Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dear All, I am a learner in astrolgy and started reading Bhrigusahita. Very informative book. But there is no mention of Kal sarpa yoga in this book. From varous web sites I collected information about KSY that if all main(Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupitor, Mercury,Saturn and Mars) planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu in Janma Patri,then It is called as KSY. Depending on the positions of Rahu there are twelve types of KSY. Out of these twelve if Rahu is in Sixth bhava and ketu is in twelveth then it is called as Mahapadma KSY. Can any body throw some light on this aspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dear Sir/Madam There is hardly any information in the ancient texts of kaal sarp yoga or even the dreaded sadesati .....personally i think some yogas have been created by false pundits in an attempt to make money for useless rectification of the yogas and dasha periods! I have come across a few charts with this so called kaal sarp yoga but it did not seem to affect the people concerned so much - do u believe your chart has the same yoga ? regards sorabh jyotish-vidya , " skaryakarte " <skaryakarte wrote: > > Dear All, > I am a learner in astrolgy and started reading Bhrigusahita. Very > informative book. But there is no mention of Kal sarpa yoga in this > book. From varous web sites I collected information about KSY that if > all main(Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupitor, Mercury,Saturn and Mars) planets > are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu in Janma Patri,then It is called as > KSY. Depending on the positions of Rahu there are twelve types of KSY. > Out of these twelve if Rahu is in Sixth bhava and ketu is in twelveth > then it is called as Mahapadma KSY. Can any body throw some light on > this aspect? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dear Sorabh and All, Yes, I agree that there really is no foundation for this much-touted KSY. If we consider other classical yogas, such as the Lunar/Solar yogas for instance, the Nodes are not considered at all. We're told that any planet, EXCLUDING THE NODES, in 2nd or 12th from the luminaries take part in these yogas. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma <jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 18, 2008 1:45 AM Re: Kalsarpa yoga Dear Sir/Madam There is hardly any information in the ancient texts of kaal sarp yoga or even the dreaded sadesati .....personally i think some yogas have been created by false pundits in an attempt to make money for useless rectification of the yogas and dasha periods! I have come across a few charts with this so called kaal sarp yoga but it did not seem to affect the people concerned so much - do u believe your chart has the same yoga ? regards sorabh jyotish-vidya , " skaryakarte " <skaryakarte wrote: > > Dear All, > I am a learner in astrolgy and started reading Bhrigusahita. Very > informative book. But there is no mention of Kal sarpa yoga in this > book. From varous web sites I collected information about KSY that if > all main(Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupitor, Mercury,Saturn and Mars) planets > are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu in Janma Patri,then It is called as > KSY. Depending on the positions of Rahu there are twelve types of KSY. > Out of these twelve if Rahu is in Sixth bhava and ketu is in twelveth > then it is called as Mahapadma KSY. Can any body throw some light on > this aspect? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dear Col. Chandran, I'm answering this on the group as I'm sure you must have sent it to my mailbox in error. ///However there is a mention about two yogas in one of our books where Rahu is considered. One is " Grihana yoga " , when Rahu is conjunct Moon. This yoga will give good results in " Yugma Rasi " and in Leo Rasi and negative results in all other houses as per the book./// You might care to look at the horoscope of Mahatma Gandhi with MA/RA conjunct in 10th house of actions/name/fame etc, in sign of Cancer...a Yugma (Even) sign. It's also stated that Rahu becomes a YogaKaraka when occupying a trine in conjunction with a kendra lord, or a kendra in conjunction with a trinal lord. ///Second one is called Guru-Chandaal Yoga when Guru and Rahu are conjunct. Rahu takes away all beneficial characteristics of Guru./// Guru-Chandala Yoga is formed when WEAK Jupiter conjuncts Rahu. A clear explanation of this can be found here: http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm Just scroll down to the link " Rahu as the Protector of Dharma " in right column. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " skm chandran " <colchandran " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya Monday, August 18, 2008 3:29 PM Re: Kalsarpa yoga Dear Mrs. Wendy, I had oppurtunity to discuss this KSY with few of leading astrologers in Kerala.They dont give any importance to this configuration for predictions. They have the same view as you have expressed. However there is a mention about two yogas in one of our books where Rahu is considered. One is " Grihana yoga " , when Rahu is conjunct Moon. This yoga will give good results in " Yugma Rasi " and in Leo Rasi and negative results in all other houses as per the book. Second one is called Guru-Chandaal Yoga when Guru and Rahu are conjunct. Rahu takes away all beneficial characteristics of Guru. Here even though yoga is mentioned, it must be meaning conjunction only. In classical yogas chapters of the books, Rahu and Ketu are not considered at all, as you have pointed out. Regards, Col.Chandran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Correction! {You might care to look at the horoscope of Mahatma Gandhi with MA/RA} That, of course, should read MO/RA... _ Dear Col. Chandran, I'm answering this on the group as I'm sure you must have sent it to my mailbox in error. ///However there is a mention about two yogas in one of our books where Rahu is considered. One is " Grihana yoga " , when Rahu is conjunct Moon. This yoga will give good results in " Yugma Rasi " and in Leo Rasi and negative results in all other houses as per the book./// You might care to look at the horoscope of Mahatma Gandhi with MA/RA conjunct in 10th house of actions/name/fame etc, in sign of Cancer...a Yugma (Even) sign. It's also stated that Rahu becomes a YogaKaraka when occupying a trine in conjunction with a kendra lord, or a kendra in conjunction with a trinal lord. ///Second one is called Guru-Chandaal Yoga when Guru and Rahu are conjunct. Rahu takes away all beneficial characteristics of Guru./// Guru-Chandala Yoga is formed when WEAK Jupiter conjuncts Rahu. A clear explanation of this can be found here: http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm Just scroll down to the link " Rahu as the Protector of Dharma " in right column. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " skm chandran " <colchandran " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya Monday, August 18, 2008 3:29 PM Re: Kalsarpa yoga Dear Mrs. Wendy, I had oppurtunity to discuss this KSY with few of leading astrologers in Kerala.They dont give any importance to this configuration for predictions. They have the same view as you have expressed. However there is a mention about two yogas in one of our books where Rahu is considered. One is " Grihana yoga " , when Rahu is conjunct Moon. This yoga will give good results in " Yugma Rasi " and in Leo Rasi and negative results in all other houses as per the book. Second one is called Guru-Chandaal Yoga when Guru and Rahu are conjunct. Rahu takes away all beneficial characteristics of Guru. Here even though yoga is mentioned, it must be meaning conjunction only. In classical yogas chapters of the books, Rahu and Ketu are not considered at all, as you have pointed out. Regards, Col.Chandran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dear Mrs Wendy, Rahu is considered to be showering during dasa sevaral gains leading to material benifits.As a shadow planets it is likekly to give benifits as per it's position.It also known as planet giving confusion and gets involved in changing the course life.In several spirtul heads Rahu is seen to give a different kind of saintly life. vrkishnan --- On Mon, 8/18/08, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma Re: Kalsarpa yoga jyotish-vidya Monday, August 18, 2008, 5:43 AM Dear Wendy Ji I really liked this post - I am so glad to see someone type Rahu can become a yogakaraka planet! - Its about time some astrologers realise that Rahu is not always bad - he has been given too much of a bad reputation! Kind regards Sorabh jyotish-vidya, " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Col. Chandran, > > I'm answering this on the group as I'm sure you must have sent it to my > mailbox in error. > > ///However there is a mention about two yogas in one of our books where > Rahu is considered. One is " Grihana yoga " , when Rahu is conjunct Moon. > This yoga will give good results in " Yugma Rasi " and in Leo Rasi and > negative results in all other houses as per the book./// > > You might care to look at the horoscope of Mahatma Gandhi with MA/RA > conjunct in 10th house of actions/name/ fame etc, in sign of Cancer...a > Yugma (Even) sign. > > It's also stated that Rahu becomes a YogaKaraka when occupying a trine in > conjunction with a kendra lord, or a kendra in conjunction with a trinal > lord. > > ///Second one is called Guru-Chandaal Yoga when Guru and Rahu are > conjunct. Rahu takes away all beneficial characteristics of Guru./// > > Guru-Chandala Yoga is formed when WEAK Jupiter conjuncts Rahu. A clear > explanation of this can be found here: http://jyotishvidya .com/nodes. htm > > Just scroll down to the link " Rahu as the Protector of Dharma " in right > column. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya .com > ____________ _________ _________ _______ > > > - > " skm chandran " <colchandran@ ...> > " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya@ ...> > Monday, August 18, 2008 3:29 PM > Re: Kalsarpa yoga > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > I had oppurtunity to discuss this KSY with few of leading astrologers in > Kerala.They dont give any importance to this configuration for > predictions. They have the same view as you have expressed. > However there is a mention about two yogas in one of our books where Rahu > is considered. > One is " Grihana yoga " , when Rahu is conjunct Moon. This yoga will give > good results in " Yugma Rasi " and in Leo Rasi and negative results in all > other houses as per the book. > Second one is called Guru-Chandaal Yoga when Guru and Rahu are conjunct. > Rahu takes away all beneficial characteristics of Guru. > Here even though yoga is mentioned, it must be meaning conjunction only. > In classical yogas chapters of the books, Rahu and Ketu are not > considered at all, as you have pointed out. > Regards, > Col.Chandran > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dear Krishnan, ///and gets involved in changing the course life./// Yes, it's said that Rahu in a kendra often indicates major (life) changes. This has certainly proved true in my case. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 18, 2008 6:40 PM Re: Re: Kalsarpa yoga Dear Mrs Wendy, Rahu is considered to be showering during dasa sevaral gains leading to material benifits.As a shadow planets it is likekly to give benifits as per it's position.It also known as planet giving confusion and gets involved in changing the course life.In several spirtul heads Rahu is seen to give a different kind of saintly life. vrkishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dear Sorabh, ///There is hardly any information in the ancient texts of kaal sarp yoga or even the dreaded sadesati .../// Although there is no basis, as far as I know, to support KSY, sadesati is a different matter entirely. Going back to the solar/lunar yogas for instance, it's stated that benefics in 2nd/12th from the luminaries can indicate favourable effects whilst malefics will produce contrary effects. Saturn, as we know, is a natural malefic. So, I would say, there certainly is some (scriptural) basis for sadesati. There's little doubt in my mind that Saturn's transit (sadesati) can certainly result in heaviness of mind/emotions...at the very least. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma <jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 18, 2008 1:45 AM Re: Kalsarpa yoga Dear Sir/Madam There is hardly any information in the ancient texts of kaal sarp yoga or even the dreaded sadesati .....personally i think some yogas have been created by false pundits in an attempt to make money for useless rectification of the yogas and dasha periods! I have come across a few charts with this so called kaal sarp yoga but it did not seem to affect the people concerned so much - do u believe your chart has the same yoga ? regards sorabh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dear Wendy Ji You are right in what you say - I guess i termed it wrong - what i meant to say was a lot of astrologers that I have come across in india and UK seem to base a lot of lifes problems on saadesati or saturn without even looking at other yogas or dasha periods- I guess I am biased and happen to like saturn in some ways (even though in my own chart he has caused pain also) - but at the end of the day he is the upholder of moral truth -and its through his hard work that we become better people and try to lead more spiritual lives. Warm regards Sorabh jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Sorabh, > > ///There is hardly any information in the ancient texts of kaal sarp yoga > or even the dreaded sadesati .../// > > Although there is no basis, as far as I know, to support KSY, sadesati is > a different matter entirely. Going back to the solar/lunar yogas for > instance, it's stated that benefics in 2nd/12th from the luminaries can > indicate favourable effects whilst malefics will produce contrary > effects. Saturn, as we know, is a natural malefic. So, I would say, there > certainly is some (scriptural) basis for sadesati. > > There's little doubt in my mind that Saturn's transit (sadesati) can > certainly result in heaviness of mind/emotions...at the very least. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma > <jyotish-vidya > > Monday, August 18, 2008 1:45 AM > Re: Kalsarpa yoga > > > Dear Sir/Madam > > There is hardly any information in the ancient texts of kaal sarp yoga > or even the dreaded sadesati .....personally i think some yogas have > been created by false pundits in an attempt to make money for useless > rectification of the yogas and dasha periods! I have come across a few > charts with this so called kaal sarp yoga but it did not seem to affect > the people concerned so much - do u believe your chart has the same > yoga ? > > regards > sorabh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dear Col. Chandran, ///The portion " Rahu as Protector " has been blanked out in the site./// It's a popup window...perhaps your computer is set to block popups? Here is a link to the page itself: http://jyotishvidya.com/rahu.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " skm chandran " <colchandran <jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 PM Re: Re: Kalsarpa yoga Dear Mrs. Wendy, Thank you for sending the link. The portion " Rahu as Protector " has been blanked out in the site. Regards, Col.Chandran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dear Madam, Some body else in the group was also trying to elobarate On Gaja Kesari Yoga apart from Kalasarpa Yoga brought out here as realting to Rahu-Ketu,two nodal palnets. Yogas though form part for astrological considerations,it is not that the results will be as per classics or some other writings envisaged elese where.Yogas may give hopes and sometimes aspirations.It does not mean that those hopes will not materialise. All Clasics given due regard major 7 planets and believed that rahu and Ketu act more like Saturn and Mars respectively. It does not mean that bothe these nodal planets contributing to nearly 25 years of life in terms of dasha do not contribute for very good results. Mrs Wendy has already mentioned about leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Ketu too has given such unexpected abrupt changes in life which contributed to the growth and development of many Doctors and Scientists. Ofcourse being basically malefic in nature,these shadow planets do impact life with reference to family matters and relationships. Even Rahu involves when badly aspected by malefic planets do lead to loss of social status and some time put into cladestine affairs. vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya Re: Re: Kalsarpa yoga jyotish-vidya Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:00 AM Dear Sorabh, ///There is hardly any information in the ancient texts of kaal sarp yoga or even the dreaded sadesati .../// Although there is no basis, as far as I know, to support KSY, sadesati is a different matter entirely. Going back to the solar/lunar yogas for instance, it's stated that benefics in 2nd/12th from the luminaries can indicate favourable effects whilst malefics will produce contrary effects. Saturn, as we know, is a natural malefic. So, I would say, there certainly is some (scriptural) basis for sadesati. There's little doubt in my mind that Saturn's transit (sadesati) can certainly result in heaviness of mind/emotions. ..at the very least. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma@ > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, August 18, 2008 1:45 AM Re: Kalsarpa yoga Dear Sir/Madam There is hardly any information in the ancient texts of kaal sarp yoga or even the dreaded sadesati .....personally i think some yogas have been created by false pundits in an attempt to make money for useless rectification of the yogas and dasha periods! I have come across a few charts with this so called kaal sarp yoga but it did not seem to affect the people concerned so much - do u believe your chart has the same yoga ? regards sorabh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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