Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dear Sorabh, In this chart, Venus and Mercury are considered to be functional malefics, that means they will harm the grahas they conjoin with and/or the houses they are placed in, but that does not mean they will act as malefics for their own houses or significations. In this case, Venus seems to be strong in Taurus because it owns the sign. The other significator for relationships and marital issues is Saturn (another functional malefic for Cancer) and this is conjunct functional benefic 5th lord Mars. Best wishes, Rui. On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > Dear Rui > > I like the way you have analysed the chart and explained the > transit - it has really opened my eyes in the importance of transits > from a different perspective. However i fail to see how venus acts > as a malefic - i do not agree with the principle that just because > the native is of a cancer ascendant that venus and mercury become > malefics - they are both as you can see in good positions in the > chart. If it really were true that for cancer lagna venus and > mercury act as malefics then we would see more marital problems and > problems with women would we not ? pls correct me if im wrong > > many thanks > kind regards > sorabh > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > Both transits and dashas are very important and the chart you have > now given > > is good example of that, but dashas and transits are just 2 > factors of the > > many you have to take into account. > > > > The nakshatra is another major factor and in this case when the > native > > started his Rahu/Sun period, Venus was transiting Mars > (significator for > > career, profession, honour, etc) in the Sun's nakshatra in Virgo. > According > > Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is malefic for > Cancer and > > in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is > debiliated in > > Virgo. > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > Thanks for showing an interest - actually i was coducting a test > > > to see how views differ from al the users in this group -there > are > > > many astrologers i know that prefer to follow transits - i prefer > > > following dasha periods. The date of birth of the individual is > 20- > > > 06-1982 , time 8.26am and born in greenwich london uk. Lagna > should > > > be cancer. If you look at his second house of daily income- the > 2nd > > > lord sun is in the 12th house of loss together being eclipsed by > > > rahu. As soon as this rahu-sun dasha started this boy lost his > job - > > > i think it is the dasha that caused it rather than jupiters move > to > > > the 8th house - but i would love to know all your opinions as the > > > loss of job has happened around the same time when jupiter moved > and > > > also when the dasha changed - butwhat is the main cause of job > > > loss ? the dasha change ? .....would u agree with me when i say > this > > > boy cannot earn much through employment and should find some > other > > > means ? thanks > > > > > > regard > > > sorabh > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40>, > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > Could you please provide birth data of your friends so we could > > > see how > > > > Jupiter's transit could have been that bad? I would like to > have > > > something > > > > specific to discuss, just being Taurus is very general, we > need to > > > know > > > > where all grahas are and their relationships. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > On 23/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > > > hope you are all well - 3 of my friends who are taurus rashis > > > > > experienced job losses or major demotions during the recent > move > > > of > > > > > jupiter into saggitarius (for them being the 8th house - i > was > > > > > wondering if anyone has experienced something similar to > them?? > > > this > > > > > move of jupiter has affected the lives of a lot of people i > know > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dear Rui Thank you for your clarifications - your insight and explanations have been most helpful. You say venus is strong in its house of taurus- but the degrees is just above zero - does this not make it weak ? an infant ? thanks regards sorabh -- In jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Dear Sorabh, > > In this chart, Venus and Mercury are considered to be functional malefics, > that means they will harm the grahas they conjoin with and/or the houses > they are placed in, but that does not mean they will act as malefics for > their own houses or significations. > > In this case, Venus seems to be strong in Taurus because it owns the sign. > The other significator for relationships and marital issues is Saturn > (another functional malefic for Cancer) and this is conjunct functional > benefic 5th lord Mars. > > Best wishes, Rui. > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > > > Dear Rui > > > > I like the way you have analysed the chart and explained the > > transit - it has really opened my eyes in the importance of transits > > from a different perspective. However i fail to see how venus acts > > as a malefic - i do not agree with the principle that just because > > the native is of a cancer ascendant that venus and mercury become > > malefics - they are both as you can see in good positions in the > > chart. If it really were true that for cancer lagna venus and > > mercury act as malefics then we would see more marital problems and > > problems with women would we not ? pls correct me if im wrong > > > > many thanks > > kind regards > > sorabh > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>, > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > Both transits and dashas are very important and the chart you have > > now given > > > is good example of that, but dashas and transits are just 2 > > factors of the > > > many you have to take into account. > > > > > > The nakshatra is another major factor and in this case when the > > native > > > started his Rahu/Sun period, Venus was transiting Mars > > (significator for > > > career, profession, honour, etc) in the Sun's nakshatra in Virgo. > > According > > > Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is malefic for > > Cancer and > > > in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is > > debiliated in > > > Virgo. > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > Thanks for showing an interest - actually i was coducting a test > > > > to see how views differ from al the users in this group - there > > are > > > > many astrologers i know that prefer to follow transits - i prefer > > > > following dasha periods. The date of birth of the individual is > > 20- > > > > 06-1982 , time 8.26am and born in greenwich london uk. Lagna > > should > > > > be cancer. If you look at his second house of daily income- the > > 2nd > > > > lord sun is in the 12th house of loss together being eclipsed by > > > > rahu. As soon as this rahu-sun dasha started this boy lost his > > job - > > > > i think it is the dasha that caused it rather than jupiters move > > to > > > > the 8th house - but i would love to know all your opinions as the > > > > loss of job has happened around the same time when jupiter moved > > and > > > > also when the dasha changed - butwhat is the main cause of job > > > > loss ? the dasha change ? .....would u agree with me when i say > > this > > > > boy cannot earn much through employment and should find some > > other > > > > means ? thanks > > > > > > > > regard > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>, > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > Could you please provide birth data of your friends so we could > > > > see how > > > > > Jupiter's transit could have been that bad? I would like to > > have > > > > something > > > > > specific to discuss, just being Taurus is very general, we > > need to > > > > know > > > > > where all grahas are and their relationships. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > On 23/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > > > > > hope you are all well - 3 of my friends who are taurus rashis > > > > > > experienced job losses or major demotions during the recent > > move > > > > of > > > > > > jupiter into saggitarius (for them being the 8th house - i > > was > > > > > > wondering if anyone has experienced something similar to > > them?? > > > > this > > > > > > move of jupiter has affected the lives of a lot of people i > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dear Sorabh, Yes, this makes Venus vulnerable but it still is in Taurus (own sign) and this helps Venus fight its vulnerability. Would it be correct for me to think you are strongly influenced by the Systems Approach astrology propounded by V K Choudry? Your replies and questions seem to echo some of the SA's principles, but I may be wrong. This is not a criticism, just a question. Still regarding the loss of job, you should always look at the 10th house and lord first. In the chart you mentioned, Mars (10th lord) is already vulnerable in 3rd because of its conjunction with Saturn (8th lord of death), now add this to the transit of debilitated Venus (triggered by the Sun's period) and you will see how afflicted Mars becomes. I think you also asked " would u agree with me when i say this boy cannot earn much through employment and should find some other means? " Would this boy be you? Anyway to see what kind of career the native should have you should look at where 10th lord is and at the Dasamsa chart. 10th lord is in 3rd of writings and languages conjunct 8th lord, so I would suggest a profession to do with languages (perhaps translations or those new computer languages), something technical because of Mars but also to do with research because of 8th lord Saturn. What job did the native have anyway? Best wishes, Rui. On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > Dear Rui > > Thank you for your clarifications - your insight and explanations > have been most helpful. You say venus is strong in its house of > taurus- but the degrees is just above zero - does this not make it > weak ? an infant ? thanks > > regards > sorabh > > -- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > In this chart, Venus and Mercury are considered to be functional > malefics, > > that means they will harm the grahas they conjoin with and/or the > houses > > they are placed in, but that does not mean they will act as > malefics for > > their own houses or significations. > > > > In this case, Venus seems to be strong in Taurus because it owns > the sign. > > The other significator for relationships and marital issues is > Saturn > > (another functional malefic for Cancer) and this is conjunct > functional > > benefic 5th lord Mars. > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > I like the way you have analysed the chart and explained the > > > transit - it has really opened my eyes in the importance of > transits > > > from a different perspective. However i fail to see how venus > acts > > > as a malefic - i do not agree with the principle that just > because > > > the native is of a cancer ascendant that venus and mercury become > > > malefics - they are both as you can see in good positions in the > > > chart. If it really were true that for cancer lagna venus and > > > mercury act as malefics then we would see more marital problems > and > > > problems with women would we not ? pls