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Dear Arun,

 

I can confirm Obama's T.O.B.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" arun " <savitarcyber

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:12 PM

McCain & Obama

 

 

Dear all,

 

Can you confirm the following?

 

Obama, Barack:

DOB: August 4th 1961, POB: Honolulu, Hawaii TOB: 19:24 (+10:00)

21N18 / 157W51

 

Asc - Capricorn 24:45

1st - Jupiter, Saturn

2nd - ketu

5th - Moon

6th - Venus

7th - Sun, Mercury

8th - Mars, Rahu

 

McCain, John

DOB: August 29th 1936, POB: Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal

TOB: 9:00 AM (EST +5:00)

9N22 / 79W53

 

Asc: 24:57 Virgo

1st - Mercury

3rd - Jupiter

4th - Rahu

5th - Moon

6th - Saturn

10th - Ketu

11th- Mars

12th - Sun, Venus

 

regards

arun

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Dear Arun,

 As we all know, the time of birth on both individuals can not be taken as

official time of birth because the lack of accurate verification, but I have

take my own initiative in using the times that i have been able to locate.

 

I have some info, in reference to Obama, my info everything checks with the

exception of Longitude which is very slight I have 157W59.

 

About McCain, again in this case i used gut feelings and according to the time

available I used 9:10:22

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, arun <savitarcyber wrote:

 

arun <savitarcyber

McCain & Obama

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:12 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all,

 

Can you confirm the following?

 

Obama, Barack:

DOB: August 4th 1961, POB: Honolulu, Hawaii TOB: 19:24 (+10:00)

21N18 / 157W51

 

Asc - Capricorn 24:45

1st - Jupiter, Saturn

2nd - ketu

5th - Moon

6th - Venus

7th - Sun, Mercury

8th - Mars, Rahu

 

McCain, John

DOB: August 29th 1936, POB: Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal

TOB: 9:00 AM (EST +5:00)

9N22 / 79W53

 

Asc: 24:57 Virgo

1st - Mercury

3rd - Jupiter

4th - Rahu

5th - Moon

6th - Saturn

10th - Ketu

11th- Mars

12th - Sun, Venus

 

regards

arun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mr Eligio,

Iam entirely in agreement with you.The timing of birth some how seem to be

inconsisitent in sevaral cases>in the case of Mr Barrack Obama timing has been

mentioned as 1.06PM that ie elading to the Ascendant of libra.Source

:http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html.

vrkrishnan 

 

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio wrote:

 

ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio

Re: McCain & Obama

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Arun,

 As we all know, the time of birth on both individuals can not be taken as

official time of birth because the lack of accurate verification, but I have

take my own initiative in using the times that i have been able to locate.

 

I have some info, in reference to Obama, my info everything checks with the

exception of Longitude which is very slight I have 157W59.

 

About McCain, again in this case i used gut feelings and according to the time

available I used 9:10:22

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, arun <savitarcyber@ .co. uk> wrote:

 

arun <savitarcyber@ .co. uk>

McCain & Obama

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:12 AM

 

Dear all,

 

Can you confirm the following?

 

Obama, Barack:

DOB: August 4th 1961, POB: Honolulu, Hawaii TOB: 19:24 (+10:00)

21N18 / 157W51

 

Asc - Capricorn 24:45

1st - Jupiter, Saturn

2nd - ketu

5th - Moon

6th - Venus

7th - Sun, Mercury

8th - Mars, Rahu

 

McCain, John

DOB: August 29th 1936, POB: Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal

TOB: 9:00 AM (EST +5:00)

9N22 / 79W53

 

Asc: 24:57 Virgo

1st - Mercury

3rd - Jupiter

4th - Rahu

5th - Moon

6th - Saturn

10th - Ketu

11th- Mars

12th - Sun, Venus

 

regards

arun

 

 

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Dear Krishnan,

 

Perhaps you missed the earlier conversations (here) regarding Barack

Obama's birth certificate displayed on his own (authenticated) website.

This was made public as a response to the accusations that he was not a

US citizen. I, in fact, put the BC in our " Files " section on Jun 13,

2008. See here:

jyotish-vidyaBirth%20Certificates/

 

You can also see it on the official Obama site " Fight The Smears "

barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome

 

Also the (faulty) link you sent...here is the proper link:

http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html

has his time as 7:24 pm (quoted from his BC).

