

 

Hi,

 

This is a bit of a crazy time for me so I've not been able to study the

charts deeply. I'm not sure if those who are trying to zero in on Palin's

lagna are in America or not so I'm not sure that you've heard her

speak....her voice modulation is horrible and it can be unpleasant to hear

her speak...perhaps we need to look at her second house for voice as one of

the clues?

 

Linda

 

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that

flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:15 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/ venus(pratyantar ).on the d day

.Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest

to be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal

position as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and

enables dasa lord to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated. .In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like

obama/Biden however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive

hope.So we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her

selection as running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis

in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and

reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to

Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and

Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not

invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure

possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming

back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah

as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn

and

lagna(for0.0. 00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly

gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu

in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin

Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time...I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for

my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My

heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on

a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what

is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain's

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth chart does

not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date - February 11, 1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit

of

Nov. 4th 2008 - Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose

to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my

elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research

on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let

me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection

of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also

the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity

gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new

destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

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Not only voice, but eyes, she wears glasses on a regular bases vs. contacts. I

am guessing this is because her shape of cornea are irregular for contacts and

too her eyes might need a better correction with glasses not to mention if she

is sensitive or allergic to the materials of contacts or just has very sensitive

eyes to irritants.

 

Also, other clues to narrow down - before I list in a another post, dates of

some of her accomplishments and life events - is her private business in

fishing, her adventurous spirit out in the wide, her own hunting (Mars) of

caribou and rabbit and deep water fishing. (Pisces) Her competition in other

activities as sports - ie: Basketball - very (Mars);

 

Her ability to be sincerely charming in a one on one interaction, while holding

her own. Much like Jackie Kennedy Onassis - who had this great ability to make

whoever she interacted with on a one on one to feel like they were the most

important person in the world and that what they had to say was important and

valid - all the while not giving up her own stature and beliefs and forthright

opinions. Those are Taurus and Libra qualities.

They are also very much Scorpio. Attractive, dark haired, charming, sexually

demur (have you seen pictures of Gov Palin with her hair down?) but a reservoir

of power and cutting underneath.

 

Also, her ability to be well schooled in speaking. She is the only one out of

the four candidates that can speak from a podium with out teleprompters, or

incessantly looking down at her notes to read as she speaks to her audience.

She scans her notes at an appropriate pause or applause and then delivers her

message with conviction all the while looking at her audience and moving her

head to connect with them from all sides. I am not sure if i agree about her

voice modulation, but I do agree that we should seriously look to the second

house for her speaking abilities.

 

Mrs./Gov. Palin is a fighter and an innovator. I would also add that Virgo

would play an important role here too for her exactness. Also a Virgo Lagna

would make her Capricorn her 5th house of self creation and children. This

women is a worker, her children I am guessing, are her little corporation. Her

ability to go back to work three days after giving birth not only is a WOW but

also shows her commitment to her work and probably where she feels most

comfortable when not relaxing with her family. Taurus shows this commitment to

their work also.

 

It is interesting that most of her planets are in Capricorn (if born before

13:23). It highlights her business ethics and religious beliefs and commitment

to a Christian faith along with a conservatism to pro-life.

 

Hopefully these clues among others that members question or list, will help

determine Lagna.

I have scoured the Internet and as of yet her birth time has not been released.

 

I will post biography and event stats with dates in another post here.

 

In the meantime, it might be helpful to have the following: Time Zone 6 (DST)

Sedona, Arizona, USA, Thursday, August 28th, 2008 at 11:00:00 - Mrs/Gov Sarah

Palin met with Senator McCain at his home in Sedona and was officially invited

by McCain to be his V.P. running mate.

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A Return

To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

Linda Callanan <annaicenter

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:39:39 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Hi,

 

This is a bit of a crazy time for me so I've not been able to study the

charts deeply. I'm not sure if those who are trying to zero in on Palin's

lagna are in America or not so I'm not sure that you've heard her

speak....her voice modulation is horrible and it can be unpleasant to hear

her speak...perhaps we need to look at her second house for voice as one of

the clues?

 

Linda

 

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that

flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:15 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/ venus(pratyantar ).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest

to be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal

position as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and

enables dasa lord to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated. .In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like

obama/Biden however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive

hope.So we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her

selection as running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis

in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and

reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to

Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and

Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not

invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure

possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming

back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah

as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn

and

lagna(for0.0. 00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly

gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu

in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin

Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time...I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for

my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My

heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on

a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what

is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain's

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth chart does

not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date - February 11, 1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit

of

Nov. 4th 2008 - Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose

to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my

elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research

on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let

me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection

of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also

the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity

gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new

destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Hi Vattem,

I see that are calculations are not matching. For knowledge, I am using the

following data:

2/11/1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho USA - Time Zone 8 (West of GMT) 116 w 33' 08 " , 48

n 16' 36 "

birth Dasha - SU JU VE

4 Nov 2008 - JU/ME/RA/Su(Pratyantar)

Su(pratyantar) from my computer calculations is showing in effect from 10/30

-11/05/08

My calculations are showing me the Ve(pratyantar) will run from 10/10 - 10/30/08

I am using JHora 7.0.

 

Please advise.

 

Thanks, Uttara

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A Return

To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:15:56 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/venus(pratyantar).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest to

be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal position

as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and enables dasa lord

to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated..In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like obama/Biden

however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive hope.So

we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her selection as

running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn and

lagna(for0.0.00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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Linda, yes - a Capricorn lagna is a strong contender too. with Aquarius (voice)

as second hse.

as you put forth. The houses line up nicely with a Capricorn lagna. This woman

as I mentioned in my first post on the subject has a strong chart in many areas

and is a serious contender. With hard work and well earned accomplishments,

tenacity and opportunities of doors opening up for her, She is going places

whether she is V.P. or not and makes for a great chart to study in and of itself

with all its pluses and minuses :-).

Uttara

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A Return

To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:50:04 PM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Not only voice, but eyes, she wears glasses on a regular bases vs. contacts. I

am guessing this is because her shape of cornea are irregular for contacts and

too her eyes might need a better correction with glasses not to mention if she

is sensitive or allergic to the materials of contacts or just has very sensitive

eyes to irritants.

 

Also, other clues to narrow down - before I list in a another post, dates of

some of her accomplishments and life events - is her private business in

fishing, her adventurous spirit out in the wide, her own hunting (Mars) of

caribou and rabbit and deep water fishing. (Pisces) Her competition in other

activities as sports - ie: Basketball - very (Mars);

 

Her ability to be sincerely charming in a one on one interaction, while holding

her own. Much like Jackie Kennedy Onassis - who had this great ability to make

whoever she interacted with on a one on one to feel like they were the most

important person in the world and that what they had to say was important and

valid - all the while not giving up her own stature and beliefs and forthright

opinions. Those are Taurus and Libra qualities.

They are also very much Scorpio. Attractive, dark haired, charming, sexually

demur (have you seen pictures of Gov Palin with her hair down?) but a reservoir

of power and cutting underneath.

 

Also, her ability to be well schooled in speaking. She is the only one out of

the four candidates that can speak from a podium with out teleprompters, or

incessantly looking down at her notes to read as she speaks to her audience.

She scans her notes at an appropriate pause or applause and then delivers her

message with conviction all the while looking at her audience and moving her

head to connect with them from all sides. I am not sure if i agree about her

voice modulation, but I do agree that we should seriously look to the second

house for her speaking abilities.

 

Mrs./Gov. Palin is a fighter and an innovator. I would also add that Virgo

would play an important role here too for her exactness. Also a Virgo Lagna

would make her Capricorn her 5th house of self creation and children. This

women is a worker, her children I am guessing, are her little corporation. Her

ability to go back to work three days after giving birth not only is a WOW but

also shows her commitment to her work and probably where she feels most

comfortable when not relaxing with her family. Taurus shows this commitment to

their work also.

 

It is interesting that most of her planets are in Capricorn (if born before

13:23). It highlights her business ethics and religious beliefs and commitment

to a Christian faith along with a conservatism to pro-life.

 

Hopefully these clues among others that members question or list, will help

determine Lagna.

I have scoured the Internet and as of yet her birth time has not been released.

 

I will post biography and event stats with dates in another post here.

 

In the meantime, it might be helpful to have the following: Time Zone 6 (DST)

Sedona, Arizona, USA, Thursday, August 28th, 2008 at 11:00:00 - Mrs/Gov Sarah

Palin met with Senator McCain at his home in Sedona and was officially invited

by McCain to be his V.P. running mate.

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are

powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens

us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel

insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our

presence automatically liberates others. " from A Return To Love: by Marianne

Williamson

 

 

Linda Callanan <annaicenter@ verizon.net>

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:39:39 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hi,

 

This is a bit of a crazy time for me so I've not been able to study the

charts deeply. I'm not sure if those who are trying to zero in on Palin's

lagna are in America or not so I'm not sure that you've heard her

speak....her voice modulation is horrible and it can be unpleasant to hear

her speak...perhaps we need to look at her second house for voice as one of

the clues?

 

Linda

 

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that

flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:15 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/ venus(pratyantar ).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest

to be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal

position as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and

enables dasa lord to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated. .In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like

obama/Biden however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive

hope.So we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her

selection as running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis

in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and

reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to

Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and

Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not

invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure

possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming

back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah

as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn

and

lagna(for0.0. 00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly

gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu

in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin

Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time...I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for

my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My

heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on

a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what

is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain's

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth chart does

not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date - February 11, 1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit

of

Nov. 4th 2008 - Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose

to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my

elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research

on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let

me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection

of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also

the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity

gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new

destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Hi Uttara,

Fortunately we r using Jhora for her natal chart and for her transit,I

tenatively applied JJ and gives for 4th Nov,as sun dasa.

