A matter of perception! Without prejudice :-)

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini,

 

///False and Teacher cannot co-exist

As cannot Gentle and Dictator two adjectives applied to one and the

same person!///

 

Ahhh! Now I see where you're coming from :-))

 

Actually, the word 'Teacher' is a noun whereas 'False' is an adjective. We

use ADJECTIVES to describe a noun.

 

As in; The FAT cat, the YELLOW dress, the BRILLIANT engineer, the KIND

priest, the ABSENT-MINDED professor, the FALSE teacher etc, etc..

 

Likewise; The CRUEL dictator, the FAT dictator, the MAD dictator, the GENTLE

dictator and so on...

 

A noun is the name of a person, place, thing, or idea. Whatever exists, we

assume, can be named, and that name is a noun.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:23 PM

Re: A matter of perception! Without prejudice :-)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Thanks for taking the time and devoting so much attention and energy

to this thread and to the few words I wrote!

 

The point I was making was:

 

False and Teacher cannot co-exist

As cannot Gentle and Dictator two adjectives applied to one and the

same person!

 

Hence labeled as oxymoronic.

 

The teacher loses his/her status as a teacher when falsehood creeps

in as the world has seen in so many money grabbing mahatmas and

saints!

 

I will leave the " gentle dicator' to your imagination! You have been

around and are wise and will figure it out!

 

Namastay!

 

Rohiniranjan

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini,

 

Perhaps I might be indulged just a little longer before I let this topic

rest...

 

Excerpt from 'Preaching Vedanta' by Swamiji Irainban:

*What is the reason 'false gurus' survive. The whole responsibility for this

false identification is our own. We accept gurus just as we accept our

politicians...*

 

This, of course, is precisely what I'd said in earlier mail:

///The fact is that certain natal afflictions CAN indeed indicate one who is

drawn to false (or wrong) teaching. This, of course, is the student's karma.

But, for this karma to be fulfilled, there needs to be false teachers to

bring it to fruition.///

 

From the subtlest level, we ourselves create/sustain whatever is necessary

in order to fulfil our karma...is this not so :-)

 

By Swami Ramsukh Das ji Maharaj of Gita Press, Gorakhpur:

*People generally don't understand me (Ramsukh Das); therefore, they

misunderstand my views on Guru. I am not against a real guru. Without a guru

(teacher) no knowledge is ever possible, then how can anybody be against

guru? I am against false gurus or the so called Guruvaad, the guru cult.

Nobody can describe the importance of a guru, but these days real gurus are

hard to find and there is an abundant of false gurus...

There are four categories of gurus: a false guru, guru, Sadguru, and Param

guru...*

 

The Bible: 2 Peter 2:1

*But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be

false teachers among you......

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way

of truth shall be evil spoken of.*

 

So, it would seem, the term 'false teacher' has been in use for a very long

time. (from the inception of the Bible, at least)

 

But I will leave you in peace now and talk no more of this...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:23 PM

Re: A matter of perception! Without prejudice :-)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Thanks for taking the time and devoting so much attention and energy

to this thread and to the few words I wrote!

 

The point I was making was:

 

False and Teacher cannot co-exist

As cannot Gentle and Dictator two adjectives applied to one and the

same person!

 

Hence labeled as oxymoronic.

 

The teacher loses his/her status as a teacher when falsehood creeps

in as the world has seen in so many money grabbing mahatmas and

saints!

 

I will leave the " gentle dicator' to your imagination! You have been

around and are wise and will figure it out!

 

Namastay!

 

Rohiniranjan

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini,

 

///I am glad that you figured out where I am coming from...

The recognition has been mutual!! ;-)///

 

I have no wish to drag this thread on infinitum; however, it seems you have

still NOT recognised where I'm coming from :-(

 

You said to Bhaskar:

///The 'false teacher' that Wendy and you are describing is of course a

rogue, a con-man and there seems to be a plethora of those in these

sad times!

I was calling the term an oxymoron, but perhaps the term should be

called a misclassification. This false teacher that you folks are

describing can be readily sent to jail and let us focus on the other

phenomenon that also exists.///

 

Please Rohini let's not alter the point I made at the beginning of this

thread... This is STILL the point I wish to convey!

 

I would have thought it obvious that I was not, in any way, referring to

rogues or con-men when I said the following:

///The fact is that certain natal afflictions CAN indeed indicate one who is

drawn to false (or wrong) teaching. This, of course, is the student's karma.

But, for this karma to be fulfilled, there needs to be false teachers to

bring it to fruition.///

 

I might have (perhaps) expressed that better by saying;

" But, for this karma to be fulfilled, there needs to be false (or

misinformed) teachers to bring it to fruition. " I was NOT (in any way)

referring to out-and-out rogues and con-men.

 

The references to false gurus etc (in subsequent posts) were simply to point

out the common use of the term " false Teacher " in both Hindu and Christian

literature...nothing more than that was intended!

I'm going to give it one more shot to convey what I meant by the term 'false

teaching'.

Let's say I happened to attend a lecture where the teacher was talking about

a particular event (tying it to some lesson). Now let's say that I happened

to have witnessed that event personally and knew that what the teacher was

saying was incorrect...the teacher's understanding of that event was totally

wrong and he was passing this wrong (false) information on to all the

students in attendance, who (in turn) would pass that on to others and so

on...

And here we have the birth of a completely false teaching!

 

///Let us not waste time with the rogues and shysters (some women gurus

too -- why should we be sexist!). They are not teachers, but

criminals. Let us not glorify them by calling them teachers, false or

whatever!///

 

This is a complete misrepresentation of my intention; which was to convey

that some (students) may be drawn to false, wrong or misguided teaching.

As astrologers we should be able to see this reflected in horoscope. This

was the point to be addressed, surely...not a lengthy debate on the correct

terminology.

 

I'm quite astounded how such a simple statement could generate so much

misunderstanding?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:43 AM

Re: A matter of perception! Without prejudice :-)

 

 

Wendy,

 

I was expecting for you to post this 'flavour' ;-)

 

Yes, in pedantic grammatical sense, teacher is a noun (a

qualification/expression that a human being plays during a lifetime)

but does it not describe a quality of the individual soul as well?

Adjectives are the sheaths and expressions/qualities that the human

soul presents itself (still remaining human soul = noun/entity) as!

 

Since english is not my mother tongue, perhaps I have more

flexibility there :-)

 

I am glad that you figured out where I am coming from...

 

The recognition has been mutual!! ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan