Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Muhammad Ali ------------------- Here is the picture. http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=1 Notice the roundness of the face! The moon and the water sign are responsible for Kapha. See the buildup of kapha this also creates strength and health. Bhanu Victor DiCara --------------------------- Here is the picture. http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=2 I will contribute my 1st Son, Bhanu Victor DiCara, a Cancer lagna. Notice the similarity in the faces.. Roundness, softness, beauty, puffiness. Marylin Monroe -------------------- Here is the picture: http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=3 I think this is the finest example of Cancer! ;-) Notice how beautiful and feminine everything is. So soft, round. Notice the similarities between all three faces and bodies in this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Dear Vic ji //// Marylin Monroe Here is the picture: http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=3 I think this is the finest example of Cancer! ;-) Notice how beautiful and feminine everything is. So soft, round. Notice the similarities between all three faces and bodies in this group. //// Soft and Round..!! Are you talking about the face? Face looks not so round She was beautiful, no doubt. Lot of ladies are. I was reading in Saravalli, that The Navamsha Lagna and the Navamsha Lagna Lord Dispositor has more say on exact physical features. This means the finer subdivision would have much more sway in actual characteristics. Probably matching the Lagna Nakshtra would give better co-relations. In leo (9 navamsha), mine is leo navamsha and my features are most accurately described by this Navamsha, 4 and 6th leo navamsha are not what describes minute features. Type of chest, stomach length, hair on body etc etc all match when checked from leo navamsha in leo. Kindly look into this. Om Namah Shivay RKM On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > Muhammad Ali > ------------------- > > Here is the picture. > http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=1 > > Notice the roundness of the face! The moon and the water sign are > responsible for Kapha. See the buildup of kapha this also creates > strength and health. > > Bhanu Victor DiCara > --------------------------- > > Here is the picture. > http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=2 > > I will contribute my 1st Son, Bhanu Victor DiCara, a Cancer lagna. > Notice the similarity in the faces.. Roundness, softness, beauty, > puffiness. > > Marylin Monroe > -------------------- > > Here is the picture: > http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=3 > > I think this is the finest example of Cancer! ;-) Notice how beautiful > and feminine everything is. So soft, round. Notice the similarities > between all three faces and bodies in this group. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 > //// > Marylin Monroe > Here is the picture: > http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=3 > > I think this is the finest example of Cancer! ;-) Notice how beautiful > and feminine everything is. So soft, round. Notice the similarities > between all three faces and bodies in this group. > //// > > Soft and Round..!! Are you talking about the face? > Face looks not so round > She was beautiful, no doubt. Lot of ladies are. I disagree! Her face was very soft and round - *perhaps* not by Indian standards but certainly by hollywood standards. > I was reading in Saravalli, that The Navamsha Lagna and the Navamsha > Lagna Lord Dispositor has more say on exact physical features. This > means the finer subdivision would have much more sway in actual > characteristics. In going through this exercise and in discussing offline with Smt. Sheevani I've come to the obvious conclusion that attempting to deduce the lagna from the appearance is a fun, but ultimately uninformed game. In Astrology there is never any SINGLE factor which wholly contributes to ANYTHING. The same is true with the physical appearance. I think that there may be 3 key factors.... planets, houses and signs. =) Note the lagna, note the position of each planet in relation to it, and then make a statement about the person. When I get a chance I will update my contributions on that basis. I would love for others to do the same, and to suggest other important considerations regarding appearance. RKM, you mentioned Saravali putting weight on the Navamsha. Could you point me to the correct place in the Saravali to read up on this? Yours Vic DiCara http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Vic, I prefer to call you Vic and not Vicji, because I find you affectionate. But this must not mean that i do not respect you your good knowledge at this age. When you first put up the request to the members for this excersise, you must have noticed why I did not participate. One reason was lack of time. The other was the reason you have just mentioned as below - //In going through this exercise and in discussing offline with Smt. Sheevani I've come to the obvious conclusion that attempting to deduce the lagna from the appearance is a fun, but ultimately uninformed game. In Astrology there is never any SINGLE factor which wholly contributes to ANYTHING. The same is true with the physical appearance.