Fw: Rationale of Lal Kitab ? ?

May 5, 2008

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1The Editor <lalkitabCc: Umesh Sharma <mudit982001Monday, 5 May, 2008 12:55:26 PMFw: Rationale of Lal Kitab ? ?

> Dears Rajni Khan & Kulbir,> You were the ones who started the "Rationale" controversy...now face it > boldly....Do not run away from it...If you people have any self-respect> left, please answer my question and give me the Rationale for Lal> Kitab...instead of beating around the bush...already you people have> wasted a month or so...and have not yet found the answer...try as you> did...and even if one accepts for the moment,that the Great SEER had> himself written a book,it must have been in

Pharsi...who has> translated it ? Is the translation authenticated by the SEER himself ?> (all questions unanswered...yet...)...> You had better give me an answer in two> days time,by the evening of the 7th May,2008...

ALL MEMBERS ARE WATCHING YOU...KEENLY...> COME ON FOLKS, YOUVE GOT JUST TWO DAYS LEFT...

IF YOU CANNOT...THEY WILL ALL KNOW...! !> L.Y.Rao.

> >> > Kulbirji,> >> >> >> > Bingo. You have said it better. I am with you. Let us first sort the> > authenticity of the books and then move further. Mr. Rao - first> let us sort> > this out.> >> >> >> >> >> > lalkitab > > [lalkitab ] On Behalf Of kulbir bance> > Saturday, May 03, 2008 22:09> > lalkitab > > Re: [lalkitab] Re: Mr. L Y Rao's views - a little> sanity> > please> >> >> >> > Respected rajni ji, there is no end to such questions.> >> > why do traditional astrology takes mangal karak for brother, venus> for> > spouse etc, is there any rational, did the planets speak that i am> karak of> > such and such objects, where is the position of earth in kundali;> the list> > is endless. when such concepts are accepted without any fus . what> is the> > problem about lakitab. u r indeed right can any body explain the> rational of> > astrology in one reply.> >> > rao sir is still not ready to accept that lalkitab 5 editions were>

published> > by pt ji. first he says they were written after his death, now he> is side> > tracking the issue. lets settle this issue on priority, please ask> him what> > type of proof he needs. it is our moral duty to bring the truth> before him.> > he doesn't understands my language, please ask him on my behalf as> to what> > proof does he have to deny the authorship and what type of proof> can satisfy> > him.> >> > sincerely> >> > kulbirbance> >> >> >> > On 5/1/08, Rajni Khan <rajni.khan wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Rao,> >> >> >> > Have I been really impolite? In my mails, never nor can be. I guess> you have> > confused everyone to be a part of a big group and are criticizing> them

all> > in one go. For the record, I have not done any impoliteness to you.> >> >> >> > The rationale was explained to you many times. You choose to ignore> it or> > this is how I and perhaps understand.> >> >> >> > Asking a question like this is asking too much. What is the> rationale of> > astrology itself?> >> >> >> > There is a logic in LK. You are free to embrace it or not embrace> it.> >> >> >> > Imagine the same question - what is the logic to KP? You will give> the> > explanations. May be they are not valid enough for me.> >> >> >> > You say that every one has run away. No one has run away. I have> been> > keeping quiet as it is no use debating the issue with you as

you> have not> > taken the discussion further than what is the rationale of LK. As> mentioned> > earlier, what is the rationale of astrology?> >> >> >> > My view is that astrology is a method devised by human beings to> tackle the> > unknown of which most human beings are scared.> >> >> >> > Whatever will help us to alleviate this fear, is good enough for> us.> >> >> >> > I am still willing to debate this issue with you (not run away)> provided we> > can move step by step.> >> >> >> > For me and many others, LK works. As simple as that. LK itself does> not> > offer much explanation. It says, if this is so, do it. That's it.> At least> > most of the times. I am no great LK expert myself.

For instance,> Rahu in> > 11th (what is the rationale of Rahu & Ketu I wonder? Fictious> planets) - if> > the native wears a police uniform when he does not belong to police> > department, he will be behind bars in no time. This is what LK> says. Now> > what can be the rationale to this? LK has no answer, we can only> make> > conjectures. But LK works.> >> >> >> > To add fuel to fire: You can ask what is the logic of varshphal? To> my best> > knowledge, I know of no one who can answer this. We just use it. It> works> > that's all.> >> >> >> >> >> > lalkitab > > [lalkitab ] On Behalf Of L.Y.Rao.> > Thursday, May 01, 2008 21:08> > lalkitab > > [lalkitab] Re: Mr. L Y Rao's views - a little> sanity> > please> >> >> >> > Dear Savitha,> > Thank you for joining in...> > Allow me to remind you that this entire series of> > stern and severely critical replies by me,was begun by some> extremely> > impolite replies to my queries by the then editor Rajni Khan and in> > particular by Yograj...Kindly read their replies first and then>

write> > back...Yograj also tried to impress me by saying that he was> earning> > a 7-figure salary...! ?> > Secondly,I am a member of only the K.P. Astrology> > Group,and have been involved in research in K.P.,and it was by> sheer> > chance that I logged on to this site and read the claims made about> > LK and it's "remedies"...by some of the followers of LK.( By the> > way,I have a lot of friends who repose their faith in LK remedies...> > I asked all of them if there was any literature> > written by the Great SEER himself...and asked them a simple> > query...IS THERE ANY RATIONALE FOR LK PREDICTIONS & REMEDIES....?> If> > so,what ?> > I also asked them..." since you all strongly believe> > in the Karma theory,every thing is predestined...How can remedies> > help at all ?"> >

