Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Hello Ranjanji, Before I state some of my thoughts, this post is in no way meant to offend anyone and are my personal thoughts and opinions. Just as astrologers, readers or any free willed person shares with any audience. It was quite in interesting post with your comments to one of the members, pratosh I believe - the person who had his chart read from Sanjayji. I do end up seeing some rational points in your argument, particularly the spiral effect and how a person cannot get convinced by another astrologer if his first set of readings are negative. I wish to add my few cents, at the very beginning practicing astrology on the web has become more of a game, a game of study, chance and research. Most of the present predictions are based on probability theories such as, if mars was placed there and there in someone's chart then its placement here would suggest a similar fate for the native concerned etc etc. In-fact astrologers, students of astrology or the simple folks in doing such research have been carried to so extreme that sometimes sentimental feelings get hurt (at times mine have too till something else happened). Apparently anyone practicing astrology believes this his or her predictions are perfectly accurate and the tone in which predictions are laid is reflective of nothing more than an over developed ego which sustains hurt if the person seeking a reading objects. Not to say that the person seeking the reading is perfectly right in his place since no one enjoys hearing negativity about themselves. BUT there is a big BUTTT The question stands how many charts amongst all the people in here in-fact in all the vedic astrology forums on the web have been given a positive prediction, or predictions like you will become a millionaire or you will win a very big lottery or you will hold a very high position or heck for that matter you will be the next Lakshmi mittal. Perhaps not many, perhaps statistically speaking not even 0.001% of the 100% of the various charts in various vedic astrological fourms. The reason, well an astrologer knows quite well that his predictions will come resonably accurate (in general) if he were to predict negative than positive, the positive influence might put the reputation of the astrologer at stake. Its human pysch when a person (native) comes with to astrology its most likely because of hardships or problems, and if the astrologer says you will become a millionare in a few years time, it looks unresonable from the astrologer's ego standpoint simply because there is more fun in predicting danger and problems than there is predicting positivity. So there is one reason for all this negative feedback floating around and going into the sprial you talk about. The other thing, we talk about curses, black magic, death life LOL its hilarious because even the best of the prophets and Gurus after seeking a high level of englitnment have failed to realise where a person goes after death. In-fact only the highest of the high have sought true englihntment at which point tihngs like astrology, attachment etc become completely useless. For the rest of the astrology gurus (well many of them make money or charge or seek fame or perhaps have a certain motive attachment in reaching a state of predicting with 100% accurancy) so Id say they are merely humans and humans make serious errors (in which case a native should not really worry about predictions good or bad) ofcourse insults and personal attacks a person should not be targeted using astrology as an avenue. So I suppose we should leave curses, death, what we did in the past life or what we are going to do in the next life to God itself (the hihger intelligence to decide) while we put the best effort on our part. I think dwelling into this business of curses and stuff is a waste of human time. A wise man once said don't waste your time in trying to know God in all entirety cause you will never you are just a human. But work towards knowing him to the best of your abilities and don't mind the part where you cannot know him since you have limits and He does not. And then comes the point of accuracy, many people take it very seriously and take it to their heart (I did too at one point) only to laugh at myself later, because having giving some negative predictions by some serious astrologers they did not come to pass I believe something else about my chart (Ive been practicing astrology for a while myself) and I believed in something else and they believed in something else. What I learned is, that happened what I believed in...there were predictions of death thrown around this and that (while I asked for finances and career haha) and finally today I look back and see Im alive well and kicking, because I believe I would be not because they told I woudln't and thats just a personal example. If all the astrologers were so right, and if doing all the reserach in astrology led to an improvment in the nature of outcome then Im sure in India political parties would keep wiining their elections, share holders would keep getting rich, diasters and calamities would be completely prevented or to a high extent. A budding artist