// We had actually done this excersise few years ago while studying Nakshatra astrology, and few of us students tried to guess the Lagna from the physical features of each other. It was a 50% success rate. Then my Guru told me that in todays times it is difficult to predict the Lagna from the features, because of so many cosmetic factors in vogue. When we find a Aries Lagna female with Mars in the Lagna, and are asked to judge how the female would be at first glance, our immediate answer may be, that she would be domineering, harsh, Rude or Bossy, or manly in features.But this may not actually be the case. Aries has 3 divisions of Nakshatras in the sign. Owned by Ketu, Venus and Sun. Suppose the ascendant Aries falls at 20 degrees, then this ascendant would fall in the nakshatra of Venus. Thus here you have the traits of Aries modified by the influence of Venus. The female now may be a Leader but feminine and charming, without the negatives supposedly guessed. If this same ascendant falls in 28degrees of Aries, then here you have a cause of concern, cause this division is ruledby The sun,again a fiery, odd, masculine planet. Then the result would be certainly manifest in the lady, which would best suit us to keep away from her. Same way, the planets in the Lagna, and influencing' the Lagna be checked. You have written - // I think that there may be 3 key factors.... planets, houses and signs // You may add, the constellation ruler of the Lagna, and also the constellational ruler of the Planet situated in the Lagna, to the above. The above may be for those who choose to believe this. I have done my part. This Forum is now turning to be the best for really scintillating absorbing discussions enforced by the Moderator and members over here, which forced me to participate in the discussion, though i am running short of time with many errands to finish. I appreciate this discussion board very much. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > > //// > > Marylin Monroe > > Here is the picture: > > http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e? b=3 > > > > I think this is the finest example of Cancer! ;-) Notice how beautiful > > and feminine everything is. So soft, round. Notice the similarities > > between all three faces and bodies in this group. > > //// > > > > Soft and Round..!! Are you talking about the face? > > Face looks not so round > > She was beautiful, no doubt. Lot of ladies are. > > I disagree! Her face was very soft and round - *perhaps* not by Indian > standards but certainly by hollywood standards. > > > I was reading in Saravalli, that The Navamsha Lagna and the Navamsha > > Lagna Lord Dispositor has more say on exact physical features. This > > means the finer subdivision would have much more sway in actual > > characteristics. > > In going through this exercise and in discussing offline with Smt. > Sheevani I've come to the obvious conclusion that attempting to deduce > the lagna from the appearance is a fun, but ultimately uninformed > game. In Astrology there is never any SINGLE factor which wholly > contributes to ANYTHING. The same is true with the physical appearance. > > I think that there may be 3 key factors.... planets, houses and signs. > =) > > Note the lagna, note the position of each planet in relation to it, > and then make a statement about the person. When I get a chance I will > update my contributions on that basis. > > I would love for others to do the same, and to suggest other important > considerations regarding appearance. > > RKM, you mentioned Saravali putting weight on the Navamsha. Could you > point me to the correct place in the Saravali to read up on this? > > Yours > Vic DiCara > http://www.vedicastrologer.net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Vic, As you might recall this thread began when I mentioned that Capricorn's tend to a have a unique distinguishing feature i.e. longish face or prominent jaw-line. I also said in a later mail that other signs were characterised by other features...not necessarily meant to imply (unique) facial features. For instance, one thing that comes to mind regarding Leo lagna is their hair. Like the Lion that represents their sign, their hair (mane) is often a feature that sets them apart from others...in one way or another. Regarding Marilyn Monroe; Rajeev said: //She was beautiful, no doubt. Lot of ladies are.// No doubt her beauty had an exceptional softness (vulnerability) that appealed to the masses. Parashara says about Moon, lord of Cancer; " She has auspicious looks and sweet speech. " A term I have often used for Moon is; " Fair maiden Moon " . Marilyn Monroe has lagnesh Moon aspecting lagna from sign of Saturn. Older members may remember discussions we had on the old group regarding Indira Gandhi's chart. Someone questioned the fact that she had Cancer rising due to the presence of Saturn in lagna...this person remarked that the influence of Saturn would make her much darker skinned than she was. Noting lagna lord Moon aspecting from 7th I coined the phrase; " Fair Maiden Moon " . Indira Gandhi was another who was blessed with great beauty. If my memory serves me we went on to discuss Sophia Loren's chart in connection with Saturn's influence on lagna and how it indicated a timeless beauty. I can't quite remember the conversation in detail now...it was a long time ago. BTW I have added Indira Gandi's photo. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:35 PM Re: Physical Traits of CANCER / KARKATA > //// > Marylin Monroe > Here is the picture: > http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=3 > > I think this is the finest example of Cancer! ;-) Notice how beautiful > and feminine everything is. So soft, round. Notice the similarities > between all three faces and bodies in this group. > //// > > Soft and Round..!! Are you talking about the face? > Face looks not so round > She was beautiful, no doubt. Lot of ladies are. I disagree! Her face was very soft and round - *perhaps* not by Indian standards but certainly by hollywood standards. > I was reading in Saravalli, that The Navamsha Lagna and the Navamsha > Lagna Lord Dispositor has more say on exact physical features. This > means the finer subdivision would have much more sway in actual > characteristics. In going through this exercise and in discussing offline with Smt. Sheevani I've come to the obvious conclusion