Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Dear Wendy, Thanks for your notes on dharma. You should not take these derogatory mails seriously at all. In this age of faceless communication, it is very eary to misunderstand someone and their intentions. This gives rise to the outbursts specially when people are not mature enough to take statement/remark that does not suit their thinking. I have my own explanation for Guru-Chandala Yoga. It would be very interesting to get your comments on the same. Below, I have given a copy of the mail that I wrote in another forum a few months back: (Please bear with me for saying Rahu can throw aspects. You may choose to ignore it as I know that you don't believe in that. I am in the process of reviewing my own stand on this matter.) ----------------------------- What I understand from Guru-Rahu combination is that it makes the native think unconventionally. He/she may not accept the traditions by the face value without questioning and satified with the answers. Hence, he/she may not respect some of the traditions that does not make logical sense (from his/her point of view). His/her uncoventional thinking would result in rising to higher levels faster than others or it could make them law breakers as some of the laws may not make sense to them. Hence, the disposition of Guru, Rahu and the rest of the horoscope will have a bearing on whether they rise in positive space or in the negative space. Some of the famous people who have this Guru-Rahu conjunction are: - Christopher Columbus - Charles Sobhraj - Jo Jo Starbuck - Madonna - Micheal Jackson And, a similar effect is seen in charts where Guru and Rahu aspect each other. They are again unconventional thinkers and naturally we can find such combination in the charts of researchers, scientists and people with unique approach in what they do. Some of such people are: - Pierre Curie - Mary Curie - Louis Pasteur - JRD Tata - Srinivasa Ramanujan - J Krishnamurthy - Alexander Graham Bell - Marilyn Monroe - Nathuram Ghodse - Alexander The Great - Winston Churchill - J F Kennedy - Jawaharlal Nehru - Srila Prabhupada Hence, Guru-Rahu combintion which is infamously known as Guru-Chandala Yoga, need not necessarily be bad. It should be looked at with the rest of the horoscope as background. --------------------- In earlier times, questioning tradition or following something foriegn was considered very unethical. Hence, I guess the name 'Guru-Chandala Yoga' is given to this combination. In your case, you chose to follow Vedic principles, which is unconventional (or foriegn) to your curlture and tradition. That could be the result that played out because of Guru-Rahu conjunction or 'Unconventionality Yoga'. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Group, > > As the group enjoys some quiet time (which affords me, also, > some > much-needed quietude), I found myself reflecting on the true > meaning of > dharma, the underlying order in nature (natural law) and human > life and > behaviour considered to be in accord with that order. > Ethically, it means > 'right way of living' or 'proper conduct,' especially in a > religious sense. > With respect to spirituality, dharma might be considered the > Way of the > Higher Truths. > > Dharma is a central concept in traditional Vedic astrology > which emphasizes > the correct understanding of Natural Law. According to the > Vedas, beings > that live in accordance with Dharma proceed more quickly > toward Dharma > Yukam, Moksha or Nirvana (personal liberation). Dharma also > refers to the > teachings and doctrines of the founders of these traditions; > such as the > revered rishis...Maharishi Parashara, Jaimini, Mantreswar, > Kalidasa and so > forth...bonafide Gurus! Upholding the path of dharma does not > necessitate > adherence to the teachings of the many self-proclaimed jyotish > gurus > prolific in this age of KaliYuga. > > As sincere students of this divine science, it's important we > understand the > significators of dharma. 9th house of course and it's lord, > along with > karaka for 9th, are the first consideration... And, naturally, > yogas > involving these significators will manifest, for better or > worse, in a > significant way. However, it's important to understand the > conditions that > support such yogas before coming to a conclusion, and, most > certainly, > before mounting an attack on a teacher based on a > misconception. > > I have recently received several derogative mails from an > individual (now > removed from the group)...produced in part below. > > //What you have proven, however, is that you fit perfectly the > assessment I > had made of you character (does typing in caps imply shouting? > ) and you > reaction was again so predictable in resorting to 'exiling' a > person who > dared to challenge your viewpoint. This the Guru-Chandala Yoga > > demonstrating its full force. Maybe you grasp of basic Jyotish > really is not > as firm as you think. > > If only you could pre-moderate mails to your inbox? Now that > would be a > wonderful tool for the power crazy!