Planets retrograde- How do astrologer take???Progression

[Guest guest]

RRji,

Would it be ok to say then that after a few years the mind/manas

(moon) of the native undergoes a change. And that the astrologer

should then read him as the next or a later moon sign. Going by what

you wrote, in about 13 years the native would have moved forward by

nearly 27 degrees. For most people it would be a sign change. It does

seem logical that experiences in life change us and that our mind

changes as we go along.

Tropicalists say that the lessons of the last sign are over and the

native has to move on to the next sign(s) to learn newer lessons.

 

Does this hold true for other planets too in Jyotish.A moot question

is if the soul is supposed to move linearly from one sign to the other

'lessonwise'.

 

Regards

Shiva

 

 

 

ushouldvedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> I think this is 'progression' as utilized in western astrology, right?

>

> The interesting thing is that in tropical astrology, there is a

> timing system that is based on a degree a year progression, in other

> words 120 degrees in 120 years, natal positions progressed uniformly

> at the rate of a degree a year!

>

> In Jyotish, also there is a 120 degree progression in 120 year that

> is used. It is called Vimshottari dasha which is based on progressing

> the natal moon through 120 degrees in 120 degrees!

>

> The difference from tropical is that the moon is not considered to

> progress through each degree at a uniform rate, but at varying rates!

>

> Starting with aries zero (sidereal), moon progresses through the

> first 13d20m in 7 years, the next 13d20m in six years, the next

> similar segment in 10 years ... and so on!

>

> RR

>

>

> vedic astrology , " theblisswithin "

> <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji,

> > That was very insightful. I will follow your kind advise.

> >

> > When you do find some time, could you comment on one related query.

> > Tropical/western astrologers believe that taking one day for one

> year,

> > it can be predicted when a planet will go 'direct'. If a planet went

> > direct x number of days after birth. Then after x number of years in

> > essence, according to them, it will start showing the 'direct'

> affects.

> >

> > Does jyotish also believe something similar. This will be my last

> > question about this. Thanks for your patience and generosity.

> >

> > I am quite ignorant in these matters. Moreover an afflicted lagna

> > doesn't show a great intelligence either. But I do still wish to

> make

> > a humble suggestion. If you have not already written one, maybe you

> > should write a astro book with the explanations like the ones

> above. I

> > am sure in particular in the west where people search for

> > 'psychological explanations' more than predictions, it will fill a

> > gap. And will also help people like me with very minimal technical

> > knowledge but a great thirst to 'know thyself' through Jyotish in a

> > easy to read, yet very profound content.

> >

> > Pranams

> > Shiva

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Member:

> > >

> > > Speculating about past lives based on planetary positions is

> really

> > > a tricky subject. But, as you have said, we may say that

> retrograde

> > > Mars indicates that the life lesson a person has to learn to

> > > channelise aggression correctly. If we are to believe Naadi

> > > readings (I have done some research on that), I have found a

> regular

> > > pattern as follows:

> > >

> > > Persons with both Mars and Jupiter retrograde generally have

> been

> > > either military commanders, martial arts exponents, or expert

> > > surgeons in previous lives, have started their career with good

> zeal

> > > for social service but somehow got degraded with pride and

> passion

> > > in the middle and then later got reformed towards the end of that

> > > life. So, their present life does indicate a pattern of events

> > > where they feel they are insulted or inhibited in some way which

> > > cannot be explained considering their status, power, or talents

> > > (like being insulted by someone who by virtue of being lower down

> > > the social order cannot imagine doing that! but still to this

> native

> > > they may behave like that; or they do not get expected marks in

> > > examinations leading to their disappointment; or they fail to get

> > > medical seats though they are innately blessed with healing

> powers;

> > > or military/ administrative careers which start with much promise

> > > suddenly get snatched from them by accidents or inexplicable

> > > circumstances). Generally these persons are exposed to

> circumstances

> > > where a show of anger could be justified; the circumstances seem

> to

> > > keep prodding the native to react angrily and they have to fight

> a

> > > constant struggle to control themselves.

