Jupiters moves into saggitarius - sorabh

[Guest guest]

Dear Rui

 

I like the way you have analysed the chart and explained the

transit - it has really opened my eyes in the importance of transits

from a different perspective. However i fail to see how venus acts

as a malefic - i do not agree with the principle that just because

the native is of a cancer ascendant that venus and mercury become

malefics - they are both as you can see in good positions in the

chart. If it really were true that for cancer lagna venus and

mercury act as malefics then we would see more marital problems and

problems with women would we not ? pls correct me if im wrong

 

many thanks

kind regards

sorabh

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote:

>

> Dear Sorabh,

>

> Both transits and dashas are very important and the chart you have

now given

> is good example of that, but dashas and transits are just 2

factors of the

> many you have to take into account.

>

> The nakshatra is another major factor and in this case when the

native

> started his Rahu/Sun period, Venus was transiting Mars

(significator for

> career, profession, honour, etc) in the Sun's nakshatra in Virgo.

According

> Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is malefic for

Cancer and

> in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is

debiliated in

> Virgo.

>

> Best wishes, Rui.

>

> On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rui

> >

> > Thanks for showing an interest - actually i was coducting a test

> > to see how views differ from al the users in this group -there

are

> > many astrologers i know that prefer to follow transits - i prefer

> > following dasha periods. The date of birth of the individual is

20-

> > 06-1982 , time 8.26am and born in greenwich london uk. Lagna

should

> > be cancer. If you look at his second house of daily income- the

2nd

> > lord sun is in the 12th house of loss together being eclipsed by

> > rahu. As soon as this rahu-sun dasha started this boy lost his

job -

> > i think it is the dasha that caused it rather than jupiters move

to

> > the 8th house - but i would love to know all your opinions as the

> > loss of job has happened around the same time when jupiter moved

and

> > also when the dasha changed - butwhat is the main cause of job

> > loss ? the dasha change ? .....would u agree with me when i say

this

> > boy cannot earn much through employment and should find some

other

> > means ? thanks

> >

> > regard

> > sorabh

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%

40>,

> > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sorabh,

> > >

> > > Could you please provide birth data of your friends so we could

> > see how

> > > Jupiter's transit could have been that bad? I would like to

have

> > something

> > > specific to discuss, just being Taurus is very general, we

need to

> > know

> > > where all grahas are and their relationships.

> > >

> > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > >

> > > On 23/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi All

> > > >

> > > > hope you are all well - 3 of my friends who are taurus rashis

> > > > experienced job losses or major demotions during the recent

move

> > of

> > > > jupiter into saggitarius (for them being the 8th house - i

was

> > > > wondering if anyone has experienced something similar to

them??

> > this

> > > > move of jupiter has affected the lives of a lot of people i

know

> > > >

> > > > kind regards

> > > > sorabh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rui and Sorabh,

 

 

 

Rui, it's so great to see you again on list! Your thoughts and writing are

very clear and helpful for all of us in our studies and understanding.

 

 

 

Rui and Sorabh, this topic has been really great and clarifying different

aspects of Jyotish and how we might expect it to work out in specific

charts. Thanks so much for your time in sharing this.

 

 

 

Rui, is it too simplistic to ask for a list of lagnas and their specific

functional malefic/benefic planets? Something such as you've written below

regarding Venus being a malefic for Cancer. I have looked on line again

recently, after doing this many other times as well, to get a really clear

description of this via different lagnas. Is there a place you can recommend

where the list has been given, or the rules by which to judge, by Parashara?

 

 

 

While looking at these websites, I've seen different opinions on how this is

judged and am not sure what is the EXACT view of this according to Parashara

versus many on line places give Systems Approach.

 

 

 

Confusion on this has led me to ignore this perhaps more than is wise. I

mean, we know what are the obvious malefics - using Wilhelm's book he

writes, " Saturn, Mars, the Sun, waning Moon, Rahu and ketu are malefics.

