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Girishji,

 

While your sentiment is understood and appreciated, I personally

will request the moderator that this thread to continue for the following

reasons:

 

1.

Mr. Rao in his zeal to disprove LK will do LK good by asking

questions and forcing members to come up with answers. This will help us decode

the LK more.

2.

It is true, whether Mr. Rao believes in it or not is of no

consequence. Moderator should and as I understand from recent mails is stopping

or asking Mr. Rao to correct his language.

3.

Mr. Rao can always be stopped. Why now? My guess - It is

possible that he has been professionally hurt by the success of LK and is

retaliating in this manner. LK is much above such criticisms. (a couplet from

Rahim: nindak nere raakhiye, aagan kuti chabhai). One who criticises, keep him

close and if possible let him build his house next to your house.

4.

I am hopeful that once Mr. Rao will come to step by step way of

approaching, much benefit shall happen. Only if Mr. Rao will oblige us –

which seems unlikely at present.

 

Furthermore, Mr. Rao is claiming that his rationale for

Vimshottri was sent to all members. I have not received any, if any other

member has received it, please forward it.

 

 

 

 

lalkitab

[lalkitab ] On Behalf Of girish_raheja

Monday, May 05, 2008 11:06

lalkitab

[lalkitab] Re: Mr. L Y Rao's views - a little sanity

please

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

 

Soye huye ko to jagaya ja sakta hai. jo pahle se hi jaga hua hai

usko ap kaise jagayenge.

 

isliye Rao saheb ka peechha chhor kar kam ki baten karen.

 

agar ek admi Lal Kitab ka virodhi hai to uske na man ne se kya fark

pad ta hai. Lakhon log Lal Kitab ko shrddha se mante hen, ek admi na

bhi mane to kya.

 

Rao saheb hi kya, aur bahut se log hen jo Lal Kitab ko nahi mante,

to is se Lal Kitab ka prasangik hona to kam nahi hua. Lal Kitab aj

bhi utni hi prasangik hai jitni Pandit ji ke samay men thi.

 

I request the moderator to stop this thread altogether. We had

enough of Lal Kitab bashing. Now it hurts.

 

Sincerely,

 

Girish Raheja

 

lalkitab ,

" L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear Rajni Khan,

> I think that you are all looking desperately for

> excuses to side-track the issue deliberately...

> Even if we accept for the moment,that the SEER

> himself HAD written a book...MY MAIN QUESTION REMAINS UN-

ANSWERED...

> WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR THE PREDICTIONS TOTKAS

&

> REMEDIES ETC...? !

> Regarding the rationale for astrology as

such...by

> asking for which Mr Kulbir thinks he has SCORED AN ACE...most

people

> reading this will certainly LAUGH...!

> COME ON,RAJNI & KULBIR I HAVE POSTED THE

RATIONALE

> FOR VIMSHOTTARI DASA...PUBLISHED YEARS AGO IN ASTROLOGY & K.P.,

> NOW UMESH SHARMA,KULBIR AND YOU RAJNI KHAN,IT IS

> YOUR TURN TO GIVE ME THE RATIONALE OF LAL KITAB

REMEDIES,PREDICTIONS

> & TOTKAS ETC...UMESH SHARMA HAD EARLIER PLEADED NON-RECEIPT OF THE

> RATIONALE OF THE VIMSHOTTARI DASA...AND DID NOT GIVE ANY

RATIONALE...

> THIS TIME I HAVE E-MAILED IT TO ALL MEMBERS &

UMESH

> SHARMA SEPARATELY...

> DO NOT GIVE ANY MORE STUPID EXCUSES...IF YOU DO

> SO...YOU LOSE WHATEVER LITTLE CREDIBILITY YOU HAD...! !

> L.Y.Rao.

>

> > Kulbirji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Bingo. You have said it better. I am with you. Let us first sort

the

> > authenticity of the books and then move further. Mr. Rao - first

> let us sort

> > this out.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > lalkitab

> > [lalkitab ]

On Behalf Of kulbir

bance

> > Saturday, May 03, 2008 22:09

> > lalkitab

> > Re: [lalkitab] Re: Mr. L Y Rao's views - a

little

> sanity

> > please

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected rajni ji, there is no end to such questions.

> >

> > why do traditional astrology takes mangal karak for brother,

venus

> for

> > spouse etc, is there any rational, did the planets speak that i

am

> karak of

> > such and such objects, where is the position of earth in

kundali;

> the list

> > is endless. when such concepts are accepted without any fus .

what

> is the

> > problem about lakitab. u r indeed right can any body explain the

> rational of

> > astrology in one reply.

