Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Dear Wendy, a good post I must say. I would like to know which publisher/version of BPHS it is taken from. in ashtakavarga as laid out by B V RAMAN it is more of what you had said in the 1st 2 paras, and most of RAMANS WORKS IS CONTEMPORY VERSION OF BPHS, well adapted to our times, and most teachers in ICAS after considerable study, research have AT LONG LAST acknowledged his pre-eminence in his works, thouth the courses have clasics and modern works of many others, and ashhtakavarga they prefer ramans model to c s patels. rest is open to readers by their own experiences. Best wishs On 6/25/07, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > Hopefully members won't object (too much) if I add my thoughts on > this... > > I agree with Swamy that, on the face of it, Saturn's transit through the > sign which he contributes a positive point would logically be considered > more favourable than when his contribution is negative. In pdk's chart, > Saturn contributes a positive point in the first kaksha (if I'm not > mistaken). > However, in my opinion, Ashtakavarga is a complex system with it's own > unique method for prediction, just as the Parashara and Jaimini systems > (also) have their own unique methods. > > As an example I paste (below) some basic questions (and answers) from a > recognised teacher of the Ashtakavarga system...more can be seen from the > following website http://krushna.sageasita.com > > **1) What about traditional planetary classifications such as benefic, > malefic, and neutral? > Benefic planets are those that receive more than 4 points in their > ashtakavarga. > Malefic planets are those that receive less than 4 points in their > ashtakavarga. > Neutral planets are those that receive exactly 4 points in their > ashtakavarga. > > 2) What about traditional aspects? Do they apply? > Standard Vedic aspects apply: All planets aspect the 7th from themselves: > Saturn aspects the 3rd, 7th, and 10th from itself; Mars aspects the 4th, > 7th, and 8th from itself, while Jupiter aspects the 5th, 7th, and 9th from > itself. However, the aspects of benefics are always malefic, while the > aspects of malefics are always benefic. This is the special effect we get > in > KAS - which stands for Krushna's Ashtakavarga System. > > Benefics (planets with more than 4 points) aspect malefically with equal > points. (If Jupiter has 6 points, he aspects malefically with 6 points.) > Malefics (planets with less than 4 points) aspects benefically with their > point minus 8. (If Saturn has 3 points, he aspects benefically with 5 > points.) > Neutrals (planets with 4 points) aspect neutral with 4 points. (If Mercury > has 4 points, he aspects with 4 neutral points.) Refer to Lesson 3 for > more > clarity > > 3) Why are natural benefics supposed to be bad in Kendras? > Again, natural benefics usually have more than 4 points, meaning that > their > aspect on the Kendra being aspected will be negative. Since Kendra's are > more important houses for action, a negative aspect causes more problems > here than on other houses.** > > So we can clearly see there's a fundamental difference here between the > malefic/benefic classifications as per the Ashtakavarga system and > Parashara's system (as per lordship). > > Considering pdk's chart for a moment, it should be noted that Saturn > transiting Leo will aspect bhukti lord Moon; and, according to the rules > of > Parashara, Saturn is a functional malefic who's aspect is unfavourable. > One > might consider this in light of the recent discussions had with pdk > regarding his health problem and the connection Moon has with Jupiter. I > won't delve into this any further as my opinion was already given to pdk > and > I have nothing more to add to that. > > I just wanted to point out (mainly) that Ashtakavarga is a unique and > complex system that has it's own set of rules... > > Please Note: > This is my opinion only and is not intended to challenge anyone else's. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > -- Thank you, Prashantkumar -------- For Consultation charges please write to me -------- G B Prashant Kumar `Gyandeep' 4, Fifth street Nandanam Extn, Chennai 600035, INDIA MOBILE 9840051861 TEL 42110983/24340186 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Dear Prashant, ///I would like to know which publisher/version of BPHS it is taken from./// The questions/answers given below are from Krushna's Ashtakavarga System... I might add here that, in my opinion, although information regarding the Chara karakas is given in BPHS, their use, along with Rasi aspects, Padas etc., is appropriate with the Rasi specific dasas (Chara, Sthira, Shoola etc) - not Vimsottari. Ashtakavarga (also) is a unique system and incompatible, for instance, with the planetary friendship scheme used with vimsottari. As an example, if we look at pdk's chart, the upcoming transit of Saturn in Leo is considered favourable