> > >

> > > Actually, retrogrades can actually mean hidden potentials. Like

> the

> > > incident I have related in my earlier mail, I very much doubt if

> the

> > > person in question would be alive today if not for the qualities

> he

> > > displayed typical of a retrograde Mars! CHANNELISING THE

> AGGRESSION

> > > CORRECTLY IS THE LESSON TO BE LEARNT THAT IS ALL. There is

> > > nothing " wrong " or " negative " or for that matter " positive " about

> > > that.

> > >

> > > Praying to Lord Hanuman is actually good for persons with

> retrograde

> > > Mars. Lord Hanumaan was a typical example of how a courageous

> and

> > > strong person can also be obedient, humble, and possessed of

> > > excellent qualities. Praying to HIm will help in channelizing

> the

> > > instincts productively. But, we cannot say that Mars will

> > > become " direct " by that prayers; we can say that praying to Lord

> > > Hanumaan or chanting Chandi Paath can help the person concerned

> to

> > > tap the " higher and positive " potential of retrograde Mars (like

> > > become expert healers, good yogic experts/ skills trainers, army

> > > commanders, etc.).

> > >

> > > In your case, praying to Lord Hanumaan will be good.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > vedic astrology , " theblisswithin "

> > > <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your insightful detailed reply! It was great to

> learn

> > > that.

> > > > We indeed are blessed to have you here.

> > > >

> > > > May I ask two brief follow up questions. First: were these

> natives

> > > in

> > > > some kind of military positions in last lives and therefore it

> is

> > > > their life lesson this life to learn to tame their anger?

> > > >

> > > > Second, would worshipping Lord Hanuman make the Mars direct.

> That

> > > > might perhaps help them express aggression easily and rather

> > > > peacefully and not repress it. Or, will it make them even

> angrier,

> > > > since it will activate the mars.

> > > >

> > > > Someone recommended me that in view of my current Sade Sati, 2nd

> > > > phase. But I have Mars retro in Aries in 11th house, third from

> AL.

> > > > Two days later I fell down hard on my head,bled,still have a

> scar

> > > and

> > > > money was stolen from my mother(mars aspects moon too). So I

> > > stopped

> > > > doing that. I am wondering what happened.

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry I somehow missed this post earlier. Noticed just now,

> > > > otherwise I would have responded earlier.

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks again and pranams

> > > > Shiva

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Member:

> > > > >

> > > > > You have got it right.

> > > > >

> > > > > People with Mars retrograde in their horoscopes tend to delay

> > > > > expression of anger but the feelings of resentment are deep

> > > within.

> > > > > Then when they finally explode, the fireworks are to be seen

> to

> > > be

> > > > > believed!

> > > > >

> > > > > Generally persons with Mars retrograde tend to have an innate

> > > > > aggressive instinct that can be masked only to a certain

> extent

> > > > > however cultured and sophisticated they are.

> > > > >

> > > > > The power of their anger has an almost electric character

> > > stupefying

> > > > > and transfixing those who experience it! Luckily most of

> these

> > > > > natives can be taught to control the expression of that

> anger,

> > > and

> > > > > in such cases they will seem to be quite harmless on most

> > > > > occasions. However, the energy is lurking just beneath the

> > > surface

> > > > > of icy cool, ready to come to the aid of the native if

> > > situations

> > > > > demand that.