correct me if im wrong > > > > > > many thanks > > > kind regards > > > sorabh > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40>, > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > Both transits and dashas are very important and the chart you > have > > > now given > > > > is good example of that, but dashas and transits are just 2 > > > factors of the > > > > many you have to take into account. > > > > > > > > The nakshatra is another major factor and in this case when the > > > native > > > > started his Rahu/Sun period, Venus was transiting Mars > > > (significator for > > > > career, profession, honour, etc) in the Sun's nakshatra in > Virgo. > > > According > > > > Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is malefic for > > > Cancer and > > > > in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is > > > debiliated in > > > > Virgo. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for showing an interest - actually i was coducting a > test > > > > > to see how views differ from al the users in this group - > there > > > are > > > > > many astrologers i know that prefer to follow transits - i > prefer > > > > > following dasha periods. The date of birth of the individual > is > > > 20- > > > > > 06-1982 , time 8.26am and born in greenwich london uk. Lagna > > > should > > > > > be cancer. If you look at his second house of daily income- > the > > > 2nd > > > > > lord sun is in the 12th house of loss together being > eclipsed by > > > > > rahu. As soon as this rahu-sun dasha started this boy lost > his > > > job - > > > > > i think it is the dasha that caused it rather than jupiters > move > > > to > > > > > the 8th house - but i would love to know all your opinions > as the > > > > > loss of job has happened around the same time when jupiter > moved > > > and > > > > > also when the dasha changed - butwhat is the main cause of > job > > > > > loss ? the dasha change ? .....would u agree with me when i > say > > > this > > > > > boy cannot earn much through employment and should find some > > > other > > > > > means ? thanks > > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > --- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > 40>, > > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please provide birth data of your friends so we > could > > > > > see how > > > > > > Jupiter's transit could have been that bad? I would like to > > > have > > > > > something > > > > > > specific to discuss, just being Taurus is very general, we > > > need to > > > > > know > > > > > > where all grahas are and their relationships. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope you are all well - 3 of my friends who are taurus > rashis > > > > > > > experienced job losses or major demotions during the > recent > > > move > > > > > of > > > > > > > jupiter into saggitarius (for them being the 8th house - > i > > > was > > > > > > > wondering if anyone has experienced something similar to > > > them?? > > > > > this > > > > > > > move of jupiter has affected the lives of a lot of > people i > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dear Rui Thanks for your response , no i have never actually studied systems approach so i am suprised at what you say....but i will look closely into it. The boy is my friend, he has been an accountant for the past 3 years. With regards to his jobs he has always managed to gain positions in his career of a high status (chartered accountant and then management accountant) but his salaries have never matched that of his profession which have foced him to quit the job and look elsewhere. In his d-10 chart mercury is found in the 10th house which could show this connection with accounts - i too have suggested a career in communication - perhaps writing.....although i really do not see him earning any regular income through conventional means. There is one thing further id like to ask - his fourth lord is situated in the 11th house of profit - could this mean he can profit through buying and selling of properties/cars ? I do not see any regular income for the boy....only proft/losses.. Id love to know ur opinion on the matter. Many thanks kind regards sorabh jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Dear Sorabh, > > Yes, this makes Venus vulnerable but it still is in Taurus (own sign) and > this helps Venus fight its vulnerability. > > Would it be correct for me to think you are strongly influenced by the > Systems Approach astrology propounded by V K Choudry? Your replies and > questions seem to echo some of the SA's principles, but I may be wrong. This > is not a criticism, just a question. > > Still regarding the loss of job, you should always look at the 10th house > and lord first. In the chart you mentioned, Mars (10th lord) is already > vulnerable in 3rd because of its conjunction with Saturn (8th lord of > death), now add this to the transit of debilitated Venus (triggered by the > Sun's period) and you will see how afflicted Mars becomes. > > I think you also asked " would u agree with me when i say this boy cannot > earn much through employment and should find some other means? " Would this > boy be you? Anyway to see what kind of career the native should have you > should look at where 10th lord is and at the Dasamsa chart. 