that attempting to deduce the lagna from the appearance is a fun, but ultimately uninformed game. In Astrology there is never any SINGLE factor which wholly contributes to ANYTHING. The same is true with the physical appearance. I think that there may be 3 key factors.... planets, houses and signs. =) Note the lagna, note the position of each planet in relation to it, and then make a statement about the person. When I get a chance I will update my contributions on that basis. I would love for others to do the same, and to suggest other important considerations regarding appearance. RKM, you mentioned Saravali putting weight on the Navamsha. Could you point me to the correct place in the Saravali to read up on this? Yours Vic DiCara http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 The conclusion of this is that i would never ask my client, to give his photo to ascertain his Lagna or other details, but use astrology primarily for determining his Lagna, and no other external factors would be required even if his Lagna is placed at sandhi. Any true astrologer would have the results of his natives Life, on his own without having to refer the client on what happened when ? This may be asked on the Forums to save time, but actually is essentially not required by a true astriloger, who should be equipped enough to ascertain all about the native with his own equipments and ammunitions. Personally, I ask the natives to keep quiet , till I speak, when they come to me for consultations, and point out their problems to them, without their charts even, with the help of Prashna Lagna, and note these on a piece of paper and presnet them before they open their mouths. 8 out of 10 times I am succesfull, if not more in pointing out their problems to them, for which they have come to me for consultation. This may seem far faetched, but with a little practise, any good honest astrologer who is primarily interested in helping and servicing his client, can get in this groove perfectly. Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > I prefer to call you Vic and not Vicji, because > I find you affectionate. But this must not > mean that i do not respect you your good > knowledge at this age. > > When you first put up the > request to the members for this excersise, > you must have noticed why I did not participate. > One reason was lack of time. > The other was the reason you have > just mentioned as below - > > //In going through this exercise and in discussing offline with Smt. > Sheevani I've come to the obvious conclusion that attempting to deduce > the lagna from the appearance is a fun, but ultimately uninformed > game. In Astrology there is never any SINGLE factor which wholly > contributes to ANYTHING. The same is true with the physical > appearance.// > > We had actually done this excersise few years ago > while studying Nakshatra astrology, and few of us > students tried to guess the Lagna from the physical > features of each other. It was a 50% success rate. > Then my Guru told me that in todays times it is difficult > to predict the Lagna from the features, because > of so many cosmetic factors in vogue. > > When we find a Aries Lagna female with > Mars in the Lagna, and are asked to judge how > the female would be at first glance, > our immediate answer may be, that she would > be domineering, harsh, Rude or Bossy, or manly > in features.But this may not actually be the case. > Aries has 3 divisions of Nakshatras in the sign. > Owned by Ketu, Venus and Sun. Suppose the ascendant > Aries falls at 20 degrees, then this ascendant would > fall in the nakshatra of Venus. Thus here you have > the traits of Aries modified by the influence of > Venus. The female now may be a Leader but feminine > and charming, without the negatives supposedly > guessed. If this same ascendant falls in 28degrees > of Aries, then here you have a cause of concern, > cause this division is ruledby The sun,again a fiery, > odd, masculine planet. Then the result would be > certainly manifest in the lady, which would best > suit us to keep away from her. > Same way, the planets in the Lagna, and influencing' > the Lagna be checked. > > You have written - > > // I think that there may be 3 key factors.... planets, > houses and signs // > > You may add, the constellation ruler of the > Lagna, and also the constellational > ruler of the Planet situated in the Lagna, > to the above. > > The above may be for those who choose to > believe this. I have done my part. > > This Forum is now turning to be the best > for really scintillating absorbing discussions > enforced by the Moderator and members > over here, which forced me to participate in > the discussion, though i am running short of > time with many errands to finish. > I appreciate this discussion board very much. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > //// > > > Marylin Monroe > > > Here is the picture: > > > http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e? > b=3 > > > > > > I think this is the finest example of Cancer! ;-) Notice how > beautiful > > > and feminine everything is. So soft, round. Notice the > similarities > > > between all three faces and bodies in this group. > > > //// > > > > > > Soft and Round..!! Are you talking about the face? > > > Face looks not so round > > > She was beautiful, no doubt. Lot of ladies are. > > > > I disagree! Her face was very soft and round - *perhaps* not by > Indian > > standards but certainly by hollywood standards. > > > > > I was reading in Saravalli, that The Navamsha Lagna and the > Navamsha > > > Lagna Lord Dispositor has more say on exact physical features. > This > > > means the finer subdivision would have much more sway in actual > > > characteristics. > > > > In going through this exercise and in discussing offline with Smt. > > Sheevani I've come to the obvious conclusion that attempting to > deduce > > the lagna from the appearance is a fun, but ultimately uninformed > > game. In Astrology there is never any SINGLE factor which wholly > > contributes to ANYTHING. The same is true with the physical > appearance. > > > > I think that there may be 3 key factors.... planets, houses and > signs. > > =) > > > > Note the lagna, note the position of each planet in relation to > it, > > and then make a statement about the person. When I get a chance I > will > > update my contributions on that basis. > > > > I would love for others to do the same, and to suggest other > important > > considerations regarding appearance. > > > > RKM, you mentioned Saravali putting weight on the Navamsha. Could > you > > point me to the correct place in the Saravali to read up on this? > > > > Yours > > Vic DiCara > > http://www.vedicastrologer.net > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Vic ji Ch. 51. Effects Of Navâñúas from Saravalli. Om Namah Shivay RKM On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > //// > > Marylin Monroe > > Here is the picture: > > http://ph.jyotish-vidya/photos/view/cc6e?b=3 > > > > I think this is the finest example of Cancer! ;-) Notice how beautiful > > and feminine everything is. So soft, round. Notice the similarities > > between all three faces and bodies in this group. > > //// > > > > Soft and Round..!! Are you talking about the face? > > Face looks not so round > > She was beautiful, no doubt. Lot of ladies are. > > I disagree! Her face was very soft and round - *perhaps* not by Indian > standards but certainly by hollywood standards. > > > I was reading in Saravalli, that The Navamsha Lagna and the Navamsha > > Lagna Lord Dispositor has more say on exact physical features. This > > means the finer subdivision would have much more sway in actual > > characteristics. > > In going through this exercise and in discussing offline with Smt. > Sheevani I've come to the obvious conclusion that attempting to deduce > the lagna from the appearance is a fun, but ultimately uninformed > game. In Astrology there is never any SINGLE factor which wholly > contributes to ANYTHING. The same is true with the physical appearance. > > I think that there may be 3 key factors.... planets, houses and signs. > =) > > Note the lagna, note the position of each planet in relation to it, > and then make a statement about the person. When I get a chance I will > update my contributions on that basis. > > I would love for others to do the same, and to suggest other important > considerations regarding appearance. > > RKM, you mentioned Saravali putting weight on the Navamsha. Could you > point me to the correct place in the Saravali to read up on this? > > Yours > Vic DiCara > http://www.vedicastrologer.net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Dear Vic, Rajeev and All, If I may be permitted to comment on the chapter in Saravali related to the effects of navamsha :-) As we know lagna represents our empirical self, our innate nature, general welfare, temperament, social standing and so forth.. This tells us clearly that there are many facets to our self...shown in more detail by considering ALL the influences on lagna i.e. rising nakshatra, decanate, navamsha etc, etc.. This does NOT mean that we judge lagna exclusively from navamsha (as some would have) or from any of the other tools we employ to focus more deeply on the complexities within each bhava (or area of life). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " RKM " <rajeevmundra <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:16 AM Re: Physical Traits of CANCER / KARKATA Dear Vic ji Ch. 51. Effects Of Navâñúas from Saravalli. Om Namah Shivay RKM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Mrs.Wendy, Very true. The Navamsha Lagna, talking with reference to the qualities of the person and his charactersistics and nature, would only add, or diminish to the qualities engraven at birth as seen through his natal chart. For example a Leo lagna with same Navamsa ( Vargotamma Lagna )would tend to accentuate and firmly plant the charactersistics of Leo sign, as seen in the individual. Or a Gemini lagna with Libra navamsha would reconfirm the airy qualities or his being on the intelligent imaginary planes, rather than the practical down to earth earthy types, but in this case would give a justice bent in his imaginations due to the influence of the Navamsha falling in Libra, symbolically revealed by a Scale of justice, and may remove some of the Jekyl and Hyde temperaments which a Geminian would normally possess. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, Rajeev and All, > > If I may be permitted to comment on the chapter in Saravali related to > the effects of navamsha :-) > > As we know lagna represents our empirical self, our innate nature, > general welfare, temperament, social standing and so forth.. This tells > us clearly that there are many facets to our self...shown in more detail > by considering ALL the influences on lagna i.e. rising nakshatra, > decanate, navamsha etc, etc.. > > This does NOT mean that we judge lagna exclusively from navamsha (as some > would have) or from any of the other tools we employ to focus more deeply > on the complexities within each bhava (or area of life). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " RKM " <rajeevmundra > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:16 AM > Re: Physical Traits of CANCER / KARKATA > > > Dear Vic ji > > Ch. 51. Effects Of Navâñúas from Saravalli. > > Om Namah Shivay > RKM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Thank you Mrs. Wendy and Bhaskar-ji for your comments on the physical effects of Navamsha lagna, etc. on the consideration of the ascendant for physical attributes. They were very insightful. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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