> > > > >

> > > > > A person who rather goes after the throat of his/ her

> would=be

> > > > > assailant rather than negotiate in the face of a loaded gun

> is

> > > more

> > > > > likely to have a retrograde Mars. I know of an incidence

> > > concerning

> > > > > a Mars retrograde native (he was born in Mesha lagna with

> Mars

> > > in

> > > > > the 3rd house retrograde). Typically, he is of a gentle and

> > > smiling

> > > > > countenance. But on 3 or 4 occasions when his life was in

> > > danger

> > > > > from hired thugs, the transformation was astounding. It is

> > > really a

> > > > > sight to see hired rowdy elements with Guns in hands running

> for

> > > > > their lives with fear absolutely palpable on their faces

> after

> > > > > receiving the treatment from our friend! He was not afraid

> even

> > > > > after he was surrounded by 4 of them with guns in their

> hands.

> > > He

> > > > > did not waste time negotiating or looking for help around; he

> > > just

> > > > > went for it so much that they had to run. Of course, he was

> > > trained

> > > > > in martial arts and did regular exercises,etc. But for a

> normal

> > > > > person living a peaceful life to react like that in the face

> of

> > > > > threat WITHOUT ANY TRACE OF FEAR and on the contrary taking

> the

> > > > > battle to the enemy's terrain so to say is really typical of

> > > > > retrograde Mars in the vikrama sthaanaa is it not? This

> person

> > > > > otherwise is a very genial type.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have noted another thing also with that person. He is

> capable

> > > of

> > > > > writing with a stinging wit if he is upset with somebody.

> (Mars

> > > > > retrograde in the 3rd house indicating communications).

> > > > >

> > > > > You can also combine the house lordship and placement of

> > > retrograde

> > > > > Mars and analyze how these natives behave for your learning

> > > purposes.

> > > > > In fact, this goes true for almost all retrograde planets.

> You

> > > will

> > > > > find a definite pattern.

> > > > >

> > > > > We can say that the " retrograde planets express their unique

> > > > > qualities in activities concerned/ governed by the house in

> > > which

> > > > > they are placed and the expression carries the stamp of the

> > > house

> > > > > over which they rule. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > vedic astrology , " theblisswithin "

> > > > > <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji,

> > > > > > Thanks for this very enlightening clarification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would Mars retro native be more or less angry than a direct

> > > mars in

> > > > > > the same house and sign (let's say in Aries).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would it be that this native has a deep anger but delays

> > > > > expressing it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Shiva

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 3/11/07, dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A retrograde planet attains " Cheshta bala " - one of

> the

> > > six

> > > > > > > sources

> > > > > > > > > of shadbala of a planet. Even a debilitated planet in

> > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > > > > motion will attain strength by virtue of its

> retrograde

> > > > > motion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Actually retrograde planets indicate past life

> imprints

> > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > that sector of life indicated by the planet concerned.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Apart from the above, retrograde planets indicate

> > > certain

> > > > > special

> > > > > > > > > tendencies in the natives concerned. I am listing

> that

> > > below:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mercury retrograde in the natal chart indicates that

> the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > be highly introspective (to the extent that the

> native

> > > may

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > full-

> > > > > > > > > blown conversations or discussions with an alter-ego

> > > within

> > > > > > > > > themselves in certain cases; this is not a

> psychopathic

> > > > > condition

> > > > > > > > > but a case of hyper-developed conscience or inner

> > > voice!).

> > > > > These

> > > > > > > > > individuals frequently talk to themselves within

> > > themselves

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > motivate themselves. They show unusual intelligence

> with

> > > > > numbers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter retrograde gives indomitable will power to a

> > > > > > > > > native. " Mission impossible " churns them on to

> > > challenge;

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > born to take on tasks that others will find

> unappealing.

> > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > the sign of a potential crusader who dares to differ

> and

> > > > > chalk

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > own path in life. Challenges spur them on. They

> succeed

> > > where

> > > > > > > > > others fail usually. An entrepreneur who buys a sick

> > > unit and

> > > > > > > > > dramatically turns it around to a winning combination

> > > within

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > probably will have retrograde Jupiter in natal chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Venus retrograde gives unusual or eccentric tastes

> for an

> > > > > > > > > individual. They have unique preferences especially

> in

> > > > > romantic

> > > > > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars retrograde signifies the warrior with a never-

> say-

> > > die

> > > > > > > > > attitude. They possess wonderful equanimity of mind

> even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > their outer expressions may betray their powerful

> > > emotions.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a potentially advantageous planetary motion for a

> > > General or

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > surgeon who have to take instant decisions within

> > > specified

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > without any tremblings of the heart to spoil their

> > > > > calculations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saturn retrograde gives a loner attitude. Though the

> > > person

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > seem to be outwardly gregarious, they live a life for

> > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > > within themselves. If other indications in the chart

> > > support

> > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > these persons become ascetics in later life having

> > > > > understood the

> > > > > > > > > futility of this material existence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Apart from this, if an astrologer wants to know the

> > > effects

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > or Moon retrograde......what should you

> > > conclude?......THE

> > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGER HAS TO GET HIS BASICS IN ASTRONOMY STRONG

> > > because

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > luminaries Sun and Moon have no retrograde motion as

> the

> > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > of planets with respect to the Sun only cause this

> > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > phenomenon called retrograde motion. Moon being a

> > > reflection

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > is never retrograde. The nodes are always retrograde!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic-

> astrology%

> > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > " Smt. Anju Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > <globalastrologers@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > well, it can be.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Smt. Anju Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > www.globalastrologers.com

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > Pram Chopra

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic-

> astrology%

> > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Planets retrograde-

> How

> > > do

> > > > > > > > > astrologer take???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Anju Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In My Opinion All depends on the star lord of the

> > > planet

> > > > > if it

> > > > > > > > > is direct retrogration doesn't matter at all.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Prem Chopra

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > www.freewebs.com/pramchopra42

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ju Sharma " <globalastrologers@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > As per my limited knowledge and understanding of

> > > astrology;

> > > > > > > > > > Retrogration of a planet is related with its

> strength

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > influence over a nativity. If the concerned planet is

> > > > > benefic, it

> > > > > > > > > will have more power to provide benefic results, if

> > > malefic

> > > > > vice-

> > > > > > > > > versa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Smt. Anju Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > www.globalastrologers.com

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > balkrishnatalele

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic-

> astrology%

> > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:43 AM

> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Planets retrograde- How

> do

> > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > take???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > OM Shri GANESHA NAMAH:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi Gurujans,

> > > > > > > > > > How do an individual judge retrograde planet , does

> he

> > > take

> > > > > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > > > > or negative,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Some books suggest, Retrograde planets are in very

> > > excited

> > > > > > > > > state, They

> > > > > > > > > > give results very sudden and are unpredictable,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Few of them take is negative,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In one of the horoscope I have seen 3 retrograde

> > > planets in

> > > > > > > > > LAGNA,

> > > > > > > > > > and I failed to analysis , I went wrong and kept on

> > > moving

> > > > > > > wrong,

> > > > > > > > > > I would like to share her data, NO I DON'T WANT

> > > > > PREDICTION,

> > > > > > > Just

> > > > > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > me know how to judge retrograde planet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do let me know, How you will judge this,

> > > Because her

> > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > lord is Retrograde, still she has VERY GOOD

> education,

> > > and

> > > > > lots

> > > > > > > > > more...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2-April-1980

> > > > > > > > > > 16:54

> > > > > > > > > > Andheri-Maharashtra-India (or MUMBAI)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > cheers

> > > > > > > > > > Talele

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast

> > > > > > > > > > with the Search weather shortcut.

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[Guest guest]

What I wrote about progression etc was what tropicalists use or

believe in. Just to clarify: that is not necessarily my opinion or

based on my experience. Personally, I am in no great rush to change

moon signs and other natal signs within a lifetime :-)

 

Again, this is just my position! Others who are impatient to attain

self-realization and buddhahood within this lifetime may opt for the

fast-track!