would wear a gemstone and hit it big in the TV or media. All in all india would become super rich and every person would have food and clothing to feed. Heck I'd say everyone would be lakshmi mittal, because after so much research being carried on in astrology, it should have reached a point of close to prefection if not prefection. Well but facts speak something else, the western world is busy making the money, feeding their citizens etc, lakshmi mittal being an indian set up his empire abroad and from his interview in forbes stated that 5 years back he did not even know he is going to be the richest man. Though one thing that resonates in every successful person is the desire to achieve their dreams inspite of all odds and it is that point which makes us human. So to all those folks disspointed with their preditions take heart in knowing that the weather man predicting weather is not always right even when they have satellite images, BJP did not win the elections, india lost the cricket match, Sensex cannot be timed and everyone in india is not a millionare INSPITE of the knoweldge of astrology. So take heart in knowing that the true dedication lies in yourself to achieve what you want. Astrology is something you can treat like any other knoweldge, take some of it and leave the other, but NEVER EVER let it take over your individuality or uniquness or the desire and most importantly the will to succed in life. Its kali yuga and I have not come across very many true Guru's who have a complete disattachment for money, fame, desire or personal motivies and as long as a person is attachted to these things even in the most subtle of ways, Id simply call him a teacher like a college professor and not Guru in the sense - one who dispells darkness by providing light. Because most of the negative preditions are not dispelling darkness but rather propogating a fear, a fear of destiney. How can a man live if he or she fears his own destiney Long post but ahh well worth my time...... Take care Amit P.S That which does not kill us only makes us stronger - Fredrich Nitchez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Dear Amit-ji, Thank you for taking the time to write that thoughtful message which I read with great interest. You raise some very interesting, pertinent and useful points. Here is my simple take on astrology as it is observed today, and not covering all of your points, particularly some of the complex ones: a) You are right, there is an overabundance of expectation and often much of it is not deliberate and some of it at least is assumed -- innocently I hope more often than otherwise... b) Very early during my association with astrology, I was fortunate into running into some very cogent, well-read, extremely rational and verbally-endowed individuals. When they started talking about readings, particularly jyotish readings, I was stricken by the enormous change in their cyber-persona. Their expectations and strong belief almost turned into magical! From a very rational stance, their demeanour turned into the glassy-eyed stare that one expects when someone is approaching an Oracle, perhaps after reading and practicing Carlos Castanada's Shamanistic methods! I shall stop there!! c) Well I won't! It is this same stance that somehow presupposes, expects, demands that an astrologer should have a life without any wrinkles! Why? All astrologers, no matter how experienced are living worldly, human lives. While there are certain religious and spiritual practices necessary and useful -- most of us are also dealing with our own karmas. Does that reduce our qualification as an astrologer? Would you absolutely shun an ophthalmologist who wears glasses? Will you stand up and walk away from the operation table if the world- famous orthopaedic surgeon, the only one who knows how to fix your bone tumour approaches the operating table with a slight limp? Would one absolutely refuse to be delivered by an obstetrician who is barren or not a mother yet? Would I not let a mechanic work on my car if his means of transport is a bicycle? The list goes on! d) I disagree with you that somehow internet-astrology has become a game, in anyway significantly more so than as it was practiced conventionally. Internet just makes it more frequent and more publicly visible. The ratio of + : - has really not changed that much -- only the 'documentation' has. Internet has its useful purpose in the life of a jyotishi, beginner and advanced as elaborated in " Internet Jyotish -- silicon snake oil ... " article recently in EST. We judge too harshly and often too hurriedly! e) There are a lot of 'testers' and closet-sceptics (veiled sceptics) that abound in the internet realm which contrary to popular myths does not represent a sampling or cross section of general public, but is a skewed group with a statistical bias. There are a few clear indicators in horoscopes that can help one steer clear of such individuals who are not serious or sincere about their expressed need for a reading or the purpose behind it. I am not talking specifically about the current instance, but in general and simply based on my personal observations and experiences. I shall leave it at that! Please note that my response has not been offered to defend Jyotish or Jyotishis or even the worldview of reality. All three are way beyond this simple lifeform that pens these words. Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , " planck12 " <planck12 wrote: > > Hello Ranjanji, > > Before I state some of my thoughts, this post is in no way meant to > offend anyone and are my personal thoughts and opinions. Just as > astrologers, readers or any free willed person shares with any audience. > > It was quite in interesting post with your comments to one of the > members, pratosh I believe - the person who had his chart read from > Sanjayji. I do end up seeing some rational points in your argument, > particularly the spiral effect and how a person cannot get convinced > by another astrologer if his first set of readings are negative. > > I wish to add my few cents, at the very beginning practicing astrology > on the web has become more of a game, a game of study, chance and > research. Most of the present predictions are based on probability > theories such as, if mars was placed there and there in someone's > chart then its placement here would suggest a similar fate for the > native concerned etc etc. In-fact astrologers, students of astrology > or the simple folks in doing such research have been carried to so > extreme that sometimes sentimental feelings get hurt (at times mine > have too till something else happened). Apparently anyone practicing > astrology believes this his or her predictions are perfectly accurate > and the tone in which predictions are laid is reflective of nothing > more than an over developed ego which sustains hurt if the person > seeking a reading objects. Not to say that the person seeking the > reading is perfectly right in his place since no one enjoys hearing > negativity about themselves. BUT there is a big BUTTT > > The question stands how many charts amongst all the people in here > in-fact in all the vedic astrology forums on the web have been given a > positive prediction, or predictions like you will become a millionaire > or you will win a very big lottery or you will hold a very high > position or heck for that matter you will be the next Lakshmi mittal. > Perhaps not many, perhaps statistically speaking not even 0.001% of > the 100% of the various charts in various vedic astrological fourms. > The reason, well an astrologer knows quite well that his predictions > will come resonably accurate (in general) if he were to predict > negative than positive, the positive influence might put the > reputation of the astrologer at stake. > > Its human pysch when a person (native) comes with to astrology its > most likely because of hardships or problems, and if the astrologer > says you will become a millionare in a few years time, it looks > unresonable from the astrologer's ego standpoint simply because there > is more fun in predicting danger and problems than there is predicting > positivity. So there is one reason for all this negative feedback > floating around and going into the sprial you talk about. > > The other thing, we talk about curses, black magic, death life LOL its > hilarious because even the best of the prophets and Gurus after > seeking a high level of englitnment have failed to realise where a > person goes after death. In-fact only the highest of the high have > sought true englihntment at which point tihngs like astrology, > attachment etc become completely useless. For the rest of the > astrology gurus (well many of them make money or charge or seek fame > or perhaps have a certain motive attachment in reaching a state of > predicting with 100% accurancy) so Id say they are merely humans and > humans make serious errors (in which case a native should not really > worry about predictions good or bad) ofcourse insults and personal > attacks a person should not be targeted using astrology as an avenue. > > So I suppose we should leave curses, death, what we did in the past > life or what we are going to do in the next life to God itself (the > hihger intelligence to decide) while we put the best effort on our > part. I think dwelling into this business of curses and stuff is a > waste of human time. A wise man once said don't waste your time in > trying to know God in all entirety cause you will never you are just a > human. But work towards knowing him to the best of your abilities and > don't mind the part where you cannot know him since you have limits > and He does not. > > And then comes the point of accuracy, many people take it very > seriously and take it to their heart (I did too at one point) only to > laugh at myself later, because having giving some negative predictions > by some serious astrologers they did not come to pass I believe > something else about my chart (Ive been practicing astrology for a > while myself) and I believed in something else and they believed in > something else. What I learned is, that happened what I believed > in...there were predictions of death thrown around this and that > (while I asked for finances and career haha) and finally today I look > back and see Im alive well and kicking, because I believe I would be > not because they told I woudln't