Jupiter, Venus, Mercury and waxing Moon are benefics. Mercury, however, is a

malefic if he joins a malefic. "

 

 

 

This then combined with the temporal relationships in the specific chart,

such as in your friend's chart, Sorabh, Mercury is neutral to Saturn due to

placements, whereas the natural relationship of Mercury to Saturn is a

friend. And Saturn is enemy to Mercury in this chart due to placements,

whereas the natural relationship of Saturn to Mercury is neutral.

 

 

 

Or more to your topic of Venus and Cancer: Moon being a natural enemy to

Venus and now by placement in same house as Moon makes this Venus a great

enemy to this Moon. (BTW, in this chart Venus is final depositor of all

planets, making this planet especially important in this chart. So having a

complete understanding which includes Parashara's view of functional

malefics, etc.., perhaps even more essential.)

 

 

 

Parashara's rules you are referring to however are along the lines of house

ownership, correct? And added depth as well considering thoughts on benefics

owning kendras etc.

 

 

 

Thanks, best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

 

 

____________________________

 

Rui wrote:

 

 

 

///According to Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is malefic

for Cancer and

in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is debiliated in

Virgo.///

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

 

Thank you for welcoming back on the list. I will try and contribute more

especially during the weekends, that's when I have more spare time for

studying charts.

 

It was good that you raised the question because it made me look for it in

several books. James Braha classifies Venus and Mercury as bad for Cancer

ascendant, David Frawley says they are inauspicious.

 

Functional malefics/benefics became a key structural term for the System's

Approach astrologers but before that I think there have always been

functional malefics and benefics. In fact, SA is not that new a system, it

was actually the old sage Mantreshwara who laid down the rules for what

would then be the SA in his book " Phala Deepika " many centuries ago - 16th

century to be exact.

 

Talk later and best wishes, Rui.

 

On 26/11/2007, Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote:

>

> Dear Rui and Sorabh,

>

> Rui, it's so great to see you again on list! Your thoughts and writing are

> very clear and helpful for all of us in our studies and understanding.

>

> Rui and Sorabh, this topic has been really great and clarifying different

> aspects of Jyotish and how we might expect it to work out in specific

> charts. Thanks so much for your time in sharing this.

>

> Rui, is it too simplistic to ask for a list of lagnas and their specific

> functional malefic/benefic planets? Something such as you've written below

> regarding Venus being a malefic for Cancer. I have looked on line again

> recently, after doing this many other times as well, to get a really clear

> description of this via different lagnas. Is there a place you can

> recommend

> where the list has been given, or the rules by which to judge, by

> Parashara?

>

> While looking at these websites, I've seen different opinions on how this

> is

> judged and am not sure what is the EXACT view of this according to

> Parashara

> versus many on line places give Systems Approach.

>

> Confusion on this has led me to ignore this perhaps more than is wise. I

> mean, we know what are the obvious malefics - using Wilhelm's book he

> writes, " Saturn, Mars, the Sun, waning Moon, Rahu and ketu are malefics.

> Jupiter, Venus, Mercury and waxing Moon are benefics. Mercury, however, is

> a

> malefic if he joins a malefic. "

>

> This then combined with the temporal relationships in the specific chart,

> such as in your friend's chart, Sorabh, Mercury is neutral to Saturn due

> to

> placements, whereas the natural relationship of Mercury to Saturn is a

> friend. And Saturn is enemy to Mercury in this chart due to placements,

> whereas the natural relationship of Saturn to Mercury is neutral.

>

> Or more to your topic of Venus and Cancer: Moon being a natural enemy to

> Venus and now by placement in same house as Moon makes this Venus a great

> enemy to this Moon. (BTW, in this chart Venus is final depositor of all

> planets, making this planet especially important in this chart. So having

> a

> complete understanding which includes Parashara's view of functional

> malefics, etc.., perhaps even more essential.)

>

> Parashara's rules you are referring to however are along the lines of

> house

> ownership, correct? And added depth as well considering thoughts on

> benefics

> owning kendras etc.

>

> Thanks, best wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

> ____________________________

>

> Rui wrote:

>

> ///According to Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is

> malefic

> for Cancer and

> in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is debiliated in

> Virgo.///

>

>