 

Regards,

 

RR

 

vedic astrology , " theblisswithin "

<theblisswithin wrote:

>

> RRji,

> Would it be ok to say then that after a few years the mind/manas

> (moon) of the native undergoes a change. And that the astrologer

> should then read him as the next or a later moon sign. Going by what

> you wrote, in about 13 years the native would have moved forward by

> nearly 27 degrees. For most people it would be a sign change. It

does

> seem logical that experiences in life change us and that our mind

> changes as we go along.

> Tropicalists say that the lessons of the last sign are over and the

> native has to move on to the next sign(s) to learn newer lessons.

>

> Does this hold true for other planets too in Jyotish.A moot question

> is if the soul is supposed to move linearly from one sign to the

other

> 'lessonwise'.

>

> Regards

> Shiva

>

>

>

> ushouldvedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > I think this is 'progression' as utilized in western astrology,

right?

> >

> > The interesting thing is that in tropical astrology, there is a

> > timing system that is based on a degree a year progression, in

other

> > words 120 degrees in 120 years, natal positions progressed

uniformly

> > at the rate of a degree a year!

> >

> > In Jyotish, also there is a 120 degree progression in 120 year

that

> > is used. It is called Vimshottari dasha which is based on

progressing

> > the natal moon through 120 degrees in 120 degrees!

> >

> > The difference from tropical is that the moon is not considered

to

> > progress through each degree at a uniform rate, but at varying

rates!

> >

> > Starting with aries zero (sidereal), moon progresses through the

> > first 13d20m in 7 years, the next 13d20m in six years, the next

> > similar segment in 10 years ... and so on!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " theblisswithin "

> > <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji,

> > > That was very insightful. I will follow your kind advise.

> > >

> > > When you do find some time, could you comment on one related

query.

> > > Tropical/western astrologers believe that taking one day for

one

> > year,

> > > it can be predicted when a planet will go 'direct'. If a planet

went

> > > direct x number of days after birth. Then after x number of

years in

> > > essence, according to them, it will start showing the 'direct'

> > affects.

> > >

> > > Does jyotish also believe something similar. This will be my

last

> > > question about this. Thanks for your patience and generosity.

> > >

> > > I am quite ignorant in these matters. Moreover an afflicted

lagna

> > > doesn't show a great intelligence either. But I do still wish

to

> > make

> > > a humble suggestion. If you have not already written one, maybe

you

> > > should write a astro book with the explanations like the ones

> > above. I

> > > am sure in particular in the west where people search for

> > > 'psychological explanations' more than predictions, it will

fill a

> > > gap. And will also help people like me with very minimal

technical

> > > knowledge but a great thirst to 'know thyself' through Jyotish

in a

> > > easy to read, yet very profound content.

> > >

> > > Pranams

> > > Shiva

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Member:

> > > >

> > > > Speculating about past lives based on planetary positions is

> > really

> > > > a tricky subject. But, as you have said, we may say that

> > retrograde

> > > > Mars indicates that the life lesson a person has to learn to

> > > > channelise aggression correctly. If we are to believe Naadi

> > > > readings (I have done some research on that), I have found a

> > regular

> > > > pattern as follows:

> > > >

> > > > Persons with both Mars and Jupiter retrograde generally have

> > been

> > > > either military commanders, martial arts exponents, or expert

> > > > surgeons in previous lives, have started their career with

good

> > zeal

> > > > for social service but somehow got degraded with pride and

> > passion

> > > > in the middle and then later got reformed towards the end of

that

> > > > life. So, their present life does indicate a pattern of

events

> > > > where they feel they are insulted or inhibited in some way

which

> > > > cannot be explained considering their status, power, or

talents

> > > > (like being insulted by someone who by virtue of being lower

down

> > > > the social order cannot imagine doing that! but still to this

> > native

> > > > they may behave like that; or they do not get expected marks

in

> > > > examinations leading to their disappointment; or they fail to

get

> > > > medical seats though they are innately blessed with healing

> > powers;

> > > > or military/ administrative careers which start with much

promise

> > > > suddenly get snatched from them by accidents or inexplicable

> > > > circumstances). Generally these persons are exposed to

> > circumstances

> > > > where a show of anger could be justified; the circumstances

seem

> > to

> > > > keep prodding the native to react angrily and they have to

fight

> > a

> > > > constant struggle to control themselves.