For her natal chart it is venus sookshma dasa till 16th Nov in the phsae

of:ju/Mer/rahu.All other coordinates also have to be workrd out for more

precision to base the calculations particularly for transit position on 4-11-08

and the comparitive position.In the mean time let's also figure out her natal

ascendant,as it is crucila factor.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 2:07 PM

 

Hi Vattem,

I see that are calculations are not matching. For knowledge, I am using the

following data:

2/11/1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho USA - Time Zone 8 (West of GMT) 116 w 33'

08 " , 48 n 16' 36 "

birth Dasha - SU JU VE

4 Nov 2008 - JU/ME/RA/Su(Pratyantar)

Su(pratyantar) from my computer calculations is showing in effect from 10/30

-11/05/08

My calculations are showing me the Ve(pratyantar) will run from 10/10 -

10/30/08

I am using JHora 7.0.

 

Please advise.

 

Thanks, Uttara

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:15:56 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/venus(pratyantar).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest to

be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal position

as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and enables dasa lord

to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated..In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like obama/Biden

however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive hope.So

we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her selection as

running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and

reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah as

a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn and

lagna(for0.0.00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya!!!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya!!

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

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Hello Linda,

A family member intimate to palun has some reason and again astrologically4/10

axis is the factor that might be standing as for her expression.But that 10th

also is significant for governace and the white house.This angle is most vital

for us to know the events that are likely to come around 4th of

Nov.Uncertainities at the time of elections from mundane point of view are also

being felt/perceived.May be group members might be taking into consideration of

transit factors.

namaskars

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Linda Callanan <annaicenter wrote:

 

Linda Callanan <annaicenter

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:57 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Vrkrishnan,

 

Hopefully, by next Monday the current round of family craziness will be over and

I'll have an opportunity for some quiet study....Polin' s mother-in-law gave an

interview in which she said she does not believe her daughter-in- law is ready

for the job and that she (mother-in-law) is leaning towards Obama....mother-

in-law is 10th (?)--fourth house from seventh---I' m not sure of the " official "

house of mother-in-law but it does appear that her personal traits as well as

family situation is going to be useful in trying to be a sleuth for her lagna.

 

Another thing that I'm looking at is the similiarity of sign axis in Obama,

McCain and Palin's charts....Biden on the other hand is coming from a Mars

strength.... Scorpio Sun, Aries Moon...very interesting stuff and I'm ever

fascinated by the nodal points in transit on this entire election.

 

Namaste,

Linda

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow,

life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

vattem krishnan

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:41 PM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello,

what we hear from media is that even Mc Cainn gambled with her nomination and he

also spoke to her only once before taking decision to offer the candidature. Not

a prominent one except as holding the public position

In sun sign/ also rasi,mercury with mars and in 2nd from there saturn in airy

sign of aquarius with it's lord saturn (in rahu;s constellation) could have lead

to an unpleasent modulation of voice?

can you give some lead about her fourth house(from libra as ascendant ofcourse)

as it is surrounded(papkarta ri) by malefics? to have a proper assessment of her

personality. By looks in her features she gives impression as Libra/

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Linda Callanan <annaicenter@ verizon.net> wrote:

 

Linda Callanan <annaicenter@ verizon.net>

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 11:39 AM

 

Hi,

 

This is a bit of a crazy time for me so I've not been able to study the

charts deeply. I'm not sure if those who are trying to zero in on Palin's

lagna are in America or not so I'm not sure that you've heard her

speak....her voice modulation is horrible and it can be unpleasant to hear

her speak...perhaps we need to look at her second house for voice as one of

the clues?

 

Linda

 

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that

flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:15 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/ venus(pratyantar ).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest

to be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal

position as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and

enables dasa lord to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated. .In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like

obama/Biden however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive

hope.So we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her

selection as running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis

in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and

reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to

Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and

Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not

invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure

possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming

back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah

as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn

and

lagna(for0.0. 00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly

gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu

in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin

Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time...I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for

my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My

heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on

a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what

is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain's

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth chart does

not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date - February 11, 1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit

of

Nov. 4th 2008 - Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose

to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my

elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research

on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let

me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection

of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also

the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity

gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new

destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Dear Krishna and all,

 

This article below just came across my desk and thought I would share it with

you. It's an interesting pause for contemplation how science and biology can

change how and why we live and how are predestined Karma is carried out.

 

Vattem I don't know how many will want to throw rocks at me but I try in

advising people to look at their birth chart as an opportunity to undue by

choice some negative karma seen currently and advise them on choice for

mitigating or changing for more positive by action, thought and prayer on

selfless ness. Too, to enhance what is positive by doing the same. In other

words I take karma as a current condition and not one that has been stored up

for generations of past living. I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for

most to comprehend their past.

 

However, Karma is there.

 

In regard to developed countries vs others controlled by station or government

power/restrictions and/or labour issues which are very real - along with food,

sanitary conditions and a roof over ones head, I put this also in current

conditions and not something mered in 1000 of yrs of badness to undue, for self

and love ones.. The Karma in these situations are controlled outside of

ourselves and not because of what we have done in the past to deserve such dire

conditions. I guess I would look to the karma of a country to further reason

these plights of oppressions. I do differ in thought in some ways because I was

raised with an attitude of freedom that I could do and be anything I wanted if I

took proper ethical responsible action to my desires. This is probably my

Karma. Maybe some of us are born lucky. I do agree though, that the collective

karma of thought and action has great effect on us as a human population just as

a dehydrated dessert.

But, positively in the dessert life still flourishes in its own way. I always

like to look at wildlife, what separates us from them is a higher developed

brain. So, when I observe them they act out of a sense of an innate survival

instinct. Each generation born follows the patterns of survival from the older

generation and they learn out of that same innate instinct of survival to adapt

to their surroundings or perish.. It can change from season to season or year

to year or century to century etc. I don't think the wildlife in and of itself

feels a karma. it just is.

 

That doesn't sound very religious on my part but I am a very spiritual person.

Karma I can see being worked out from generations say who have suicide in their

past family etc. So, there is a thread of karma that we all carry for duties to

work on.

 

 

Hope all enjoy this article below

 

-------------------------------

 

A 'genetic breakthrough' that can prolong human life?

 

London (PTI): Imagine living to a healthy 125 years. Well, your imagination

might someday turn into reality, thanks to scientists who have made a genetic

breakthrough that they claim can prolong human life and remove cancer threat.

 

A team at the Spanish National Cancer Research Centre in Madrid has based its

conclusion on tests on rodents, which made them live nearly 45 per cent longer

and also left them free from tumours.

 

According to the scientists, if the experiments on the mice can be replicated in

people, human lifespan could also be extended as the genes involved exist

naturally in both rodents and humans and perform similar roles.

 

" The elixir of eternal youth is now not a utopian dream. The discovery opens the

door to (the possibility) that humans could live 125 years and without cancer, "

the 'Daily Mail' quoted lead scientist Maria Blasco as saying.

 

In fact, the scientists achieved their results by inserting an extra copy of

three genes -- called telomerase, p53 and p16, already known to be important for

longevity and suppressing tumours -- into the stem cells of mice.

 

Inserting an extra copy improved their function in the body because they

produced more protein, which made them more active. This in turn helped

telomerase to protect chromosomes from shrinking, a process which normally

happens naturally as all living creatures age.

 

And it means p53 and p16 work to prevent cells from mutating and dividing, and

therefore preventing cancer, while producing a good balance of new, healthy

cells -- the method is " groundbreaking " as the team managed to get extra copies

of both the genes into the mice.

 

The modified mice were allowed to breed to strengthen their new DNA pattern,

which created a group of " supermice " with longer lifespans and in-built cancer

protection.

 

" When activating p53 and p16 in mice, the incidence of cancer is reduced to

practically zero. We don't think the mice lived longer because they had less

cancer but because these genes also protected against ageing, " co-scientist

Manuel Serrano said.

 

The mice are expected to live up to four-and-a-half years though normally their

average lifespan is three years. " This is the equivalent of humans living to

125, " according to the scientists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:07:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

Thanks for bringing out the research report on evolution. The new revelation is

very interesting. It is our group karma that is contributing the changes to our

environment/ attitudes/ preferences that we are welcomed into during our next

birth.

 

Also, while talking about DNA that we inherit from our parents, I believe that

our natal chart is another view of our DNA. Science has already proven that we

inherit DNA from our parents. And, hence I believe that we inherit the planetary

positions in our charts from our parent's charts as well. This is the basis for

my research on this topic.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 12:18 AM

 

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart....... .

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Dear All,

Human trials as free will actions have always a place and may be it brings some

fun and enjoyment.The scientific exercise cited by you really makes us in a way

proud too as human discoveries have any limit.If so " who is that " who can

explain any limit for our efforts and the rewards that is bestowed may be a

pleasure or may be a sorrow and may be a noble one that is capable to change the

order.

So we have Plutos,Newtons and even for that matter Sankaracharyas too. 

As students of Astrology we have faithfully accepted vedic conventions and

agreed not to accord any higher pedestal for emerging scinces and the

technology,eventually likely to overtake humanity.It is  really the human

endeavour that brings laurels and distinguishes personalities.