and thats just a personal example. > > If all the astrologers were so right, and if doing all the reserach in > astrology led to an improvment in the nature of outcome then Im sure > in India political parties would keep wiining their elections, share > holders would keep getting rich, diasters and calamities would be > completely prevented or to a high extent. A budding artist would wear > a gemstone and hit it big in the TV or media. All in all india would > become super rich and every person would have food and clothing to > feed. Heck I'd say everyone would be lakshmi mittal, because after so > much research being carried on in astrology, it should have reached a > point of close to prefection if not prefection. > > Well but facts speak something else, the western world is busy making > the money, feeding their citizens etc, lakshmi mittal being an indian > set up his empire abroad and from his interview in forbes stated that > 5 years back he did not even know he is going to be the richest man. > Though one thing that resonates in every successful person is the > desire to achieve their dreams inspite of all odds and it is that > point which makes us human. > > So to all those folks disspointed with their preditions take heart in > knowing that the weather man predicting weather is not always right > even when they have satellite images, BJP did not win the elections, > india lost the cricket match, Sensex cannot be timed and everyone in > india is not a millionare INSPITE of the knoweldge of astrology. So > take heart in knowing that the true dedication lies in yourself to > achieve what you want. Astrology is something you can treat like any > other knoweldge, take some of it and leave the other, but NEVER EVER > let it take over your individuality or uniquness or the desire and > most importantly the will to succed in life. Its kali yuga and I have > not come across very many true Guru's who have a complete > disattachment for money, fame, desire or personal motivies and as long > as a person is attachted to these things even in the most subtle of > ways, Id simply call him a teacher like a college professor and not > Guru in the sense - one who dispells darkness by providing light. > Because most of the negative preditions are not dispelling darkness > but rather propogating a fear, a fear of destiney. How can a man live > if he or she fears his own destiney > > > > Long post but ahh well worth my time...... > > Take care > > Amit > > P.S That which does not kill us only makes us stronger - Fredrich Nitchez > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Dear Ranjanji, I appreciate the fact that you considered my post as meaningful and that you have given it an unbiased approach that not many astrologers out there are willing to give (I hope you agree with that) they would consider it a black/white situation weather either I am for astrology or against it, something that is not justified. Again I agree with your well put points about impulsively and quickly judging astrologers and perhaps their predictions. But I am not too sure if you would agree with me on the fact that astrology is such a subject where even the higher authorities (rishis who have composed the various treaties differ)as an example, the placement of saturn or mars is seen badly in 6th (there are cases where BHPS states malefic in 6th are good since its an upachaya house) yet I have come across cases where astrologers have claimed based on BHPS that for an aries acendent mars in 6th virgo becomes weak. Yet, we have Bhrigu Sutras where this same mars in 6th or in virgo is still given a powerful status. Or lets say the concept of Bhadkesh. In aries acedent 11th house being badkesh if saturn is placed in 6th (it gives a meaningful picture to assume and logically reasno that badkesh gets weak in 6th) yet saturn also rules 10th and 11th houses which signify career and gain. What I am trying to state is that various astrological verses take on the meaning of the intrepeter (reducing reproducibility) just an anology that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, to me ashwairya is not good looking to many out there she is the most beautiful. Same goes with astrology making it un-reproducible. On the topic of medical cases you mentioned, I must admit that even though medicine is not the answer to logetivity it still holds more reproduciblity than astrology as a science. For instance asprin will reduce stroke or that chemotherapy will cure a majority of the people with certain cancer. While the skeptic can argue that there would be 1001 case which fails, I say sure, that will happen with any form of knoweldge since knowledge is not absolute or its not truth, its a means to truth. Though with science there is more reproduciblity and one can put more faith (again there are limitations as I said and its not as simple as black and white) The other thing I see with the way astrology interfer's (if I may call it so) is by blocking the self will of a person (if the person is not able to keep himself distinct and take the predictions all at heart and face value, hence they say perhaps its for the prepared soul) I think as humans we can effecivetly logic