> > > >

> > > > Actually, retrogrades can actually mean hidden potentials.

Like

> > the

> > > > incident I have related in my earlier mail, I very much doubt

if

> > the

> > > > person in question would be alive today if not for the

qualities

> > he

> > > > displayed typical of a retrograde Mars! CHANNELISING THE

> > AGGRESSION

> > > > CORRECTLY IS THE LESSON TO BE LEARNT THAT IS ALL. There is

> > > > nothing " wrong " or " negative " or for that matter " positive "

about

> > > > that.

> > > >

> > > > Praying to Lord Hanuman is actually good for persons with

> > retrograde

> > > > Mars. Lord Hanumaan was a typical example of how a

courageous

> > and

> > > > strong person can also be obedient, humble, and possessed of

> > > > excellent qualities. Praying to HIm will help in

channelizing

> > the

> > > > instincts productively. But, we cannot say that Mars will

> > > > become " direct " by that prayers; we can say that praying to

Lord

> > > > Hanumaan or chanting Chandi Paath can help the person

concerned

> > to

> > > > tap the " higher and positive " potential of retrograde Mars

(like

> > > > become expert healers, good yogic experts/ skills trainers,

army

> > > > commanders, etc.).

> > > >

> > > > In your case, praying to Lord Hanumaan will be good.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > vedic astrology , " theblisswithin "

> > > > <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your insightful detailed reply! It was great to

> > learn

> > > > that.

> > > > > We indeed are blessed to have you here.

> > > > >

> > > > > May I ask two brief follow up questions. First: were these

> > natives

> > > > in

> > > > > some kind of military positions in last lives and therefore

it

> > is

> > > > > their life lesson this life to learn to tame their anger?

> > > > >

> > > > > Second, would worshipping Lord Hanuman make the Mars

direct.

> > That

> > > > > might perhaps help them express aggression easily and rather

> > > > > peacefully and not repress it. Or, will it make them even

> > angrier,

> > > > > since it will activate the mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Someone recommended me that in view of my current Sade

Sati, 2nd

> > > > > phase. But I have Mars retro in Aries in 11th house, third

from

> > AL.

> > > > > Two days later I fell down hard on my head,bled,still have

a

> > scar

> > > > and

> > > > > money was stolen from my mother(mars aspects moon too). So

I

> > > > stopped

> > > > > doing that. I am wondering what happened.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry I somehow missed this post earlier. Noticed just

now,

> > > > > otherwise I would have responded earlier.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks again and pranams

> > > > > Shiva

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Member:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have got it right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People with Mars retrograde in their horoscopes tend to

delay

> > > > > > expression of anger but the feelings of resentment are

deep

> > > > within.

> > > > > > Then when they finally explode, the fireworks are to be

seen

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > believed!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Generally persons with Mars retrograde tend to have an

innate

> > > > > > aggressive instinct that can be masked only to a certain

> > extent

> > > > > > however cultured and sophisticated they are.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The power of their anger has an almost electric character

> > > > stupefying

> > > > > > and transfixing those who experience it! Luckily most of

> > these

> > > > > > natives can be taught to control the expression of that

> > anger,

> > > > and

> > > > > > in such cases they will seem to be quite harmless on most

> > > > > > occasions. However, the energy is lurking just beneath

the

> > > > surface

> > > > > > of icy cool, ready to come to the aid of the native if

> > > > situations

> > > > > > demand that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A person who rather goes after the throat of his/ her