Then it is not easy to pulverise the idea that such distinctions are due to past

karmas.

In Psychology how ever we know in existential mode work for the sake name and

fame.where as in our field we attribute to the past,beleieving our birth and the

ultimate lifeless state as death are not mere happenings.taking place

randomly.we have established continuity in birth as well as death through a fine

thread of Karma of the past.So the biological life is once over we now look to

ashes and immeterial thigs.Scintific inventions now  put life upto 125 years to

day and who knows our grand grand talk of of more number of years than the

ceiling laid by vimshottari das systemIn the process " how and why we live and how

are predestined Karma is carried out " .

we are coming to recognise human endeavours and ready to get convinced that the

human intellect(if we can still beleieve as the gift of Almighty/sper human

being) is capable to grow with science and chnage the social order.

Probably the Human ego,rather confidence that allow us not to think of past and

Karmas as the responsible element.No wonder in the process we do not hesitate " I

find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for most to comprehend their past. "

In case the modern world as it is seen to today happened to be the same some

thousands of years ago,it would have been://that the collective karma of thought

and action has great effect on us as a human population just as a dehydrated

dessert//

As the human inventions are changing the order of the society,we are becoming

more and more insecure as there is nothing the human intellect can not

comprehend and replicate>yet we still cling as a dehydrated desert to the past

actions and karmas<

What ever may be great heights the humans endeavour,it is their greatness yet to

confess that we are all persons of past to carry out different actions to

glorify the tribe as long as our biological actives can be sustained through

scinetific developments and growth.

So let us as an insecure and hesistant human being and ignoring what science can

do and can not do ,it most safe if only we ontinue to live the thought:there is

a thread of karma that we all carry for duties to work on.

vrrkishnan

 

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 4:29 AM

 

Dear Krishna and all,

 

This article below just came across my desk and thought I would share it with

you. It's an interesting pause for contemplation how science and biology

can change how and why we live and how are predestined Karma is carried out.

 

Vattem I don't know how many will want to throw rocks at me but I try in

advising people to look at their birth chart as an opportunity to undue by

choice some negative karma seen currently and advise them on choice for

mitigating or changing for more positive by action, thought and prayer on

selfless ness. Too, to enhance what is positive by doing the same. In other

words I take karma as a current condition and not one that has been stored up

for generations of past living. I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for

most to comprehend their past.

 

However, Karma is there.

 

In regard to developed countries vs others controlled by station or government

power/restrictions and/or labour issues which are very real - along with food,

sanitary conditions and a roof over ones head, I put this also in current

conditions and not something mered in 1000 of yrs of badness to undue, for self

and love ones.. The Karma in these situations are controlled outside of

ourselves and not because of what we have done in the past to deserve such dire

conditions. I guess I would look to the karma of a country to further reason

these plights of oppressions. I do differ in thought in some ways because I was

raised with an attitude of freedom that I could do and be anything I wanted if I

took proper ethical responsible action to my desires. This is probably my

Karma. Maybe some of us are born lucky. I do agree though, that the collective

karma of thought and action has great effect on us as a human population just as

a dehydrated dessert.

But, positively in the dessert life still flourishes in its own way. I always

like to look at wildlife, what separates us from them is a higher developed

brain. So, when I observe them they act out of a sense of an innate survival

instinct. Each generation born follows the patterns of survival from the older

generation and they learn out of that same innate instinct of survival to adapt

to their surroundings or perish.. It can change from season to season or year

to year or century to century etc. I don't think the wildlife in and of

itself feels a karma. it just is.

 

That doesn't sound very religious on my part but I am a very spiritual

person. Karma I can see being worked out from generations say who have suicide

in their past family etc. So, there is a thread of karma that we all carry for

duties to work on.

 

 

Hope all enjoy this article below

 

-------------------------------

 

A 'genetic breakthrough' that can prolong human life?

 

London (PTI): Imagine living to a healthy 125 years. Well, your imagination

might someday turn into reality, thanks to scientists who have made a genetic

breakthrough that they claim can prolong human life and remove cancer threat.

 

A team at the Spanish National Cancer Research Centre in Madrid has based its

conclusion on tests on rodents, which made them live nearly 45 per cent longer

and also left them free from tumours.

 

According to the scientists, if the experiments on the mice can be replicated

in people, human lifespan could also be extended as the genes involved exist

naturally in both rodents and humans and perform similar roles.

 

" The elixir of eternal youth is now not a utopian dream. The discovery

opens the door to (the possibility) that humans could live 125 years and without

cancer, " the 'Daily Mail' quoted lead scientist Maria Blasco as

saying.

 

In fact, the scientists achieved their results by inserting an extra copy of

three genes -- called telomerase, p53 and p16, already known to be important for

longevity and suppressing tumours -- into the stem cells of mice.

 

Inserting an extra copy improved their function in the body because they

produced more protein, which made them more active. This in turn helped

telomerase to protect chromosomes from shrinking, a process which normally

happens naturally as all living creatures age.

 

And it means p53 and p16 work to prevent cells from mutating and dividing, and

therefore preventing cancer, while producing a good balance of new, healthy

cells -- the method is " groundbreaking " as the team managed to get

extra copies of both the genes into the mice.

 

The modified mice were allowed to breed to strengthen their new DNA pattern,

which created a group of " supermice " with longer lifespans and

in-built cancer protection.

 

" When activating p53 and p16 in mice, the incidence of cancer is reduced

to practically zero. We don't think the mice lived longer because they had

less cancer but because these genes also protected against ageing, "

co-scientist Manuel Serrano said.

 

The mice are expected to live up to four-and-a-half years though normally their

average lifespan is three years. " This is the equivalent of humans living

to 125, " according to the scientists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:07:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

Thanks for bringing out the research report on evolution. The new revelation is

very interesting. It is our group karma that is contributing the changes to our

environment/ attitudes/ preferences that we are welcomed into during our next

birth.

 

Also, while talking about DNA that we inherit from our parents, I believe that

our natal chart is another view of our DNA. Science has already proven that we

inherit DNA from our parents. And, hence I believe that we inherit the planetary

positions in our charts from our parent's charts as well. This is the basis

for my research on this topic.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 12:18 AM

 

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart.......

..

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon

there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in

USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global

modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope

one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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To All,

 

Fascinating thread Vattem. Thank you for your insightful contribution here on

the subject of karma vs. science.

I came across a quote a few days ago that said - " We are the whole of a tribe -

change the tribe and it changes you. " This quote came from an indigenous Indian

tribe's philosophy of religious belief who live deep in the rain forest.

Interesting. This quote also reminds me of Newton's law. " For every action

there is a reaction " . But Newton's theory is a modern day scientific reasoning

that is based on physics only.

But as you say, Karma is the essence of our soul to purify, to gain a rewarding

afterlife with Krishna. DNA is science, although the soul and its purpose of

life, is a higher octave of transcending that can be traced in our birth charts.

 

Uttara

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A Return

To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:21:18 AM

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announced by McCain

 

Dear All,

Human trials as free will actions have always a place and may be it brings some

fun and enjoyment.The scientific exercise cited by you really makes us in a way

proud too as human discoveries have any limit.If so " who is that " who can

explain any limit for our efforts and the rewards that is bestowed may be a

pleasure or may be a sorrow and may be a noble one that is capable to change the

order.

So we have Plutos,Newtons and even for that matter Sankaracharyas too.

As students of Astrology we have faithfully accepted vedic conventions and

agreed not to accord any higher pedestal for emerging scinces and the

technology,eventually likely to overtake humanity.It is really the human

endeavour that brings laurels and distinguishes personalities.

Then it is not easy to pulverise the idea that such distinctions are due to past

karmas.

In Psychology how ever we know in existential mode work for the sake name and

fame.where as in our field we attribute to the past,beleieving our birth and the

ultimate lifeless state as death are not mere happenings.taking place

randomly.we have established continuity in birth as well as death through a fine

thread of Karma of the past.So the biological life is once over we now look to

ashes and immeterial thigs.Scintific inventions now put life upto 125 years to

day and who knows our grand grand talk of of more number of years than the

ceiling laid by vimshottari das systemIn the process " how and why we live and how

are predestined Karma is carried out " .

we are coming to recognise human endeavours and ready to get convinced that the

human intellect(if we can still beleieve as the gift of Almighty/sper human

being) is capable to grow with science and chnage the social order.

Probably the Human ego,rather confidence that allow us not to think of past and

Karmas as the responsible element.No wonder in the process we do not hesitate " I

find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for most to comprehend their past. "

In case the modern world as it is seen to today happened to be the same some

thousands of years ago,it would have been://that the collective karma of thought

and action has great effect on us as a human population just as a dehydrated

dessert//

As the human inventions are changing the order of the society,we are becoming

more and more insecure as there is nothing the human intellect can not

comprehend and replicate>yet we still cling as a dehydrated desert to the past

actions and karmas<

What ever may be great heights the humans endeavour,it is their greatness yet to

confess that we are all persons of past to carry out different actions to

glorify the tribe as long as our biological actives can be sustained through

scinetific developments and growth.

So let us as an insecure and hesistant human being and ignoring what science can

do and can not do ,it most safe if only we ontinue to live the thought:there is

a thread of karma that we all carry for duties to work on.

vrrkishnan

 

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Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 4:29 AM

 

Dear Krishna and all,

 

This article below just came across my desk and thought I would share it with

you. It's an interesting pause for contemplation how science and biology

can change how and why we live and how are predestined Karma is carried out.

