Fw: Rationale of Lal Kitab ? ?

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Rao sir, the books were written in urdu script ; urdu language with punjabi and pharsi words/ idioms etc which were common parlance during those days. who told u that Pt. ji wrote it in pharsi, what is the basis of such absurd claim. no one translated them in urdu. translation or transliterations were done in hindi, punjabi and english by numerous writers.

i again retreat that the books were originally written in urdu language with punjabi dialects, some pharsi pharases and words, the words of pharsi or persian are very few.

please correct yourself.

sincerely

kulbirbance.

On 5/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

The Editor <lalkitabCc: Umesh Sharma <mudit982001

Monday, 5 May, 2008 12:55:26 PMFw: Rationale of Lal Kitab ? ?

 

 

> Dears Rajni Khan & Kulbir,> You were the ones who started the " Rationale " controversy...now face it > boldly....Do not run away from it...If you people have any self-respect

> left, please answer my question and give me the Rationale for Lal> Kitab...instead of beating around the bush...already you people have> wasted a month or so...and have not yet found the answer...try as you

> did...and even if one accepts for the moment,that the Great SEER had> himself written a book,it must have been in Pharsi...who has> translated it ? Is the translation authenticated by the SEER himself ?

> (all questions unanswered...yet...)...> You had better give me an answer in two> days time,by the evening of the 7th May,2008...

ALL MEMBERS ARE WATCHING YOU...KEENLY...> COME ON FOLKS, YOUVE GOT JUST TWO DAYS LEFT...

IF YOU CANNOT...THEY WILL ALL KNOW...! !> L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

> >> > Kulbirji,> >> >> >> > Bingo. You have said it better. I am with you. Let us first sort the

> > authenticity of the books and then move further. Mr. Rao - first> let us sort> > this out.> >> >> >> >> >> > lalkitab

> > [lalkitab ] On Behalf Of kulbir bance

> > Saturday, May 03, 2008 22:09> > lalkitab

> > Re: [lalkitab] Re: Mr. L Y Rao's views - a little> sanity> > please> >> >> >> > Respected rajni ji, there is no end to such questions.

> >> > why do traditional astrology takes mangal karak for brother, venus> for> > spouse etc, is there any rational, did the planets speak that i am> karak of> > such and such objects, where is the position of earth in kundali;

> the list> > is endless. when such concepts are accepted without any fus . what> is the> > problem about lakitab. u r indeed right can any body explain the> rational of> > astrology in one reply.

> >> > rao sir is still not ready to accept that lalkitab 5 editions were> published> > by pt ji. first he says they were written after his death, now he> is side> > tracking the issue. lets settle this issue on priority, please ask

> him what> > type of proof he needs. it is our moral duty to bring the truth> before him.> > he doesn't understands my language, please ask him on my behalf as> to what> > proof does he have to deny the authorship and what type of proof

> can satisfy> > him.> >> > sincerely> >> > kulbirbance> >> >> >> > On 5/1/08, Rajni Khan <rajni.khan wrote:> >

> > Dear Mr. Rao,> >> >> >> > Have I been really impolite? In my mails, never nor can be. I guess> you have> > confused everyone to be a part of a big group and are criticizing

> them all> > in one go. For the record, I have not done any impoliteness to you.> >> >> >> > The rationale was explained to you many times. You choose to ignore> it or

> > this is how I and perhaps understand.> >> >> >> > Asking a question like this is asking too much. What is the> rationale of> > astrology itself?> >

> >> >> > There is a logic in LK. You are free to embrace it or not embrace> it.> >> >> >> > Imagine the same question - what is the logic to KP? You will give

> the> > explanations. May be they are not valid enough for me.> >> >> >> > You say that every one has run away. No one has run away. I have> been> > keeping quiet as it is no use debating the issue with you as you

> have not> > taken the discussion further than what is the rationale of LK. As> mentioned> > earlier, what is the rationale of astrology?> >> >> >> > My view is that astrology is a method devised by human beings to

> tackle the> > unknown of which most human beings are scared.> >> >> >> > Whatever will help us to alleviate this fear, is good enough for> us.> >

> >> >> > I am still willing to debate this issue with you (not run away)> provided we> > can move step by step.> >> >> >> > For me and many others, LK works. As simple as that. LK itself does

> not> > offer much explanation. It says, if this is so, do it. That's it.> At least> > most of the times. I am no great LK expert myself. For instance,> Rahu in> > 11th (what is the rationale of Rahu & Ketu I wonder? Fictious

> planets) - if> > the native wears a police uniform when he does not belong to police> > department, he will be behind bars in no time. This is what LK> says. Now> > what can be the rationale to this? LK has no answer, we can only

> make> > conjectures. But LK works.> >> >> >> > To add fuel to fire: You can ask what is the logic of varshphal? To> my best> > knowledge, I know of no one who can answer this. We just use it. It

> works> > that's all.> >> >> >> >> >> > lalkitab

> > [lalkitab ] On Behalf Of L.Y.Rao.> > Thursday, May 01, 2008 21:08

> > lalkitab > > [lalkitab] Re: Mr. L Y Rao's views - a little

> sanity> > please> >> >> >> > Dear Savitha,> > Thank you for joining in...> > Allow me to remind you that this entire series of> > stern and severely critical replies by me,was begun by some

> extremely> > impolite replies to my queries by the then editor Rajni Khan and in> > particular by Yograj...Kindly read their replies first and then> write> > back...Yograj also tried to impress me by saying that he was

> earning> > a 7-figure salary...! ?> > Secondly,I am a member of only the K.P. Astrology> > Group,and have been involved in research in K.P.,and it was by> sheer> > chance that I logged on to this site and read the claims made about