and rational out what we need to understand in a reading. But somehow astrology hyponotizes the person if I may say so into believe that it will happen. I think simply because the astrologer can rational out certain past trends to convience a native that the future is equally viable. But this is not the case, Ive personally exprienced. Past is something that even God cannot change, so whatever predictions are made regarding the past can be true because we cannot excerise free will what has happened has already happend. But with the future we can excersise much free will and change the course, only if we can keep our self disattached from the prediction per se. So listen to everything, predictions of all sorts and whatever someone has to say, and put forth a few questions (if you are familiar in astrology yourself) and then based on those answers make a decision of what you want and what you don't. In the end, what I have come to learn is (atleast in mycase) the best predictions about a person can be made by the the person himself (though many might not agree and give the example of a doc being unable to operate on himself or a lawyer not being able to fight a case of his own family etc) but keep those aside I feel astrology is one thing (like yoga, like meditation, like englitnment)which needs to be learned by a person himself and make his own prediction since he himself knows his soul and indentity better than the rest. But I suppose its easier said than done once a person is trapped in the so called spiral as you put it cheers Amit vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Dear Amit-ji, > > Thank you for taking the time to write that thoughtful message which > I read with great interest. You raise some very interesting, > pertinent and useful points. Here is my simple take on astrology as > it is observed today, and not covering all of your points, > particularly some of the complex ones: > > a) You are right, there is an overabundance of expectation and often > much of it is not deliberate and some of it at least is assumed -- > innocently I hope more often than otherwise... > > b) Very early during my association with astrology, I was fortunate > into running into some very cogent, well-read, extremely rational and > verbally-endowed individuals. When they started talking about > readings, particularly jyotish readings, I was stricken by the > enormous change in their cyber-persona. Their expectations and strong > belief almost turned into magical! From a very rational stance, their > demeanour turned into the glassy-eyed stare that one expects when > someone is approaching an Oracle, perhaps after reading and > practicing Carlos Castanada's Shamanistic methods! I shall stop > there!! > > c) Well I won't! It is this same stance that somehow presupposes, > expects, demands that an astrologer should have a life without any > wrinkles! Why? All astrologers, no matter how experienced are living > worldly, human lives. While there are certain religious and spiritual > practices necessary and useful -- most of us are also dealing with > our own karmas. Does that reduce our qualification as an astrologer? > Would you absolutely shun an ophthalmologist who wears glasses? Will > you stand up and walk away from the operation table if the world- > famous orthopaedic surgeon, the only one who knows how to fix your > bone tumour approaches the operating table with a slight limp? Would > one absolutely refuse to be delivered by an obstetrician who is > barren or not a mother yet? Would I not let a mechanic work on my car > if his means of transport is a bicycle? The list goes on! > > d) I disagree with you that somehow internet-astrology has become a > game, in anyway significantly more so than as it was practiced > conventionally. Internet just makes it more frequent and more > publicly visible. The ratio of + : - has really not changed that > much -- only the 'documentation' has. Internet has its useful purpose > in the life of a jyotishi, beginner and advanced as elaborated > in " Internet Jyotish -- silicon snake oil ... " article recently in > EST. We judge too harshly and often too hurriedly! > > e) There are a lot of 'testers' and closet-sceptics (veiled sceptics) > that abound in the internet realm which contrary to popular myths > does not represent a sampling or cross section of general public, but > is a skewed group with a statistical bias. There are a few clear > indicators in horoscopes that can help one steer clear of such > individuals who are not serious or sincere about their expressed need > for a reading or the purpose behind it. I am not talking specifically > about the current instance, but in general and simply based on my > personal observations and experiences. I shall leave it at that! > > > Please note that my response has not been offered to defend Jyotish > or Jyotishis or even the worldview of reality. All three are way > beyond this simple lifeform that pens these words. > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology , " planck12 " <planck12@> > wrote: > > > > Hello Ranjanji, > > > > Before I state some of my thoughts, this post is in no way meant to > > offend anyone and are my personal