 

Vattem I don't know how many will want to throw rocks at me but I try in

advising people to look at their birth chart as an opportunity to undue by

choice some negative karma seen currently and advise them on choice for

mitigating or changing for more positive by action, thought and prayer on

selfless ness. Too, to enhance what is positive by doing the same. In other

words I take karma as a current condition and not one that has been stored up

for generations of past living. I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for

most to comprehend their past.

 

However, Karma is there.

 

In regard to developed countries vs others controlled by station or government

power/restrictions and/or labour issues which are very real - along with food,

sanitary conditions and a roof over ones head, I put this also in current

conditions and not something mered in 1000 of yrs of badness to undue, for self

and love ones.. The Karma in these situations are controlled outside of

ourselves and not because of what we have done in the past to deserve such dire

conditions. I guess I would look to the karma of a country to further reason

these plights of oppressions. I do differ in thought in some ways because I was

raised with an attitude of freedom that I could do and be anything I wanted if I

took proper ethical responsible action to my desires. This is probably my

Karma. Maybe some of us are born lucky. I do agree though, that the collective

karma of thought and action has great effect on us as a human population just as

a dehydrated dessert.

But, positively in the dessert life still flourishes in its own way. I always

like to look at wildlife, what separates us from them is a higher developed

brain. So, when I observe them they act out of a sense of an innate survival

instinct. Each generation born follows the patterns of survival from the older

generation and they learn out of that same innate instinct of survival to adapt

to their surroundings or perish.. It can change from season to season or year

to year or century to century etc. I don't think the wildlife in and of

itself feels a karma. it just is.

 

That doesn't sound very religious on my part but I am a very spiritual

person. Karma I can see being worked out from generations say who have suicide

in their past family etc. So, there is a thread of karma that we all carry for

duties to work on.

 

 

Hope all enjoy this article below

 

-------------------------------

 

A 'genetic breakthrough' that can prolong human life?

 

London (PTI): Imagine living to a healthy 125 years. Well, your imagination

might someday turn into reality, thanks to scientists who have made a genetic

breakthrough that they claim can prolong human life and remove cancer threat.

 

A team at the Spanish National Cancer Research Centre in Madrid has based its

conclusion on tests on rodents, which made them live nearly 45 per cent longer

and also left them free from tumours.

 

According to the scientists, if the experiments on the mice can be replicated

in people, human lifespan could also be extended as the genes involved exist

naturally in both rodents and humans and perform similar roles.

 

" The elixir of eternal youth is now not a utopian dream. The discovery

opens the door to (the possibility) that humans could live 125 years and without

cancer, " the 'Daily Mail' quoted lead scientist Maria Blasco as

saying.

 

In fact, the scientists achieved their results by inserting an extra copy of

three genes -- called telomerase, p53 and p16, already known to be important for

longevity and suppressing tumours -- into the stem cells of mice.

 

Inserting an extra copy improved their function in the body because they

produced more protein, which made them more active. This in turn helped

telomerase to protect chromosomes from shrinking, a process which normally

happens naturally as all living creatures age.

 

And it means p53 and p16 work to prevent cells from mutating and dividing, and

therefore preventing cancer, while producing a good balance of new, healthy

cells -- the method is " groundbreaking " as the team managed to get

extra copies of both the genes into the mice.

 

The modified mice were allowed to breed to strengthen their new DNA pattern,

which created a group of " supermice " with longer lifespans and

in-built cancer protection.

 

" When activating p53 and p16 in mice, the incidence of cancer is reduced

to practically zero. We don't think the mice lived longer because they had

less cancer but because these genes also protected against ageing, "

co-scientist Manuel Serrano said.

 

The mice are expected to live up to four-and-a-half years though normally their

average lifespan is three years. " This is the equivalent of humans living

to 125, " according to the scientists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:07:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

Thanks for bringing out the research report on evolution. The new revelation is

very interesting. It is our group karma that is contributing the changes to our

environment/ attitudes/ preferences that we are welcomed into during our next

birth.

 

Also, while talking about DNA that we inherit from our parents, I believe that

our natal chart is another view of our DNA. Science has already proven that we

inherit DNA from our parents. And, hence I believe that we inherit the planetary

positions in our charts from our parent's charts as well. This is the basis

for my research on this topic.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 12:18 AM

 

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart.......

..

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon

there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in

USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global

modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope

one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Hi Linda,

You said nodal points in this election are fascinating.can we have some idea how

with reference to birth chart of US would figure out on these personalities

willing to take the reigns of a great country known for optimism.

on Nov4th Moon in uttarashdha of sun'sasterism in fiery sign,at the end of the

day transits to capricorn too.sun in swati in libra(?) has also a nodal

relation.let's hope these transitory ultimately deicides the stakes of all these

figures locked in fierece contest

vrkrishnan

 

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jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:57 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Vrkrishnan,

 

Hopefully, by next Monday the current round of family craziness will be over and

I'll have an opportunity for some quiet study....Polin' s mother-in-law gave an

interview in which she said she does not believe her daughter-in- law is ready

for the job and that she (mother-in-law) is leaning towards Obama....mother-

in-law is 10th (?)--fourth house from seventh---I' m not sure of the " official "

house of mother-in-law but it does appear that her personal traits as well as

family situation is going to be useful in trying to be a sleuth for her lagna.

 

Another thing that I'm looking at is the similiarity of sign axis in Obama,

McCain and Palin's charts....Biden on the other hand is coming from a Mars

strength.... Scorpio Sun, Aries Moon...very interesting stuff and I'm ever

fascinated by the nodal points in transit on this entire election.

 

Namaste,

Linda

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow,

life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

vattem krishnan

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:41 PM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello,

what we hear from media is that even Mc Cainn gambled with her nomination and he

also spoke to her only once before taking decision to offer the candidature. Not

a prominent one except as holding the public position

In sun sign/ also rasi,mercury with mars and in 2nd from there saturn in airy

sign of aquarius with it's lord saturn (in rahu;s constellation) could have lead

to an unpleasent modulation of voice?

can you give some lead about her fourth house(from libra as ascendant ofcourse)

as it is surrounded(papkarta ri) by malefics? to have a proper assessment of her

personality. By looks in her features she gives impression as Libra/

vrkrishnan

 

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Linda Callanan <annaicenter@ verizon.net>

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announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 11:39 AM

 

Hi,

 

This is a bit of a crazy time for me so I've not been able to study the

charts deeply. I'm not sure if those who are trying to zero in on Palin's

lagna are in America or not so I'm not sure that you've heard her

speak....her voice modulation is horrible and it can be unpleasant to hear

her speak...perhaps we need to look at her second house for voice as one of

the clues?

 

Linda

 

" Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that

flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar

-

" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:15 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear uttara,

Palin has a very ideal dasa of:Jup/Mer/Rahu/ venus(pratyantar ).on the d day

..Placement of sun,(lagna lord) in 3rd with mars andmercury does not suggest

to be a good indication.

jupiter in 5th in own sign with moon in dhanishta looks to be an ideal

position as the 9th aspect on lagna with saturn there compensates and

enables dasa lord to do better.

I could find navamsa for 0-00-00 hours of 11-02-1964 with exalted saturn in

9th.

In 8th from lagna (virgo)having mars,sun and venus.Here sukshma dasa lord

debilitated. .In navamsa kumbha is raising as ascendant.with sarurn in 9th

perhaps can give the lead.

Probably transit for 4th Nov remains with reference to others like

obama/Biden however is a study that matters a lot.

Mars moving to kumbha where saturn already there affects the inidications

adversely.Stellar lord satabhisha for mars to does not give a positive

hope.So we contend.under the present lot as Libra ascendant since her

selection as running mate could be felt with this sign.

vrkrishnan

 

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Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:25 AM

 

Dear Vattem

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I am getting a Dasha at 0:00:00 birth foe Sarah Palin as Su Ju Ve.

Nov 4th Dasha on birth chart shows as JU ME RA SU

Yes, the concern is there as you say with this 4/10 axis of Rahu Ke with a

Libra Asc Lagna

However, comparing the chart against the USA Transit chart for Nov 4th

and those of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin proves for further research and

study.

I am trying to track down the correct birth time for Sarah Palin.

In the meantime as Linda also pointed out the planet Mars in Sarah Palin's

birth chart does change signs from Cap 29* to

0* Aqu 00' 00.76 at 13:23:00.

The Asc lagna also would show at this time as 18* Ge 59' 04.67

The Asc lagna would then also Conj Rahu at 15* Ge

This would put added emphasis on the Natal KE RA axis against the RA KE axis

in

transit. The transit axis position is 2 and 12 from the natal axis and

reverse

in position.

I am having trouble accepting a GE ASC because it would make Mrs. Palin's

Capricorn the 8th house of a lot of her strength. Even though Mars move to

Aqu

with SA there which proves to be a rebellious innovator in the 9th house and

Ve

exalted and Jup in own house Pisces 10th house. Her personally does not

invoke

a 10th hse career of creative watery ideas.

So, I veto down a Gemini Asc. However, a Taurus or Libra is definitely

favorable.

I am also needing to do more study on the Nov 4th Maha Dasha on Ms Palin's

birthchart vs her Nov 4th transit chart to see where more secure

possibilities

are.

 

I look forward to members viewpoint

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:25:24 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hello!