THAT STARTED IT ALL...I HAD LET LOOSE A BEE IN THEIR> > HATS...IT SEEMED...> > Then Umesh Sharma,as a rejoinder asked me the> > rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa...which I provided them with> > promptly TO THEIR GREAT CHAGRIN...it now appears...since then, they> > became hostile...because it was their turn to provide a rationale> for> > LK... Hostility they thought would make me back off...BUT I DID> > NOT...EVERYBODY THEN RAN TO THEIR RESCUE...WITH BIZARRE> EXPLANATIONS,> > WHICH WERE PROMPTLY DEMOLISHED...> > One person asked me what is mant by TITHI...I replied> > that K.P. does not recognise or use Tithis...and that tithi is a> > method of expressing the distance between the Sun and the Moon on a> > particular day...and so on...> > INSTEAD OF REPLYING TO MY FIRST QUERY,THEY THEN> > CONTINUED TO BE

ON THE OFFENSIVE... INSTEAD OF PLAINLY ADMITTING> THAT> > THE GREAT SEER HIMSELF HAD WRITTEN NO BOOK NOR HAD HE MADE ANY> > NOTES...(WHICH FACT I WAS ALREADY AWARE OF... BUT WAS NOT VERY> > CERTAIN ABOUT...)> > You seem totally silent about...the language of Mike> > M's mails...you are certainly biased...> > Whether people like you,Savitha,recognise me as a K.P.> > Astrologer or not,I don't really care...I have studied astrology> > since 1960's...> > But from whatever you have written TWO FACTS> > EMERGE...ONE IS THAT YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THE ENTIRE CONVERSATIONS> > BETWEEN ME AND YOUR FRIENDS....THE OTHER IS THAT YOU ARE STILL> > BIASED ...AND OF ALL THINGS,YOU HAVE TAKEN UMBRAGE AT MY> > LANGUAGE,,,BUT ARE LOUDLY SILENT ON THE LANGUAGE USED BY YOUR> FRIENDS> > SUCH AS MIKE M.,AND TAKING POTSHOT AT ME

BY QUESTIONING MY ABILITY> > AND PROFICIENCY AS A K.P. ASTROLOGER...BE THAT AS IT MAY...I DO NOT> > NEED ANY CERTIFICATES FROM ANYBODY...NEITHER DO I HAVE...IF THAT> > PLEASES YOU...> > I agree with you,I certainly CAN be gentler,and AM...> > but I reserve my right to react strongly and wiftly if needlessly> > provoked especially by foul language...> > I gues Savitha pl. go through the entire> > correspondence,and try to be FAIR...> > Let me ask you,frankly...who put you up to this ?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> >> > >> > > I have been following this exchange avidly. While Mr. Rao could be> > > gentler and non-offensive in his mannerisms, the points he raises> > can> > > be discussed, not to justify anyone but for people like myself who> > > would want to

participate in the debate but are scared and put> off> > by> > > the uncivilized language on occasions. (Is Mr. Rao really a senior> > > citizen?)> > >> > > As I could understand, the debate can be summed up as following:> > >> > > 1. Initially Mr. Rao questions Lal Kitab's veracity and jeers the> > > followers to prove it.> > >> > > 2. A flood of response from LK lovers asking Mr. Rao to keep> quiet,> > > get out or irrelevant responses. Few, from Rajni, Umesh (though> > > keeping track of hindi in capital letters is tedious), Yograj try> to> > > sanely present the case. They simply ask him to read the book and> > then> > > question.> > >> > > 3. A lot of unnecessary emails (hate). Very disturbing.> >

>> > > 4. Mr. Rao changes tack or accepts that the LK originator Pt. Rup> > > Chandji was a seer but today's LK practioners are not in the same> > league.> > >> > > I have not read the book. My interest is in solutions. The right> > > solution ofcourse. When this topic opened up, I was eager to know> > all> > > sides of the arguments. Sadly, as this becomes a fight amongst the> > > professional astrolgers, which was not needed.> > >> > > As a user I seek solutions. I have used vedic with uncertain> > results,> > > KP with questionable readings (and they do not offer any> remedies)> > and> > > LK remedies with results (though are they due to the remedies or> > just> > > existence was playing a game with me).> > >> >

> I particularly like someone's statement in one of the forums where> > > he/she said that performing LK remedies is your Karma's chance to> > you> > > to correct the imbalance. Not everyone gets the opportunity. This> > > statement can be true for everything including medicine.> > >> > > My request: Can the parties involved be polite and discuss the> issue> > > here. If you choose to disagree, then you can continue to be> > > participant with your views as those views add to the global> > > knowledge. Hopefully we will be able to invite others to join the> > > debate and share their experiences - rewarding as well as> > > disappointing. Do we want to put them away?> > >> > > I am confused. If Mr. Rao is as elder as he claims and if he> > practices> > > KP

then he cannot use such language or even if he can, he will> > > certainly refrain from so. Is it a KP professional astrolger who> has> > > been hurt by LK's fan following? I do not see Mr. Rao> participating> > in> > > other forums - either he is not a member there or he is banned> from> > > there. Whatever!> > >> > > Neverthless, we still can be civil and stick to the agenda. At> least> > > we can try.> > >> >

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