Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 In a situation where the final dispositor ends in Vargottama, eg. Me in Ar, Mar in Aq, Sa in Sg, Ju in Li, and Ve in Pi. Venus and Jupiter are in Vargottama. In this situation, which planet will be the final dispositor for Mercury? Venus or Jupiter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I believe this was intended for the jyotishvidya group and got sent to me by the email option accidentally by Mr, Bhaskar. - " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish " jyotishi " <jyotishi Friday, February 01, 2008 3:07 PM Re: Final Dispositor in Vargottama Dear all, Most of the work including the work by the Westerners in last 200 years has been copied from the Indian astology works,is commmon knowledge. The westerners have expanded the character generalisations is appreciable contribution. But the predictive part has been missing. Whether MC jain has copied or not,this statemnet has to be supported by facts and authenticity, and not just by hearsay. There is no doubt that the Parashar Vedic Astrology has been the source for all this copying and pasting, whether from the Indians or the Westerners. Period. Therefore, let us not comment on any individual and focus on learning and sharing. rgrds/Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi wrote: > > Hi Wendy, > > I think Rick Houk was very taken by M.C. Jain as he mentioned him quite a bit in his article in the 36 Teachers series that came out in 90s (the Charubel -- degrees of zodiac simplified approach of MC Jain) and I think I read some posts in Finn Wandahl's posts that someone sent me from an archieved jyotish proto-list. > > And absolutely! Final dispositor does not have to be only the planet that is in own sign! We have recently seen an example here where there was a loop at the end -- such as would be the case if jupiter were in libra and venus in pisces as final dispositors! Interestingly, they remind me not as the spear-point that some think a final dispositor is, but more like a lasoo or more morbidly the final noose ;-) > > Please pardon my levity, I know I am in the presence of senior and serious company and must behave! > - > Wendy Vasicek > jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:50 AM > Re: Re: Final Dispositor in Vargottama > > > Dear Manas, > > Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the work of Jain, except for some > critical comments I've read that say the bulk of his work was not his own > but copied from other sources such as Isadore Kozminsky, Raphael, Mohan > Koparkar etc.. I personally cannot comment on this, of course, not having > read any of his books. > However, I do know that the sages themselves have given us adequate > guidelines regarding the use of dispositors. Yogas such as Parvata, Kakala, > Parijatha, Kalpadruma, Mridanga etc being clear examples. See BPHS below... > > 33-34. KALPADRUMA YOGA: > http://jyotishvidya.com/ch36.htm > *Note the following four planets: a) the ascendant lord, b) the dispositor > of the ascendant lord, c) the dispositor of the planet at " b " , d) the > Navamsa dispositor of the planet at " c " . > If all these are disposed in angles and trines from the ascendant, or be > exalted, Kalpadruma yoga exists. One with this yoga will be endowed with all > kinds of wealth, be a king, pious, strong, fond of war, and merciful.* > > Just from this yoga alone, which incorporates the dispositor of ascendant > lord's dispositor etc; we can logically follow the same principle in regards > to other house lords. > > In Ernst Wilhelm's 'Core Yogas' we read: > *The first four dispositor yogas given: Parvata Yoga, Kahala Yoga, > Parijatha Yoga, and Kalpadruma Yoga are all centered on the lagna > lord, therefore, they further the native in life. The principles > illustrated by these four yogas, however, may be extended to other > house lords as well; these other houses being furthered and a benefit > to the native in the event that their lord's dispositors are well situated > as illustrated by these yogas.* > > I think it would be wrong therefore to claim this to be a (new) theory put > forward by any modern author. Perhaps Jain has been responsible for > popularising/modernising this principle, but not, I feel, for developing the > principle/theory itself. You've mentioned Jain several times here. Can you > tell me what impresses you about his work? > > ///The final dispositor, one planet control theory refers to the planet > which is one in own sign and ends up being the last planet in the dispositor > counting./// > > It can be of course that there is not one final dispositor. I was looking at > a tentative chart for Heath Ledger, the actor who died recently at the age > of 28. In this chart, JU is final dispositor of all except MO & ME who are > their own final dispositor...neither of which occupy their own sign... > In fact no planet occupies own sign in this chart (including Jupiter). > > Comments welcome :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " Jyotish Volunteers " <jyotishi > <jyotish-vidya > > Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:11 PM > Re: Final Dispositor in Vargottama > > The final dispositor, one planet control theory (MC Jain, unless I am > remembering wrongly) refers to the planet which is one in own sign > and ends up being the last planet in the dispositor counting. In your > example Venus. If it is vargottama (or other significant roles such > as atmakaraka or lagnesha, dashamesha etc) that gives it additional > attributes but even without those it remains the final dispositor. > > It is good to have the final dispositor strong and benefic on several > counts, since it is carrying a lot of responsibility. A weak final > dispositor, logically would represent problems. Just being in own > sign, is not enough to make a planet strong and beneficial. > > A vargottama planet is more transparent. Since it is sattwika. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, Assuming you (also) intended to send this to the group but sent it to my personal mailbox in error, I'm forwarding it on to the group on your behalf. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya Monday, February 04, 2008 3:58 AM Re: Fw: Final Dispositor in Vargottama Dear mrs. Wendy, Yes. Mercury is the little prince who would behave well with a eldery man beside him, and behave naughty with a Mischievous planet with him. If alone, it is natural, showing all colours available, wit, humour, sarcasm, at other times diplomatic and at some times most calculating. rgrd/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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