as per ashtakavarga; However, Saturn is an enemy of Sun (who occupies Leo in this instance)...can we reasonably conclude that this transit will be favourable? It's my opinion that the vimsottari principles, based upon natural karakas, planetary aspects, lordship, friendship scheme etc., are complete within themselves and introducing other (often contradictory) techniques leads to endless confusion. I also believe it's the inability to distinguish between the different techniques that is the underlying reason why some, out of frustration, have developed systems of their own - the " Systems Approach " being one example...contradictions will always be there so long as we continue to mix and match the different methods of prediction. I do want to emphasise that this is my opinion and my intention is NOT to disregard the opinion of others. Unfortunately it seems to be difficult (for me) to avoid controversial topics. Although I don't wish for this, I can't (in good conscience) let such topics pass without offering my opinion. Members, as always, are free to investigate the matters and draw their own conclusions...at least they may have the benefit of different opinions to encourage them towards deeper study. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 25, 2007 10:05 PM Re: Ashtakavarga System 25/6 Dear Wendy, a good post I must say. I would like to know which publisher/version of BPHS it is taken from. in ashtakavarga as laid out by B V RAMAN it is more of what you had said in the 1st 2 paras, and most of RAMANS WORKS IS CONTEMPORY VERSION OF BPHS, well adapted to our times, and most teachers in ICAS after considerable study, research have AT LONG LAST acknowledged his pre-eminence in his works, thouth the courses have clasics and modern works of many others, and ashhtakavarga they prefer ramans model to c s patels. rest is open to readers by their own experiences. Best wishs On 6/25/07, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > Hopefully members won't object (too much) if I add my thoughts on > this... > > I agree with Swamy that, on the face of it, Saturn's transit through the > sign which he contributes a positive point would logically be considered > more favourable than when his contribution is negative. In pdk's chart, > Saturn contributes a positive point in the first kaksha (if I'm not > mistaken). > However, in my opinion, Ashtakavarga is a complex system with it's own > unique method for prediction, just as the Parashara and Jaimini systems > (also) have their own unique methods. > > As an example I paste (below) some basic questions (and answers) from a > recognised teacher of the Ashtakavarga system...more can be seen from the > following website http://krushna.sageasita.com > > **1) What about traditional planetary classifications such as benefic, > malefic, and neutral? > Benefic planets are those that receive more than 4 points in their > ashtakavarga. > Malefic planets are those that receive less than 4 points in their > ashtakavarga. > Neutral planets are those that receive exactly 4 points in their > ashtakavarga. > > 2) What about traditional aspects? Do they apply? > Standard Vedic aspects apply: All planets aspect the 7th from themselves: > Saturn aspects the 3rd, 7th, and 10th from itself; Mars aspects the 4th, > 7th, and 8th from itself, while Jupiter aspects the 5th, 7th, and 9th from > itself. However, the aspects of benefics are always malefic, while the > aspects of malefics are always benefic. This is the special effect we get > in > KAS - which stands for Krushna's Ashtakavarga System. > > Benefics (planets with more than 4 points) aspect malefically with equal > points. (If Jupiter has 6 points, he aspects malefically with 6 points.) > Malefics (planets with less than 4 points) aspects benefically with their > point minus 8. (If Saturn has 3 points, he aspects benefically with 5 > points.) > Neutrals (planets with 4 points) aspect neutral with 4 points. (If Mercury > has 4 points, he aspects with 4 neutral points.) Refer to Lesson 3 for > more > clarity > > 3) Why are natural benefics supposed to be bad in Kendras? > Again, natural benefics usually have more than 4 points, meaning that > their > aspect on the Kendra being aspected will be negative. Since Kendra's are > more important houses for action, a negative aspect causes more problems > here than on other houses.** > > So we can clearly see there's a fundamental difference here between the > malefic/benefic classifications as per the Ashtakavarga system and > Parashara's system (as per lordship). > > Considering pdk's chart for a moment, it should be noted that Saturn > transiting Leo will aspect bhukti lord Moon; and, according to the rules > of > Parashara, Saturn is a functional malefic who's aspect is unfavourable. > One > might consider this in light of the recent discussions had with pdk > regarding his health problem and the connection Moon has with Jupiter. I > won't delve into this any further as my opinion was already given to pdk > and > I have nothing more to add to that. > > I just wanted to point out (mainly) that Ashtakavarga is a unique and > complex system that has it's own set of rules... > > Please Note: > This is my opinion only and is not intended to challenge anyone else's. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > -- Thank you, Prashantkumar -------- For Consultation charges please write to me -------- G B Prashant Kumar `Gyandeep' 4, Fifth street Nandanam Extn, Chennai 600035, INDIA MOBILE 9840051861 TEL 42110983/24340186 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Dear Wendy, Please dont offer any explanations, those that have known you over time will know that u do not mean to offend anyone so not to worry at all. I would like to clarify a couple of things if I may, my reply below yours with prefix of Ash. " > Ashtakavarga (also) is a unique system and incompatible, for instance, with > the planetary friendship scheme used with vimsottari. As an example, if we > look at pdk's chart, the upcoming transit of Saturn in Leo is considered > favourable as per ashtakavarga; However, Saturn is an enemy of Sun (who > occupies Leo in this instance)...can we reasonably conclude that this > transit will be favourable? ASH : In KAS, sign placements are considered, refer to lesson 26. However, as per KAS we distinguish timing of events from quality of events. So for timing of events, the sign placement are not required as we are able to get the power of planet i.e for all 7 planet and in all 12 houses and also in all 12 house and in all 16 D charts as well in a numerical format. Now Sign placement is used as per Lesson 26 the numerical multiplication factor is also given and that is used for quality. Just trying to site a hypothetical example. Lets assume one is trying to buy a house, and lets take the case u have put forward about Sun being in Capricorn. So lets say Leo is lagna and Sun is in 6th house in Capricorn. Now assume that this sun is very powerful to furnish the event as its LoD or say 10th lord from 4th so its eager to furnish TIMING of event. So the native can purchase a house in Sun antra so that ends the Timign of Event portion. Next is the Quality factor. Here lets say Sun has power of 20 in the KAS Worksheet and since Sun is in Capricorn the Multiplication Factor is 0.4 as its in enemy sign. So 20 * 0.4 = 8. So the quality of the event will be equated to 8. But the Event will happen but there might be some issues during purchasing it, since Sun in in 6th maybe there might be some additional work needed or lawyers or that land or house might be under dispute so more EFFORT will be required for success. Now that the contra of that. Had Sun been in Aries then the Multiplication Factor would be 1.4 so here 20 points would feel like 28 so the Property can be achieved with lesser effort. I guess, its the understanding of the Full System is required to grasp these subtle difference and as u rightly said, this will take focussed study of a full system and that might take a life time. Just so that you know, KAS portion thats taught in the full system is only dealing with timing of events. The other things like the own KAS House system, the Bhav Chalit, Nadis etc are also a part and parcel of KAS system. Then its application in Horary and Prashna, Vastu, Muharata etc is also there. > > It's my opinion that the vimsottari principles, based upon natural karakas, > planetary aspects, lordship, friendship scheme etc., are complete within > themselves and introducing other (often contradictory) techniques leads to > endless confusion. ASH : Ashtakavarga is also part and parcel of VA otherwise AV would not be mentioned by so many Maharishis. There is not much material out in the Standard Texts or Classics that are available and that being said the corruptions or improper translations have also crept in whats available as well, and to add to it, the Classics that are available are not complete. So that might be the reason that the application of Ashtakavarga and also due to its intense calculations, that its writeup might have evaporated from the classics. Similarly the same case with Nadi's. Not much text is available in the standard books on Nadis as well. Here I am talking of Nadi's that are used with Astrology. This knowledge was saved by some families such as Krushnaji's gurus. Even Bhava comment that Parasara has made and u alluded to BV Ramans comments, all such things are used aptly and each thing has its application as per KAS and that is going into the detail portion of the KAS system. That portion of the system is not taught as yet. So please do not be under any kind of mis-conception that sign or bhava or things like that are not used in Ashtakavarga system and here I am talking about KAS and not other developed systems on Ashtakavarga. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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