/// > > Several such mails were received from this individual which > (almost) > resulted in pressing the group delete button. However, I've > come to the > conclusion that darkness and light are two sides of the same > coin, as is > dharma and adharma, and, under certain conditions adharma > (disguised as > righteousness) will raise its head. > > In putting my horoscope in the databank (for study) I assumed > sincere > students would have sufficient knowledge to interpret the > horoscope > correctly. My intention (basically) was to satisfy members of > my own dharma > (as a teacher)...obviously I was wrong and quite naive in this > regard. I > really don't want to resort to, or get unduly caught up in the > 'I am this' > mentality. But I do hope that sincere students, with some > ability to 'see' > will recognise the strong dharma associated with teaching this > divine > knowledge, and importantly, the utmost respect that has always > been shown > for the knowledge itself as well as the founding fathers of > this divine > science...the true Gurus! > > ...strong protector of dharma! Most certainly I give this > credit to Rahu > who, conjunct exalted Jupiter, occupies nakshatra of exalted > 9th lord. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Wendy ji, ///Dharma is a central concept in traditional Vedic astrology which emphasizes the correct understanding of Natural Law./// Very rightly said! A long time ago, somebody mentioned that " dharma " is one word that doesn't have any exact equivalent meaning in English. Hinduism is itself called " Santana Dharma " and maybe because of this, it is so difficult to understand Hinduism. ///9th house of course and it's lord, along with karaka for 9th, are the first consideration./// The lords of the 1st the 5th and the 9th--since they are all Dharma Bhavas--play a role, right? ///I have recently received several derogative mails from an individual (now removed from the group)...produced in part below./// The Web, Wendy ji, like the world, has both true seekers and false ones! :-) ///Several such mails were received from this individual which (almost) resulted in pressing the group delete button./// But why? Why should one fool cause the destruction of an entire group? ///Most certainly I give this credit to Rahu who, conjunct exalted Jupiter, occupies nakshatra of exalted 9th lord./// As Rahu's Advocate, I completely agree! :-) Of course, it is interesting that I'm getting this message from you (my Jyotish Guru) when P/D lord Chandra, significator of the mind, is transiting Aslesha, which is owned by my Lagnadipati (Dharma Bhava) Budha, which is also occupied by 9th lord Sani! ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Dear Krishna, 1) It's understood that Guru Chandala Yoga is formed by the conjunction of Rahu and weak Jupiter... 2) Using true nodes, Michael Jackson has Rahu in Virgo whilst Jupiter occupies Libra lagna. Even so, if one were to use mean nodes (placing Rahu in Libra), Jupiter, with minimal strength (neutral), is aspected by F/M Mars. Similar placement is found in Madonna's chart. 3) In Jeddu Krishnamurti's chart, Rahu occupies nakshatra of Jupiter whilst Jupiter aspects 2nd house (occupied by Rahu)... Other than this, can you show me what specific effect there might be due (only) to Rahu's aspect? The same (Rahu in Jupiter nakshatra etc) applies to Marilyn Monroe's chart. 4) Jidda Krishnamurthy and Srila Prabhupada have many similarities. Both have Rahu in Aquarius whilst Jupiter aspects this house. So we can certainly say the house occupied by Jupiter is aspected by Jupiter. Interesting to note also, in both these charts, Rahu's dispositor (Saturn) is exalted in Libra. PS: I've not been successful in locating birth data for the other charts you've offered although I only looked for a few - perhaps when I have a little more spare time I can have a more thorough look for the others. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:24 PM Re: Dharma Dear Wendy, Thanks for your notes on dharma. You should not take these derogatory mails seriously at all. In this age of faceless communication, it is very eary to misunderstand someone and their intentions. This gives rise to the outbursts specially when people are not mature enough to take statement/remark that does not suit their thinking. I have my own explanation for Guru-Chandala Yoga. It would be very interesting to get your comments on the same. Below, I have given a copy of the mail that I wrote in another forum a few months back: (Please bear with me for saying Rahu can throw aspects. You may choose to ignore it as I know that you don't believe in that. I am in the process of reviewing my own stand on this matter.) ----------------------------- What I understand from Guru-Rahu combination is that it makes the native think unconventionally. He/she may not accept the traditions by the face value without questioning and satified with the answers. Hence, he/she may not respect some of the traditions that does not make logical sense (from his/her point of view). His/her uncoventional thinking would result in rising to higher levels faster than others or it could make them law breakers as some of the laws may not make sense to