Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Gaurav, Namaskar, I am from Delhi. I want to buy about 5 1/4 Ratti Neelam. Please guide me as to how to identify a good quality Real Neelam? How much would a flawless Neelam of this size cost in India? How to identify whether the stone is heat treated or not? Are Kashmiri Neelams available and how much would they cost? Which Origin Neelam would you recommend to be worn for astrological purpose. Regards, JV SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Aum Durgayai namah Om Shreem Mahalaxmiyai Namah Dear JV, For the benefit of the readers, I am coping this message to other lists as well, I hope you are cool with it. Please be sure that you want to wear a Neelam, for because of the guna, it is known to give extreme results. Blue sapphire is one stone that we should try and wear that which is at the least flawless to the eye and NOT subject to any enhancements. It is a stone that is most commonly subject to heat treatments which a novice to the trade can not detect thru a naked eye. Also, recently during my trips to Bangkok, I was shown some diffusion blue sapphires polished high to go mixed into otherwise only heated parcels. For jyotish, both forms are to be avoided, this is my strong belief per shastras and parampara. Now, what you can look for when buying..I give a few guidelines that I think can make you a smarter buyer, wherever you choose to buy your gem. To start, I can not insist enough that trustworthy-ness of the gem dealer is paramount, when buying a gem, this goes for the quality, size, shape, color, " jyotish quality " and price of the gem. Now: the best ones are (were mined) from kashmir, however the little Genuine Kashmir's traded in the market now are so expensively priced that for jyotish purposes, it makes NO sense to buy them as oppose to other similar & comparable material from Burma, Ceylon, Vietnam, or Illakaka (Madagascar). Color: The Ideal is the " corn flower " blue that is pleasing to the eye, otherwise go for a strong to medium blue, and avoid very light shades.Also avoid the grayish and blackish variety. One thing very important to note is the hue and saturation of color, and to attempt to have it even throughout the stone. Very often than not, material will have zoning, (specially ceylon, Mada and not so much Burma and the far eastern belt), avoid zoning that is visible to the eye. Clarity: Ideally we all want absolutely loop clean materials, but at the least, the stone has to be eye clean. Must be avoided are Black spots in Blue sapphires for our purposes, and so are visible cracks and fractures. I personally deem minor rutile silks within the material acceptable, as they are the assurance that the gem is infact natural and not been subject to enhancements. Size: As always, Quality is much more important than size. I would suggest you rather wear a 3 carat fine gem than a 10 carat commercial rock. This is also where most people make the mistake. Remember, by wearing a gem, the idea is we are inviting the associated deity to come and grace the gem with their presence. So their residing place we want to be as clean as possible. As a general rule and keeping in mind the commercial pricing of the gem, at the least 2 carats of the gem is recommended. Shape & Cut: Round, oval, Trillian, Cushion, any shape is acceptable generally, so long as the shape is well defined, and properly cut with proper faceting. Avoid lop-sided, and disproportionately cut gems. Remember, there is also the light principle working, and by wearing properly and proportionately faceted gems, we maximize the concentration of light passing thru the stone to a single/center point. This is why that " tip " of the stone MUST touch our skin you see. A good combination of shape and cutting maximizes the sparkle and sweetness of the gem. So, avoid enhancements, and if you are making a serious investment into this, do look at a couple of placed before you buy. Remember, that most importantly its karmic, so when looking at the gems, look for one that " appeals " to you, for its " sweet sattvic " feel. That will be the gem for your calling ! " One has to be very lucky to own a fine piece of precious gem, for you don't choose a gem, it chooses you " I only hope that I have satisfied your thrust to some extent, and any further questions can be directed to me. Namaste; Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/26/2007 12:00:27 P.M. India Standard Time, jyotish_vigyan writes: Dear Gaurav, Namaskar, I am from Delhi. I want to buy about 5 1/4 Ratti Neelam. Please guide me as to