 

As for the authenticity of the BC itself we should bear in mind that

Obama is himself a lawyer and would therefore be well aware of the

consequences of making available to the public a false/fraudulent

certificate. I am therefore satisfied that, although the certificate

number has been blacked out (to prevent reproduction), the actual

information on the certificate would be authentic. It would be political

suicide to knowingly make public a fraudulent document, and I'm sure

Obama and his advisers are well aware of this.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24 AM

Re: McCain & Obama

 

 

Dear Mr Eligio,

Iam entirely in agreement with you.The timing of birth some how seem to

be inconsisitent in sevaral cases>in the case of Mr Barrack Obama timing

has been mentioned as 1.06PM that ie elading to the Ascendant of

libra.Source :http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio wrote:

 

ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio

Re: McCain & Obama

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

 

 

Dear Arun,

As we all know, the time of birth on both individuals can not be taken as

official time of birth because the lack of accurate verification, but I

have take my own initiative in using the times that i have been able to

locate.

 

I have some info, in reference to Obama, my info everything checks with

the exception of Longitude which is very slight I have 157W59.

 

About McCain, again in this case i used gut feelings and according to the

time available I used 9:10:22

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Dear madam,

Thank you very much for the valuable link given from files

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

Re: McCain & Obama

jyotish-vidya

Friday, August 22, 2008, 2:24 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishnan,

 

Perhaps you missed the earlier conversations (here) regarding Barack

Obama's birth certificate displayed on his own (authenticated) website.

This was made public as a response to the accusations that he was not a

US citizen. I, in fact, put the BC in our " Files " section on Jun 13,

2008. See here:

http://groups. / group/jyotish- vidya Birth%20Certific ates/

 

You can also see it on the official Obama site " Fight The Smears "

barackoba ma.com/page/ content/fightthe smearshome

 

Also the (faulty) link you sent...here is the proper link:

http://www.neptunec afe.com/obama. html

has his time as 7:24 pm (quoted from his BC).

 

As for the authenticity of the BC itself we should bear in mind that

Obama is himself a lawyer and would therefore be well aware of the

consequences of making available to the public a false/fraudulent

certificate. I am therefore satisfied that, although the certificate

number has been blacked out (to prevent reproduction) , the actual

information on the certificate would be authentic. It would be political

suicide to knowingly make public a fraudulent document, and I'm sure

Obama and his advisers are well aware of this.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24 AM

Re: McCain & Obama

 

Dear Mr Eligio,

Iam entirely in agreement with you.The timing of birth some how seem to

be inconsisitent in sevaral cases>in the case of Mr Barrack Obama timing

has been mentioned as 1.06PM that ie elading to the Ascendant of

libra.Source :http://www.neptunec afe.com/obama. html.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio > wrote:

 

ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio >

Re: McCain & Obama

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

 

Dear Arun,

As we all know, the time of birth on both individuals can not be taken as

official time of birth because the lack of accurate verification, but I

have take my own initiative in using the times that i have been able to

locate.

 

I have some info, in reference to Obama, my info everything checks with

the exception of Longitude which is very slight I have 157W59.

 

About McCain, again in this case i used gut feelings and according to the

time available I used 9:10:22

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all,

 

on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires confirmation

of the date. The 12th lord is in the lagna, along with the 6th and

8th lord in the 7th house, with Rahu in the 8th. Even the Dasa Lord

Jupiter is inauspicious (3rd and 12th Lord), placed in the lagna.....

 

I checked relevant sites for daylight saving time but during 1961

there was no daylight saving.

 

 

regards

arun

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Krishnan,

>

> Perhaps you missed the earlier conversations (here) regarding

Barack

> Obama's birth certificate displayed on his own (authenticated)

website.

> This was made public as a response to the accusations that he was

not a

> US citizen. I, in fact, put the BC in our " Files " section on Jun

13,

> 2008. See here:

> jyotish-vidyaBirth%

20Certificates/

>

> You can also see it on the official Obama site " Fight The Smears "

> barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome

>

> Also the (faulty) link you sent...here is the proper link:

> http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html

> has his time as 7:24 pm (quoted from his BC).