> > LK and it's " remedies " ...by some of the followers of LK.( By the> > way,I have a lot of friends who repose their faith in LK remedies...> > I asked all of them if there was any literature

> > written by the Great SEER himself...and asked them a simple> > query...IS THERE ANY RATIONALE FOR LK PREDICTIONS & REMEDIES....?> If> > so,what ?> > I also asked them... " since you all strongly believe

> > in the Karma theory,every thing is predestined...How can remedies> > help at all ? " > > THAT STARTED IT ALL...I HAD LET LOOSE A BEE IN THEIR> > HATS...IT SEEMED...> > Then Umesh Sharma,as a rejoinder asked me the

> > rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa...which I provided them with> > promptly TO THEIR GREAT CHAGRIN...it now appears...since then, they> > became hostile...because it was their turn to provide a rationale

> for> > LK... Hostility they thought would make me back off...BUT I DID> > NOT...EVERYBODY THEN RAN TO THEIR RESCUE...WITH BIZARRE> EXPLANATIONS,> > WHICH WERE PROMPTLY DEMOLISHED...

> > One person asked me what is mant by TITHI...I replied> > that K.P. does not recognise or use Tithis...and that tithi is a> > method of expressing the distance between the Sun and the Moon on a

> > particular day...and so on...> > INSTEAD OF REPLYING TO MY FIRST QUERY,THEY THEN> > CONTINUED TO BE ON THE OFFENSIVE... INSTEAD OF PLAINLY ADMITTING> THAT> > THE GREAT SEER HIMSELF HAD WRITTEN NO BOOK NOR HAD HE MADE ANY

> > NOTES...(WHICH FACT I WAS ALREADY AWARE OF... BUT WAS NOT VERY> > CERTAIN ABOUT...)> > You seem totally silent about...the language of Mike> > M's mails...you are certainly biased...

> > Whether people like you,Savitha,recognise me as a K.P.> > Astrologer or not,I don't really care...I have studied astrology> > since 1960's...> > But from whatever you have written TWO FACTS

> > EMERGE...ONE IS THAT YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THE ENTIRE CONVERSATIONS> > BETWEEN ME AND YOUR FRIENDS....THE OTHER IS THAT YOU ARE STILL> > BIASED ...AND OF ALL THINGS,YOU HAVE TAKEN UMBRAGE AT MY

> > LANGUAGE,,,BUT ARE LOUDLY SILENT ON THE LANGUAGE USED BY YOUR> FRIENDS> > SUCH AS MIKE M.,AND TAKING POTSHOT AT ME BY QUESTIONING MY ABILITY> > AND PROFICIENCY AS A K.P. ASTROLOGER...BE THAT AS IT MAY...I DO NOT

> > NEED ANY CERTIFICATES FROM ANYBODY...NEITHER DO I HAVE...IF THAT> > PLEASES YOU...> > I agree with you,I certainly CAN be gentler,and AM...> > but I reserve my right to react strongly and wiftly if needlessly

> > provoked especially by foul language...> > I gues Savitha pl. go through the entire> > correspondence,and try to be FAIR...> > Let me ask you,frankly...who put you up to this ?> > With best wishes,

> > L.Y.Rao.> >> > >> > > I have been following this exchange avidly. While Mr. Rao could be> > > gentler and non-offensive in his mannerisms, the points he raises

> > can> > > be discussed, not to justify anyone but for people like myself who> > > would want to participate in the debate but are scared and put> off> > by> > > the uncivilized language on occasions. (Is Mr. Rao really a senior

> > > citizen?)> > >> > > As I could understand, the debate can be summed up as following:> > >> > > 1. Initially Mr. Rao questions Lal Kitab's veracity and jeers the

> > > followers to prove it.> > >> > > 2. A flood of response from LK lovers asking Mr. Rao to keep> quiet,> > > get out or irrelevant responses. Few, from Rajni, Umesh (though

> > > keeping track of hindi in capital letters is tedious), Yograj try> to> > > sanely present the case. They simply ask him to read the book and> > then> > > question.

> > >> > > 3. A lot of unnecessary emails (hate). Very disturbing.> > >> > > 4. Mr. Rao changes tack or accepts that the LK originator Pt. Rup> > > Chandji was a seer but today's LK practioners are not in the same

> > league.> > >> > > I have not read the book. My interest is in solutions. The right> > > solution ofcourse. When this topic opened up, I was eager to know> > all

> > > sides of the arguments. Sadly, as this becomes a fight amongst the> > > professional astrolgers, which was not needed.> > >> > > As a user I seek solutions. I have used vedic with uncertain

> > results,> > > KP with questionable readings (and they do not offer any> remedies)> > and> > > LK remedies with results (though are they due to the remedies or> > just

> > > existence was playing a game with me).> > >> > > I particularly like someone's statement in one of the forums where> > > he/she said that performing LK remedies is your Karma's chance to

> > you> > > to correct the imbalance. Not everyone gets the opportunity. This> > > statement can be true for everything including medicine.> > >> > > My request: Can the parties involved be polite and discuss the

> issue> > > here. If you choose to disagree, then you can continue to be> > > participant with your views as those views add to the global> > > knowledge. Hopefully we will be able to invite others to join the

> > > debate and share their experiences - rewarding as well as> > > disappointing. Do we want to put them away?> > >> > > I am confused. If Mr. Rao is as elder as he claims and if he

> > practices> > > KP then he cannot use such language or even if he can, he will> > > certainly refrain from so. Is it a KP professional astrolger who> has> > > been hurt by LK's fan following? I do not see Mr. Rao

> participating> > in> > > other forums - either he is not a member there or he is banned> from> > > there. Whatever!> > >> > > Neverthless, we still can be civil and stick to the agenda. At

> least> > > we can try.> > >> >

 

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