how to identify a good quality Real Neelam? How much would a flawless Neelam of this size cost in India? How to identify whether the stone is heat treated or not? Are Kashmiri Neelams available and how much would they cost? Which Origin Neelam would you recommend to be worn for astrological purpose. Regards, JV SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 || Aum Durgayai Namah |||| Om Shreem Mahalaxmiyai Namah || Namaste Manoj ji, You raise a very interesting point. Perhaps the members can pick from it. All comparable gems look the same to the generally naked & untrained eye of the purchaser/wearer. However, No two gems are the Same. So, when buying, even when I buy or cut from rough, I look for what parcel of gems is calling me, is pleasing to the eye and heart. This is little off-the-logic but is a very important factor in my opinion. Certain gems "call" or "attract" you more than others, and that is what I mean buy the sweet & sattvic feel to the gem. Its the vibrations looking at it, put it in the center of your palm and "feeling" the vibrational changes. There are many who might disagree or question my statements above as it most clearly lacks logic and quantifiable reasoning, so please know that it is from my personal experience and opinion that I make such statements, which by the way according to me must be kept in mind when looking at gems for Jyotish Purposes. Now, coming to your specific case, notice how much difficulty we had to arrange for payments and shipment of goods to arrive at your doorstep in time, specially since I was also leaving the country for a trip to Jaipur and Bangkok. Then on, the stone won't leave you because due to my travelling and illness I got stuck in India and could not make it back for a longer time. What more, but still when you were shipping, the stone won't leave you as it got stopped etc.... My guru says that a gem starts working as soon as you buy it, even before you actually wear it. Nimittas give us indications of good or bad from it. That is why I ensure that all my clients are protected in their purchase with me, so that as they try on a particular gem, if in-fact is not for their Calling, they always have the option to return the stone for a refund. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/27/2007 10:24:24 P.M. India Standard Time, manojsharma662000 writes: Namaskar Gaurav Bhai,<Remember, that most importantly its karmic, so whenlooking at the gems, look for one that "appeals" toyou, for its "sweet sattvic" feel. That will be thegem for your calling !>I am quite intrigued by yours this quote. Just want toask you what exactly you mean by "sweet sattvic" feel.When I had tried wearing the Blue Sapphire bought fromyou, even before the stone reached me, I was getting afeeling that perhaps this stone will suit me. But, asyou know, it did not.My chart doesn't allow the gem remedy to work. MyLagna Lord in 12th house also happens to be the sixthlord. So I can't wear the Lagna Lord stone because ithappens to be the sixth lord as well. Saturn in mycase is 9 th and 10 th lord in eleventh, so I thoughtit would suit me. But it did not!!!So whether a gem suits or not is again a Karmic issueor what? I guess it is!!!Manoj --- yobrevol wrote:> > Aum Durgayai namah> Om Shreem Mahalaxmiyai Namah> > Dear JV,> > For the benefit of the readers, I am coping this > message to other lists as > well, I hope you are cool with it. > > Please be sure that you want to wear a Neelam, for > because of the guna, it > is known to give extreme results. > > Blue sapphire is one stone that we should try and> wear that which is at the > least flawless to the eye and NOT subject to any > enhancements. It is a stone > that is most commonly subject to heat treatments > which a novice to the trade > can not detect thru a naked eye. Also, recently> during my trips to Bangkok, I > was shown some diffusion blue sapphires polished> high to go mixed into > otherwise only heated parcels. For jyotish, both> forms are to be avoided, this is > my strong belief per shastras and parampara. > > Now, what you can look for when buying..I give a > few guidelines that I think > can make you a smarter buyer, wherever you choose to> buy your gem. To start, > I can not insist enough that trustworthy-ness of the> gem dealer is > paramount, when buying a gem, this goes for the> quality, size, shape, color, "jyotish > quality" and price of the gem. > > Now: the best ones are (were mined) from kashmir, > however the little Genuine > Kashmir's traded in the market now are so > expensively priced that for > jyotish purposes, it