them. Hence, the disposition of Guru, Rahu and the rest of the horoscope will have a bearing on whether they rise in positive space or in the negative space. Some of the famous people who have this Guru-Rahu conjunction are: - Christopher Columbus - Charles Sobhraj - Jo Jo Starbuck - Madonna - Micheal Jackson And, a similar effect is seen in charts where Guru and Rahu aspect each other. They are again unconventional thinkers and naturally we can find such combination in the charts of researchers, scientists and people with unique approach in what they do. Some of such people are: - Pierre Curie - Mary Curie - Louis Pasteur - JRD Tata - Srinivasa Ramanujan - J Krishnamurthy - Alexander Graham Bell - Marilyn Monroe - Nathuram Ghodse - Alexander The Great - Winston Churchill - J F Kennedy - Jawaharlal Nehru - Srila Prabhupada Hence, Guru-Rahu combintion which is infamously known as Guru-Chandala Yoga, need not necessarily be bad. It should be looked at with the rest of the horoscope as background. --------------------- In earlier times, questioning tradition or following something foriegn was considered very unethical. Hence, I guess the name 'Guru-Chandala Yoga' is given to this combination. In your case, you chose to follow Vedic principles, which is unconventional (or foriegn) to your curlture and tradition. That could be the result that played out because of Guru-Rahu conjunction or 'Unconventionality Yoga'. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Dear Balaji, //The lords of the 1st the 5th and the 9th--since they are all Dharma Bhavas--play a role, right?// Absolutely right! //But why? Why should one fool cause the destruction of an entire group?// Probably, dear Balaji, because these sort of attacks generally come around the same time as other difficulties and one tends to become wearied by the onslaught. I think probably what is most distressing is the burning question; " Was it my actions that spawned such animosity? " That thought is really quite painful! But, at the end of the day, I'm led by what my chart dictates and, like everyone else, have no choice really but to continue...at least until the completion of this dasa. Not that I'm making any comparison (heaven forbid!), but I am certainly reminded of the words of Christ in the garden of Gethsemane when he cried out to God, " Take this cup from me " but then, realising it was his inescapable destiny, he uttered the words; " Not my will but yours be done. " This is what we see in Janma Kundali (if we have eyes to see); The will of God...Creative Intelligence, Natural Law (many names are used to understand the Divine principle) //Of course, it is interesting that I'm getting this message from you (my Jyotish Guru) when P/D lord Chandra, significator of the mind, is transiting Aslesha, which is owned by my Lagnadipati (Dharma Bhava) Budha, which is also occupied by 9th lord Sani!// :-)) PS: I'm anxious to go watch the cricket (Australia/South Africa) on TV. Unfortunately my husband is 'into' his other shows. I keep dropping hints left, right and centre... " You don't want to be up too late, Dad, you've got work tomorrow " but so far my gentle nudging has had no effect. My dear husband can become totally deaf when he wants to :-( Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:26 PM Re: Dharma Wendy ji, ///Dharma is a central concept in traditional Vedic astrology which emphasizes the correct understanding of Natural Law./// Very rightly said! A long time ago, somebody mentioned that " dharma " is one word that doesn't have any exact equivalent meaning in English. Hinduism is itself called " Santana Dharma " and maybe because of this, it is so difficult to understand Hinduism. ///9th house of course and it's lord, along with karaka for 9th, are the first consideration./// The lords of the 1st the 5th and the 9th--since they are all Dharma Bhavas--play a role, right? ///I have recently received several derogative mails from an individual (now removed from the group)...produced in part below./// The Web, Wendy ji, like the world, has both true seekers and false ones! :-) ///Several such mails were received from this individual which (almost) resulted in pressing the group delete button./// But why? Why should one fool cause the destruction of an entire group? ///Most certainly I give this credit to Rahu who, conjunct exalted Jupiter, occupies nakshatra of exalted 9th lord./// As Rahu's Advocate, I completely agree! :-) Of course, it is interesting that I'm getting this message from you (my Jyotish Guru) when P/D lord Chandra, significator of the mind, is transiting Aslesha, which is owned by my Lagnadipati (Dharma Bhava) Budha, which is also occupied by 9th lord Sani! ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Correction, sorry! //So we can certainly say the house occupied by Jupiter is aspected by Jupiter.// That, of course, should read; " The house occupied by Rahu is aspected by Jupiter. _______ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:41 PM Re: Dharma Dear Krishna, 1) It's understood that Guru Chandala Yoga is formed by the conjunction of Rahu and weak Jupiter... 