Uttara ji,

Nice to see you back in the group.Also,recovery from illness and resuming

back

normal activities is a happy moment for the group and the issue about Sarah

as a

contestant for VP

The dob details in the absence of correct tob gives moon sign of capricorn

and

lagna(for0.0. 00hrs) as Libra.

A good fight is expected and there is no wonder finally if she wins in the

contest on 4th Nov.

Saturn in mooltrikona in 5th and exalted venus with jupiter in 6th fairly

gives

indication how the events are likely to take shape up in future.

In the event of change of dasa of dasa to Rahu,palcement of dasa lord,Rahu

in

9th in Aridra constellation too can be consiered as favourable.

If at all any hurdle likely to be there is in gochra as 4/10 houses fallin

Rahu

-Ketu axis.

Here perhaps groups view will be of immense help

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:47 PM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time...I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for

my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My

heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on

a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what

is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain's

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin's birth chart does

not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date - February 11, 1964 - Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit

of

Nov. 4th 2008 - Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose

to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my

elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research

on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let

me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection

of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also

the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not

necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity

gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new

destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that

other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are

liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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That was an interesting quote. Yes, Newton coined the law in the context of

Physics. But, probably he was unaware that such a law is applicable in the

spiritual plane as well and the actions and reactions transcend one life term.

Lot of people think that Karma and Free-will are contradicting entities. But in

fact, Karma is nothing but the free-will exercised in the past! And, only our

free-will available today has the power of countering our past karma. After all,

it was only created by ourselves. However, due to the accumulated Karma, not

everyone will have the same amount of free-will to exercise in the current

birth. If I take an analogy of amount of free-will to the engine power of the

car, some people are born with 200 bhp and some other may be born with just 50

bhp. However, if one does not use what he is born with, a person with 200bhp

engine may not be able to overtake a person with 50 bhp engine because he may

not be pressing the gas peddle

enough (not using all the free-will available). Unfortulately, it is difficult

to get a measure of what we are born with. Hence, it is always better to try our

best, do things to our full potential to use our free-will to the fullest

extent.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Tue, 2/9/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 11:34 PM

 

To All,

 

Fascinating thread Vattem. Thank you for your insightful contribution here on

the subject of karma vs. science.

I came across a quote a few days ago that said - " We are the whole of a

tribe - change the tribe and it changes you. " This quote came from an

indigenous Indian tribe's philosophy of religious belief who live deep in

the rain forest. Interesting. This quote also reminds me of Newton's law.

" For every action there is a reaction " . But Newton's theory is a

modern day scientific reasoning that is based on physics only.

But as you say, Karma is the essence of our soul to purify, to gain a rewarding

afterlife with Krishna. DNA is science, although the soul and its purpose of

life, is a higher octave of transcending that can be traced in our birth charts.

 

 

Uttara

 

 

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:21:18 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear All,

Human trials as free will actions have always a place and may be it brings some

fun and enjoyment.The scientific exercise cited by you really makes us in a way

proud too as human discoveries have any limit.If so " who is that " who

can explain any limit for our efforts and the rewards that is bestowed may be a

pleasure or may be a sorrow and may be a noble one that is capable to change the

order.

So we have Plutos,Newtons and even for that matter Sankaracharyas too.

As students of Astrology we have faithfully accepted vedic conventions and

agreed not to accord any higher pedestal for emerging scinces and the

technology,eventually likely to overtake humanity.It is really the human

endeavour that brings laurels and distinguishes personalities.

Then it is not easy to pulverise the idea that such distinctions are due to

past karmas.

In Psychology how ever we know in existential mode work for the sake name and

fame.where as in our field we attribute to the past,beleieving our birth and the

ultimate lifeless state as death are not mere happenings.taking place

randomly.we have established continuity in birth as well as death through a fine

thread of Karma of the past.So the biological life is once over we now look to

ashes and immeterial thigs.Scintific inventions now put life upto 125 years to

day and who knows our grand grand talk of of more number of years than the

ceiling laid by vimshottari das systemIn the process " how and why we live

and how are predestined Karma is carried out " .

we are coming to recognise human endeavours and ready to get convinced that the

human intellect(if we can still beleieve as the gift of Almighty/sper human

being) is capable to grow with science and chnage the social order.

Probably the Human ego,rather confidence that allow us not to think of past and

Karmas as the responsible element.No wonder in the process we do not

hesitate " I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for most to comprehend

their past. "

In case the modern world as it is seen to today happened to be the same some

thousands of years ago,it would have been://that the collective karma of thought

and action has great effect on us as a human population just as a dehydrated

dessert//

As the human inventions are changing the order of the society,we are becoming

more and more insecure as there is nothing the human intellect can not

comprehend and replicate>yet we still cling as a dehydrated desert to the

past actions and karmas<

What ever may be great heights the humans endeavour,it is their greatness yet

to confess that we are all persons of past to carry out different actions to

glorify the tribe as long as our biological actives can be sustained through

scinetific developments and growth.

So let us as an insecure and hesistant human being and ignoring what science

can do and can not do ,it most safe if only we ontinue to live the thought:there

is a thread of karma that we all carry for duties to work on.

vrrkishnan

 

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 4:29 AM

 

Dear Krishna and all,

 

This article below just came across my desk and thought I would share it with

you. It's an interesting pause for contemplation how science and biology

can change how and why we live and how are predestined Karma is carried out.

 

Vattem I don't know how many will want to throw rocks at me but I try in

advising people to look at their birth chart as an opportunity to undue by

choice some negative karma seen currently and advise them on choice for

mitigating or changing for more positive by action, thought and prayer on

selfless ness. Too, to enhance what is positive by doing the same. In other

words I take karma as a current condition and not one that has been stored up

for generations of past living. I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for

most to comprehend their past.

 

However, Karma is there.

 

In regard to developed countries vs others controlled by station or government

power/restrictions and/or labour issues which are very real - along with food,

sanitary conditions and a roof over ones head, I put this also in current

conditions and not something mered in 1000 of yrs of badness to undue, for

self

and love ones.. The Karma in these situations are controlled outside of

ourselves and not because of what we have done in the past to deserve such dire

conditions. I guess I would look to the karma of a country to further reason

these plights of oppressions. I do differ in thought in some ways because I

was

raised with an attitude of freedom that I could do and be anything I wanted if

I

took proper ethical responsible action to my desires. This is probably my

Karma. Maybe some of us are born lucky. I do agree though, that the

collective

karma of thought and action has great effect on us as a human population just

as

a dehydrated dessert.

But, positively in the dessert life still flourishes in its own way. I always

like to look at wildlife, what separates us from them is a higher developed

brain. So, when I observe them they act out of a sense of an innate survival

instinct. Each generation born follows the patterns of survival from the older

generation and they learn out of that same innate instinct of survival to adapt

to their surroundings or perish.. It can change from season to season or year

to year or century to century etc. I don't think the wildlife in and of

itself feels a karma. it just is.

 

That doesn't sound very religious on my part but I am a very spiritual

person. Karma I can see being worked out from generations say who have suicide

in their past family etc. So, there is a thread of karma that we all carry for

duties to work on.

 

 

Hope all enjoy this article below

 

-------------------------------

 

A 'genetic breakthrough' that can prolong human life?

 

London (PTI): Imagine living to a healthy 125 years. Well, your imagination

might someday turn into reality, thanks to scientists who have made a genetic

breakthrough that they claim can prolong human life and remove cancer threat.

 

A team at the Spanish National Cancer Research Centre in Madrid has based its

conclusion on tests on rodents, which made them live nearly 45 per cent longer

and also left them free from tumours.

 

According to the scientists, if the experiments on the mice can be replicated

in people, human lifespan could also be extended as the genes involved exist

naturally in both rodents and humans and perform similar roles.

 

" The elixir of eternal youth is now not a utopian dream. The discovery

opens the door to (the possibility) that humans could live 125 years and

without

cancer, " the 'Daily Mail' quoted lead scientist Maria Blasco as

saying.

 

In fact, the scientists achieved their results by inserting an extra copy of

three genes -- called telomerase, p53 and p16, already known to be important

for

longevity and suppressing tumours -- into the stem cells of mice.

 

Inserting an extra copy improved their function in the body because they

produced more protein, which made them more active. This in turn helped

telomerase to protect chromosomes from shrinking, a process which normally

happens naturally as all living creatures age.

 

And it means p53 and p16 work to prevent cells from mutating and dividing, and

therefore preventing cancer, while producing a good balance of new, healthy

cells -- the method is " groundbreaking " as the team managed to get

extra copies of both the genes into the mice.

 

The modified mice were allowed to breed to strengthen their new DNA pattern,

which created a group of " supermice " with longer lifespans and

in-built cancer protection.

 

" When activating p53 and p16 in mice, the incidence of cancer is reduced

to practically zero. We don't think the mice lived longer because they had

less cancer but because these genes also protected against ageing, "

co-scientist Manuel Serrano said.

 

The mice are expected to live up to four-and-a-half years though normally their

average lifespan is three years. " This is the equivalent of humans living

to 125, " according to the scientists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:07:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

Thanks for bringing out the research report on evolution. The new revelation is

very interesting. It is our group karma that is contributing the changes to our

environment/ attitudes/ preferences that we are welcomed into during our next

birth.

 

Also, while talking about DNA that we inherit from our parents, I believe that

our natal chart is another view of our DNA. Science has already proven that we

inherit DNA from our parents. And, hence I believe that we inherit the

planetary

positions in our charts from our parent's charts as well. This is the basis

for my research on this topic.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 12:18 AM

 

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart.......

..

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon

there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in

USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global

modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope

one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

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EXACTLY! This too needs to be taken into the equation. It's a very complex

subject that has kept discussions going on Karma and free will vs. science for

ages and will continue. Actually, Newton and Einstein and other

math/physicists/scientists of their generation, and before as of today, are

often very religious/spiritual people. They are a small group in the scientific

world but nonetheless students of philosophy and theology. And often did/do

apply their scientific findings to the spiritual plane and the Supreme Being.

So, too, they are and were students of astronomy and its cosmos of astrological

character and destiny. As above so below. There is Brahman or an Agni in the

constellations.

 

As we know, astrology created the cultural myths which evolved into religions of

its people. This has been found not only in the anthropology of the Euro/Indus

valley cultures which evolved into Indian and other Eastern cultures but in

other cultures of people through the ages. Each adapted to its own needs,

civility and survival through the practice of their faith. However, there has

always been one higher truth no matter what culture or practice of Religion one

was begot from. It's what sustains us and gives reason for living. As you say

too, if we don't use our free-will to its positive potential then we are

destined to repeat it (Karma) until we do. Psychologically, multi-generational

learned behavior and its environment too needs to be addressed to help define

ones karma of past, their actions of today and a conscious higher purpose of

meaning and transcendence.

 

I find this whole subject fascinating and profound. I am aware that one does

have to be respectful and careful in mixing cold hard Science and its biological

discoveries with a religious faith of morality, ethics and soul purpose, with

its social and political structures. The Brahman Texts and Vedic canon’s

Upanishads spell this out clearly, as does the Vedic Sutras.

 

Yes, there is a fear that as we scientifically evolve, we will loose our

humanity and purpose. That Agni will be shed for self. There was recently a

movie that came out earlier this summer titled “Wally World” . It is a wonderful

modern day movie of scientific evolution that sheds its higher purpose and God.

In the end a little robotic- emotionally feeling Wally brings a seed planted in

mud from the destruction of a wasteful dead earth to the space home environment

of a new world. The seed shortly thereafter sprouts a new young birth of life.

All the people are mesmerized with awe and want to go back to earth to recapture

their humanity and purpose while giving reverence to their Supreme Being.

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:14:10 AM

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Dear Uttara,

 

That was an interesting quote. Yes, Newton coined the law in the context of

Physics. But, probably he was unaware that such a law is applicable in the

spiritual plane as well and the actions and reactions transcend one life term.

Lot of people think that Karma and Free-will are contradicting entities. But in

fact, Karma is nothing but the free-will exercised in the past! And, only our

free-will available today has the power of countering our past karma. After all,

it was only created by ourselves. However, due to the accumulated Karma, not

everyone will have the same amount of free-will to exercise in the current

birth. If I take an analogy of amount of free-will to the engine power of the

car, some people are born with 200 bhp and some other may be born with just 50

bhp. However, if one does not use what he is born with, a person with 200bhp

engine may not be able to overtake a person with 50 bhp engine because he may

not be pressing the gas peddle

enough (not using all the free-will available). Unfortulately, it is difficult

to get a measure of what we are born with. Hence, it is always better to try our

best, do things to our full potential to use our free-will to the fullest

extent.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Tue, 2/9/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 11:34 PM

 

To All,

 

Fascinating thread Vattem. Thank you for your insightful contribution here on

the subject of karma vs. science.

I came across a quote a few days ago that said - " We are the whole of a

tribe - change the tribe and it changes you. " This quote came from an

indigenous Indian tribe's philosophy of religious belief who live deep in

the rain forest. Interesting. This quote also reminds me of Newton's law.

" For every action there is a reaction " . But Newton's theory is a

modern day scientific reasoning that is based on physics only.

But as you say, Karma is the essence of our soul to purify, to gain a rewarding

afterlife with Krishna. DNA is science, although the soul and its purpose of

life, is a higher octave of transcending that can be traced in our birth charts.

 

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:21:18 AM

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announced by McCain

 

Dear All,

Human trials as free will actions have always a place and may be it brings some

fun and enjoyment.The scientific exercise cited by you really makes us in a way

proud too as human discoveries have any limit.If so " who is that " who

can explain any limit for our efforts and the rewards that is bestowed may be a

pleasure or may be a sorrow and may be a noble one that is capable to change the

order.

So we have Plutos,Newtons and even for that matter Sankaracharyas too.

As students of Astrology we have faithfully accepted vedic conventions and

agreed not to accord any higher pedestal for emerging scinces and the

technology,eventual ly likely to overtake humanity.It is really the human

endeavour that brings laurels and distinguishes personalities.

Then it is not easy to pulverise the idea that such distinctions are due to

past karmas.

In Psychology how ever we know in existential mode work for the sake name and

fame.where as in our field we attribute to the past,beleieving our birth and the

ultimate lifeless state as death are not mere happenings.taking place

randomly.we have established continuity in birth as well as death through a fine

thread of Karma of the past.So the biological life is once over we now look to

ashes and immeterial thigs.Scintific inventions now put life upto 125 years to

day and who knows our grand grand talk of of more number of years than the

ceiling laid by vimshottari das systemIn the process " how and why we live

and how are predestined Karma is carried out " .

we are coming to recognise human endeavours and ready to get convinced that the

human intellect(if we can still beleieve as the gift of Almighty/sper human

being) is capable to grow with science and chnage the social order.

Probably the Human ego,rather confidence that allow us not to think of past and

Karmas as the responsible element.No wonder in the process we do not

hesitate " I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for most to comprehend

their past. "

In case the modern world as it is seen to today happened to be the same some

thousands of years ago,it would have been://that the collective karma of thought

and action has great effect on us as a human population just as a dehydrated

dessert//

As the human inventions are changing the order of the society,we are becoming

more and more insecure as there is nothing the human intellect can not

comprehend and replicate>yet we still cling as a dehydrated desert to the

past actions and karmas<

What ever may be great heights the humans endeavour,it is their greatness yet

to confess that we are all persons of past to carry out different actions to

glorify the tribe as long as our biological actives can be sustained through

scinetific developments and growth.

So let us as an insecure and hesistant human being and ignoring what science

can do and can not do ,it most safe if only we ontinue to live the thought:there

is a thread of karma that we all carry for duties to work on.

vrrkishnan

 

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 4:29 AM

 

Dear Krishna and all,

 

This article below just came across my desk and thought I would share it with

you. It's an interesting pause for contemplation how science and biology

can change how and why we live and how are predestined Karma is carried out.

 

Vattem I don't know how many will want to throw rocks at me but I try in

advising people to look at their birth chart as an opportunity to undue by

choice some negative karma seen currently and advise them on choice for

mitigating or changing for more positive by action, thought and prayer on

selfless ness. Too, to enhance what is positive by doing the same. In other

words I take karma as a current condition and not one that has been stored up

for generations of past living. I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for

most to comprehend their past.

 

However, Karma is there.

 

In regard to developed countries vs others controlled by station or government

power/restrictions and/or labour issues which are very real - along with food,

sanitary conditions and a roof over ones head, I put this also in current

conditions and not something mered in 1000 of yrs of badness to undue, for

self

and love ones.. The Karma in these situations are controlled outside of

ourselves and not because of what we have done in the past to deserve such dire

conditions. I guess I would look to the karma of a country to further reason

these plights of oppressions. I do differ in thought in some ways because I

was

raised with an attitude of freedom that I could do and be anything I wanted if

I

took proper ethical responsible action to my desires. This is probably my

Karma. Maybe some of us are born lucky. I do agree though, that the

collective

karma of thought and action has great effect on us as a human population just

as

a dehydrated dessert.

But, positively in the dessert life still flourishes in its own way. I always

like to look at wildlife, what separates us from them is a higher developed

brain. So, when I observe them they act out of a sense of an innate survival

instinct. Each generation born follows the patterns of survival from the older

generation and they learn out of that same innate instinct of survival to adapt

to their surroundings or perish.. It can change from season to season or year

to year or century to century etc. I don't think the wildlife in and of

itself feels a karma. it just is.

 

That doesn't sound very religious on my part but I am a very spiritual

person. Karma I can see being worked out from generations say who have suicide

in their past family etc. So, there is a thread of karma that we all carry for

duties to work on.

 

Hope all enjoy this article below

 

------------ --------- --------- -

 

A 'genetic breakthrough' that can prolong human life?

 

London (PTI): Imagine living to a healthy 125 years. Well, your imagination

might someday turn into reality, thanks to scientists who have made a genetic

breakthrough that they claim can prolong human life and remove cancer threat.

 

A team at the Spanish National Cancer Research Centre in Madrid has based its

conclusion on tests on rodents, which made them live nearly 45 per cent longer

and also left them free from tumours.

 

According to the scientists, if the experiments on the mice can be replicated

in people, human lifespan could also be extended as the genes involved exist

naturally in both rodents and humans and perform similar roles.

 

" The elixir of eternal youth is now not a utopian dream. The discovery

opens the door to (the possibility) that humans could live 125 years and

without

cancer, " the 'Daily Mail' quoted lead scientist Maria Blasco as

saying.

 

In fact, the scientists achieved their results by inserting an extra copy of

three genes -- called telomerase, p53 and p16, already known to be important

for

longevity and suppressing tumours -- into the stem cells of mice.

 

Inserting an extra copy improved their function in the body because they

produced more protein, which made them more active. This in turn helped

telomerase to protect chromosomes from shrinking, a process which normally

happens naturally as all living creatures age.

