Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dear Vic, Yes you are right. This must not be left unsaid, because new students may just apply placements without reckoning other matters. Just like a Sun and Mars in the 10th does not produce a Doctor everytime, so would not Jupiter being just Retro, make a person alcoholic. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear All, > > I would like to note that I have recently done charts for two people > Virgo rising, retrograde Jupiter in the 4th House (Saggitarius). These > people are the *opposite* of alcoholics. They are life-long > " Straightedge " - no alcohol in the entire life. > > What should go without saying should never be left unsaid... A single > indicator alone is *never* enough to make a final determination. > Consider this: > > Retrograde Jupiter in the two charts I mentioned, is in his > Moolontrikona. Therefore he is very strong and not prone to frivolity. > Thus retrograde Jupiter always involves alcohol and intoxicants, but in > this case, it involves and strong inclination NOT to indulge. > > Smt. Sheevani posted two other persons: one was retrograde Jupiter in > Pisces. Pisces is a sign associated with intoxication *very* strongly. > It is Jupiter's home, not his office (mool-tri), therefore pisces > water/intoxication in the relaxed home and retrograde, creates very > strong energy towards the use of alcohol. > > Her second example is one with retro Jupiter who has never touched > alcohol. Some things to note, it is not in a sign associated with > intoxication, but a sign associated with emotions. it is in an upachara > house. > > Now I have a question for Bhaskar and others (since B. put forth the > idea, if I'm not mistaken)... What is it about Jupiter that makes him > being retrograde signify something about indulgence in alcohol? Would it > not be better to say a general lack of morality? > > However that too has to be seen in context of the rest of the chart. > > To my mind, Rahu and Ketu are the biggest indicators of compulsive drug > and alcohol abuse. Ketu conjunct with the moon, for example gives > compulsive, secretive personalities that very easily fall prey to > addictions. (don't forget the Chandra / Soma connection) > > So, I can see ® Jupiter as a weakness or tendancy to immorality - but > for determining the mode in which that immorality manifests, we must > consult signs, houses, and influences from neighboring planets. > > Yours, > Vic > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear friends, At the outset, " the views on retrograde planets are not mine, repeat, are not mine, those were of R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of Astrology. My contribution in that was " cut and paste " in the browser and posted it in the Group to pave a ground for discussion. Simply I posted does not necessarily mean, I follow his views fully. He himself wrote in the article, " these are my views " , readers can use them judiciously in their chart analysis. Secondly, Mrs. Sheevani, mentioned the retrograde Jupiter and how Jupiter behaves respectively, in those two charts. Mr. Bhaskar, expressed his views of retrograde Jupiter and its behaviour vis-à-vis drinking habits. Mr. Vic shown certain examples in which how retrogrades behave. In my chart both the acharyas, the Jupiter and Venus are retrograde. Jupiter is with Rahu and is in the constellation of Rahu. I don't drink. But my observation, repeat my observation, is that Venus ® is making more mischief in a chart and gives the tendency (leaning) towards drinking. I have retrograde Venus. Still I don't drink. There is enough protection in my chart, not to fall prey to his tactics. My point is that these retrograde benefics do not give protection in adverse periods and makes you susceptible or tempt to indulge in a path which may not be palatable to your family or your traditions. Your family has set some values and moral standards; the retrograde Jupiter tempts you to go away from those standards or to act in such manner that does not palatable for your family and your traditions. If other factors in the chart protecting or supporting one does not fall to temptations. In Rahu major period I was fully prone (temptations) to drinking but I never crossed the line. I did taste liquor once or twice. I was in such a situation, the friends and my new acquaintances, the hostel mates in the college, away from your family elders and their clutches and the independence which the hostel room offers etc… Till a particular time, I even used to hate those who are drinking and are very near and dear to me. I posted a chart in the year 2000, in this Group, which belong to my brother-in-law, he died simply because drinking. Mrs. Wendy may recall, and one Group Member, Mr. Nicholas (may be I am typing his name in correctly) analyzed the chart very beautifully since that chart pertains to my sister's husband and I did not want to do that personally. In that chart, neither Jupiter is retrograde nor does Venus retrograde. Why Venus retrograde may tempt you towards drinking? There are enough clues available in 18 major Puranas and the Upa Puranas, one may use them profitably in the chart readings. Sukracharya, the guru of Asuras was fond of drinking….the daughter of Sukracharya falls in love with the son of Pragaspati who came to learn the vidya of Sanjeevini, from Sukracharya, which the Pragaspati the guru of Devas do not know. In order to prevent the knowledge goes to the other camp, Asuras killed the son of Pragaspati, more than one occasions, taking resort to the habit of drinking of their guru. The Sukracharya was torn between the passion of his daughter and duty towards to his Masters. Ultimately Sukracharya instructs the mortals do not indulge in drinking and else you will have to face the music in your world duties. I am the foremost example, he tells. Retrogression is such a status that if benefics acquire that, it is difficult to stamp them they would behave in this way or that way. Whether Jupiter (R ) or Venus ®, let us not stamp them they would certainly gives the habit of drinking. Compare this situation with the dignity of Venus for Leo lagna. The 10th lord exalted in the 8th house who is not retrograde. He becomes malefic since he owns the most powerful Kendra and a trisadaya . This dosha has to manifest as well as the dignity. The indication is clear that the professional instability. There would be sudden changes. But whenever change happens, the change would be better than that of the previous position. What could be the possible reasons for change? The Saturn narrates the story further. The tenth house receives the aspect of malefic sixth lord. The quarrels and disputes and resultant changes takes place suddenly in the tenth house activities. The gains had to stop. Jupiter the 8th lord is in 11th house of gains. Jupiter in 11th aspecting the 5th house of professional falls. Jupiter is in the constellation of Rahu, Rahu is placed in 10th. Jupiter is the 12th lord of losses from Moon and placed in 6th. In Jupiter/Venus, Shri Deepak Sharma has to witness all these drama. It is becoming lengthy… I have to stop. You can, with some confidence and certainty predict normal planets but if they are retrograde …. be careful… Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Mrs.Wendy, The blessings and benevolence of Jupiter finally flowed over you, and I hope the sequence and culmination of this flow and intoxication you witnessed finally, behoves in same manner for most of us who are struggling to get out of irregular habits and wishing to get into the most fascinating intoxication - Meditation. Just as God was with You, may He be so, with all of us, when we are fighting with ourselves to get better and better and worthier and worthier to gain His Love. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani and All, > > As with all habitual behaviour it has to start somewhere (and) from an > astrological perspective there needs to be some support from other > planets. I believe that no planet, retrograde or otherwise, can be wholly > solely responsible for certain behaviours. > > As enough years have passed for it to no longer be of any concern, I can > recall quite dispassionately a time when alcohol played a big part in my > life. During the 60's - 70's...from 1967 on (mainly) if my memory serves > me; my then husband and I led a very full social life...frequent cocktail > parties, dinners etc., where alcohol flowed freely. Nothing was thought > of this until (for me) the alcohol and sleeping tablets (prescribed by > doctor) developed into a serious habitual problem. I can't begin to > describe the nightmare of getting off these. I spent a long time in and > out of private hospitals in an effort to wean me off them, until > eventually I realised that the only person who could do it was > me...doctors were of no help at all, they just kept putting me on other > medication. > > I went 'cold turkey' (as they say) and there were times I truly thought I > would die, it was so hard. But eventually I came out the other side, free > from the (drug) addiction. The dasa period during that time was > Jupiter/Venus. Jupiter owns 12th house of intoxication and, of course, > retrograde Venus is badly afflicted in 8th. I doubt very much if Venus > would have initiated this without the help of Jupiter. > > Although I overcame the drug addiction, alcohol remained a fairly big > part of my life...until Rahu bhukti (in Jupiter dasa) when I moved to > Africa and found another intoxicant...meditation! My guru came into my > life and I discovered my " Self " . This too came as a blessing from > Jupiter, but I had to go through a lot before he brought me to this > point. > Jai Guru Dev! > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " ravindramani " <ravindramani > <jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:12 PM > Re: Retrograde Jupiter and Alcoholism > > > Dear friends, > > At the outset, " the views on retrograde planets are not mine, repeat, > are not mine, those were of R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > Astrology. My contribution in that was " cut and paste " in the > browser and posted it in the Group to pave a ground for discussion. > Simply I posted does not necessarily mean, I follow his views fully. > He himself wrote in the article, " these are my views " , readers can > use them judiciously in their chart analysis. > > Secondly, Mrs. Sheevani, mentioned the retrograde Jupiter and how > Jupiter behaves respectively, in those two charts. Mr. Bhaskar, > expressed his views of retrograde Jupiter and its behaviour vis-à- vis > drinking habits. Mr. Vic shown certain examples in which how > retrogrades behave. In my chart both the acharyas, the Jupiter and > Venus are retrograde. Jupiter is with Rahu and is in the > constellation of Rahu. I don't drink. But my observation, repeat my > observation, is that Venus ® is making more mischief in a chart and > gives the tendency (leaning) towards drinking. I have retrograde > Venus. Still I don't drink. There is enough protection in my chart, > not to fall prey to his tactics. > > My point is that these retrograde benefics do not give protection in > adverse periods and makes you susceptible or tempt to indulge in a > path which may not be palatable to your family or your traditions. > Your family has set some values and moral standards; the retrograde > Jupiter tempts you to go away from those standards or to act in such > manner that does not palatable for your family and your traditions. > If other factors in the chart protecting or supporting one does not > fall to temptations. In Rahu major period I was fully prone > (temptations) to drinking but I never crossed the line. I did taste > liquor once or twice. I was in such a situation, the friends and my > new acquaintances, the hostel mates in the college, away from your > family elders and their clutches and the independence which the > hostel room offers etc. > > Till a particular time, I even used to hate those who are drinking > and are very near and dear to me. I posted a chart in the year 2000, > in this Group, which belong to my brother-in-law, he died simply > because drinking. Mrs. Wendy may recall, and one Group Member, Mr. > Nicholas (may be I am typing his name in correctly) analyzed the > chart very beautifully since that chart pertains to my sister's > husband and I did not want to do that personally. In that chart, > neither Jupiter is retrograde nor does Venus retrograde. > > Why Venus retrograde may tempt you towards drinking? There are > enough clues available in 18 major Puranas and the Upa Puranas, one > may use them profitably in the chart readings. Sukracharya, the guru > of Asuras was fond of drinking..the daughter of Sukracharya falls in > love with the son of Pragaspati who came to learn the vidya of > Sanjeevini, from Sukracharya, which the Pragaspati the guru of Devas > do not know. In order to prevent the knowledge goes to the other > camp, Asuras killed the son of Pragaspati, more than one occasions, > taking resort to the habit of drinking of their guru. The > Sukracharya was torn between the passion of his daughter and duty > towards to his Masters. Ultimately Sukracharya instructs the mortals > do not indulge in drinking and else you will have to face the music > in your world duties. I am the foremost example, he tells. > Retrogression is such a status that if benefics acquire that, it is > difficult to stamp them they would behave in this way or that way. > Whether Jupiter (R ) or Venus ®, let us not stamp them they would > certainly gives the habit of drinking. > > Compare this situation with the dignity of Venus for Leo lagna. The > 10th lord exalted in the 8th house who is not retrograde. He becomes > malefic since he owns the most powerful Kendra and a trisadaya . > This dosha has to manifest as well as the dignity. The indication is > clear that the professional instability. There would be sudden > changes. But whenever change happens, the change would be better than > that of the previous position. What could be the possible reasons for > change? The Saturn narrates the story further. The tenth house > receives the aspect of malefic sixth lord. The quarrels and disputes > and resultant changes takes place suddenly in the tenth house > activities. The gains had to stop. Jupiter the 8th lord is in 11th > house of gains. Jupiter in 11th aspecting the 5th house of > professional falls. Jupiter is in the constellation of Rahu, Rahu is > placed in 10th. Jupiter is the 12th lord of losses from Moon and > placed in 6th. In Jupiter/Venus, Shri Deepak Sharma has to witness > all these drama. > > It is becoming lengthy. I have to stop. You can, with some > confidence and certainty predict normal planets but if they are > retrograde .. be careful. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Wendy ji, Since many years have passed since you and me were addicted to alcohol, let me say this first--I'm so pleased and proud that you and me have so much in common! :-) Regarding your addiction of meditation--I feel that the 12th, like any other house, has " lower " and " higher " energies. The lower energies deal probably with addiction, while the higher energies deal with meditation--after all, the 12th is the highest house of transcendence, and the greatest of the three Moksha bhavas. And in your case, it is interesting to note that Rahu--who is known for his monkish one-pointedness--will no doubt ensure (as you pointed out while commenting on my article " Rahu's Advocate " ) that your desire for liberation never goes down. And finally, at the risk of repeating myself--all this was made possible because, among other things, 9th lord is strongly placed in the 9th itself. This shows that you will always have God's grace. BTW, if I may make a comparision between you and me--you have Guru as 12th lord, I have Sani in 12th. While you drank at parties, I always drank alone. I loved music and contemplation and programming while drinking--see how the " hail fellow well met " ebullience of Guru contrasts so sharply with the solitary nature of Swati Ucchan! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear friends, Most of us have the common traits which most humans must necessarily possess, otherwise would we not have been enjoying the heavens as Angels, as of now,instead of being born as humans ? The revelations which we are reading now, form the people who are part of a elite group who have no pretensions in mouthing out their addictions through which they have suffered. The rest are also into some form of addictions or the other, but they choose to remain silent. These revelations teach us few things, one is that we must learn from the mistakes from others, the other lesson is, that we have a ideal now in front of us, who have been through this self struggle and shedding of the negative traits in ones persona and way of living, and have now come out unscathed and formed the part of another very exclusive group, who are the ones nearest to the Maker-Creator-God-Lord-Bhagwaan, by involving themselves in regular meditations, and regular introspection, at the end of each day. This elite group which has survived through its inner struggle to fight out and win over its non conformity habits, and now into meditation, give us a great lesson and also give us a Masters/Masters who beome our idols and their way of living at present, become, or must become our ideals to persue upon. Because no one nows when the station would come and when we have to get down. So the sooner we live up to these ideals, the lesser work we may have in the next journey of Life, we may be a part of. Mrs.Wendy, I also ask you forgiveness for the hurt I may have caused you in the last fortnight, and I believe that I may have a place in your lap, now a erstwhile erratic child, on his way to becoming a lovable child of his mother. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Wendy ji, > > Since many years have passed since you and me were addicted to alcohol, let me say this first--I'm so pleased and proud that you and me have so much in common! :-) > > Regarding your addiction of meditation--I feel that the 12th, like any other house, has " lower " and " higher " energies. The lower energies deal probably with addiction, while the higher energies deal with meditation--after all, the 12th is the highest house of transcendence, and the greatest of the three Moksha bhavas. > > And in your case, it is interesting to note that Rahu--who is known for his monkish one-pointedness--will no doubt ensure (as you pointed out while commenting on my article " Rahu's Advocate " ) that your desire for liberation never goes down. > > And finally, at the risk of repeating myself--all this was made possible because, among other things, 9th lord is strongly placed in the 9th itself. This shows that you will always have God's grace. > > BTW, if I may make a comparision between you and me--you have Guru as 12th lord, I have Sani in 12th. While you drank at parties, I always drank alone. I loved music and contemplation and programming while drinking--see how the " hail fellow well met " ebullience of Guru contrasts so sharply with the solitary nature of Swati Ucchan! :- ) > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Rajeevji, You are absolute right. The native will love the astrologer for such advices. My clients do love me. The nature of meditation which one can do whether short,in breaks or starts, on intensely, may depend on his 5th house, in a individual chart, but to do it, would depend on the 10th, for this is governed by the 10th house, over which i would say, that one does have some say. Karma to do is in ones hands. Meditation as you said has the power to mitigate the negative influence of the planets which are but the milestones of our Karmas , past and present. This has been aptly described by Paramhansa Yoganandji in his Book " Autobiography of a Yogi " wherein he has given the power of Hong Sau technique of meditation as well as the Kriya Yoga. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > One line from a great Swami goes like this > " 100 hr of discussing something is equal to 1 hr of reading gita or such > books > and 100 hrs of reading gita is equal to 1 hr of good meditation " . > > > > Another line which is now almost a part of me is that, > every human body has to go through endless cycles of dramas since > " humans seldom learn " (one of my punch lines!! very applicable in stock mkt > also) > > > Meditation enables the mind to settle down and see what is going on and > sometimes enables to come out of the loop. > > > One thing every astrologer should say to every client after making a very > serious face: > " If you meditate 30 mins daily, many weakness of your chart will reduce and > strengths will improve " > ...he cant go wrong on this one..!! > the client will love the astrologer (if not for astro advice) then atleast > for the meditation advice. > > > I may have made it look like a joke, but nothing is more valuable then good > 30 mins of quite & deep meditation. > Also far too many people talk about meditation, but very few do it and out > of that very very few actually go deep enough to call it meditation. > > > Some Buddhist monks are able to completely visualize their diety murti in > their mind with eyes closed. > They can look at a muti for 5 mins and then close their eyes and describe > any microscopic detail about the murti u can ask them. Try it. Its far from > being easy. > > > I also believe that, it is the nature of planets or mother nature to hinder > such development of meditative nature, > since when meditative nature becomes strong the planets loose their effects. > > Once deeply meditative mind and soul ceases to dance to tune of planets. > > > In this regard, Vic, I love your focus on using astro to turn people to > krishna. > Its a gift few (can) have. May you live as long as Hanuman. > > > Regards > Rajeev > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > Most of us have the common traits which most > > humans must necessarily possess, otherwise > > would we not have been enjoying the > > heavens as Angels, as of now,instead of being > > born as humans ? The revelations which we are > > reading now, form the people who are part of > > a elite group who have no pretensions in mouthing > > out their addictions through which they have > > suffered. The rest are also into some form > > of addictions or the other, but they choose to > > remain silent. > > > > These revelations teach us few things, one is that > > we must learn from the mistakes from others, the other > > lesson is, that we have a ideal now in front of us, > > who have been through this self struggle > > and shedding of the negative traits in ones > > persona and way of living, and > > have now come out unscathed and formed the part of > > another very exclusive group, who are the ones > > nearest to the Maker-Creator-God-Lord-Bhagwaan, > > by involving themselves in regular meditations, > > and regular introspection, at the end of each day. > > > > This elite group which has survived > > through its inner struggle to fight > > out and win over its non conformity habits, > > and now into meditation, give us a great > > lesson and also give us a Masters/Masters > > who beome our idols and their way of > > living at present, become, or must become our > > ideals to persue upon. > > > > Because no one nows when the station would come > > and when we have to get down. So the sooner > > we live up to these ideals, the lesser work > > we may have in the next journey of > > Life, we may be a part of. > > > > Mrs.Wendy, I also ask you forgiveness for the > > hurt I may have caused you in the last fortnight, > > and I believe that I may have a place in your lap, > > now a erstwhile erratic child, on his > > way to becoming a lovable child of his mother. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>, > > Balaji Narasimhan > > <sherlockbalaji@> wrote: > > > > > > Wendy ji, > > > > > > Since many years have passed since you and me were addicted to > > alcohol, let me say this first--I'm so pleased and proud that you and > > me have so much in common! :-) > > > > > > Regarding your addiction of meditation--I feel that the 12th, like > > any other house, has " lower " and " higher " energies. The lower > > energies deal probably with addiction, while the higher energies deal > > with meditation--after all, the 12th is the highest house of > > transcendence, and the greatest of the three Moksha bhavas. > > > > > > And in your case, it is interesting to note that Rahu--who is known > > for his monkish one-pointedness--will no doubt ensure (as you pointed > > out while commenting on my article " Rahu's Advocate " ) that your > > desire for liberation never goes down. > > > > > > And finally, at the risk of repeating myself--all this was made > > possible because, among other things, 9th lord is strongly placed in > > the 9th itself. This shows that you will always have God's grace. > > > > > > BTW, if I may make a comparision between you and me--you have Guru > > as 12th lord, I have Sani in 12th. While you drank at parties, I > > always drank alone. I loved music and contemplation and programming > > while drinking--see how the " hail fellow well met " ebullience of > > Guru contrasts so sharply with the solitary nature of Swati Ucchan! :- > > ) > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > Balaji Narasimhan > > > Author & Editor > > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 * Om Kleem Kamalathmikayai Namah * Dear Wendyji, Namaskar! & nbsp; Interesting that 12th House controls addictions. & nbsp; What controls De-Addiction? Means, if a native suffers addiction to some thing; what should be done to undo that? & nbsp; Thanks, Raj Upadhrasta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Raj, It depends what is causing the problem? Not all addictions are associated with 12th. Other addictions (vices) such as smoking etc. are generally seen from 6th. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Raj Upadhrasta " <suryanayaka <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:53 PM Re: Retrograde Jupiter and Alcoholism * Om Kleem Kamalathmikayai Namah * Dear Wendyji, Namaskar! & nbsp; Interesting that 12th House controls addictions. & nbsp; What controls De-Addiction? Means, if a native suffers addiction to some thing; what should be done to undo that? & nbsp; Thanks, Raj Upadhrasta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Mrs Wendy, you wrote //some addiction are seen from 6th house// This is very true in my case. Growing up I been quite addicted to T.V and the reason was that I was mostly alone at home. Now these days it had switched over to music and movies. Of the two, I am more addicted to music. I believe de-addiction from that is just impossible. Solitude is still very much a friend of mine and listening to ragas just takes me to another world.Occasionally, I do get scolded by my hubby for another obsession of mine, which is serving others to the point that I jeopardizes my opportunity. He says I am too naive. In my chart, I got moon and venus in 6th house ( makara rasi; leo lagna) Regards, Manasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Vic well I know u have read many of Hindu epics, literature and the essence of itis ` mind over matter' and 'no fear or favor'.[obligation to do something from fear] so when Mind is in question the Moon and 4th are important 4th again important for character, mental equilibrium/health 9th also has a role in higher levels of human evolution in the ones 4th covers. and when there r afflictions to their lords or the houses by any form of association it can happen and it is always a combined effect not a single factor and most importantly Dasas [time] strength of the periods involved and transits. a Guru affliction can also mean a weak liver this can be due to alcohol also no doubt, but non alcoholics too have liver disorders. but also someone who brodes or is by nature depressed or had Jaundice and liver affected or any other liver disorder is possible. Dandruff which shampoo makers claim can be cleaned by each of them is rubbish dandruff is nothing but bile that moves up thru the scalp the more u worry, more one broods the more u will be affected shampoos r temporary Ram dev ji has also said by meditation, yoga u can reduce this problem and if u do it regularly be free of it. none of the antidepressants work better than Yoga and prayanama and some dhayna a mind free of negativity can fill in positive energy and make a major difference in work and personal lives of all of us Guru gives one discretion and if it is sick so is the person at that time, guru also is ETERNAL GURU-TEACHER who guides u it is up to us which side we choose. Best wishes Prashantkumar On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote: > Dear All, > > I would like to note that I have recently done charts for two people > Virgo rising, retrograde Jupiter in the 4th House (Saggitarius). These > people are the *opposite* of alcoholics. They are life-long > " Straightedge " - no alcohol in the entire life. > > What should go without saying should never be left unsaid... A single > indicator alone is *never* enough to make a final determination. > Consider this: > > Retrograde Jupiter in the two charts I mentioned, is in his > Moolontrikona. Therefore he is very strong and not prone to frivolity. > Thus retrograde Jupiter always involves alcohol and intoxicants, but in > this case, it involves and strong inclination NOT to indulge. > > Smt. Sheevani posted two other persons: one was retrograde Jupiter in > Pisces. Pisces is a sign associated with intoxication *very* strongly. > It is Jupiter's home, not his office (mool-tri), therefore pisces > water/intoxication in the relaxed home and retrograde, creates very > strong energy towards the use of alcohol. > > Her second example is one with retro Jupiter who has never touched > alcohol. Some things to note, it is not in a sign associated with > intoxication, but a sign associated with emotions. it is in an upachara > house. > > Now I have a question for Bhaskar and others (since B. put forth the > idea, if I'm not mistaken)... What is it about Jupiter that makes him > being retrograde signify something about indulgence in alcohol? Would it > not be better to say a general lack of morality? > > However that too has to be seen in context of the rest of the chart. > > To my mind, Rahu and Ketu are the biggest indicators of compulsive drug > and alcohol abuse. Ketu conjunct with the moon, for example gives > compulsive, secretive personalities that very easily fall prey to > addictions. (don't forget the Chandra / Soma connection) > > So, I can see ® Jupiter as a weakness or tendancy to immorality - but > for determining the mode in which that immorality manifests, we must > consult signs, houses, and influences from neighboring planets. > > Yours, > Vic > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Rajeevji, Thanks is a small word for taking out time and suggesting what you have. Some few others also told me about gmail account, and i have too, but not using for Jyotish. Now I think i will start using this extensively. The other suggestion for loading Web pages with charts etc. I never knew existed. This is going to help me a lot, I know this. Thanks very much for this concern to help others. Nature gives ten fold in return to others those who help all. Your mail is now going to stay in my Drafts folder forever till the Hard disc stays. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > I saw that in one email you were talking about lost emails etc. > Use gmail.. Its much better for emailing. > > > Benefits.. much faster... much more user friendly. > Also all emails on one topic are clubbed in one set... > check the image for example... > http://rajeevmundra.googlepages.com/bhaskarji_gmail-suggest.PNG > > > > Also you can use http://pages.google.com/?pli=1 > to load sample charts and send very easily to groups. > > > try it, it will create a big jump in emailing productivity. > looks like stone age tool when compared to google. > also google allows pop facility for free which can be used to get emails in > outlook. > > > Hope that with the time that this tip saves, you can help a few more men. > > > Om Namah Shivay. > Rajeev > > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > > > The blessings and benevolence of Jupiter finally > > flowed over you, and I hope the sequence and > > culmination of this flow and intoxication you > > witnessed finally, behoves in same manner for > > most of us who are struggling to get out of > > irregular habits and wishing to get into the most > > fascinating intoxication - Meditation. > > > > Just as God was with You, may He be so, > > with all of us, when we are fighting with > > ourselves to get better and better and > > worthier and worthier to gain His Love. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>, > > " Wendy Vasicek " > > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani and All, > > > > > > As with all habitual behaviour it has to start somewhere (and) from > > an > > > astrological perspective there needs to be some support from other > > > planets. I believe that no planet, retrograde or otherwise, can be > > wholly > > > solely responsible for certain behaviours. > > > > > > As enough years have passed for it to no longer be of any concern, > > I can > > > recall quite dispassionately a time when alcohol played a big part > > in my > > > life. During the 60's - 70's...from 1967 on (mainly) if my memory > > serves > > > me; my then husband and I led a very full social life...frequent > > cocktail > > > parties, dinners etc., where alcohol flowed freely. Nothing was > > thought > > > of this until (for me) the alcohol and sleeping tablets (prescribed > > by > > > doctor) developed into a serious habitual problem. I can't begin to > > > describe the nightmare of getting off these. I spent a long time in > > and > > > out of private hospitals in an effort to wean me off them, until > > > eventually I realised that the only person who could do it was > > > me...doctors were of no help at all, they just kept putting me on > > other > > > medication. > > > > > > I went 'cold turkey' (as they say) and there were times I truly > > thought I > > > would die, it was so hard. But eventually I came out the other > > side, free > > > from the (drug) addiction. The dasa period during that time was > > > Jupiter/Venus. Jupiter owns 12th house of intoxication and, of > > course, > > > retrograde Venus is badly afflicted in 8th. I doubt very much if > > Venus > > > would have initiated this without the help of Jupiter. > > > > > > Although I overcame the drug addiction, alcohol remained a fairly > > big > > > part of my life...until Rahu bhukti (in Jupiter dasa) when I moved > > to > > > Africa and found another intoxicant...meditation! My guru came into > > my > > > life and I discovered my " Self " . This too came as a blessing from > > > Jupiter, but I had to go through a lot before he brought me to this > > > point. > > > Jai Guru Dev! > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > - > > > " ravindramani " <ravindramani@> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>> > > > Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:12 PM > > > Re: Retrograde Jupiter and Alcoholism > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > At the outset, " the views on retrograde planets are not mine, > > repeat, > > > are not mine, those were of R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > > Astrology. My contribution in that was " cut and paste " in the > > > browser and posted it in the Group to pave a ground for discussion. > > > Simply I posted does not necessarily mean, I follow his views fully. > > > He himself wrote in the article, " these are my views " , readers can > > > use them judiciously in their chart analysis. > > > > > > Secondly, Mrs. Sheevani, mentioned the retrograde Jupiter and how > > > Jupiter behaves respectively, in those two charts. Mr. Bhaskar, > > > expressed his views of retrograde Jupiter and its behaviour vis- à- > > vis > > > drinking habits. Mr. Vic shown certain examples in which how > > > retrogrades behave. In my chart both the acharyas, the Jupiter and > > > Venus are retrograde. Jupiter is with Rahu and is in the > > > constellation of Rahu. I don't drink. But my observation, repeat my > > > observation, is that Venus ® is making more mischief in a chart > > and > > > gives the tendency (leaning) towards drinking. I have retrograde > > > Venus. Still I don't drink. There is enough protection in my > > chart, > > > not to fall prey to his tactics. > > > > > > My point is that these retrograde benefics do not give protection in > > > adverse periods and makes you susceptible or tempt to indulge in a > > > path which may not be palatable to your family or your traditions. > > > Your family has set some values and moral standards; the retrograde > > > Jupiter tempts you to go away from those standards or to act in such > > > manner that does not palatable for your family and your traditions. > > > If other factors in the chart protecting or supporting one does not > > > fall to temptations. In Rahu major period I was fully prone > > > (temptations) to drinking but I never crossed the line. I did taste > > > liquor once or twice. I was in such a situation, the friends and my > > > new acquaintances, the hostel mates in the college, away from your > > > family elders and their clutches and the independence which the > > > hostel room offers etc. > > > > > > Till a particular time, I even used to hate those who are drinking > > > and are very near and dear to me. I posted a chart in the year > > 2000, > > > in this Group, which belong to my brother-in-law, he died simply > > > because drinking. Mrs. Wendy may recall, and one Group Member, Mr. > > > Nicholas (may be I am typing his name in correctly) analyzed the > > > chart very beautifully since that chart pertains to my sister's > > > husband and I did not want to do that personally. In that chart, > > > neither Jupiter is retrograde nor does Venus retrograde. > > > > > > Why Venus retrograde may tempt you towards drinking? There are > > > enough clues available in 18 major Puranas and the Upa Puranas, one > > > may use them profitably in the chart readings. Sukracharya, the > > guru > > > of Asuras was fond of drinking..the daughter of Sukracharya falls in > > > love with the son of Pragaspati who came to learn the vidya of > > > Sanjeevini, from Sukracharya, which the Pragaspati the guru of Devas > > > do not know. In order to prevent the knowledge goes to the other > > > camp, Asuras killed the son of Pragaspati, more than one occasions, > > > taking resort to the habit of drinking of their guru. The > > > Sukracharya was torn between the passion of his daughter and duty > > > towards to his Masters. Ultimately Sukracharya instructs the > > mortals > > > do not indulge in drinking and else you will have to face the music > > > in your world duties. I am the foremost example, he tells. > > > Retrogression is such a status that if benefics acquire that, it is > > > difficult to stamp them they would behave in this way or that way. > > > Whether Jupiter (R ) or Venus ®, let us not stamp them they would > > > certainly gives the habit of drinking. > > > > > > Compare this situation with the dignity of Venus for Leo lagna. The > > > 10th lord exalted in the 8th house who is not retrograde. He > > becomes > > > malefic since he owns the most powerful Kendra and a trisadaya . > > > This dosha has to manifest as well as the dignity. The indication is > > > clear that the professional instability. There would be sudden > > > changes. But whenever change happens, the change would be better > > than > > > that of the previous position. What could be the possible reasons > > for > > > change? The Saturn narrates the story further. The tenth house > > > receives the aspect of malefic sixth lord. The quarrels and disputes > > > and resultant changes takes place suddenly in the tenth house > > > activities. The gains had to stop. Jupiter the 8th lord is in 11th > > > house of gains. Jupiter in 11th aspecting the 5th house of > > > professional falls. Jupiter is in the constellation of Rahu, Rahu is > > > placed in 10th. Jupiter is the 12th lord of losses from