10th lord is in > 3rd of writings and languages conjunct 8th lord, so I would suggest a > profession to do with languages (perhaps translations or those new computer > languages), something technical because of Mars but also to do with research > because of 8th lord Saturn. What job did the native have anyway? > > Best wishes, Rui. > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > > > Dear Rui > > > > Thank you for your clarifications - your insight and explanations > > have been most helpful. You say venus is strong in its house of > > taurus- but the degrees is just above zero - does this not make it > > weak ? an infant ? thanks > > > > regards > > sorabh > > > > -- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>, > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > In this chart, Venus and Mercury are considered to be functional > > malefics, > > > that means they will harm the grahas they conjoin with and/or the > > houses > > > they are placed in, but that does not mean they will act as > > malefics for > > > their own houses or significations. > > > > > > In this case, Venus seems to be strong in Taurus because it owns > > the sign. > > > The other significator for relationships and marital issues is > > Saturn > > > (another functional malefic for Cancer) and this is conjunct > > functional > > > benefic 5th lord Mars. > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > I like the way you have analysed the chart and explained the > > > > transit - it has really opened my eyes in the importance of > > transits > > > > from a different perspective. However i fail to see how venus > > acts > > > > as a malefic - i do not agree with the principle that just > > because > > > > the native is of a cancer ascendant that venus and mercury become > > > > malefics - they are both as you can see in good positions in the > > > > chart. If it really were true that for cancer lagna venus and > > > > mercury act as malefics then we would see more marital problems > > and > > > > problems with women would we not ? pls correct me if im wrong > > > > > > > > many thanks > > > > kind regards > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>, > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > Both transits and dashas are very important and the chart you > > have > > > > now given > > > > > is good example of that, but dashas and transits are just 2 > > > > factors of the > > > > > many you have to take into account. > > > > > > > > > > The nakshatra is another major factor and in this case when the > > > > native > > > > > started his Rahu/Sun period, Venus was transiting Mars > > > > (significator for > > > > > career, profession, honour, etc) in the Sun's nakshatra in > > Virgo. > > > > According > > > > > Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is malefic for > > > > Cancer and > > > > > in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is > > > > debiliated in > > > > > Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for showing an interest - actually i was coducting a > > test > > > > > > to see how views differ from al the users in this group - > > there > > > > are > > > > > > many astrologers i know that prefer to follow transits - i > > prefer > > > > > > following dasha periods. The date of birth of the individual > > is > > > > 20- > > > > > > 06-1982 , time 8.26am and born in greenwich london uk. Lagna > > > > should > > > > > > be cancer. If you look at his second house of daily income- > > the > > > > 2nd > > > > > > lord sun is in the 12th house of loss together being > > eclipsed by > > > > > > rahu. As soon as this rahu-sun dasha started this boy lost > > his > > > > job - > > > > > > i think it is the dasha that caused it rather than jupiters > > move > > > > to > > > > > > the 8th house - but i would love to know all your opinions > > as the > > > > > > loss of job has happened around the same time when jupiter > > moved > > > > and > > > > > > also when the dasha changed - butwhat is the main cause of > > job > > > > > > loss ? the dasha change ? .....would u agree with me when i > > say > > > > this > > > > > > boy cannot earn much through employment and should find some > > > > other > > > > > > means ? thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > > 40>, > > > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please provide birth data of your friends so we > > could > > > > > > see how > > > > > > > Jupiter's transit could have been that bad? I would like to > > > > have > > > > > > something > > > > > > > specific to discuss, just being Taurus is very general, we > > > > need to > > > > > > know > > > > > > > where all grahas are and their relationships. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope you are all well - 3 of my friends who are taurus > > rashis > > > > > > > > experienced job losses or major demotions during the > > recent > > > > move > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > jupiter into saggitarius (for them being the 8th house - > > i > > > > was > > > > > > > > wondering if anyone has experienced something similar to > > > > them?? > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > move of jupiter has affected the lives of a lot of > > people i > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dear Sorabh, I agree with you regarding gains through properties like vehicles and house because not only this native has 4th lord in 11h but also Jupiter in 4th. Jupiter is the natural karaka for the 11th house of gains. So there is some potential but I am just not sure this is the right time for such a venture. Would he consider market research? Best wishes, Rui. On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > Dear Rui > > Thanks for your response , no i have never actually studied systems > approach so i am suprised at what you say....but i will look closely > into it. The boy is my friend, he has been an accountant for the > past 3 years. With regards to his jobs he has always managed to gain > positions in his career of a high status (chartered accountant and > then management accountant) but his salaries have never matched that > of his profession which have foced him to quit the job and look > elsewhere. In his d-10 chart mercury is