2) Using true nodes, Michael Jackson has Rahu in Virgo whilst Jupiter occupies Libra lagna. Even so, if one were to use mean nodes (placing Rahu in Libra), Jupiter, with minimal strength (neutral), is aspected by F/M Mars. Similar placement is found in Madonna's chart. 3) In Jeddu Krishnamurti's chart, Rahu occupies nakshatra of Jupiter whilst Jupiter aspects 2nd house (occupied by Rahu)... Other than this, can you show me what specific effect there might be due (only) to Rahu's aspect? The same (Rahu in Jupiter nakshatra etc) applies to Marilyn Monroe's chart. 4) Jidda Krishnamurthy and Srila Prabhupada have many similarities. Both have Rahu in Aquarius whilst Jupiter aspects this house. So we can certainly say the house occupied by Jupiter is aspected by Jupiter. Interesting to note also, in both these charts, Rahu's dispositor (Saturn) is exalted in Libra. PS: I've not been successful in locating birth data for the other charts you've offered although I only looked for a few - perhaps when I have a little more spare time I can have a more thorough look for the others. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Dear Krishna, //In your case, you chose to follow Vedic principles, which is unconventional (or foriegn) to your curlture and tradition. That could be the result that played out because of Guru-Rahu conjunction or 'Unconventionality Yoga'.// These Vedic principles you speak of are universal! Natural Law is universal! Surely we have to accept that there really is only one truth and this same truth is the very foundation of all bonafide religions...why would one assume this to be foreign to my culture? No doubt the Hindu religious rituals, pujas etc are foreign to my tradition but this is simply a cultural expression of religion. There are many differences between our cultures but Natural Law pervades all things and (should) transcend all cultural differences. The inner-self is the same for all, is it not? Life in the grip of suffering and/or happiness is the same for us all, is it not? This is the essence, the heart of Jyotish and it cannot be confined to any particular culture, surely. I certainly do agree that India per se is a more spiritually oriented society, no doubt, but it's wrong to assume that all Westerners are spiritually bankrupt. If the opportunity presents itself, you might read some of Joel Goldsmith's books such as " The Infinite Way " or " A Parenthesis in Eternity " or Fr. Bede Griffiths " Return to the Center " . Many great mystics (saints and blesseds) have come from this (Western) culture and tradition. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:24 PM Re: Dharma Dear Wendy, Thanks for your notes on dharma. You should not take these derogatory mails seriously at all. In this age of faceless communication, it is very eary to misunderstand someone and their intentions. This gives rise to the outbursts specially when people are not mature enough to take statement/remark that does not suit their thinking. I have my own explanation for Guru-Chandala Yoga. It would be very interesting to get your comments on the same. Below, I have given a copy of the mail that I wrote in another forum a few months back: (Please bear with me for saying Rahu can throw aspects. You may choose to ignore it as I know that you don't believe in that. I am in the process of reviewing my own stand on this matter.) ----------------------------- What I understand from Guru-Rahu combination is that it makes the native think unconventionally. He/she may not accept the traditions by the face value without questioning and satified with the answers. Hence, he/she may not respect some of the traditions that does not make logical sense (from his/her point of view). His/her uncoventional thinking would result in rising to higher levels faster than others or it could make them law breakers as some of the laws may not make sense to them. Hence, the disposition of Guru, Rahu and the rest of the horoscope will have a bearing on whether they rise in positive space or in the negative space. Some of the famous people who have this Guru-Rahu conjunction are: - Christopher Columbus - Charles Sobhraj - Jo Jo Starbuck - Madonna - Micheal Jackson And, a similar effect is seen in charts where Guru and Rahu aspect each other. They are again unconventional thinkers and naturally we can find such combination in the charts of researchers, scientists and people with unique approach in what they do. Some of such people are: - Pierre Curie - Mary Curie - Louis Pasteur - JRD Tata - Srinivasa Ramanujan - J Krishnamurthy - Alexander Graham Bell - Marilyn Monroe - Nathuram Ghodse - Alexander The Great - Winston Churchill - J F Kennedy - Jawaharlal Nehru - Srila Prabhupada Hence, Guru-Rahu combintion which is infamously known as Guru-Chandala Yoga, need not necessarily be bad. It should be looked at with the rest of the horoscope as background. --------------------- In earlier times, questioning tradition or following something foriegn was considered very unethical. Hence, I guess the name 'Guru-Chandala Yoga' is given to this combination. In your case, you chose to follow Vedic principles, which is unconventional (or foriegn) to your curlture and tradition. That could be the result that played out because of Guru-Rahu conjunction or 'Unconventionality Yoga'. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Wendy ji, ///Probably, dear Balaji, because these sort of attacks generally come around the same time as other difficulties and one tends to become wearied by the onslaught. I think probably what is most distressing is the burning question; " Was it my actions that spawned such animosity? " /// All these, like the rest of our karmas, are to be endured, right, Wendy ji? And why blame yourself? You can be held accountable for your actions, not for the silly reactions of others! ///Not that I'm making any comparison (heaven forbid!), but I am certainly reminded of the words of Christ in the garden of Gethsemane when he cried out to God, " Take this cup from me " but then, realising it was his inescapable destiny, he uttered the words; " Not my will but yours be done. " /// This reminds me of a quote in " The Last Temptation of Christ " by Nikos Kazantzakis, in which somebody says that if God listened to mothers, then there would be no saints! Christ was enlightened because he realized that, by sacrificing his perishable body, He could attain imperishable bliss. This is Moksha--not only for Him, but for all His followers. ///There are many differences between our cultures but Natural Law pervades all things and (should) transcend all cultural differences. The inner-self is the same for all, is it not? Life in the grip of suffering and/or happiness is the same for us all, is it not? This is the essence, the heart of Jyotish and it cannot be confined to any particular culture, surely. I certainly do agree that India per se is a more spiritually oriented society, no doubt, but it's wrong to assume that all Westerners are spiritually bankrupt./// I think, Wendy ji, that since Jyotish is so all encompassing, anybody with strong Dharma (1, 5, 9) and Moksha houses (4, 8, 12), will always be drawn towards Him, irrespective of where he is born, and where he lives. This is illustrated, perhaps, in the role that the dove plays in Christianity and Hinduism. According to http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05144b.htm the Dove is described as " As a symbol of martyrdom it indicated the action of the Holy Spirit in bestowal of the fortitude necessary for the endurance of suffering. " The site http://www.hydonline.com/people/Kids_Corner/kingsibi.html talks about how Sibi was willing to sacrifice himself to save a dove. Sibi, in this case, like Christ, was willing to sacrifice his perishable body because, like Christ, he realized that this was his destiny. ///PS: I'm anxious to go watch the cricket (Australia/South Africa) on TV./// My dad loves cricket--but my little nephew insists on watching Cartoon Network, so my dad, like you, loses " the battle of the remote " quite often! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Wendy, //...but it's wrong to assume that all Westerners are spiritually bankrupt.// I think I did not make any such assumption or accusation. I again read my mail to see if there was any trace of a hint. But I didn't see any. I don't know how you took this meaning out of my mail. //These Vedic principles you speak of are universal! Natural Law is universal!// At the core level what you say is right. Whether someone worships Jesus or Rama or Allah, they are all worshipping the same almighty. However, the practices change from culture to culture. I was coming from that angle. As Vedic principles (with reference to Vedic Astrology) are somewhat different to Western principles or Western Astrology. Also, you learnt it from foreign Gurus. Again, you might argue that the knowledge is universal and does not have any boundaries. That is understood. However, things look different when we talk in wordly terms. And, that is what I was referring to. When some one asks - will I go to a foreign country? - one will not say - What is the difference? Everything is created by the same God. Is it not? :-)) Of course, the entire universe is the creation of one God. And still we say - I am an Indian or I am an American or I am an Australian. I was speaking on this plane and frequency. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > //In your case, you chose to follow Vedic principles, which is > unconventional (or foriegn) to your curlture and tradition. > That > could be the result that played out because of Guru-Rahu > conjunction or 'Unconventionality Yoga'.