> > would=be

> > > > > > assailant rather than negotiate in the face of a loaded

gun

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > likely to have a retrograde Mars. I know of an incidence

> > > > concerning

> > > > > > a Mars retrograde native (he was born in Mesha lagna with

> > Mars

> > > > in

> > > > > > the 3rd house retrograde). Typically, he is of a gentle

and

> > > > smiling

> > > > > > countenance. But on 3 or 4 occasions when his life was

in

> > > > danger

> > > > > > from hired thugs, the transformation was astounding. It

is

> > > > really a

> > > > > > sight to see hired rowdy elements with Guns in hands

running

> > for

> > > > > > their lives with fear absolutely palpable on their faces

> > after

> > > > > > receiving the treatment from our friend! He was not

afraid

> > even

> > > > > > after he was surrounded by 4 of them with guns in their

> > hands.

> > > > He

> > > > > > did not waste time negotiating or looking for help

around; he

> > > > just

> > > > > > went for it so much that they had to run. Of course, he

was

> > > > trained

> > > > > > in martial arts and did regular exercises,etc. But for a

> > normal

> > > > > > person living a peaceful life to react like that in the

face

> > of

> > > > > > threat WITHOUT ANY TRACE OF FEAR and on the contrary

taking

> > the

> > > > > > battle to the enemy's terrain so to say is really typical

of

> > > > > > retrograde Mars in the vikrama sthaanaa is it not? This

> > person

> > > > > > otherwise is a very genial type.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have noted another thing also with that person. He is

> > capable

> > > > of

> > > > > > writing with a stinging wit if he is upset with somebody.

> > (Mars

> > > > > > retrograde in the 3rd house indicating communications).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can also combine the house lordship and placement of

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > > Mars and analyze how these natives behave for your

learning

> > > > purposes.

> > > > > > In fact, this goes true for almost all retrograde

planets.

> > You

> > > > will

> > > > > > find a definite pattern.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We can say that the " retrograde planets express their

unique

> > > > > > qualities in activities concerned/ governed by the house

in

> > > > which

> > > > > > they are placed and the expression carries the stamp of

the

> > > > house

> > > > > > over which they rule. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " theblisswithin "

> > > > > > <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji,

> > > > > > > Thanks for this very enlightening clarification.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Would Mars retro native be more or less angry than a

direct

> > > > mars in

> > > > > > > the same house and sign (let's say in Aries).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Would it be that this native has a deep anger but

delays

> > > > > > expressing it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Shiva

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 3/11/07, dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A retrograde planet attains " Cheshta bala " - one

of

> > the

> > > > six

> > > > > > > > sources

> > > > > > > > > > of shadbala of a planet. Even a debilitated

planet in

> > > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > > > > > motion will attain strength by virtue of its

> > retrograde

> > > > > > motion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Actually retrograde planets indicate past life

> > imprints

> > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > that sector of life indicated by the planet

concerned.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Apart from the above, retrograde planets indicate

> > > > certain

> > > > > > special

> > > > > > > > > > tendencies in the natives concerned. I am listing

> > that

> > > > below:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury retrograde in the natal chart indicates

that

> > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > be highly introspective (to the extent that the

> > native

> > > > may

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > full-

> > > > > > > > > > blown conversations or discussions with an alter-

ego

> > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > themselves in certain cases; this is not a

> > psychopathic

> > > > > > condition

> > > > > > > > > > but a case of hyper-developed conscience or inner

> > > > voice!).

> > > > > > These

> > > > > > > > > > individuals frequently talk to themselves within

> > > > themselves

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > motivate themselves. They show unusual

intelligence

> > with

> > > > > > numbers.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter retrograde gives indomitable will power

to a

> > > > > > > > > > native. " Mission impossible " churns them on to

> > > > challenge;

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > born to take on tasks that others will find

> > unappealing.