found in the 10th house > which could show this connection with accounts - i too have > suggested a career in communication - perhaps writing.....although i > really do not see him earning any regular income through > conventional means. There is one thing further id like to ask - his > fourth lord is situated in the 11th house of profit - could this > mean he can profit through buying and selling of properties/cars ? I > do not see any regular income for the boy....only proft/losses.. Id > love to know ur opinion on the matter. Many thanks > > kind regards > sorabh > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > Yes, this makes Venus vulnerable but it still is in Taurus (own > sign) and > > this helps Venus fight its vulnerability. > > > > Would it be correct for me to think you are strongly influenced by > the > > Systems Approach astrology propounded by V K Choudry? Your replies > and > > questions seem to echo some of the SA's principles, but I may be > wrong. This > > is not a criticism, just a question. > > > > Still regarding the loss of job, you should always look at the > 10th house > > and lord first. In the chart you mentioned, Mars (10th lord) is > already > > vulnerable in 3rd because of its conjunction with Saturn (8th lord > of > > death), now add this to the transit of debilitated Venus > (triggered by the > > Sun's period) and you will see how afflicted Mars becomes. > > > > I think you also asked " would u agree with me when i say this boy > cannot > > earn much through employment and should find some other means? " > Would this > > boy be you? Anyway to see what kind of career the native should > have you > > should look at where 10th lord is and at the Dasamsa chart. 10th > lord is in > > 3rd of writings and languages conjunct 8th lord, so I would > suggest a > > profession to do with languages (perhaps translations or those new > computer > > languages), something technical because of Mars but also to do > with research > > because of 8th lord Saturn. What job did the native have anyway? > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > Thank you for your clarifications - your insight and explanations > > > have been most helpful. You say venus is strong in its house of > > > taurus- but the degrees is just above zero - does this not make > it > > > weak ? an infant ? thanks > > > > > > regards > > > sorabh > > > > > > -- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40>, > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > In this chart, Venus and Mercury are considered to be > functional > > > malefics, > > > > that means they will harm the grahas they conjoin with and/or > the > > > houses > > > > they are placed in, but that does not mean they will act as > > > malefics for > > > > their own houses or significations. > > > > > > > > In this case, Venus seems to be strong in Taurus because it > owns > > > the sign. > > > > The other significator for relationships and marital issues is > > > Saturn > > > > (another functional malefic for Cancer) and this is conjunct > > > functional > > > > benefic 5th lord Mars. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > > > I like the way you have analysed the chart and explained the > > > > > transit - it has really opened my eyes in the importance of > > > transits > > > > > from a different perspective. However i fail to see how venus > > > acts > > > > > as a malefic - i do not agree with the principle that just > > > because > > > > > the native is of a cancer ascendant that venus and mercury > become > > > > > malefics - they are both as you can see in good positions in > the > > > > > chart. If it really were true that for cancer lagna venus and > > > > > mercury act as malefics then we would see more marital > problems > > > and > > > > > problems with women would we not ? pls correct me if im wrong > > > > > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > kind regards > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > --- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > 40>, > > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Both transits and dashas are very important and the chart > you > > > have > > > > > now given > > > > > > is good example of that, but dashas and transits are just 2 > > > > > factors of the > > > > > > many you have to take into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > The nakshatra is another major factor and in this case > when the > > > > > native > > > > > > started his Rahu/Sun period, Venus was transiting Mars > > > > > (significator for > > > > > > career, profession, honour, etc) in the Sun's nakshatra in > > > Virgo. > > > > > According > > > > > > Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is > malefic for > > > > > Cancer and > > > > > > in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is > > > > > debiliated in > > > > > > Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for showing an interest - actually i was > coducting a > > > test > > > > > > > to see how views differ from al the users in this group - > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > > many astrologers i know that prefer to follow transits - > i > > > prefer > > > > > > > following dasha periods. The date of birth of the > individual > > > is > > > > > 20- > > > > > > > 06-1982 , time 8.26am and born in greenwich london uk. > Lagna > > > > > should > > > > > > > be cancer. If you look at his second house of daily > income- > > > the > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > lord sun is in the 12th house of loss together being > > > eclipsed by > > > > > > > rahu. As soon as this rahu-sun dasha started this boy > lost > > > his > > > > > job - > > > > > > > i think it is the dasha that caused it rather than > jupiters > > > move > > > > > to > > > > > > > the 8th house - but i would love to know all your > opinions > > > as the > > > > > > > loss of job has happened around the same time when > jupiter > > > moved > > > > > and > > > > > > > also when the dasha changed - butwhat is the main cause > of > > > job > > > > > > > loss ? the dasha change ? .....would u agree with me > when i > > > say > > > > > this > > > > > > > boy cannot earn much through employment and should find > some > > > > > other > > > > > > > means ? thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > <jyotish-vidya% > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > > > 40>, > > > > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please provide birth data of your friends so > we > > > could > > > > > > > see how > > > > > > > > Jupiter's transit could have been that bad? I would > like to > > > > > have > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > specific to discuss, just being Taurus is very > general, we > > > > > need to > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > where all grahas are and their relationships. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope you are all well - 3 of my friends who are > taurus > > > rashis > > > > > > > > > experienced job losses or major demotions during the > > > recent > > > > > move > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > jupiter into saggitarius (for them being the 8th > house - > > > i > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > wondering if anyone has experienced something > similar to > > > > > them?? > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > move of jupiter has affected the lives of a lot of > > > people i > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dear Rui Those were my opinions too - precisely because jupiter is karka of gains but one thing which prevents me from suggesting this to him is that his 2nd lord (lord of second which is of income and accumulated wealth) is in 12th house of loss and eclipsed by rahu. I am worried if i suggest property dealings to him he might use his accumulated wealth and loose of all this ! lol i do not wish to be blamed for such a thing........but anyway going back to ur original question - he has done a maths degree and sutdied professional qualifications in accounts - i doubt he will undertake market research although its a good idea. thanks kind regards sorabh jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Dear Sorabh, > > I agree with you regarding gains through properties like vehicles and house > because not only this native has 4th lord in 11h but also Jupiter in 4th. > Jupiter is the natural karaka for the 11th house of gains. So there is some > potential but I am just not sure this is the right time for such a venture. > Would he consider market research? > > Best wishes, Rui. > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > > > Dear Rui > > > > Thanks for your response , no i have never actually studied systems > > approach so i am suprised at what you say....but i will look closely > > into it. The boy is my friend, he has been an accountant for the > > past 3 years. With regards to his jobs he has always managed to gain > > positions in his career of a high status (chartered accountant and > > then management accountant) but his salaries have never matched that > > of his profession which have foced him to quit the job and look > > elsewhere. In his d-10 chart mercury is found in the 10th house > > which could show this connection with accounts - i too have > > suggested a career in communication - perhaps writing.....although i > > really do not see him earning any regular income through > > conventional means. There is one thing further id like to ask - his > > fourth lord is situated in the 11th house of profit - could this > > mean he can profit through buying and selling of properties/cars ? I > > do not see any regular income for the boy....only proft/losses.. Id > > love to know ur opinion on the matter. Many thanks > > > > kind regards > > sorabh > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>, > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > Yes, this makes Venus vulnerable but it still is in Taurus (own > > sign) and > > > this helps Venus fight its vulnerability. > > > > > > Would it be correct for me to think you are strongly influenced by > > the > > > Systems Approach astrology propounded by V K Choudry? Your replies > > and > > > questions seem to echo some of the SA's principles, but I may be > > wrong. This > > > is not a criticism, just a question. > > > > > > Still regarding the loss of job, you should always look at the > > 10th house > > > and lord first. In the chart you mentioned, Mars (10th lord) is > > already > > > vulnerable in 3rd because of its conjunction with Saturn (8th lord > > of > > > death), now add this to the transit of debilitated Venus > > (triggered by the > > > Sun's period) and you will see how afflicted Mars becomes. > > > > > > I think you also asked " would u agree with me when i say this boy > > cannot > > > earn much through employment and should find some other means? " > > Would this > > > boy be you? Anyway to see what kind of career the native should > > have you > > > should look at where 10th lord is and at the Dasamsa chart. 