Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 hii is there Neechabhanga in Navamsa chart? assuming a planet is debilitated in Navamsa and the Navamsa Lord of the planet is in a lagna kendra ..then is it " Neechabhanga " ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Group, As many will know, I have long advocated that cancellation on neecha (neechabhanga) can, at best, indicate mixed results...some good, some bad. This view was reached after examining many charts with (supposed) neechabhanga that failed to manifest any marked benefit during the periods of said planet. However, it never left my mind that neechabhanga is a rajayoga...meaning that a neechabhanga planet has not just had its neecha status cancelled, it's supposed to produce extraordinarily good results...this, after all, is the function of a rajayoga! The reality is often very different, as we know, and rarely do we see such extraordinary results from a neechabhanga planet. Again, the question needs to be asked, Why? Why do we find such discrepancy between the description of the yogas and the reality, as we find it, in different charts. I can only reiterate what I said earlier regarding (any) yoga; " Each horoscope (and each yoga) must be judged on its own merits...memorising yogas parrot-fashion and applying the same results for everyone is short-sighted and simply leads to confusion. The situation regarding neechabhanga came strongly into focus over the weekend when I decided to catch up with some reading and was drawn to the chapter on neechabhanga in James Braha's book; " The Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrology " . James seemed to hold the same opinion as I did (even more so) and went as far as to say that neechabhanga rajayoga doesn't work and was virtually worthless. He demonstrated this using the charts of some famous people. Al Pacino (11:02am, 25 Apr 1940, Manhattan, NY) was the first example he used to prove(?) that neechabhanga does NOT work. Pacino (supposedly) has three neechabhanga planets: 1) Mercury debilitated in Pisces = Cancelled by Jupiter in Kendra (10th). 2) Moon debilitated in Scorpio = Cancelled by Mars in Kendra from Moon. 3) Saturn debilitated in Aries = Cancelled by conjunction with exalted Sun. Pacino, in his late 60's has never married (denied the sanctity of marriage), yet 7th lord Saturn is supposedly enjoying neechabhanga rajayoga in 10th. What Braha failed to recognise is that, apart from 7th lord suffering combustion, the planet causing cancellation (Mars) is inimicably placed in Taurus. There can be no doubt that, to be effective, the planet causing cancellation needs to be strong (without affliction). We see the same thing with Moon who, instead of giving extraordinary results during its dasa, was a time of extreme mental anxiety for Pacino. He was plagued by mental anguish and alcoholism during his 10yr Moon dasa (1975-198). If we compare these examples of neechabhanga rajayoga to the (Venus) neechabhanga in Srila Prabhupada's chart, we can see clearly how this yoga gave extraordinarily good results... 5th/10th lord Venus debilitated in Virgo = Cancelled by conjunction with exalted Mercury (in 9th). 5th house governs mantras; 10th indicates fame (actions). No doubt Prabhupada attained astonishing fame through spreading the Hare Krishna mantra, building temples etc, etc.. So yes, I do agree with the classic description that neechabhanga rajayoga can give extraordinarily good (auspicious) results. However, for neechabhanga to occur, the planet causing cancellation must be without affliction. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Correction: ///Pacino, in his late 60's has never married (denied the sanctity of marriage), yet 7th lord Saturn is supposedly enjoying neechabhanga rajayoga in 10th. What Braha failed to recognise is that, apart from 7th lord suffering combustion, *the planet causing cancellation (Mars) is inimicably placed in Taurus*. There can be no doubt that, to be effective, the planet causing cancellation needs to be strong (without affliction)./// Apologies, my fingers were (obviously) quicker than my brain :-) I meant to write; *the dispositor of SU/SA (Mars) is inimicably placed in Taurus*. PS: Srila Prabhupad's data: 1 Sep 1896 (16:00) Calcutta, India _ Dear Group, As many will know, I have long advocated that cancellation on neecha (neechabhanga) can, at best, indicate mixed results...some good, some bad. This view was reached after examining many charts with (supposed) neechabhanga that failed to manifest any marked benefit during the periods of said planet. However, it never left my mind that neechabhanga is a rajayoga...meaning that a neechabhanga planet has not just had its neecha status cancelled, it's supposed to produce extraordinarily good results...this, after all, is the function of a rajayoga! The reality is often very different, as we know, and rarely do we see such extraordinary results from a neechabhanga planet. Again, the question needs to be asked, Why? Why do we find such discrepancy between the description of the yogas and the reality, as we find it, in different charts. I can only reiterate what I said earlier regarding (any) yoga; " Each horoscope (and each yoga) must be judged on its own merits...memorising yogas parrot-fashion and applying the same results for everyone is short-sighted and simply leads to confusion. The situation regarding neechabhanga came strongly into focus over the weekend when I decided to catch up with some reading and was drawn to the chapter on neechabhanga in James Braha's book; " The Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrology " . James seemed to hold the same opinion as I did (even more so) and went as far as to say that neechabhanga rajayoga doesn't work and was virtually worthless. He demonstrated this using the charts of some famous people. Al Pacino (11:02am, 25 Apr 1940, Manhattan, NY) was the first example he used to prove(?) that neechabhanga does NOT work. Pacino (supposedly) has three neechabhanga planets: 1) Mercury debilitated in Pisces = Cancelled by Jupiter in Kendra (10th). 2) Moon debilitated in Scorpio = Cancelled by Mars in Kendra from Moon. 3) Saturn debilitated in Aries = Cancelled by conjunction with exalted Sun. Pacino, in his late 60's has never married (denied the sanctity of marriage), yet 7th lord Saturn is supposedly enjoying neechabhanga rajayoga in 10th. What Braha failed to recognise is that, apart from 7th lord suffering combustion, the planet causing cancellation (Mars) is inimicably placed in Taurus. There can be no doubt that, to be effective, the planet causing cancellation needs to be strong (without affliction). We see the same thing with Moon who, instead of giving extraordinary results during its dasa, was a time of extreme mental anxiety for Pacino. He was plagued by mental anguish and alcoholism during his 10yr Moon dasa (1975-198). If we compare these examples of neechabhanga rajayoga to the (Venus) neechabhanga in Srila Prabhupada's chart, we can see clearly how this yoga gave extraordinarily good results... 