>

> As for the authenticity of the BC itself we should bear in mind

that

> Obama is himself a lawyer and would therefore be well aware of the

> consequences of making available to the public a false/fraudulent

> certificate. I am therefore satisfied that, although the

certificate

> number has been blacked out (to prevent reproduction), the actual

> information on the certificate would be authentic. It would be

political

> suicide to knowingly make public a fraudulent document, and I'm

sure

> Obama and his advisers are well aware of this.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24 AM

> Re: McCain & Obama

>

>

> Dear Mr Eligio,

> Iam entirely in agreement with you.The timing of birth some how

seem to

> be inconsisitent in sevaral cases>in the case of Mr Barrack Obama

timing

> has been mentioned as 1.06PM that ie elading to the Ascendant of

> libra.Source :http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html.

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Thu, 8/21/08, ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio wrote:

>

> ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio

> Re: McCain & Obama

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

>

>

> Dear Arun,

> As we all know, the time of birth on both individuals can not be

taken as

> official time of birth because the lack of accurate verification,

but I

> have take my own initiative in using the times that i have been

able to

> locate.

>

> I have some info, in reference to Obama, my info everything checks

with

> the exception of Longitude which is very slight I have 157W59.

>

> About McCain, again in this case i used gut feelings and according

to the

> time available I used 9:10:22

>

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Dear Arun

 

the time i am using for Obama is 13:26 (no dst) - lagna should be

libra - this time has been tested by myself and another student of K

N rao to verify some past events - It is entirely up to you of course

which time you would like to use - but this one seems very accurate

to me

 

Kind regards

Sorabh

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " arun " <savitarcyber wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

confirmation

> of the date. The 12th lord is in the lagna, along with the 6th and

> 8th lord in the 7th house, with Rahu in the 8th. Even the Dasa Lord

> Jupiter is inauspicious (3rd and 12th Lord), placed in the

lagna.....

>

> I checked relevant sites for daylight saving time but during 1961

> there was no daylight saving.

>

>

> regards

> arun

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

> <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishnan,

> >

> > Perhaps you missed the earlier conversations (here) regarding

> Barack

> > Obama's birth certificate displayed on his own (authenticated)

> website.

> > This was made public as a response to the accusations that he was

> not a

> > US citizen. I, in fact, put the BC in our " Files " section on Jun

> 13,

> > 2008. See here:

> > jyotish-vidyaBirth%

> 20Certificates/

> >

> > You can also see it on the official Obama site " Fight The Smears "

> > barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome

> >

> > Also the (faulty) link you sent...here is the proper link:

> > http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html

> > has his time as 7:24 pm (quoted from his BC).

> >

> > As for the authenticity of the BC itself we should bear in mind

> that

> > Obama is himself a lawyer and would therefore be well aware of

the

> > consequences of making available to the public a false/fraudulent

> > certificate. I am therefore satisfied that, although the

> certificate

> > number has been blacked out (to prevent reproduction), the actual

> > information on the certificate would be authentic. It would be

> political

> > suicide to knowingly make public a fraudulent document, and I'm

> sure

> > Obama and his advisers are well aware of this.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ___

> >

> >

> > -

> > " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99@>

> > <jyotish-vidya >

> > Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24 AM

> > Re: McCain & Obama

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Eligio,

> > Iam entirely in agreement with you.The timing of birth some how

> seem to

> > be inconsisitent in sevaral cases>in the case of Mr Barrack Obama

> timing

> > has been mentioned as 1.06PM that ie elading to the Ascendant of

> > libra.Source :http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html.

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio@> wrote:

> >

> > ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio@>

> > Re: McCain & Obama

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

> >

> >

> > Dear Arun,

> > As we all know, the time of birth on both individuals can not be

> taken as

> > official time of birth because the lack of accurate verification,

> but I

> > have take my own initiative in using the times that i have been

> able to

> > locate.

> >

> > I have some info, in reference to Obama, my info everything

checks

> with

> > the exception of Longitude which is very slight I have 157W59.

> >

> > About McCain, again in this case i used gut feelings and

according

> to the

> > time available I used 9:10:22

> >

>

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Dear Sorabh,

 

///this time has been tested by myself and another student of K N rao to

verify some past events///

 

It would be good if you could share this (verification of past events)

with the group.

_________________________

 

Dear Arun,

 

///on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires confirmation

of the date.///

 

The date is Aug 4, 1961

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 PM

Re: McCain & Obama

 

 

Dear Arun

 

the time i am using for Obama is 13:26 (no dst) - lagna should be

libra - this time has been tested by myself and another student of K

N rao to verify some past events - It is entirely up to you of course

which time you would like to use - but this one seems very accurate

to me

 

Kind regards

Sorabh

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " arun " <savitarcyber wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

confirmation

> of the date. The 12th lord is in the lagna, along with the 6th and

> 8th lord in the 7th house, with Rahu in the 8th. Even the Dasa Lord

> Jupiter is inauspicious (3rd and 12th Lord), placed in the

lagna.....