thoughts and opinions. Just as > > astrologers, readers or any free willed person shares with any > audience. > > > > It was quite in interesting post with your comments to one of the > > members, pratosh I believe - the person who had his chart read from > > Sanjayji. I do end up seeing some rational points in your argument, > > particularly the spiral effect and how a person cannot get convinced > > by another astrologer if his first set of readings are negative. > > > > I wish to add my few cents, at the very beginning practicing > astrology > > on the web has become more of a game, a game of study, chance and > > research. Most of the present predictions are based on probability > > theories such as, if mars was placed there and there in someone's > > chart then its placement here would suggest a similar fate for the > > native concerned etc etc. In-fact astrologers, students of astrology > > or the simple folks in doing such research have been carried to so > > extreme that sometimes sentimental feelings get hurt (at times mine > > have too till something else happened). Apparently anyone practicing > > astrology believes this his or her predictions are perfectly > accurate > > and the tone in which predictions are laid is reflective of nothing > > more than an over developed ego which sustains hurt if the person > > seeking a reading objects. Not to say that the person seeking the > > reading is perfectly right in his place since no one enjoys hearing > > negativity about themselves. BUT there is a big BUTTT > > > > The question stands how many charts amongst all the people in here > > in-fact in all the vedic astrology forums on the web have been > given a > > positive prediction, or predictions like you will become a > millionaire > > or you will win a very big lottery or you will hold a very high > > position or heck for that matter you will be the next Lakshmi > mittal. > > Perhaps not many, perhaps statistically speaking not even 0.001% of > > the 100% of the various charts in various vedic astrological fourms. > > The reason, well an astrologer knows quite well that his predictions > > will come resonably accurate (in general) if he were to predict > > negative than positive, the positive influence might put the > > reputation of the astrologer at stake. > > > > Its human pysch when a person (native) comes with to astrology its > > most likely because of hardships or problems, and if the astrologer > > says you will become a millionare in a few years time, it looks > > unresonable from the astrologer's ego standpoint simply because > there > > is more fun in predicting danger and problems than there is > predicting > > positivity. So there is one reason for all this negative feedback > > floating around and going into the sprial you talk about. > > > > The other thing, we talk about curses, black magic, death life LOL > its > > hilarious because even the best of the prophets and Gurus after > > seeking a high level of englitnment have failed to realise where a > > person goes after death. In-fact only the highest of the high have > > sought true englihntment at which point tihngs like astrology, > > attachment etc become completely useless. For the rest of the > > astrology gurus (well many of them make money or charge or seek fame > > or perhaps have a certain motive attachment in reaching a state of > > predicting with 100% accurancy) so Id say they are merely humans and > > humans make serious errors (in which case a native should not really > > worry about predictions good or bad) ofcourse insults and personal > > attacks a person should not be targeted using astrology as an > avenue. > > > > So I suppose we should leave curses, death, what we did in the past > > life or what we are going to do in the next life to God itself (the > > hihger intelligence to decide) while we put the best effort on our > > part. I think dwelling into this business of curses and stuff is a > > waste of human time. A wise man once said don't waste your time in > > trying to know God in all entirety cause you will never you are > just a > > human. But work towards knowing him to the best of your abilities > and > > don't mind the part where you cannot know him since you have limits > > and He does not. > > > > And then comes the point of accuracy, many people take it very > > seriously and take it to their heart (I did too at one point) only > to > > laugh at myself later, because having giving some negative > predictions > > by some serious astrologers they did not come to pass I believe > > something else about my chart (Ive been practicing astrology for a > > while myself) and I believed in something else and they believed in > > something else. What I learned is, that happened what I believed > > in...there were predictions of death thrown around this and that > > (while I asked for finances and career haha) and finally today I > look > > back and see Im alive well and kicking, because I believe I would be > > not because they told I woudln't and thats just a personal example. > > > > If all the astrologers were so right, and if doing all the reserach > in > > astrology led to an improvment in the nature of outcome then Im sure > > in India