> > > > > > This is

> > > > > > > > > > the sign of a potential crusader who dares to

differ

> > and

> > > > > > chalk

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > own path in life. Challenges spur them on. They

> > succeed

> > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > others fail usually. An entrepreneur who buys a

sick

> > > > unit and

> > > > > > > > > > dramatically turns it around to a winning

combination

> > > > within

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > probably will have retrograde Jupiter in natal

chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus retrograde gives unusual or eccentric

tastes

> > for an

> > > > > > > > > > individual. They have unique preferences

especially

> > in

> > > > > > romantic

> > > > > > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mars retrograde signifies the warrior with a

never-

> > say-

> > > > die

> > > > > > > > > > attitude. They possess wonderful equanimity of

mind

> > even

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > their outer expressions may betray their powerful

> > > > emotions.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > a potentially advantageous planetary motion for a

> > > > General or

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > surgeon who have to take instant decisions within

> > > > specified

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > without any tremblings of the heart to spoil

their

> > > > > > calculations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn retrograde gives a loner attitude. Though

the

> > > > person

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > seem to be outwardly gregarious, they live a life

for

> > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > > > within themselves. If other indications in the

chart

> > > > support

> > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > these persons become ascetics in later life

having

> > > > > > understood the

> > > > > > > > > > futility of this material existence.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Apart from this, if an astrologer wants to know

the

> > > > effects

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > or Moon retrograde......what should you

> > > > conclude?......THE

> > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGER HAS TO GET HIS BASICS IN ASTRONOMY

STRONG

> > > > because

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > luminaries Sun and Moon have no retrograde motion

as

> > the

> > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > of planets with respect to the Sun only cause

this

> > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > phenomenon called retrograde motion. Moon being a

> > > > reflection

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > is never retrograde. The nodes are always

retrograde!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic-

> > astrology%

> > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > " Smt. Anju Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > <globalastrologers@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > well, it can be.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Smt. Anju Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > www.globalastrologers.com

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > Pram Chopra

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic-

> > astrology%

> > > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Planets

retrograde-

> > How

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer take???

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anju Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In My Opinion All depends on the star lord of

the

> > > > planet

> > > > > > if it

> > > > > > > > > > is direct retrogration doesn't matter at all.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Prem Chopra

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > www.freewebs.com/pramchopra42

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ju Sharma " <globalastrologers@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > As per my limited knowledge and understanding

of

> > > > astrology;

> > > > > > > > > > > Retrogration of a planet is related with its

> > strength

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > influence over a nativity. If the concerned

planet is

> > > > > > benefic, it

> > > > > > > > > > will have more power to provide benefic results,

if

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > vice-

> > > > > > > > > > versa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Smt. Anju Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > www.globalastrologers.com

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > balkrishnatalele

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic-

> > astrology%

> > > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:43 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Planets retrograde-

How

> > do

> > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > take???

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > OM Shri GANESHA NAMAH:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gurujans,

> > > > > > > > > > > How do an individual judge retrograde planet ,

does

> > he

> > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > > > > > or negative,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Some books suggest, Retrograde planets are in

very

> > > > excited

> > > > > > > > > > state, They

> > > > > > > > > > > give results very sudden and are unpredictable,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Few of them take is negative,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In one of the horoscope I have seen 3

retrograde

> > > > planets in

> > > > > > > > > > LAGNA,

> > > > > > > > > > > and I failed to analysis , I went wrong and

kept on

> > > > moving

> > > > > > > > wrong,

> > > > > > > > > > > I would like to share her data, NO I DON'T WANT

> > > > > > PREDICTION,

> > > > > > > > Just

> > > > > > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > > me know how to judge retrograde planet.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please do let me know, How you will judge this,

> > > > Because her

> > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > lord is Retrograde, still she has VERY GOOD

> > education,

> > > > and

> > > > > > lots

> > > > > > > > > > more...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2-April-1980

> > > > > > > > > > > 16:54

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