> >

> > rao sir is still not ready to accept that lalkitab 5 editions

were

> published

> > by pt ji. first he says they were written after his death, now

he

> is side

> > tracking the issue. lets settle this issue on priority, please

ask

> him what

> > type of proof he needs. it is our moral duty to bring the truth

> before him.

> > he doesn't understands my language, please ask him on my behalf

as

> to what

> > proof does he have to deny the authorship and what type of proof

> can satisfy

> > him.

> >

> > sincerely

> >

> > kulbirbance

> >

> >

> >

> > On 5/1/08, Rajni Khan <rajni.khan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Rao,

> >

> >

> >

> > Have I been really impolite? In my mails, never nor can be. I

guess

> you have

> > confused everyone to be a part of a big group and are

criticizing

> them all

> > in one go. For the record, I have not done any impoliteness to

you.

> >

> >

> >

> > The rationale was explained to you many times. You choose to

ignore

> it or

> > this is how I and perhaps understand.

> >

> >

> >

> > Asking a question like this is asking too much. What is the

> rationale of

> > astrology itself?

> >

> >

> >

> > There is a logic in LK. You are free to embrace it or not

embrace

> it.

> >

> >

> >

> > Imagine the same question - what is the logic to KP? You will

give

> the

> > explanations. May be they are not valid enough for me.

> >

> >

> >

> > You say that every one has run away. No one has run away. I have

> been

> > keeping quiet as it is no use debating the issue with you as you

> have not

> > taken the discussion further than what is the rationale of LK.

As

> mentioned

> > earlier, what is the rationale of astrology?

> >

> >

> >

> > My view is that astrology is a method devised by human beings to

> tackle the

> > unknown of which most human beings are scared.

> >

> >

> >

> > Whatever will help us to alleviate this fear, is good enough for

> us.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am still willing to debate this issue with you (not run away)

> provided we

> > can move step by step.

> >

> >

> >

> > For me and many others, LK works. As simple as that. LK itself

does

> not

> > offer much explanation. It says, if this is so, do it. That's

it.

> At least

> > most of the times. I am no great LK expert myself. For instance,

> Rahu in

> > 11th (what is the rationale of Rahu & Ketu I wonder? Fictious

> planets) - if

> > the native wears a police uniform when he does not belong to

police

> > department, he will be behind bars in no time. This is what LK

> says. Now

> > what can be the rationale to this? LK has no answer, we can only

> make

> > conjectures. But LK works.

> >

> >

> >

> > To add fuel to fire: You can ask what is the logic of varshphal?

To

> my best

> > knowledge, I know of no one who can answer this. We just use it.

It

> works

> > that's all.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > lalkitab

> > [lalkitab ]

On Behalf Of L.Y.Rao.

> > Thursday, May 01, 2008 21:08

> > lalkitab

> > [lalkitab] Re: Mr. L Y Rao's views - a little

> sanity

> > please

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Savitha,

> > Thank you for joining in...

> > Allow me to remind you that this entire series of

> > stern and severely critical replies by me,was begun by some

> extremely

> > impolite replies to my queries by the then editor Rajni Khan and

in

> > particular by Yograj...Kindly read their replies first and then

> write

> > back...Yograj also tried to impress me by saying that he was

> earning

> > a 7-figure salary...! ?

> > Secondly,I am a member of only the K.P. Astrology

> > Group,and have been involved in research in K.P.,and it was by

> sheer

> > chance that I logged on to this site and read the claims made

about

> > LK and it's " remedies " ...by some of the followers of LK.(

By the

> > way,I have a lot of friends who repose their faith in LK

remedies...

> > I asked all of them if there was any literature

> > written by the Great SEER himself...and asked them a simple

> > query...IS THERE ANY RATIONALE FOR LK PREDICTIONS &

REMEDIES....?

> If

> > so,what ?

> > I also asked them... " since you all strongly believe

> > in the Karma theory,every thing is predestined...How can

remedies

> > help at all ? "

> > THAT STARTED IT ALL...I HAD LET LOOSE A BEE IN THEIR

> > HATS...IT SEEMED...

> > Then Umesh Sharma,as a rejoinder asked me the

> > rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa...which I provided them with

> > promptly TO THEIR GREAT CHAGRIN...it now appears...since then,

they

> > became hostile...because it was their turn to provide a

rationale

> for

> > LK... Hostility they thought would make me back off...BUT I DID

> > NOT...EVERYBODY THEN RAN TO THEIR RESCUE...WITH BIZARRE

> EXPLANATIONS,

> > WHICH WERE PROMPTLY DEMOLISHED...

> > One person asked me what is mant by TITHI...I replied

> > that K.P. does not recognise or use Tithis...and that tithi is a

> > method of expressing the distance between the Sun and the Moon

on a

> > particular day...and so on...