makes NO sense to buy them as > oppose to other similar & > comparable material from Burma, Ceylon, Vietnam, or> Illakaka (Madagascar). > > Color: The Ideal is the "corn flower" blue that is > pleasing to the eye, > otherwise go for a strong to medium blue, and avoid> very light shades.Also avoid > the grayish and blackish variety. One thing very > important to note is the hue > and saturation of color, and to attempt to have it > even throughout the > stone. Very often than not, material will have> zoning, (specially ceylon, Mada and > not so much Burma and the far eastern belt), avoid > zoning that is visible to > the eye. > > Clarity: Ideally we all want absolutely loop clean> materials, but at the > least, the stone has to be eye clean. Must be > avoided are Black spots in Blue > sapphires for our purposes, and so are visible> cracks and fractures. I > personally deem minor rutile silks within the> material acceptable, as they are the > assurance that the gem is infact natural and not> been subject to enhancements. > > Size: As always, Quality is much more important > than size. I would suggest > you rather wear a 3 carat fine gem than a 10 carat > commercial rock. This is > also where most people make the mistake. Remember,> by wearing a gem, the idea > is we are inviting the associated deity to come and > grace the gem with their > presence. So their residing place we want to be as > clean as possible. As a > general rule and keeping in mind the commercial> pricing of the gem, at the least > 2 carats of the gem is recommended. > > Shape & Cut: Round, oval, Trillian, Cushion, any > shape is acceptable > generally, so long as the shape is well defined, and> properly cut with proper > faceting. Avoid lop-sided, and disproportionately> cut gems. Remember, there is also > the light principle working, and by wearing > properly and proportionately > faceted gems, we maximize the concentration of > light passing thru the stone to a > single/center point. This is why that "tip" of the> stone MUST touch our skin > you see. A good combination of shape and cutting> maximizes the sparkle and > sweetness of the gem. > > So, avoid enhancements, and if you are making a> serious investment into > this, do look at a couple of placed before you buy.> Remember, that most > importantly its karmic, so when looking at the gems,> look for one that "appeals" to > you, for its "sweet sattvic" feel. That will be the> gem for your calling !> > "One has to be very lucky to own a fine piece of> precious gem, for you don't > choose a gem, it chooses you" > > I only hope that I have satisfied your thrust to> some extent, and any > further questions can be directed to me. > > Namaste;> Gaurav Jain> > > In a message dated 4/26/2007 12:00:27 P.M. India> Standard Time, > jyotish_vigyan writes:> > Dear Gaurav,> > Namaskar,> > I am from Delhi. I want to buy about 5 1/4 Ratti> Neelam.> > Please guide me as to how to identify a good quality> Real Neelam? > > How much would a flawless Neelam of this size cost> in India?> > How to identify whether the stone is heat treated or> not?> > Are Kashmiri Neelams available and how much would> they cost?> > Which Origin Neelam would you recommend to be worn> for astrological purpose.> > Regards,> > JV> > > > > > SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that> you're online on > Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed]> > > > Archives: > vedic astrology> > Group info: >vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> Krishnaarpanamastu || > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Namaskar Gaurav Bhai, <Remember, that most importantly its karmic, so when looking at the gems, look for one that " appeals " to you, for its " sweet sattvic " feel. That will be the gem for your calling !> I am quite intrigued by yours this quote. Just want to ask you what exactly you mean by " sweet sattvic " feel. When I had tried wearing the Blue Sapphire bought from you, even before the stone reached me, I was getting a feeling that perhaps this stone will suit me. But, as you know, it did not. My chart doesn't allow the gem remedy to work. My Lagna Lord in 12th house also happens to be the sixth lord. So I can't wear the Lagna Lord stone because it happens to be the sixth lord as well. Saturn in my case is 9 th and 10 th lord in eleventh, so I thought it would suit me. But it did not!!! So whether a gem suits or not is again a Karmic issue or what? I guess it is!!! Manoj --- yobrevol wrote: > > Aum Durgayai namah > Om Shreem Mahalaxmiyai Namah > > Dear JV, > > For the benefit of the readers, I