Moon and > > > placed in 6th. In Jupiter/Venus, Shri Deepak Sharma has to witness > > > all these drama. > > > > > > It is becoming lengthy. I have to stop. You can, with some > > > confidence and certainty predict normal planets but if they are > > > retrograde .. be careful. > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best Regards > Rajeev Mundra > www.EagleEyeTrade.com > 09334010234 / 09430300000 > > Free Sms Updates > http://www.smsgupshup.com/groups/EagleEyeTrade > > EagleEyeTrade Group > http://groups.google.comEagleEyeTrade > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I agree with you in that love for music is never considered to be addiction in the normal sense. But in my case, once I start listening to music or start watching movies I skips food to the extent that I don't even take a sip of water. There are days I would begin the day listening to devotional songs then continue with carnatic or western music continously for over 6 hrs doing just nothing other than listening. This is the reason why I wrote it as a vice, for my love for these things takes me away from the daily chores and makes me lazy :-). So what about moon and venus in 6th house? As to my knowledge I do have a health condition which I inherited from my mother. Other than that does it say that people who perceive me as their enemy are females? Or is that an exaggerated saying.. it's true to a certain extent. Regards, Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Good, this was another question which came in my mind after my last posting. Luckily you answered this. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji / Friends. > > > You donot need to create a new id and join all jyotish groups again. > You can JOIN your gmail id with so that all such emails will to > gmail instead of . > Also any email sent from google to will go easily. (as I am > sending now) > > > go to > www. > in that you can set alternate email ids.. (please look around to find it) > once u set the alternate email id.. will send an email to gmail acc > asking confirmation > then click on manage groups... > and select gmail email id for whatever group you wish to. > > > that should do it. > > > If you find any issue.. ask, i shall send screen shots. > > > By the way, there are some beautiful drawing tools, which you can easily use > to edit screen shots to add text on the astro charts with arrows etc.. > kindly ask if needed... > > > regards > Rajeev > > > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > Dear Rajeevji, > > > > Thanks is a small word for taking out time > > and suggesting what you have. > > Some few others also told me about gmail > > account, and i have too, but not using > > for Jyotish. Now I think i will start > > using this extensively. > > The other suggestion for loading Web pages > > with charts etc. I never knew existed. > > This is going to help me a lot, I know this. > > Thanks very much for this concern to > > help others. > > Nature gives ten fold in > > return to others those who help all. > > Your mail is now going to stay in my > > Drafts folder forever till the > > Hard disc stays. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>, > > RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > I saw that in one email you were talking about lost emails etc. > > > Use gmail.. Its much better for emailing. > > > > > > > > > Benefits.. much faster... much more user friendly. > > > Also all emails on one topic are clubbed in one set... > > > check the image for example... > > > http://rajeevmundra.googlepages.com/bhaskarji_gmail-suggest.PNG > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you can use http://pages.google.com/?pli=1 > > > to load sample charts and send very easily to groups. > > > > > > > > > try it, it will create a big jump in emailing productivity. > > > looks like stone age tool when compared to google. > > > also google allows pop facility for free which can be used to get > > emails in > > > outlook. > > > > > > > > > Hope that with the time that this tip saves, you can help a few > > more men. > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay. > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > > > > > > > The blessings and benevolence of Jupiter finally > > > > flowed over you, and I hope the sequence and > > > > culmination of this flow and intoxication you > > > > witnessed finally, behoves in same manner for > > > > most of us who are struggling to get out of > > > > irregular habits and wishing to get into the most > > > > fascinating intoxication - Meditation. > > > > > > > > Just as God was with You, may He be so, > > > > with all of us, when we are fighting with > > > > ourselves to get better and better and > > > > worthier and worthier to gain His Love. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>, > > > > > > " Wendy Vasicek " > > > > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani and All, > > > > > > > > > > As with all habitual behaviour it has to start somewhere (and) > > from > > > > an > > > > > astrological perspective there needs to be some support from > > other > > > > > planets. I believe that no planet, retrograde or otherwise, can > > be > > > > wholly > > > > > solely responsible for certain behaviours. > > > > > > > > > > As enough years have passed for it to no longer be of any > > concern, > > > > I can > > > > > recall quite dispassionately a time when alcohol played a big > > part > > > > in my > > > > > life. During the 60's - 70's...from 1967 on (mainly) if my > > memory > > > > serves > > > > > me; my then husband and I led a very full social life...frequent > > > > cocktail > > > > > parties, dinners etc., where alcohol flowed freely. Nothing was > > > > thought > > > > > of this until (for me) the alcohol and sleeping tablets > > (prescribed > > > > by > > > > > doctor) developed into a serious habitual problem. I can't > > begin to > > > > > describe the nightmare of getting off these. I spent a long > > time in > > > > and > > > > > out of private hospitals in an effort to wean me off them, until > > > > > eventually I realised that the only person who could do it was > > > > > me...doctors were of no help at all, they just kept putting me > > on > > > > other > > > > > medication. > > > > > > > > > > I went 'cold turkey' (as they say) and there were times I truly > > > > thought I > > > > > would die, it was so hard. But eventually I came out the other > > > > side, free > > > > > from the (drug) addiction. The dasa period during that time was > > > > > Jupiter/Venus. Jupiter owns 12th house of intoxication and, of > > > > course, > > > > > retrograde Venus is badly afflicted in 8th. I doubt very much if > > > > Venus > > > > > would have initiated this without the help of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > Although I overcame the drug addiction, alcohol remained a > > fairly > > > > big > > > > > part of my life...until Rahu bhukti (in Jupiter dasa) when I > > moved > > > > to > > > > > Africa and found another intoxicant...meditation! My guru came > > into > > > > my > > > > > life and I discovered my " Self " . This too came as a blessing > > from > > > > > Jupiter, but I had to go through a lot before he brought me to > > this > > > > > point. > > > > > Jai Guru Dev! > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " ravindramani " <ravindramani@> > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>> > > > > > Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:12 PM > > > > > Re: Retrograde Jupiter and Alcoholism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > At the outset, " the views on retrograde planets are not mine, > > > > repeat, > > > > > are not mine, those were of R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > > > > Astrology. My contribution in that was " cut and paste " in the > > > > > browser and posted it in the Group to pave a ground for > > discussion. > > > > > Simply I posted does not necessarily mean, I follow his views > > fully. > > > > > He himself wrote in the article, " these are my views " , readers > > can > > > > > use them