10th > > lord is in > > > 3rd of writings and languages conjunct 8th lord, so I would > > suggest a > > > profession to do with languages (perhaps translations or those new > > computer > > > languages), something technical because of Mars but also to do > > with research > > > because of 8th lord Saturn. What job did the native have anyway? > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > Thank you for your clarifications - your insight and explanations > > > > have been most helpful. You say venus is strong in its house of > > > > taurus- but the degrees is just above zero - does this not make > > it > > > > weak ? an infant ? thanks > > > > > > > > regards > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > -- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>, > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > In this chart, Venus and Mercury are considered to be > > functional > > > > malefics, > > > > > that means they will harm the grahas they conjoin with and/or > > the > > > > houses > > > > > they are placed in, but that does not mean they will act as > > > > malefics for > > > > > their own houses or significations. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, Venus seems to be strong in Taurus because it > > owns > > > > the sign. > > > > > The other significator for relationships and marital issues is > > > > Saturn > > > > > (another functional malefic for Cancer) and this is conjunct > > > > functional > > > > > benefic 5th lord Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the way you have analysed the chart and explained the > > > > > > transit - it has really opened my eyes in the importance of > > > > transits > > > > > > from a different perspective. However i fail to see how venus > > > > acts > > > > > > as a malefic - i do not agree with the principle that just > > > > because > > > > > > the native is of a cancer ascendant that venus and mercury > > become > > > > > > malefics - they are both as you can see in good positions in > > the > > > > > > chart. If it really were true that for cancer lagna venus and > > > > > > mercury act as malefics then we would see more marital > > problems > > > > and > > > > > > problems with women would we not ? pls correct me if im wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > > 40>, > > > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both transits and dashas are very important and the chart > > you > > > > have > > > > > > now given > > > > > > > is good example of that, but dashas and transits are just 2 > > > > > > factors of the > > > > > > > many you have to take into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The nakshatra is another major factor and in this case > > when the > > > > > > native > > > > > > > started his Rahu/Sun period, Venus was transiting Mars > > > > > > (significator for > > > > > > > career, profession, honour, etc) in the Sun's nakshatra in > > > > Virgo. > > > > > > According > > > > > > > Parashara and traditional Vedic Astrology, Venus is > > malefic for > > > > > > Cancer and > > > > > > > in this instance Venus really is at its worst because it is > > > > > > debiliated in > > > > > > > Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for showing an interest - actually i was > > coducting a > > > > test > > > > > > > > to see how views differ from al the users in this group - > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > many astrologers i know that prefer to follow transits - > > i > > > > prefer > > > > > > > > following dasha periods. The date of birth of the > > individual > > > > is > > > > > > 20- > > > > > > > > 06-1982 , time 8.26am and born in greenwich london uk. > > Lagna > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be cancer. If you look at his second house of daily > > income- > > > > the > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > lord sun is in the 12th house of loss together being > > > > eclipsed by > > > > > > > > rahu. As soon as this rahu-sun dasha started this boy > > lost > > > > his > > > > > > job - > > > > > > > > i think it is the dasha that caused it rather than > > jupiters > > > > move > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the 8th house - but i would love to know all your > > opinions > > > > as the > > > > > > > > loss of job has happened around the same time when > > jupiter > > > > moved > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also when the dasha changed - butwhat is the main cause > > of > > > > job > > > > > > > > loss ? the dasha change ? .....would u agree with me > > when i > > > > say > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > boy cannot earn much through employment and should find > > some > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > means ? thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40> > > <jyotish-vidya% > > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > > > > 40>, > > > > > > > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please provide birth data of your friends so > > we > > > > could > > > > > > > > see how > > > > > > > > > Jupiter's transit could have been that bad? I would > > like to > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > specific to discuss, just being Taurus is very > > general, we > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > where all grahas are and their relationships. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/11/2007, mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope you are all well - 3 of my friends who are > > taurus > > > > rashis > > > > > > > > > > experienced job losses or major demotions during the > > > > recent > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > jupiter into saggitarius (for them being the 8th > > house - > > > > i > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > wondering if anyone has experienced something > > similar to > > > > > > them?? > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > move of jupiter has affected the lives of a lot of > > > > people i > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > > sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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