am coping this > message to other lists as > well, I hope you are cool with it. > > Please be sure that you want to wear a Neelam, for > because of the guna, it > is known to give extreme results. > > Blue sapphire is one stone that we should try and > wear that which is at the > least flawless to the eye and NOT subject to any > enhancements. It is a stone > that is most commonly subject to heat treatments > which a novice to the trade > can not detect thru a naked eye. Also, recently > during my trips to Bangkok, I > was shown some diffusion blue sapphires polished > high to go mixed into > otherwise only heated parcels. For jyotish, both > forms are to be avoided, this is > my strong belief per shastras and parampara. > > Now, what you can look for when buying..I give a > few guidelines that I think > can make you a smarter buyer, wherever you choose to > buy your gem. To start, > I can not insist enough that trustworthy-ness of the > gem dealer is > paramount, when buying a gem, this goes for the > quality, size, shape, color, " jyotish > quality " and price of the gem. > > Now: the best ones are (were mined) from kashmir, > however the little Genuine > Kashmir's traded in the market now are so > expensively priced that for > jyotish purposes, it makes NO sense to buy them as > oppose to other similar & > comparable material from Burma, Ceylon, Vietnam, or > Illakaka (Madagascar). > > Color: The Ideal is the " corn flower " blue that is > pleasing to the eye, > otherwise go for a strong to medium blue, and avoid > very light shades.Also avoid > the grayish and blackish variety. One thing very > important to note is the hue > and saturation of color, and to attempt to have it > even throughout the > stone. Very often than not, material will have > zoning, (specially ceylon, Mada and > not so much Burma and the far eastern belt), avoid > zoning that is visible to > the eye. > > Clarity: Ideally we all want absolutely loop clean > materials, but at the > least, the stone has to be eye clean. Must be > avoided are Black spots in Blue > sapphires for our purposes, and so are visible > cracks and fractures. I > personally deem minor rutile silks within the > material acceptable, as they are the > assurance that the gem is infact natural and not > been subject to enhancements. > > Size: As always, Quality is much more important > than size. I would suggest > you rather wear a 3 carat fine gem than a 10 carat > commercial rock. This is > also where most people make the mistake. Remember, > by wearing a gem, the idea > is we are inviting the associated deity to come and > grace the gem with their > presence. So their residing place we want to be as > clean as possible. As a > general rule and keeping in mind the commercial > pricing of the gem, at the least > 2 carats of the gem is recommended. > > Shape & Cut: Round, oval, Trillian, Cushion, any > shape is acceptable > generally, so long as the shape is well defined, and > properly cut with proper > faceting. Avoid lop-sided, and disproportionately > cut gems. Remember, there is also > the light principle working, and by wearing > properly and proportionately > faceted gems, we maximize the concentration of > light passing thru the stone to a > single/center point. This is why that " tip " of the > stone MUST touch our skin > you see. A good combination of shape and cutting > maximizes the sparkle and > sweetness of the gem. > > So, avoid enhancements, and if you are making a > serious investment into > this, do look at a couple of placed before you buy. > Remember, that most > importantly its karmic, so when looking at the gems, > look for one that " appeals " to > you, for its " sweet sattvic " feel. That will be the > gem for your calling ! > > " One has to be very lucky to own a fine piece of > precious gem, for you don't > choose a gem, it chooses you " > > I only hope that I have satisfied your thrust to > some extent, and any > further questions can be directed to me. > > Namaste; > Gaurav Jain > > > In a message dated 4/26/2007 12:00:27 P.M. India > Standard Time, > jyotish_vigyan writes: > > Dear Gaurav, > > Namaskar, > > I am from Delhi. I want to buy about 5 1/4 Ratti > Neelam. > > Please guide me as to how to identify a good quality > Real Neelam? > > How much would a flawless Neelam of this size cost > in India? > > How to identify whether the stone is heat treated or > not? > > Are Kashmiri Neelams available and how much would > they cost? > > Which Origin Neelam would you recommend to be worn > for astrological purpose. > > Regards, > > JV > > > > > > SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that > you're online on > Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Aum Durgayai namah Om Shreem Mahalaxmiyai Namah Dear JV, For the benefit of the readers, I am coping this message to other lists as well, I hope you are cool with it. Please be sure that you want to wear a Neelam, for because of the guna, it is known to give extreme results. Blue sapphire is one stone that we should try and wear that which is at the least flawless to the eye and NOT subject to any enhancements. It is a stone that is most commonly subject to heat treatments which a novice to the trade can not detect thru a naked eye. Also, recently during my trips to Bangkok, I was shown some diffusion blue sapphires polished high to go mixed into otherwise only heated parcels. For jyotish, both forms are to be avoided, this is my strong belief per shastras and parampara. Now, what you can look for when buying..I give a few guidelines that I think can make you a smarter buyer, wherever you choose to buy your gem. To start, I can not insist enough that trustworthy-ness of the gem dealer is paramount, when buying a gem, this goes for the quality, size, shape, color, "jyotish quality" and price of the gem. Now: the best ones are (were mined) from kashmir, however the little Genuine Kashmir's traded in the market now are so expensively priced that for jyotish purposes, it makes NO sense to buy them as oppose to other similar & comparable material from Burma, Ceylon, Vietnam, or Illakaka (Madagascar). Color: The Ideal is the "corn flower" blue that is pleasing to the eye, otherwise go for a strong to medium blue, and avoid very light shades.Also avoid the grayish and blackish variety. One thing very important to note is the hue and saturation of color, and to attempt to have it even throughout the stone. Very often than not, material will have zoning, (specially ceylon, Mada and not so much Burma and the far eastern belt), avoid zoning that is visible to the eye. Clarity: Ideally we all want absolutely loop clean materials, but at the least, the stone has to be eye clean. Must be avoided are Black spots in Blue sapphires for our purposes, and so are visible cracks and fractures. I personally deem minor rutile silks within the material acceptable, as they are the assurance that the gem is infact natural and not been subject to enhancements. Size: As always, Quality is much more important than size. I would suggest you rather wear a 3 carat fine gem than a 10 carat commercial rock. This is also where most people make the mistake. Remember, by wearing a gem, the idea is we are inviting the associated deity to come and grace the gem with their presence. So their residing place we want to be as clean as possible. As a general rule and keeping in mind the commercial pricing of the gem, at the least 2 carats of the gem is recommended. Shape & Cut: Round, oval, Trillian, Cushion, any shape is acceptable generally, so long as the shape is well defined, and properly cut with proper faceting. Avoid lop-sided, and disproportionately cut gems. Remember, there is also the light principle working, and by wearing properly and proportionately faceted gems, we maximize the concentration of light passing thru the stone to a single/center point. This is why that "tip" of the stone MUST touch our skin you see. A good combination of shape and cutting maximizes the sparkle and sweetness of the gem. So, avoid enhancements, and if you are making a serious investment into this, do look at a couple of placed before you buy. Remember, that most importantly its karmic, so when looking at the gems, look for one that "appeals" to you, for its "sweet sattvic" feel. That will be the gem for your calling ! "One has to be very lucky to own a fine piece of precious gem, for you don't choose a gem, it chooses you" I only hope that I have satisfied your thrust to some extent, and any further questions can be directed to me. Namaste; Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/26/2007 12:00:27 P.M. India Standard Time, jyotish_vigyan writes: Dear Gaurav,Namaskar,I am from Delhi. I want to buy about 5 1/4 Ratti Neelam.Please guide me as to how to identify a good quality Real Neelam? How much would a flawless Neelam of this size cost in India?How to identify whether the stone is heat treated or not?Are Kashmiri Neelams available and how much would they cost?Which Origin Neelam would you recommend to be worn for astrological purpose.Regards,JV SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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