judiciously in their chart analysis. > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, Mrs. Sheevani, mentioned the retrograde Jupiter and > > how > > > > > Jupiter behaves respectively, in those two charts. Mr. Bhaskar, > > > > > expressed his views of retrograde Jupiter and its behaviour vis- > > à- > > > > vis > > > > > drinking habits. Mr. Vic shown certain examples in which how > > > > > retrogrades behave. In my chart both the acharyas, the Jupiter > > and > > > > > Venus are retrograde. Jupiter is with Rahu and is in the > > > > > constellation of Rahu. I don't drink. But my observation, > > repeat my > > > > > observation, is that Venus ® is making more mischief in a > > chart > > > > and > > > > > gives the tendency (leaning) towards drinking. I have retrograde > > > > > Venus. Still I don't drink. There is enough protection in my > > > > chart, > > > > > not to fall prey to his tactics. > > > > > > > > > > My point is that these retrograde benefics do not give > > protection in > > > > > adverse periods and makes you susceptible or tempt to indulge > > in a > > > > > path which may not be palatable to your family or your > > traditions. > > > > > Your family has set some values and moral standards; the > > retrograde > > > > > Jupiter tempts you to go away from those standards or to act in > > such > > > > > manner that does not palatable for your family and your > > traditions. > > > > > If other factors in the chart protecting or supporting one does > > not > > > > > fall to temptations. In Rahu major period I was fully prone > > > > > (temptations) to drinking but I never crossed the line. I did > > taste > > > > > liquor once or twice. I was in such a situation, the friends > > and my > > > > > new acquaintances, the hostel mates in the college, away from > > your > > > > > family elders and their clutches and the independence which the > > > > > hostel room offers etc. > > > > > > > > > > Till a particular time, I even used to hate those who are > > drinking > > > > > and are very near and dear to me. I posted a chart in the year > > > > 2000, > > > > > in this Group, which belong to my brother-in-law, he died simply > > > > > because drinking. Mrs. Wendy may recall, and one Group Member, > > Mr. > > > > > Nicholas (may be I am typing his name in correctly) analyzed the > > > > > chart very beautifully since that chart pertains to my sister's > > > > > husband and I did not want to do that personally. In that chart, > > > > > neither Jupiter is retrograde nor does Venus retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > Why Venus retrograde may tempt you towards drinking? There are > > > > > enough clues available in 18 major Puranas and the Upa Puranas, > > one > > > > > may use them profitably in the chart readings. Sukracharya, the > > > > guru > > > > > of Asuras was fond of drinking..the daughter of Sukracharya > > falls in > > > > > love with the son of Pragaspati who came to learn the vidya of > > > > > Sanjeevini, from Sukracharya, which the Pragaspati the guru of > > Devas > > > > > do not know. In order to prevent the knowledge goes to the other > > > > > camp, Asuras killed the son of Pragaspati, more than one > > occasions, > > > > > taking resort to the habit of drinking of their guru. The > > > > > Sukracharya was torn between the passion of his daughter and > > duty > > > > > towards to his Masters. Ultimately Sukracharya instructs the > > > > mortals > > > > > do not indulge in drinking and else you will have to face the > > music > > > > > in your world duties. I am the foremost example, he tells. > > > > > Retrogression is such a status that if benefics acquire that, > > it is > > > > > difficult to stamp them they would behave in this way or that > > way. > > > > > Whether Jupiter (R ) or Venus ®, let us not stamp them they > > would > > > > > certainly gives the habit of drinking. > > > > > > > > > > Compare this situation with the dignity of Venus for Leo lagna. > > The > > > > > 10th lord exalted in the 8th house who is not retrograde. He > > > > becomes > > > > > malefic since he owns the most powerful Kendra and a trisadaya . > > > > > This dosha has to manifest as well as the dignity. The > > indication is > > > > > clear that the professional instability. There would be sudden > > > > > changes. But whenever change happens, the change would be better > > > > than > > > > > that of the previous position. What could be the possible > > reasons > > > > for > > > > > change? The Saturn narrates the story further. The tenth house > > > > > receives the aspect of malefic sixth lord. The quarrels and > > disputes > > > > > and resultant changes takes place suddenly in the tenth house > > > > > activities. The gains had to stop. Jupiter the 8th lord is in > > 11th > > > > > house of gains. Jupiter in 11th aspecting the 5th house of > > > > > professional falls. Jupiter is in the constellation of Rahu, > > Rahu is > > > > > placed in 10th. Jupiter is the 12th lord of losses from Moon and > > > > > placed in 6th. In Jupiter/Venus, Shri Deepak Sharma has to > > witness > > > > > all these drama. > > > > > > > > > > It is becoming lengthy. I have to stop. You can, with some > > > > > confidence and certainty predict normal planets but if they are > > > > > retrograde .. be careful. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best Regards > > > Rajeev Mundra > > > www.EagleEyeTrade.com > > > 09334010234 / 09430300000 > > > > > > Free Sms Updates > > > http://www.smsgupshup.com/groups/EagleEyeTrade > > > > > > EagleEyeTrade Group > > > http://groups.google.comEagleEyeTrade > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Mr Prahanthkumar I have also come across a chart wherein Guru is posited in 12th house for Thula lagna native. His liver was affected and died prematurely. He used to drink in moderation and alcohol consumption might have aggravated already weak liver. Guru is karaka for liver and he played his role being placed in the 12th house. regards savithri --- On Thu, 6/12/08, astro desk & lt;astro.prashantkumar & gt; wrote: astro desk & lt;astro.prashantkumar & gt; Re: Retrograde Jupiter and Alcoholism jyotish-vidya Thursday, June 12, 2008, 11:22 AM Dear Vic well I know u have read many of Hindu epics, literature and the essence of itis ` mind over matter' and 'no fear or favor'.[obligation to do something from fear] so when Mind is in question the Moon and 4th are important 4th again important for character, mental equilibrium/ health 9th also has a role in higher levels of human evolution in the ones 4th covers. and when there r afflictions to their lords or the houses by any form of association it can happen and it is always a combined effect not a single factor and most importantly Dasas [time] strength of the periods involved and transits. a Guru affliction can also mean a weak liver this can be due to alcohol also no doubt, but non alcoholics too have liver disorders. but also someone who brodes or is by nature depressed or had Jaundice and liver affected or any other liver disorder is possible. Dandruff which shampoo makers claim can be cleaned by each of them is rubbish dandruff is nothing but bile that moves up thru the scalp the more u worry, more one broods the more u will be affected shampoos r temporary Ram dev ji has also said by meditation, yoga u can reduce this problem and if u do it regularly be free of it. none of the antidepressants work better than Yoga and prayanama and some dhayna a mind free of negativity can fill in positive energy and make a major difference in work and personal lives of all of us Guru gives one discretion and if it is sick so is the person at that time, guru also is ETERNAL GURU-TEACHER who guides u it is up to us which side we choose. Best wishes Prashantkumar On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Vic DiCara & lt;vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com & gt; wrote: & gt; Dear All, & gt; & gt; I would like to note that I have recently done charts for two people & gt; Virgo rising, retrograde Jupiter in the 4th House (Saggitarius) . These & gt; people are the *opposite* of alcoholics. They are life-long & gt; " Straightedge " - no alcohol in the entire life. & gt; & gt; What should go without saying should never be left unsaid... A single & gt; indicator alone is *never* enough to make a final determination. & gt; Consider this: & gt; & gt; Retrograde Jupiter in the two charts I mentioned, is in his & gt; Moolontrikona. Therefore he is very strong and not prone to frivolity. & gt; Thus retrograde Jupiter always involves alcohol and intoxicants, but in & gt; this case, it involves and strong inclination NOT to indulge. & gt; & gt; Smt. Sheevani posted two other persons: one was retrograde Jupiter in & gt; Pisces. Pisces is a sign associated with intoxication *very* strongly. & gt; It is Jupiter's home, not his office (mool-tri), therefore pisces & gt; water/intoxication in the relaxed home and retrograde, creates very & gt; strong energy towards the use of alcohol. & gt; & gt; Her second example is one with retro Jupiter who has never touched & gt; alcohol. Some things to note, it is not in a sign associated with & gt; intoxication, but a sign associated with emotions. it is in an upachara & gt; house. & gt; & gt; Now I have a question for Bhaskar and others (since B. put forth the & gt; idea, if I'm not mistaken)... What is it about Jupiter that makes him & gt; being retrograde signify something about indulgence in alcohol? Would it & gt; not be better to say a general lack of morality? & gt; & gt; However that too has to be seen in context of the rest of the chart. & gt; & gt; To my mind, Rahu and Ketu are the biggest indicators of compulsive drug & gt; and alcohol abuse. Ketu conjunct with the moon, for example gives & gt; compulsive, secretive personalities that very easily fall prey to & gt; addictions. (don't forget the Chandra / Soma connection) & gt; & gt; So, I can see ® Jupiter as a weakness or tendancy to immorality - but & gt; for determining the mode in which that immorality manifests, we must & gt; consult signs, houses, and influences from neighboring planets. & gt; & gt; Yours, & gt; Vic & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Dear Savithri good u got the message right and also related it it as well. Iam sure there r other factors too, but the essence in what u said IS GURU in 12th and enemy sign Late Dr B V RAMAN has said if Kanya is aflicted the health of the person is surely aflicted one the sign and the planets involved, the house fort hat Lagna are area of concern too here why he said this was in KALAPURUASHA's scheme Kanya represents the 6th and health as such. and when it comes to analysing we have to super impose the picture of the Lagna and the natural kalapurusha chart. so here Kanya with Guru has affected liver in my case too u will find my data in group messages today also] when I use B V RAMANS AYANMASA AS I DO Kuja is Lagna [kanya' and Guru neecha in 5th with sani I had jaundice in my jaundice in my infancy due to a electrical shock I crawled and held a metal bucket that had a immersion heater rod in it live so the shock turned me blue for 2 weeeks followed by jaundice for 2 weels fully yellow even seeat was dark yellow BEst wishes Prashant kumar On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:33 PM, SAVITHRI MAHESH < savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > Mr Prahanthkumar > > I have also come across a chart wherein Guru is posited in 12th house for > Thula lagna native. His liver was affected and died prematurely. He used to > drink in moderation and alcohol consumption might have aggravated already > weak liver. Guru is karaka for liver and he played his role being placed in > the 12th house. > > regards > savithri > > --- On Thu, 6/12/08, astro desk & lt;astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> & gt; > wrote: > astro desk & lt;astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> & gt; > > Re: Retrograde Jupiter and Alcoholism > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Thursday, June 12, 2008, 11:22 AM > > > Dear Vic > > well I know u have read many of Hindu epics, literature and the essence of > itis ` mind over matter' and 'no fear or favor'.[obligation to do something > from fear] > > so when Mind is in question the Moon and 4th are important > 4th again important for character, mental equilibrium/ health > 9th also has a role in higher levels of human evolution in the ones 4th > covers. > > and when there r afflictions to their lords or the houses by any form of > association it can happen and it is always a combined effect not a single > factor and most importantly Dasas [time] strength of the periods involved > and transits. > > a Guru affliction can also mean a weak liver > this can be due to alcohol also no doubt, but non alcoholics too have liver > disorders. > but also someone who brodes or is by nature depressed > or had Jaundice and liver affected or any other liver disorder is possible. > Dandruff which shampoo makers claim can be cleaned by each of them is > rubbish > > dandruff is nothing but bile that moves up thru the scalp the more u worry, > more one broods the more u will be affected shampoos r temporary Ram dev ji > has also said by meditation, yoga u can reduce this problem and if u do it > regularly be free of it. > > none of the antidepressants work better than Yoga and prayanama and some > dhayna a mind free of negativity can fill in positive energy and make a > major difference in work and personal lives of all of us > > Guru gives one discretion and if it is sick so is the person at that time, > guru also is ETERNAL GURU-TEACHER who guides u it is up to us which side we > choose. > > Best wishes > > Prashantkumar > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Vic DiCara & lt;vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com & gt; > wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > I would like to note that I have recently done charts for two people > > Virgo rising, retrograde Jupiter in the 4th House (Saggitarius) . These > > people are the *opposite* of alcoholics. They are life-long > > " Straightedge " - no alcohol in the entire life. > > > > What should go without saying should never be left unsaid... A single > > indicator alone is *never* enough to make a final determination. > > Consider this: > > > > Retrograde Jupiter in the two charts I mentioned, is in his > > Moolontrikona. Therefore he is very strong and not prone to frivolity. > > Thus retrograde Jupiter always involves alcohol and intoxicants, but in > > this case, it involves and strong inclination NOT to indulge. > > > > Smt. Sheevani posted two other persons: one was retrograde Jupiter in > > Pisces. Pisces is a sign associated with intoxication *very* strongly. > > It is Jupiter's home, not his office (mool-tri), therefore pisces > > water/intoxication in the relaxed home and retrograde, creates very > > strong energy towards the use of alcohol. > > > > Her second example is one with retro Jupiter who has never touched > > alcohol. Some things to note, it is not in a sign associated with > > intoxication, but a sign associated with emotions. it is in an upachara > > house. > > > > Now I have a question for Bhaskar and others (since B. put forth the > > idea, if I'm not mistaken)... What is it about Jupiter that makes him > > being retrograde signify something about indulgence in alcohol? Would it > > not be better to say a general lack of morality? > > > > However that too has to be seen in context of the rest of the chart. > > > > To my mind, Rahu and Ketu are the biggest indicators of compulsive drug > > and alcohol abuse. Ketu conjunct with the moon, for example gives > > compulsive, secretive personalities that very easily fall prey to > > addictions. (don't forget the Chandra / Soma connection) > > > > So, I can see ® Jupiter as a weakness or tendancy to immorality - but > > for determining the mode in which that immorality manifests, we must > > consult signs, houses, and influences from neighboring planets. > > > > Yours, > > Vic > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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