 

And it means p53 and p16 work to prevent cells from mutating and dividing, and

therefore preventing cancer, while producing a good balance of new, healthy

cells -- the method is " groundbreaking " as the team managed to get

extra copies of both the genes into the mice.

 

The modified mice were allowed to breed to strengthen their new DNA pattern,

which created a group of " supermice " with longer lifespans and

in-built cancer protection.

 

" When activating p53 and p16 in mice, the incidence of cancer is reduced

to practically zero. We don't think the mice lived longer because they had

less cancer but because these genes also protected against ageing, "

co-scientist Manuel Serrano said.

 

The mice are expected to live up to four-and-a-half years though normally their

average lifespan is three years. " This is the equivalent of humans living

to 125, " according to the scientists.

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:07:51 AM

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Dear Uttara,

 

Thanks for bringing out the research report on evolution. The new revelation is

very interesting. It is our group karma that is contributing the changes to our

environment/ attitudes/ preferences that we are welcomed into during our next

birth.

 

Also, while talking about DNA that we inherit from our parents, I believe that

our natal chart is another view of our DNA. Science has already proven that we

inherit DNA from our parents. And, hence I believe that we inherit the

planetary

positions in our charts from our parent's charts as well. This is the basis

for my research on this topic.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 12:18 AM

 

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart.......

..

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon

there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in

USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global

modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

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announced by McCain

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope

one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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Dear Uttara,

 

I agree with EVERYTHING you have said in your mail, specially when you say

" ...there has always been one higher truth no matter what culture or practice of

Religion one was begot from. It's what sustains us and gives reason for

living. "

 

Yes, this is a fascinating subject and the discussion never ends as we speak out

our beliefs.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

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jyotish-vidya

Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 1:01 AM

 

Dear Krishna,

 

 

EXACTLY! This too needs to be taken into the equation. It's a very complex

subject that has kept discussions going on Karma and free will vs. science for

ages and will continue. Actually, Newton and Einstein and other

math/physicists/scientists of their generation, and before as of today, are

often very religious/spiritual people. They are a small group in the scientific

world but nonetheless students of philosophy and theology. And often did/do

apply their scientific findings to the spiritual plane and the Supreme Being.

So, too, they are and were students of astronomy and its cosmos of astrological

character and destiny. As above so below. There is Brahman or an Agni in the

constellations.

 

As we know, astrology created the cultural myths which evolved into religions

of its people. This has been found not only in the anthropology of the

Euro/Indus valley cultures which evolved into Indian and other Eastern cultures

but in other cultures of people through the ages. Each adapted to its own

needs, civility and survival through the practice of their faith. However,

there has always been one higher truth no matter what culture or practice of

Religion one was begot from. It's what sustains us and gives reason for

living. As you say too, if we don't use our free-will to its positive

potential then we are destined to repeat it (Karma) until we do.

Psychologically, multi-generational learned behavior and its environment too

needs to be addressed to help define ones karma of past, their actions of today

and a conscious higher purpose of meaning and transcendence.

 

I find this whole subject fascinating and profound. I am aware that one does

have to be respectful and careful in mixing cold hard Science and its biological

discoveries with a religious faith of morality, ethics and soul purpose, with

its social and political structures. The Brahman Texts and Vedic canon’s

Upanishads spell this out clearly, as does the Vedic Sutras.

 

Yes, there is a fear that as we scientifically evolve, we will loose our

humanity and purpose. That Agni will be shed for self. There was recently a

movie that came out earlier this summer titled “Wally World†. It is a

wonderful modern day movie of scientific evolution that sheds its higher purpose

and God. In the end a little robotic- emotionally feeling Wally brings a seed

planted in mud from the destruction of a wasteful dead earth to the space home

environment of a new world. The seed shortly thereafter sprouts a new young

birth of life. All the people are mesmerized with awe and want to go back to

earth to recapture their humanity and purpose while giving reverence to their

Supreme Being.

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:14:10 AM

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Dear Uttara,

 

That was an interesting quote. Yes, Newton coined the law in the context of

Physics. But, probably he was unaware that such a law is applicable in the

spiritual plane as well and the actions and reactions transcend one life term.

Lot of people think that Karma and Free-will are contradicting entities. But in

fact, Karma is nothing but the free-will exercised in the past! And, only our

free-will available today has the power of countering our past karma. After all,

it was only created by ourselves. However, due to the accumulated Karma, not

everyone will have the same amount of free-will to exercise in the current

birth. If I take an analogy of amount of free-will to the engine power of the

car, some people are born with 200 bhp and some other may be born with just 50

bhp. However, if one does not use what he is born with, a person with 200bhp

engine may not be able to overtake a person with 50 bhp engine because he may

not be pressing the gas peddle

enough (not using all the free-will available). Unfortulately, it is difficult

to get a measure of what we are born with. Hence, it is always better to try our

best, do things to our full potential to use our free-will to the fullest

extent.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Tue, 2/9/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

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jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 11:34 PM

 

To All,

 

Fascinating thread Vattem. Thank you for your insightful contribution here on

the subject of karma vs. science.

I came across a quote a few days ago that said - " We are the whole of a

tribe - change the tribe and it changes you. " This quote came from an

indigenous Indian tribe's philosophy of religious belief who live deep in

the rain forest. Interesting. This quote also reminds me of Newton's law.

" For every action there is a reaction " . But Newton's theory is a

modern day scientific reasoning that is based on physics only.

But as you say, Karma is the essence of our soul to purify, to gain a rewarding

afterlife with Krishna. DNA is science, although the soul and its purpose of

life, is a higher octave of transcending that can be traced in our birth

charts.

 

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:21:18 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear All,

Human trials as free will actions have always a place and may be it brings some

fun and enjoyment.The scientific exercise cited by you really makes us in a way

proud too as human discoveries have any limit.If so " who is that " who

can explain any limit for our efforts and the rewards that is bestowed may be a

pleasure or may be a sorrow and may be a noble one that is capable to change

the

order.

So we have Plutos,Newtons and even for that matter Sankaracharyas too.

As students of Astrology we have faithfully accepted vedic conventions and

agreed not to accord any higher pedestal for emerging scinces and the

technology,eventual ly likely to overtake humanity.It is really the human

endeavour that brings laurels and distinguishes personalities.

Then it is not easy to pulverise the idea that such distinctions are due to

past karmas.

In Psychology how ever we know in existential mode work for the sake name and

fame.where as in our field we attribute to the past,beleieving our birth and

the

ultimate lifeless state as death are not mere happenings.taking place

randomly.we have established continuity in birth as well as death through a

fine

thread of Karma of the past.So the biological life is once over we now look to

ashes and immeterial thigs.Scintific inventions now put life upto 125 years to

day and who knows our grand grand talk of of more number of years than the

ceiling laid by vimshottari das systemIn the process " how and why we live

and how are predestined Karma is carried out " .

we are coming to recognise human endeavours and ready to get convinced that the

human intellect(if we can still beleieve as the gift of Almighty/sper human

being) is capable to grow with science and chnage the social order.

Probably the Human ego,rather confidence that allow us not to think of past and

Karmas as the responsible element.No wonder in the process we do not

hesitate " I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for most to comprehend

their past. "

In case the modern world as it is seen to today happened to be the same some

thousands of years ago,it would have been://that the collective karma of

thought

and action has great effect on us as a human population just as a dehydrated

dessert//

As the human inventions are changing the order of the society,we are becoming

more and more insecure as there is nothing the human intellect can not

comprehend and replicate>yet we still cling as a dehydrated desert to the

past actions and karmas<

What ever may be great heights the humans endeavour,it is their greatness yet

to confess that we are all persons of past to carry out different actions to

glorify the tribe as long as our biological actives can be sustained through

scinetific developments and growth.

So let us as an insecure and hesistant human being and ignoring what science

can do and can not do ,it most safe if only we ontinue to live the

thought:there

is a thread of karma that we all carry for duties to work on.

vrrkishnan

 

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

 

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 4:29 AM

 

Dear Krishna and all,

 

This article below just came across my desk and thought I would share it with

you. It's an interesting pause for contemplation how science and biology

can change how and why we live and how are predestined Karma is carried out.

 

Vattem I don't know how many will want to throw rocks at me but I try in

advising people to look at their birth chart as an opportunity to undue by

choice some negative karma seen currently and advise them on choice for

mitigating or changing for more positive by action, thought and prayer on

selfless ness. Too, to enhance what is positive by doing the same. In other

words I take karma as a current condition and not one that has been stored up

for generations of past living. I find it too inhibiting and pessimistic for

most to comprehend their past.

 

However, Karma is there.

 

In regard to developed countries vs others controlled by station or government

power/restrictions and/or labour issues which are very real - along with food,

sanitary conditions and a roof over ones head, I put this also in current

conditions and not something mered in 1000 of yrs of badness to undue, for

self

and love ones.. The Karma in these situations are controlled outside of

ourselves and not because of what we have done in the past to deserve such dire

conditions. I guess I would look to the karma of a country to further reason

these plights of oppressions. I do differ in thought in some ways because I

was

raised with an attitude of freedom that I could do and be anything I wanted if

I

took proper ethical responsible action to my desires. This is probably my

Karma. Maybe some of us are born lucky. I do agree though, that the

collective

karma of thought and action has great effect on us as a human population just

as

a dehydrated dessert.