political parties would keep wiining their elections, share > > holders would keep getting rich, diasters and calamities would be > > completely prevented or to a high extent. A budding artist would > wear > > a gemstone and hit it big in the TV or media. All in all india would > > become super rich and every person would have food and clothing to > > feed. Heck I'd say everyone would be lakshmi mittal, because after > so > > much research being carried on in astrology, it should have reached > a > > point of close to prefection if not prefection. > > > > Well but facts speak something else, the western world is busy > making > > the money, feeding their citizens etc, lakshmi mittal being an > indian > > set up his empire abroad and from his interview in forbes stated > that > > 5 years back he did not even know he is going to be the richest man. > > Though one thing that resonates in every successful person is the > > desire to achieve their dreams inspite of all odds and it is that > > point which makes us human. > > > > So to all those folks disspointed with their preditions take heart > in > > knowing that the weather man predicting weather is not always right > > even when they have satellite images, BJP did not win the elections, > > india lost the cricket match, Sensex cannot be timed and everyone in > > india is not a millionare INSPITE of the knoweldge of astrology. So > > take heart in knowing that the true dedication lies in yourself to > > achieve what you want. Astrology is something you can treat like any > > other knoweldge, take some of it and leave the other, but NEVER EVER > > let it take over your individuality or uniquness or the desire and > > most importantly the will to succed in life. Its kali yuga and I > have > > not come across very many true Guru's who have a complete > > disattachment for money, fame, desire or personal motivies and as > long > > as a person is attachted to these things even in the most subtle of > > ways, Id simply call him a teacher like a college professor and not > > Guru in the sense - one who dispells darkness by providing light. > > Because most of the negative preditions are not dispelling darkness > > but rather propogating a fear, a fear of destiney. How can a man > live > > if he or she fears his own destiney > > > > > > > > Long post but ahh well worth my time...... > > > > Take care > > > > Amit > > > > P.S That which does not kill us only makes us stronger - Fredrich > Nitchez > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Amit, Your message is really thoughtful.for example Badhakesh concept is most controversial & FEW PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD (THOUGH THEY HAVE FORMED INTO A GROUP, & THE GROUP IS NAMED AFTER A DEITY IN INDIA) & THEY SEEM TO ANALYSE EVERYTHING THROUGH BADHAKESH. ONCE I ATTACKED THAT GROUP, BY GIVING THE CHART OF RAVINDRANATH TAGORE IN A GROUP. THEY GAVE SOME COOKED PREDICTIONS, WHICH HOWEVER WAS INCORRECT. I EXPLAINED TO THEM WHY MERCURY ANTARDASAS HAD BEEN FRUITFUL TO RAVINDRANATH TAGOE INSPITE MERCURY BEING THE BADHAKESH FOR MEEN LAGNA, THEN THEY TRIED TO COOK SOME FEW SLOKAS & AGAIN PROVED THEMSELVES!! THIS IS NOTHING FOOLING THEMSELVES & SATISFYING THEMSELVES. Classics tell that combusted planets give bad results...but in actual life???not exactly, i have got few clues why it shld give good results, in certain conditions, but my research is still on, i may not share the results after the research work is done, as it might fall into quacks, who are more in number in this field, but can slightly indicate in some of my articles in future. Thanq, (Any offline consultation is chargeable) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Gaurav, Your Guru Ramdasji is also in this organization You offended. Understanding Badhakesh is not so easy. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa.com napisa?(a): > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > Dear Amit, > Your message is really thoughtful.for example Badhakesh concept is > most controversial & FEW PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD (THOUGH THEY HAVE FORMED > INTO A GROUP, & THE GROUP IS NAMED AFTER A DEITY IN INDIA) & THEY SEEM > TO ANALYSE EVERYTHING THROUGH BADHAKESH. > ONCE I ATTACKED THAT GROUP, BY GIVING THE CHART OF RAVINDRANATH TAGORE > IN A GROUP. THEY GAVE SOME COOKED PREDICTIONS, WHICH HOWEVER WAS > INCORRECT. I EXPLAINED TO THEM WHY MERCURY ANTARDASAS HAD BEEN > FRUITFUL TO RAVINDRANATH TAGOE INSPITE MERCURY BEING THE BADHAKESH FOR > MEEN LAGNA, THEN THEY TRIED TO COOK SOME FEW SLOKAS & AGAIN PROVED > THEMSELVES!! > THIS IS NOTHING FOOLING THEMSELVES & SATISFYING THEMSELVES. > Classics tell that combusted planets give bad results...but in actual > life???not exactly, i have got few clues why it shld give good > results, in certain conditions, but my research is still on, i may not > share the results after the research work is done, as it might fall > into quacks, who are more in number in this field, but can slightly > indicate in some of my articles in future. > Thanq, > > (Any offline consultation is chargeable) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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