// > > These Vedic principles you speak of are universal! Natural Law > is universal! > Surely we have to accept that there really is only one truth > and this same > truth is the very foundation of all bonafide religions...why > would one > assume this to be foreign to my culture? No doubt the Hindu > religious > rituals, pujas etc are foreign to my tradition but this is > simply a cultural > expression of religion. > > There are many differences between our cultures but Natural > Law pervades all > things and (should) transcend all cultural differences. The > inner-self is > the same for all, is it not? Life in the grip of suffering > and/or happiness > is the same for us all, is it not? This is the essence, the > heart of Jyotish > and it cannot be confined to any particular culture, surely. > > I certainly do agree that India per se is a more spiritually > oriented > society, no doubt, but it's wrong to assume that all > Westerners are > spiritually bankrupt. If the opportunity presents itself, you > might read > some of Joel Goldsmith's books such as " The Infinite Way " or > " A Parenthesis > in Eternity " or Fr. Bede Griffiths " Return to the Center " . > Many great > mystics (saints and blesseds) have come from this (Western) > culture and > tradition. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > > - > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:24 PM > Re: Dharma > > > Dear Wendy, > > Thanks for your notes on dharma. You should not take these > derogatory mails seriously at all. In this age of faceless > communication, it is very eary to misunderstand someone and > their intentions. This gives rise to the outbursts specially > when people are not mature enough to take statement/remark > that > does not suit their thinking. > > I have my own explanation for Guru-Chandala Yoga. It would be > very interesting to get your comments on the same. Below, I > have > given a copy of the mail that I wrote in another forum a few > months back: > > (Please bear with me for saying Rahu can throw aspects. You > may > choose to ignore it as I know that you don't believe in that. > I > am in the process of reviewing my own stand on this matter.) > > ----------------------------- > What I understand from Guru-Rahu combination is that it makes > the native think unconventionally. He/she may not accept the > traditions by the face value without questioning and satified > with the answers. Hence, he/she may not respect some of the > traditions that does not make logical sense (from his/her > point > of view). His/her uncoventional thinking would result in > rising > to higher levels faster than others or it could make them law > breakers as some of the laws may not make sense to them. > Hence, > the disposition of Guru, Rahu and the rest of the horoscope > will > have a bearing on whether they rise in positive space or in > the > negative space. Some of the famous people who have this > Guru-Rahu conjunction are: > > - Christopher Columbus > - Charles Sobhraj > - Jo Jo Starbuck > - Madonna > - Micheal Jackson > > And, a similar effect is seen in charts where Guru and > Rahu aspect each other. They are again unconventional > thinkers and naturally we can find such combination in > the charts of researchers, scientists and people with > unique approach in what they do. Some of such people > are: > > - Pierre Curie > - Mary Curie > - Louis Pasteur > - JRD Tata > - Srinivasa Ramanujan > - J Krishnamurthy > - Alexander Graham Bell > - Marilyn Monroe > - Nathuram Ghodse > - Alexander The Great > - Winston Churchill > - J F Kennedy > - Jawaharlal Nehru > - Srila Prabhupada > > Hence, Guru-Rahu combintion which is infamously known > as Guru-Chandala Yoga, need not necessarily be bad. It > should be looked at with the rest of the horoscope as > background. > --------------------- > In earlier times, questioning tradition or following something > foriegn was considered very unethical. Hence, I guess the name > 'Guru-Chandala Yoga' is given to this combination. > > In your case, you chose to follow Vedic principles, which is > unconventional (or foriegn) to your curlture and tradition. > That > could be the result that played out because of Guru-Rahu > conjunction or 'Unconventionality Yoga'. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Krishna, //I think I did not make any such assumption or accusation. I again read my mail to see if there was any trace of a hint. But I didn't see any. I don't know how you took this meaning out of my mail.// You're right of course - a bad choice of words on my part. I was up very late watching the cricket and rushed off my response during a commercial break :-( The point I was trying to make Krishna, is that true spirituality transcends cultural differences and what our (Western) mystics have revealed throughout the ages is non-different to the revelations found in the Gita or any other bonafide religious treatise. //When some one asks - will I go to a foreign country? - one will not say - What is the difference? Everything is created by the same God. Is it not? :-))// C'mon Krishna, that analogy is a bit of a stretch...you must know this is far from the point I was making. You've been advocating that RA/GU conjunction has led me to abandon my cultural traditions in favour of foreign traditions and I'm saying this has not been so in my experience! I still practice the religion I was brought up in BTW... I can only repeat the rule that states; " Guru Chandala Yoga is caused by weak Jupiter and Rahu combining in the same sign " . I'm not disputing the fact that this yoga can be harmful to the significations of Jupiter, I am however disputing it's formation when Jupiter is in exaltation sign. I'm sure you must agree it's vitally important to consider all factors when assessing any yoga. You should also, I'm sure, be aware of the effect of GU/RA in nakshatra of exalted 9th lord Mercury, by who's grace I've been led to study religious scripture, vedic sciences (jyotish, ayurveda etc) and other bonafide religions in great depth...there's nothing unconventional about the pursuit of knowledge! But, enough of this now as it's quite clear there's an ever widening chasm between the way we assimilate this knowledge. It would be wise therefore to simply agree to disagree and leave it at that... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:04 PM Re: Dharma Dear Wendy, //...but it's wrong to assume that all Westerners are spiritually bankrupt.// I think I did not make any such assumption or accusation. I again read my mail to see if there was any trace of a hint. But I didn't see any. I don't know how you took this meaning out of my mail. //These Vedic principles you speak of are universal! Natural Law is universal!// At the core level what you say is right. Whether someone worships Jesus or Rama or Allah, they are all worshipping the same almighty. However, the practices change from culture to culture. I was coming from that angle. As Vedic principles (with reference to Vedic Astrology) are somewhat different to Western principles or Western Astrology. Also, you learnt it from foreign Gurus. Again, you might argue that the knowledge is universal and does not have any boundaries. That is understood. However, things look different when we talk in wordly terms. And, that is what I was referring to. When some one asks - will I go to a foreign country? - one will not say - What is the difference? Everything is created by the same God. Is it not? :-)) Of course, the entire universe is the creation of one God. And still we say - I am an Indian or I am an American or I am an Australian. I was speaking on this plane and frequency. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Balaji, ///The site http://www.hydonline.com/people/Kids_Corner/kingsibi.html talks about how Sibi was willing to sacrifice himself to save a dove. Sibi, in this case, like Christ, was willing to sacrifice his perishable body because, like Christ, he realized that this was his destiny./// Thank you Balaji, that is a lovely story :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:01 PM Re: Dharma Wendy ji, ///Probably, dear Balaji, because these sort of attacks generally come around the same time as other difficulties and one tends to become wearied by the onslaught. I think probably what is most distressing is the burning question; " Was it my actions that spawned such animosity? " /// All these, like the rest of our karmas, are to be endured, right, Wendy ji? And why blame yourself? You can be held accountable for your actions, not for the silly reactions of others! ///Not that I'm making any comparison (heaven forbid!), but I am certainly reminded of the words of Christ in the garden of Gethsemane when he cried out to God, " Take this cup from me " but then, realising it was his inescapable destiny, he uttered the words; " Not my will but yours be done. " /// This reminds me of a quote in " The Last Temptation of Christ " by Nikos Kazantzakis, in which somebody says that if God listened to mothers, then there would be no saints! Christ was enlightened because he realized that, by sacrificing his perishable body, He could attain imperishable bliss. This is Moksha--not only for Him, but for all His followers. ///There are many differences between our cultures but Natural Law pervades all things and (should) transcend all cultural differences. The inner-self is the same for all, is it not? Life in the grip of suffering and/or happiness is the same for us all, is it not? This is the essence, the heart of Jyotish and it cannot be confined to any particular culture, surely. I certainly do agree that India per se is a more spiritually oriented society, no doubt, but it's wrong to assume that all Westerners are spiritually bankrupt./// I think, Wendy ji, that since Jyotish is so all encompassing, anybody with strong Dharma (1, 5, 9) and Moksha houses (4, 8, 12), will always be drawn towards Him, irrespective of where he is born, and where he lives. This is illustrated, perhaps, in the role that the dove plays in Christianity and Hinduism. According to http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05144b.htm the Dove is described as " As a symbol of martyrdom it indicated the action of the Holy Spirit in bestowal of the fortitude necessary for the endurance of suffering. " The site http://www.hydonline.com/people/Kids_Corner/kingsibi.html talks about how Sibi was willing to sacrifice himself to save a dove. Sibi, in this case, like Christ, was willing to sacrifice his perishable body because, like Christ, he realized that this was his destiny. ///PS: I'm anxious to go watch the cricket (Australia/South Africa) on TV./// My dad loves cricket--but my little nephew insists on watching Cartoon Network, so my dad, like you, loses " the battle of the remote " quite often! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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