But, positively in the dessert life still flourishes in its own way. I always

like to look at wildlife, what separates us from them is a higher developed

brain. So, when I observe them they act out of a sense of an innate survival

instinct. Each generation born follows the patterns of survival from the older

generation and they learn out of that same innate instinct of survival to adapt

to their surroundings or perish.. It can change from season to season or year

to year or century to century etc. I don't think the wildlife in and of

itself feels a karma. it just is.

 

That doesn't sound very religious on my part but I am a very spiritual

person. Karma I can see being worked out from generations say who have suicide

in their past family etc. So, there is a thread of karma that we all carry for

duties to work on.

 

Hope all enjoy this article below

 

------------ --------- --------- -

 

A 'genetic breakthrough' that can prolong human life?

 

London (PTI): Imagine living to a healthy 125 years. Well, your imagination

might someday turn into reality, thanks to scientists who have made a genetic

breakthrough that they claim can prolong human life and remove cancer threat.

 

A team at the Spanish National Cancer Research Centre in Madrid has based its

conclusion on tests on rodents, which made them live nearly 45 per cent longer

and also left them free from tumours.

 

According to the scientists, if the experiments on the mice can be replicated

in people, human lifespan could also be extended as the genes involved exist

naturally in both rodents and humans and perform similar roles.

 

" The elixir of eternal youth is now not a utopian dream. The discovery

opens the door to (the possibility) that humans could live 125 years and

without

cancer, " the 'Daily Mail' quoted lead scientist Maria Blasco as

saying.

 

In fact, the scientists achieved their results by inserting an extra copy of

three genes -- called telomerase, p53 and p16, already known to be important

for

longevity and suppressing tumours -- into the stem cells of mice.

 

Inserting an extra copy improved their function in the body because they

produced more protein, which made them more active. This in turn helped

telomerase to protect chromosomes from shrinking, a process which normally

happens naturally as all living creatures age.

 

And it means p53 and p16 work to prevent cells from mutating and dividing, and

therefore preventing cancer, while producing a good balance of new, healthy

cells -- the method is " groundbreaking " as the team managed to get

extra copies of both the genes into the mice.

 

The modified mice were allowed to breed to strengthen their new DNA pattern,

which created a group of " supermice " with longer lifespans and

in-built cancer protection.

 

" When activating p53 and p16 in mice, the incidence of cancer is reduced

to practically zero. We don't think the mice lived longer because they had

less cancer but because these genes also protected against ageing, "

co-scientist Manuel Serrano said.

 

The mice are expected to live up to four-and-a-half years though normally their

average lifespan is three years. " This is the equivalent of humans living

to 125, " according to the scientists.

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:07:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Dear Uttara,

 

Thanks for bringing out the research report on evolution. The new revelation is

very interesting. It is our group karma that is contributing the changes to our

environment/ attitudes/ preferences that we are welcomed into during our next

birth.

 

Also, while talking about DNA that we inherit from our parents, I believe that

our natal chart is another view of our DNA. Science has already proven that we

inherit DNA from our parents. And, hence I believe that we inherit the

planetary

positions in our charts from our parent's charts as well. This is the basis

for my research on this topic.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 12:18 AM

 

........I believe that positions of each and every planet in a child's chart

has a specific, traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart.......

..

 

Dear Krishna,

Absolutely!! My father, son and I all have Mars in Gemini. that's three

generations!

My daughter has her Sun on my Asc in Virgo and her Asc is on my Moon in Taurus.

My husband and daughter share Saturn in Cancer with my daughter's Moon

there

on my Cancer Sun. My son has Jupiter in his 7th house just as I do. Even my

husband has Mars in his 10th hse as I do as well as Saturn in his first hse as

mine. I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, there is a correlation and a

meaning of soul purpose. It is how we each choose to act it out as we absorb

and further tweak our destiny in our own learned environments and cultures. As

an example, I might and I do share a lot with my ancestors from Ireland, but i

was born and raised American. My environment and culture are completely

different than my ancestors. So too, my relationship with other kin here in

USA

who live in different parts of the country. My longevity and health too are

affected by where i live, how i live, what i eat, the education I study and

gain; the medical care I

receive, how I practice my faith, what i believe in and my attitudes of

acceptable living and goals to pursue - all influence of how I live out my

destiny and soul purpose.

 

Are there genetic predispositions in health and other areas? yes. Science has

proven this. DNA can reveal a genetic makeup for disease, and entrenched

attitudes and beliefs do carry down through generations through myth and story

telling. However, each generation is their own and adds to the whole.

 

There was a recent study revealed that scientist have discover that the

evolution of life changes very quickly based on ones enviornment. It was

thought for the longest time, that evolution took thousands of years. Hundreds

at best. We can see this in fossils through anthropology. However, it is now

proven that the DNA of each life can change and evolve within one generation.

this is amazing news. Now there is a recent concern that our current

children's DNA has changed in one generation to show a lack of

attentiveness. Now, one has to ask, is it the culture, the environment, the

food taken in or how life is lived these days with so much machinery and

electronics doing the work for us. Even our agriculture is computerized and

machine oreinted.

 

This is not to say that the destiny of soul purpose has left its God. It's

more the sociology of civilization. We defiantely are in a global

modernazation

of civilized living, even the poorest of poorest countries are affected.

 

I am looking forward to reading your research Krishna. I am a avid learner and

reader of life's purpose, evolution and soul destiny.

 

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50:51 AM

Re: Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate

announced by McCain

 

Hi Uttara,

 

It is nice to hear from you again after a long time. Hope to see your postings

on a regular basis.

 

I am happy to note that you still remember what I was working on two years

back! I need to do more work on what I published at that time. I believe that

positions of each and every planet in a child's chart has a specific,

traceable link to the same planet in parent's chart. Though I have touched

the tip of the iceberg, I need to put lot more effort to reach my goal. Hope

one

day I will be successful. Meanwhile, my notable research work was on Diabetes.

I was able to provide a well defined combination for both Type-I and Type-II

diabetes. Also, recently I did some work on twin's chart and this article

was published in the latest issue of Saptarshis astro magazine (Aug 2008). I

will soon upload it on my blog.

 

I hope to have more interaction with you on Astrology. I wish you all the best

for your upcoming surgery.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ > wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ >

Hello - And - USA Republican V.P. canidate announced

by McCain

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 9:17 AM

 

Hello,

to everyone here at Jyotish-vidya! !!

 

It

has been a very long time…..I miss my interaction with everyone. Every once

in a great while I key in to see

what is up. I am sure that those who

know me well, understand my lack of participation due to health matters and

energy.

There

are many members here who have kept me close in their hearts and prayers for my

welfare; which I believe, has carried me on, especially when I was and have

been at my lowest. The power of prayer

and mantra is life changing and here I am, complications and all. My heartfelt

THANKS to so many for your

carrying and allegiance to me. As an

inactive moderator this very long length of time, please be assured that on a

occasion, I do have the opportunity to key in to read hundreds of

email on Jyotish-vidya at a time and try to keep myself a breast as to what is

going on with the opinions and activities of our members here.

 

Today,

I am excited to report that the natal chart of V.P. candidate for McCain’s

presidency has a potential to not only excite the USA presidential candidacy

but give substantial value to the process. Sarah Palin’s birth chart does not

have as yet a birth time, but if one were to key up her birth details with a

00:00:00 time for her birth date – February 11, 1964 – Sandpoint, Idaho,

USA

and compare it to the election date of the USA birth chart for the transit of

Nov. 4th 2008 – Washington, D.C. at 10:14am - one will see that this women

is going places whether or not she

becomes V.P. of USA.

 

I

will leave it to you to work out all the details. Have Fun!!!

 

AS

an extra note: Wendy, I am very sorry to

read of the passing of your sister 8/3. May she rest in peace at the right

hand side of the Lord.

 

Krishna,

I read with Joy that you may not have to have surgery on your hand. May I

share a little of my own hand wrist

problems. A few years ago I injured my

hand from over work and extension. My

surgeon wanted to do surgery right away. I was in considerable pain, but I

also read that most injuries take 3 to

4 months to heal on their own with bracing and anti-inflammatory. Surgery

would have a recuperation period of

4months or more with no guarantee that the problem would be healed. I chose to

not have surgery and guess what,

within 3/4months with bracing and Tylenol my hand healed. Since then every

once in awhile when I over

do it, my hand acts up and I put my brace on which goes up my arm to my elbow

for a few days and I am ok.!! Hope this info helps you.

 

Also,

Krishna, I believe it was almost two years ago, that you were doing research on

the heredity of charts within families from one generation to another. Let me

so briefly say here, two things. On, I hope you are continuing with your

research and two, it helps to remember above all else, that if one remembers

that each birth chart is a transit chart of their parents and a reflection of

not only their parents character and what the child is born into but also the

circumstances of transits and how they affect what we absorb. Not necessarily

what is done to us. In other words each birth chart takes on our

heredity and issues as much as each birth chart is a new beginning of

self. So, often we want to blame our

ancestry for who we are or what is the underlining basis of our thoughts and

actions, when in reality, taking on the transits charts of our heredity gives

us the chance and ability to be not only ourselves but to create a new destiny.

 

Thanks

again everyone, I am doing well for the

moment. I have ridden quite a few

turbulent waves these past few years and I am facing more surgery this Fall.

 

Congrats,

Vic for your stature and contribution here. It is invaluable and warmly

welcomed. You have much to offer and most importantly express it in a

generous,

unpretentious and humble way. You joyously join the league of seniors here

who are most helpful for the intent of Jyotish-Vidya! !

 

Fondly

to all,

Uttara

 

" Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear

is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness,

that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. " from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

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