>

> I checked relevant sites for daylight saving time but during 1961

> there was no daylight saving.

>

>

> regards

> arun

>

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Dear Wendy Ji

 

As per your request I have typed up some brief notes I made on

Barracks life – these are not the full notes and do not include some

additional notes made by my teacher and myself as I am very pressed

for time these days and also those notes are more jaimini based ( I

use jaimini a lot) - :

 

1. Barracks dad left when he was 2 and only saw barrack again

once before he died in 1982 :

 

In Lagna, 9th house( I take 9th house as generally representing

father) – the 8th lord venus is positioned here receiving no benefic

aspect

In Navamsha, 9th lord Saturn is positioned in the 8th house (12

houses away from 9th house) and being aspected by rahu from the 12th

house (house of separation)

It is during the rahu-rahu dasha that obama lost his father – this

can be seen from navamsha dwadamsha – where rahu is positioned next

to the 9th lord venus in lagna – being aspected by a retro Saturn.

 

2. Obamas mother died of cancer in Nov 1995 during his rahu-

moon dasha

 

Rahu (from 12th house of loss) aspects 4th lord mercury in navamsha

which in turn aspects moon (significator).

Moon is positioned in the 8th house of lagna being aspected by 6th

lord Jupiter (which is also retro) so Jupiter receives aspect from

rahu also.

 

3. In 1979 – during mars moon Obama began his university

studying – mars aspects the 5th house in lagna and aspects the 5th

lord in navamsha. Saturns connection with the 5th house indicates

some type of research(he studied in new york public research college)

and close aspect of Jupiter and mercury with 5th lord indicates a

political and law based education.

 

4. In 1988 – he entered harward law school during rahu-mercury –

rahu aspects 5th house and mercury aspects 5th lord – the strong

connection of mercury and Jupiter and Saturn - had to be law ! Again

notice in navamsha, powerful Jupiter and mercury aspect each other.

They are in kendras as is the 5th lord venus.

 

5. in 1996 – during rahu-moon he becomes elected into state

legislator. Moon is 10th lord in 8th house marking a big change or

sudden rise in career (8th house is not always bad) being aspected by

6th lord Jupiter (competition). Also note that the moon is located 10

places away from rahu – indicating a profession period. In navamsha

2nd lord moon is positioned with Jupiter in 10th th house aspected by

a powerful mercury –forming multiple raj yogas and a fantastic gaja

kesari yoga. Note there is a gaja kesari present in the lagna also

but this is weaker.

 

6. Nov 2004 – elected into senate. A remarkable feat. Obama

received 70% of the vote to Keyes's 27%, the largest victory margin

for a statewide race in Illinois history. During Jupiter-Mercury

dasha – Mercury is with sun in 10th house who has digbala. Mercury is

9th lord and receiving aspect from jupiter who in turn is with yoga

karaka saturn aspecting 10th lord moon. Again jupiter is 6th lord of

competition but its aspect with saturn yogakarak and strong position

in navamsha donates favours. Navamsha shows a similar story – the

fame had to come during this dasha.

7. Marriage – october 1992 – during Rahu –venus – rahu aspects

7th house and is conjunct with 7th lord mars. Venus natural

significtor of marriage and in navamsha is located in the 7th house.

8. During 1998 July – Jupiter-jupiter dasha first child is born –

Jupiter is conjunct with 5th lord saturn. Jupiter natural

signficiator of children. In navamsha jupiter and 5th lord in kendra

positions from one another. In saptamsha jupiter located in 5th house

 

So why such a massive political career and lots of fame ?

 

Some points to note:

 

The 4th house is " Simhasan " and the 9th house is luck. There is a

mutual aspect between the 2. This person can compete for

the `throne'. Venus lagna lord is in the 9th house – enhances luck.

 

Sun is important for fame and a political career – Obama has a

digbala sun in 10th being aspected by Jupiter and conjunct with

mercury!

 

The 4th lord Saturn is in 4th house – excellent strong house. Jupiter

6th lord in 4th indicates competitive spirity – note Saturn Jupiter

mercury and sun are forming multiple rajyogas.