5th/10th lord Venus debilitated in Virgo = Cancelled by conjunction with exalted Mercury (in 9th). 5th house governs mantras; 10th indicates fame (actions). No doubt Prabhupada attained astonishing fame through spreading the Hare Krishna mantra, building temples etc, etc.. So yes, I do agree with the classic description that neechabhanga rajayoga can give extraordinarily good (auspicious) results. However, for neechabhanga to occur, the planet causing cancellation must be without affliction. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 In my humble opinion, I have found exalted retro's to give rssults very quickly during the maha dasha. For example, the causation has been clear : A person getting a top job within a few months exalted retroSaturn dasha in 10th A person having a male child within 10 months of exalted retroSaturn dasha in 5th and many more examples. I have seen the reverse apply to debilitated retros. So Wendy is correct in her proposal. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Krishna, > > //I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a > neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.// > > The misconception regarding retrograde planets has developed due to several > reasons. > > FIRST: In the below sloka we understand that a planet acquires a certain > strength when in retrograde motion. This is understandable when we consider > that a retrograde planet is closer to the Earth. However, this doesn't in > anyway change the dignity of the planet...a neecha planet in retrograde > motion is still neecha. Some people have mistakenly equated the increased > retrograde strength to mean increased dignity whereas in fact it simply > means the neecha effect is more powerful. > > Strength due to the planets dignity, and strength due to motion, are two > entirely different things. A planet gains or loses dignity (by proxy) due to > the strength of its dispositor etc.. > > http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm > 21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): > Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra > (retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde motion), > Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda (somewhat slower > motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous mentioned motion), > Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), Chara (faster than > Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated motion). The > strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, 30, 15, 7.5, 45, > and 30. > > SECOND: Retrograde motion needs to be considered in respect to the planet's > position relative to its degree of debilitation/exaltation. As we know, a > planet increases in strength as it travels towards its degree of exaltation > and decreases proportionately as it travels away from it... > > In a very broad sense, if a planet past its degree of exaltation, turns > retrograde, then technically it's travelling back towards it...gaining > strength rather than losing it. The same applies in reverse for debilitated > planets. This rule applies to all planets wherever they are in the > horoscope. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:37 PM > Re: Review of neechabhanga rajayoga > > > Dear Wendy, > > // I AM pleased that you found this useful :-)// > > No doubt, you are an excellent teacher :-) > > I am looking for one clarification in NBRY case. When a neecha > planet is retrograde, is it considered as neechabhanga? If so, > even in this case should we look for the strength of the > dispositor? > > I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a > neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet. > > Regards, > Krishna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 PS: I add here some scriptural reference that might be helpful to members. http://jyotishvidya.com/ch73.htm **21.The effects of the Grahas, moving from their debilitation to exaltation, are full. The effects of the Grahas, moving from their exaltation to debilitation, will be lesser than described above. 22-23. Auspicious and inauspicious effects of all the Grahas are according to the number of rays they possess. The prediction will not be correct without the knowledge of the effects of the rays. Therefore it is imperative, that in the judgment of Rashi Kundalis and declaring results the effects of the number of rays of the Grahas be taken into account.** ____ Dear Krishna, //I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.// The misconception regarding retrograde planets has developed due to several reasons. FIRST: In the below sloka we understand that a planet acquires a certain strength when in retrograde motion. This is understandable when we consider that a retrograde planet is closer to the Earth. However, this doesn't in anyway change the dignity of the planet...a neecha planet in retrograde motion is still neecha. Some people have mistakenly equated the increased retrograde strength to mean increased dignity whereas in fact it simply means the neecha effect is more powerful. Strength due to the planets dignity, and strength due to motion, are two entirely different things. A planet gains or loses dignity (by proxy) due to the strength of its dispositor etc.. http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm 21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra (retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30. SECOND: Retrograde motion needs to be considered in respect to the planet's position relative to its degree of debilitation/exaltation. As we know, a planet increases in strength as it travels towards its degree of exaltation and decreases proportionately as it travels away from it... In a very broad sense, if a planet past its degree of exaltation, turns retrograde, then technically it's travelling back towards it...gaining strength rather than losing it. The same applies in reverse for debilitated planets. This rule applies to all planets wherever they are in the horoscope. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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