> > INSTEAD OF REPLYING TO MY FIRST QUERY,THEY THEN

> > CONTINUED TO BE ON THE OFFENSIVE... INSTEAD OF PLAINLY ADMITTING

> THAT

> > THE GREAT SEER HIMSELF HAD WRITTEN NO BOOK NOR HAD HE MADE ANY

> > NOTES...(WHICH FACT I WAS ALREADY AWARE OF... BUT WAS NOT VERY

> > CERTAIN ABOUT...)

> > You seem totally silent about...the language of Mike

> > M's mails...you are certainly biased...

> > Whether people like you,Savitha,recognise me as a K.P.

> > Astrologer or not,I don't really care...I have studied astrology

> > since 1960's...

> > But from whatever you have written TWO FACTS

> > EMERGE...ONE IS THAT YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THE ENTIRE

CONVERSATIONS

> > BETWEEN ME AND YOUR FRIENDS....THE OTHER IS THAT YOU ARE STILL

> > BIASED ...AND OF ALL THINGS,YOU HAVE TAKEN UMBRAGE AT MY

> > LANGUAGE,,,BUT ARE LOUDLY SILENT ON THE LANGUAGE USED BY YOUR

> FRIENDS

> > SUCH AS MIKE M.,AND TAKING POTSHOT AT ME BY QUESTIONING MY

ABILITY

> > AND PROFICIENCY AS A K.P. ASTROLOGER...BE THAT AS IT MAY...I DO

NOT

> > NEED ANY CERTIFICATES FROM ANYBODY...NEITHER DO I HAVE...IF THAT

> > PLEASES YOU...

> > I agree with you,I certainly CAN be gentler,and AM...

> > but I reserve my right to react strongly and wiftly if

needlessly

> > provoked especially by foul language...

> > I gues Savitha pl. go through the entire

> > correspondence,and try to be FAIR...

> > Let me ask you,frankly...who put you up to this ?

> > With best wishes,

> > L.Y.Rao.

> >

> > >

> > > I have been following this exchange avidly. While Mr. Rao

could be

> > > gentler and non-offensive in his mannerisms, the points he

raises

> > can

> > > be discussed, not to justify anyone but for people like myself

who

> > > would want to participate in the debate but are scared and put

> off

> > by

> > > the uncivilized language on occasions. (Is Mr. Rao really a

senior

> > > citizen?)

> > >

> > > As I could understand, the debate can be summed up as

following:

> > >

> > > 1. Initially Mr. Rao questions Lal Kitab's veracity and jeers

the

> > > followers to prove it.

> > >

> > > 2. A flood of response from LK lovers asking Mr. Rao to keep

> quiet,

> > > get out or irrelevant responses. Few, from Rajni, Umesh (though

> > > keeping track of hindi in capital letters is tedious), Yograj

try

> to

> > > sanely present the case. They simply ask him to read the book

and

> > then

> > > question.

> > >

> > > 3. A lot of unnecessary emails (hate). Very disturbing.

> > >

> > > 4. Mr. Rao changes tack or accepts that the LK originator Pt.

Rup

> > > Chandji was a seer but today's LK practioners are not in the

same

> > league.

> > >

> > > I have not read the book. My interest is in solutions. The

right

> > > solution ofcourse. When this topic opened up, I was eager to

know

> > all

> > > sides of the arguments. Sadly, as this becomes a fight amongst

the

> > > professional astrolgers, which was not needed.

> > >

> > > As a user I seek solutions. I have used vedic with uncertain

> > results,

> > > KP with questionable readings (and they do not offer any

> remedies)

> > and

> > > LK remedies with results (though are they due to the remedies

or

> > just

> > > existence was playing a game with me).

> > >

> > > I particularly like someone's statement in one of the forums

where

> > > he/she said that performing LK remedies is your Karma's chance

to

> > you

> > > to correct the imbalance. Not everyone gets the opportunity.

This

> > > statement can be true for everything including medicine.

> > >

> > > My request: Can the parties involved be polite and discuss the

> issue

> > > here. If you choose to disagree, then you can continue to be

> > > participant with your views as those views add to the global

> > > knowledge. Hopefully we will be able to invite others to join

the

> > > debate and share their experiences - rewarding as well as

> > > disappointing. Do we want to put them away?

> > >

> > > I am confused. If Mr. Rao is as elder as he claims and if he

> > practices

> > > KP then he cannot use such language or even if he can, he will

> > > certainly refrain from so. Is it a KP professional astrolger

who

> has

> > > been hurt by LK's fan following? I do not see Mr. Rao

> participating

> > in

> > > other forums - either he is not a member there or he is banned

> from

> > > there. Whatever!

> > >

> > > Neverthless, we still can be civil and stick to the agenda. At

> least

> > > we can try.

> > >

> >

>

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