 

There are gaja kesari yogas present – despite being weak.

 

 

King regards

Sorabh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Sorabh,

>

> ///this time has been tested by myself and another student of K N

rao to

> verify some past events///

>

> It would be good if you could share this (verification of past

events)

> with the group.

> _________________________

>

> Dear Arun,

>

> ///on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

confirmation

> of the date.///

>

> The date is Aug 4, 1961

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 PM

> Re: McCain & Obama

>

>

> Dear Arun

>

> the time i am using for Obama is 13:26 (no dst) - lagna should be

> libra - this time has been tested by myself and another student of

K

> N rao to verify some past events - It is entirely up to you of

course

> which time you would like to use - but this one seems very accurate

> to me

>

> Kind regards

> Sorabh

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " arun " <savitarcyber@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

> confirmation

> > of the date. The 12th lord is in the lagna, along with the 6th and

> > 8th lord in the 7th house, with Rahu in the 8th. Even the Dasa

Lord

> > Jupiter is inauspicious (3rd and 12th Lord), placed in the

> lagna.....

> >

> > I checked relevant sites for daylight saving time but during 1961

> > there was no daylight saving.

> >

> >

> > regards

> > arun

> >

>

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Dear Wendy and Sorabh,

 

the TOB 7:24 pm and DOB 4th August 1961, cannot give us the chart of

the man who beat Hillary Clinton. It is possible to work back and

estimate the TOB, but if we are to question the time of birth, Then

what prevents us from questioning the other details of birth ?.....

 

 

Regards

arun

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Sorabh,

>

> ///this time has been tested by myself and another student of K N

rao to

> verify some past events///

>

> It would be good if you could share this (verification of past

events)

> with the group.

> _________________________

>

> Dear Arun,

>

> ///on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

confirmation

> of the date.///

>

> The date is Aug 4, 1961

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 PM

> Re: McCain & Obama

>

>

> Dear Arun

>

> the time i am using for Obama is 13:26 (no dst) - lagna should be

> libra - this time has been tested by myself and another student of

K

> N rao to verify some past events - It is entirely up to you of

course

> which time you would like to use - but this one seems very accurate

> to me

>

> Kind regards

> Sorabh

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " arun " <savitarcyber@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

> confirmation

> > of the date. The 12th lord is in the lagna, along with the 6th and

> > 8th lord in the 7th house, with Rahu in the 8th. Even the Dasa

Lord

> > Jupiter is inauspicious (3rd and 12th Lord), placed in the

> lagna.....

> >

> > I checked relevant sites for daylight saving time but during 1961

> > there was no daylight saving.

> >

> >

> > regards

> > arun

> >

>

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Dear Arun

 

In addition to my earlier email, I definately agree this time does

not make sense as you have mentioned. Having mercury and sun

especially in the 7th house wud certainly show some events in his

marriage - but his marriage seems quite strong and stable. However, I

dont think that being in the dasha of the 12th lord and 3rd lord is

necessarily bad - or having 12th lord in lagna is bad either - I

think it depends on more factors. Also, having a deb jupiter in the

lagna wouldnt be so bad either especially when its with the lagna

lord itself. Neverthless, I agree with you and do not regard this as

the correct time.

 

Kind regards

Sorabh

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " arun " <savitarcyber wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

confirmation

> of the date. The 12th lord is in the lagna, along with the 6th and

> 8th lord in the 7th house, with Rahu in the 8th. Even the Dasa Lord

> Jupiter is inauspicious (3rd and 12th Lord), placed in the

lagna.....

>

> I checked relevant sites for daylight saving time but during 1961

> there was no daylight saving.

>

>

> regards

> arun

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

> <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishnan,

> >

> > Perhaps you missed the earlier conversations (here) regarding

> Barack

> > Obama's birth certificate displayed on his own (authenticated)

> website.

> > This was made public as a response to the accusations that he was

> not a

> > US citizen. I, in fact, put the BC in our " Files " section on Jun

> 13,

> > 2008. See here:

> > jyotish-vidyaBirth%

> 20Certificates/

> >

> > You can also see it on the official Obama site " Fight The Smears "

> > barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome

> >

> > Also the (faulty) link you sent...here is the proper link:

> > http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html

> > has his time as 7:24 pm (quoted from his BC).

> >

> > As for the authenticity of the BC itself we should bear in mind

> that

> > Obama is himself a lawyer and would therefore be well aware of

the

> > consequences of making available to the public a false/fraudulent

> > certificate. I am therefore satisfied that, although the

> certificate

> > number has been blacked out (to prevent reproduction), the actual

> > information on the certificate would be authentic. It would be

> political

> > suicide to knowingly make public a fraudulent document, and I'm

> sure

> > Obama and his advisers are well aware of this.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ___

> >

> >

> > -

> > " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99@>

> > <jyotish-vidya >

> > Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24 AM

> > Re: McCain & Obama

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Eligio,

> > Iam entirely in agreement with you.The timing of birth some how

> seem to

> > be inconsisitent in sevaral cases>in the case of Mr Barrack Obama

> timing

> > has been mentioned as 1.06PM that ie elading to the Ascendant of

> > libra.Source :http://www.neptunecafe.com/obama.html.

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio@> wrote:

> >

> > ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio@>

> > Re: McCain & Obama

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

> >

> >

> > Dear Arun,

> > As we all know, the time of birth on both individuals can not be

> taken as

> > official time of birth because the lack of accurate verification,

> but I

> > have take my own initiative in using the times that i have been

> able to

> > locate.

> >

> > I have some info, in reference to Obama, my info everything

checks

> with

> > the exception of Longitude which is very slight I have 157W59.

> >

> > About McCain, again in this case i used gut feelings and

according

> to the

> > time available I used 9:10:22

> >

>

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Dear Arun

 

I agree that the time 7.24pm is incorrect - however the actual date

itself is not - look at the chart on the day without a time - i.e

from moon chart - u will still see some very good rajyogas indicating

a strong political career.

 

Kind regards

Sorabh

 

 

-- In jyotish-vidya , " arun " <savitarcyber wrote:

>

> Dear Wendy and Sorabh,

>

> the TOB 7:24 pm and DOB 4th August 1961, cannot give us the chart

of

> the man who beat Hillary Clinton. It is possible to work back and

> estimate the TOB, but if we are to question the time of birth, Then

> what prevents us from questioning the other details of birth ?.....

>

>

> Regards

> arun

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

> <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sorabh,

> >

> > ///this time has been tested by myself and another student of K N

> rao to

> > verify some past events///

> >

> > It would be good if you could share this (verification of past

> events)

> > with the group.

> > _________________________

> >

> > Dear Arun,

> >

> > ///on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

> confirmation

> > of the date.///

> >

> > The date is Aug 4, 1961

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ___

> >

> >

> > -

> > " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma@>

> > <jyotish-vidya >

> > Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 PM

> > Re: McCain & Obama

> >

> >

> > Dear Arun

> >

> > the time i am using for Obama is 13:26 (no dst) - lagna should be

> > libra - this time has been tested by myself and another student

of

> K

> > N rao to verify some past events - It is entirely up to you of

> course

> > which time you would like to use - but this one seems very

accurate

> > to me

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Sorabh

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " arun " <savitarcyber@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

> > confirmation

> > > of the date. The 12th lord is in the lagna, along with the 6th

and

> > > 8th lord in the 7th house, with Rahu in the 8th. Even the Dasa

> Lord

> > > Jupiter is inauspicious (3rd and 12th Lord), placed in the

> > lagna.....

> > >

> > > I checked relevant sites for daylight saving time but during

1961

> > > there was no daylight saving.

> > >

> > >

> > > regards

> > > arun

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Sri Arun,Sorabh an others,

based on sun sign of Mr.Barrack Obama,some predictions were made in a popular

Astrological magzine almost over one year back.These predictions however seems

to gone awry as on date as the subsequent events have made Mr.Barrack Obama as

one of the leading contestant of the gubernatorial postion.

Considering that he belongs to Vrsihab rasi with exalted moon ,his 5th will be

virgo of the moon who also happens to be lord of 2nd and 5th lords.his effective

communications and even his public speeches along with some charisma have so far

tilted in his favour.

while considering from this point of view,his 9th will be capricorn where the

sign lord is in own sign along with debilitated 6th lord.

may be i just recall to writing of late B.V.Raman saying,rasi lord venus is in

2nd from his own house,dispositor mercury too in the next sign and also 8th lord

is in 2nd house from own sign.These are considered as progressive palcements

that give hopes and indiactions for raise inlife to lead upto washington and to

white house.

Then his 7th happening to be afflicted could not have bought so much of public

appeal and support till date.Then in his personal life issues relating to

marriage as on date have not come to media attention.But saturn and jupiter

being retrograde could only convey that his marriage and present life partner

would be as per his family elders and that way can be arranged as happens elese

where in the wolrd.

This however should not miss our attention of the jupiter aspect on moon and

also the sign cancer sign in which both sun and mercury are located. and on

virgo,the lord of which posited in on labhastan ie 11th.from there.

Since these indications emerge from a data(particularly time of birth) not very

dependable ,probably our approach could be to just to make out from sun sign and

then moon sign too.Lagna dependant more on precision of birth time couls assist

us in stellar positions too and deliberate to find his further prospects which

are at a very crucial stage as far as US is concerned and Presidency there.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote:

 

mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma

Re: McCain & Obama

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, August 23, 2008, 8:36 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Arun

 

In addition to my earlier email, I definately agree this time does

not make sense as you have mentioned. Having mercury and sun

especially in the 7th house wud certainly show some events in his

marriage - but his marriage seems quite strong and stable. However, I

dont think that being in the dasha of the 12th lord and 3rd lord is

necessarily bad - or having 12th lord in lagna is bad either - I

think it depends on more factors. Also, having a deb jupiter in the

lagna wouldnt be so bad either especially when its with the lagna

lord itself. Neverthless, I agree with you and do not regard this as

the correct time.

 

Kind regards

Sorabh

 

jyotish-vidya, " arun " <savitarcyber@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> on viewing Obama's chart, my initial assessment requires

confirmation

> of the date. The 12th lord is in the lagna, along with the 6th and

> 8th lord in the 7th house, with Rahu in the 8th. Even the Dasa Lord

> Jupiter is inauspicious (3rd and 12th Lord), placed in the

lagna.....

>

> I checked relevant sites for daylight saving time but during 1961

> there was no daylight saving.

>

>

> regards

> arun

>

> jyotish-vidya, " Wendy Vasicek "

> <jyotishvidya@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishnan,

> >

> > Perhaps you missed the earlier conversations (here) regarding

> Barack

> > Obama's birth certificate displayed on his own (authenticated)

> website.

> > This was made public as a response to the accusations that he was

> not a

> > US citizen. I, in fact, put the BC in our " Files " section on Jun

> 13,

> > 2008. See here:

> > http://groups. / group/jyotish- vidya Birth%

> 20Certificates/

> >

> > You can also see it on the official Obama site " Fight The Smears "

> > barackoba ma.com/page/ content/fightthe smearshome

> >

> > Also the (faulty) link you sent...here is the proper link:

> > http://www.neptunec afe.com/obama. html

> > has his time as 7:24 pm (quoted from his BC).

> >

> > As for the authenticity of the BC itself we should bear in mind

> that

> > Obama is himself a lawyer and would therefore be well aware of

the

> > consequences of making available to the public a false/fraudulent

> > certificate. I am therefore satisfied that, although the

> certificate

> > number has been blacked out (to prevent reproduction) , the actual

> > information on the certificate would be authentic. It would be

> political

> > suicide to knowingly make public a fraudulent document, and I'm

> sure

> > Obama and his advisers are well aware of this.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya .com

> > ____________ _________ _________ _______

> >

> >

> > -

> > " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99@>

> > <jyotish-vidya>

> > Friday, August 22, 2008 1:24 AM

> > Re: McCain & Obama

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Eligio,

> > Iam entirely in agreement with you.The timing of birth some how

> seem to

> > be inconsisitent in sevaral cases>in the case of Mr Barrack Obama

> timing

> > has been mentioned as 1.06PM that ie elading to the Ascendant of

> > libra.Source :http://www.neptunec afe.com/obama. html.

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio@ > wrote:

> >

> > ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio@ >

> > Re: McCain & Obama

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

> >

> >

> > Dear Arun,

> > As we all know, the time of birth on both individuals can not be

> taken as

> > official time of birth because the lack of accurate verification,

> but I

> > have take my own initiative in using the times that i have been

> able to

> > locate.

> >

> > I have some info, in reference to Obama, my info everything

checks

> with

> > the exception of Longitude which is very slight I have 157W59.

> >

> > About McCain, again in this case i used gut feelings and

according

> to the

> > time available I used 9:10:22

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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