Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance besides bestowing some Chest-Bala? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear Vic, //In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?// To give the 'grey matter' a bit of a break, let me just quote from James Braha: *Perhaps the most important point to be mentioned concerns the weakening effect a retrograde planet has on the house/s it rules. This must not be underestimated for it affects those house significations in a very recognizable way. For example, if the lord of the 1st house is retrograde the person may greatly lack confidence or self-esteem. And gaining any kind of recognition or fame will be difficult if not impossible unless there are other contrary indications. As another example, if the ruler of the 5th house were retrograde, there would be very few children. In this fashion retrogrades have their influence.* Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:30 AM Retrograde In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance besides bestowing some Chest-Bala? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 PS: It goes without saying, of course, that we need (always) to consider the placement/strength of bhava karaka before coming to any firm conclusion. ___ Dear Vic, //In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?// To give the 'grey matter' a bit of a break, let me just quote from James Braha: *Perhaps the most important point to be mentioned concerns the weakening effect a retrograde planet has on the house/s it rules. This must not be underestimated for it affects those house significations in a very recognizable way. For example, if the lord of the 1st house is retrograde the person may greatly lack confidence or self-esteem. And gaining any kind of recognition or fame will be difficult if not impossible unless there are other contrary indications. As another example, if the ruler of the 5th house were retrograde, there would be very few children. In this fashion retrogrades have their influence.* Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Thank you wendy, this information is SO interesting and helpful!!! On May 28, 2008, at 2:22 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > //In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance > besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?// > > To give the 'grey matter' a bit of a break, let me just quote from > James > Braha: > > *Perhaps the most important point to be mentioned concerns the > weakening > effect a retrograde planet has on the house/s it rules. This must > not be > underestimated for it affects those house significations in a very > recognizable way. For example, if the lord of the 1st house is > retrograde > the person may greatly lack confidence or self-esteem. And gaining any > kind of recognition or fame will be difficult if not impossible unless > there are other contrary indications. As another example, if the > ruler of > the 5th house were retrograde, there would be very few children. In > this > fashion retrogrades have their influence.* > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:30 AM > Retrograde > > In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance > besides bestowing some Chest-Bala? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies? Thanks, Vic On May 28, 2008, at 2:22 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > //In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance > besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?// > > To give the 'grey matter' a bit of a break, let me just quote from > James > Braha: > > *Perhaps the most important point to be mentioned concerns the > weakening > effect a retrograde planet has on the house/s it rules. This must > not be > underestimated for it affects those house significations in a very > recognizable way. For example, if the lord of the 1st house is > retrograde > the person may greatly lack confidence or self-esteem. And gaining any > kind of recognition or fame will be difficult if not impossible unless > there are other contrary indications. As another example, if the > ruler of > the 5th house were retrograde, there would be very few children. In > this > fashion retrogrades have their influence.* > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:30 AM > Retrograde > > In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance > besides bestowing some Chest-Bala? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Dear Vic, //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the house(s) it rules.// I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on recorded/written conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M. Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his later works :-( //What about the house it occupies?// The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect, evasive and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra (retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.* The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional strength (in a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of course, that the significations of that planet will have a marked influence, for better or worse, on the bhava it occupies. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM Re: Retrograde Dear Mrs. Wendy, Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies? Thanks, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Dear Ms.Wendy, I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg, Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc) Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations Thanks jyotish-vidya , EagleEye Trader <eagleeyetrades wrote: > > Hi Vic, Wendy > There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on the surface of the sun, and > the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the various planets are. > Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission from Sun and their directon. > A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in some particular direction. > I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused normally had it not been vakri. > In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun.. > Thus the importance of Sun. > Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth. > > Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart. > Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome. > Rajeev > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya > jyotish-vidya > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM > Re: Retrograde > > Dear Vic, > > //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the > house(s) it rules.// > > I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology for > the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on recorded/written > conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M. > Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His > following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend > Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his later > works :-( > > //What about the house it occupies?// > > The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect, evasive > and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm > *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): > Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra > (retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde > motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda > (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous > mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), > Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated > motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, > 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.* > > The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional strength (in > a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of course, > that the significations of that planet will have a marked influence, for > better or worse, on the bhava it occupies. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM > Re: Retrograde > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the > house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies? > > Thanks, > Vic > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Hi Anjana What I have read is that retrograde planets give effects in reverse order. Say in some dasha some planet was to give results in a, b, c, d, e sequence, it would tend to give in e, d, c, b, a order if it was retrograde. I think I read the above in brihatParasharHoraShastra e book. Experienced members can throw light. Regards Rajeev anjana_hv <anjana_hv jyotish-vidya Thursday, 29 May, 2008 9:17:23 PM Re: Retrograde Dear Ms.Wendy, I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg, Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc) Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations Thanks jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Vic, Wendy > There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on the surface of the sun, and > the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the various planets are. > Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission from Sun and their directon. > A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in some particular direction. > I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused normally had it not been vakri. > In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun.. > Thus the importance of Sun. > Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth. > > Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart. > Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome. > Rajeev > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ ...> > jyotish-vidya > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM > Re: Retrograde > > Dear Vic, > > //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the > house(s) it rules.// > > I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology for > the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on recorded/written > conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M. > Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His > following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend > Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his later > works :-( > > //What about the house it occupies?// > > The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect, evasive > and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya .com/ch27. htm > *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): > Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra > (retrogression) , Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde > motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda > (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous > mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), > Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated > motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, > 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.* > > The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional strength (in > a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of course, > that the significations of that planet will have a marked influence, for > better or worse, on the bhava it occupies. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya .com > ____________ _________ _________ _______ > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara@. ..> > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM > Re: Retrograde > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the > house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies? > > Thanks, > Vic > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Hello All, Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they own... *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* Thanks, Vic On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:11 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote: > Hi Anjana > What I have read is that retrograde planets give effects in reverse > order. > Say in some dasha some planet was to give results in a, b, c, d, e > sequence, > it would tend to give in e, d, c, b, a order if it was retrograde. > I think I read the above in brihatParasharHoraShastra e book. > Experienced members can throw light. > Regards > Rajeev > > > anjana_hv <anjana_hv > jyotish-vidya > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 9:17:23 PM > Re: Retrograde > > Dear Ms.Wendy, > > I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results > according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg, > Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc) > > Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations > > Thanks > > jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader > <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi Vic, Wendy > > There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on > the surface of the sun, and > > the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the > various planets are. > > Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission > from Sun and their directon. > > A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or > slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in > some particular direction. > > I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to > produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused > normally had it not been vakri. > > In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting > earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun.. > > Thus the importance of Sun. > > Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth. > > > > Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart. > > Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome. > > Rajeev > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ ...> > > jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM > > Re: Retrograde > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting > the > > house(s) it rules.// > > > > I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology > for > > the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on > recorded/written > > conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M. > > Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His > > following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend > > Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his > later > > works :-( > > > > //What about the house it occupies?// > > > > The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect, > evasive > > and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya .com/ch27. htm > > *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): > > Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra > > (retrogression) , Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde > > motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda > > (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the > previous > > mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against > Manda), > > Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in > accelerated > > motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, > 15, > > 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.* > > > > The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional > strength (in > > a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of > course, > > that the significations of that planet will have a marked > influence, for > > better or worse, on the bhava it occupies. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > ____________ _________ _________ _______ > > > > > > - > > " Vic D " <vicdicara@. ..> > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM > > Re: Retrograde > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting > the > > house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies? > > > > Thanks, > > Vic > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Vic ji, Namaste, You may recall, I have retro- shani in 11H as lord of 2H,3H, and aspects lagna, 5H and 8H.. During rahu-shani mercury period.. completed a masters degree linked to work/occupation.. Mercury 7H and 10H lord. During rahu-shani-jupiter period.. moved into a bigger house.(more loan money-jupiter in 8H) Jupiter lord of lagna and 4H. During this period I gave up my paid employment. Financially rahu-shani period was good.. No malefic effects on children or on my health.. warmest regards sheevani jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Hello All, > > Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they own... > *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > Thanks, > Vic > > > On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:11 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote: > > > Hi Anjana > > What I have read is that retrograde planets give effects in reverse > > order. > > Say in some dasha some planet was to give results in a, b, c, d, e > > sequence, > > it would tend to give in e, d, c, b, a order if it was retrograde. > > I think I read the above in brihatParasharHoraShastra e book. > > Experienced members can throw light. > > Regards > > Rajeev > > > > > > anjana_hv <anjana_hv > > jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 9:17:23 PM > > Re: Retrograde > > > > Dear Ms.Wendy, > > > > I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results > > according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg, > > Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc) > > > > Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations > > > > Thanks > > > > jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader > > <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Vic, Wendy > > > There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on > > the surface of the sun, and > > > the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the > > various planets are. > > > Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission > > from Sun and their directon. > > > A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or > > slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in > > some particular direction. > > > I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to > > produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused > > normally had it not been vakri. > > > In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting > > earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun.. > > > Thus the importance of Sun. > > > Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth. > > > > > > Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart. > > > Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome. > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ ...> > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM > > > Re: Retrograde > > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting > > the > > > house(s) it rules.// > > > > > > I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology > > for > > > the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on > > recorded/written > > > conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M. > > > Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His > > > following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend > > > Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his > > later > > > works :-( > > > > > > //What about the house it occupies?// > > > > > > The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect, > > evasive > > > and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya .com/ch27. htm > > > *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): > > > Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra > > > (retrogression) , Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde > > > motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda > > > (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the > > previous > > > mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against > > Manda), > > > Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in > > accelerated > > > motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, > > 15, > > > 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.* > > > > > > The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional > > strength (in > > > a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of > > course, > > > that the significations of that planet will have a marked > > influence, for > > > better or worse, on the bhava it occupies. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > ____________ _________ _________ _______ > > > > > > > > > - > > > " Vic D " <vicdicara@ ..> > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > > Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM > > > Re: Retrograde > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > > > Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting > > the > > > house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Retrograde planets indicate a latent or pasive energy, the planet retrograde status does not indicate that the planet is aflicted. But it can help or hurt the house depending in the benefic or malefic nature of the planet. & nbsp; --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Vic D & lt;vicdicara & gt; wrote: Vic D & lt;vicdicara & gt; Re: Re: Retrograde " Jyotish Vidya " & lt;jyotish-vidya & gt; Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 11:12 AM Hello All, Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they own... *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* Thanks, Vic On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:11 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote: & gt; Hi Anjana & gt; What I have read is that retrograde planets give effects in reverse & gt; order. & gt; Say in some dasha some planet was to give results in a, b, c, d, e & gt; sequence, & gt; it would tend to give in e, d, c, b, a order if it was retrograde. & gt; I think I read the above in brihatParasharHoraShastra e book. & gt; Experienced members can throw light. & gt; Regards & gt; Rajeev & gt; & gt; & gt; anjana_hv & lt;anjana_hv & gt; & gt; jyotish-vidya & gt; Thursday, 29 May, 2008 9:17:23 PM & gt; Re: Retrograde & gt; & gt; Dear Ms.Wendy, & gt; & gt; I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results & gt; according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg, & gt; Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc) & gt; & gt; Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations & gt; & gt; Thanks & gt; & gt; jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader & gt; & lt;eagleeyetrades@ ... & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Hi Vic, Wendy & gt; & gt; There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on & gt; the surface of the sun, and & gt; & gt; the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the & gt; various planets are. & gt; & gt; Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission & gt; from Sun and their directon. & gt; & gt; A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or & gt; slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in & gt; some particular direction. & gt; & gt; I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to & gt; produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused & gt; normally had it not been vakri. & gt; & gt; In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting & gt; earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun.. & gt; & gt; Thus the importance of Sun. & gt; & gt; Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart. & gt; & gt; Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome. & gt; & gt; Rajeev & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Wendy Vasicek & lt;jyotishvidya@ ... & gt; & gt; & gt; jyotish-vidya & gt; & gt; Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM & gt; & gt; Re: Retrograde & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Dear Vic, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting & gt; the & gt; & gt; house(s) it rules.// & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology & gt; for & gt; & gt; the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on & gt; recorded/written & gt; & gt; conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M. & gt; & gt; Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His & gt; & gt; following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend & gt; & gt; Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his & gt; later & gt; & gt; works :-( & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; //What about the house it occupies?// & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect, & gt; evasive & gt; & gt; and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya .com/ch27. htm & gt; & gt; *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): & gt; & gt; Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra & gt; & gt; (retrogression) , Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde & gt; & gt; motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda & gt; & gt; (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the & gt; previous & gt; & gt; mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against & gt; Manda), & gt; & gt; Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in & gt; accelerated & gt; & gt; motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, & gt; 15, & gt; & gt; 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.* & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional & gt; strength (in & gt; & gt; a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of & gt; course, & gt; & gt; that the significations of that planet will have a marked & gt; influence, for & gt; & gt; better or worse, on the bhava it occupies. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Best Wishes, & gt; & gt; Mrs. Wendy & gt; & gt; http://JyotishVidya .com & gt; & gt; ____________ _________ _________ _______ & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; - & gt; & gt; " Vic D " & lt;vicdicara@. .. & gt; & gt; & gt; & lt;jyotish-vidya & gt; & gt; & gt; Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM & gt; & gt; Re: Retrograde & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Dear Mrs. Wendy, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting & gt; the & gt; & gt; house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies? & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thanks, & gt; & gt; Vic & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ------------ --------- --------- ------ & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dear Vic, " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure. Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying agency in this respect. For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his list of priorities " .. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. =========================================================== jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Hello All, > > Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they own... > *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > Thanks, > Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Hi Ravindramani Very interesting post from you.!! A few quries for clarification. Lets assume Leo Lagna. Sun in 10H(taurus) and Venus® onjunct mercury in 11th (gemini). In this case venus in retrograde in 11th house, gemini. You said Venus ( R ) Venus ( R ) " material enjoyments are supreme in his list of priorities " Does this priority gets infuenced due to its being in 11H and in gemini? " " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " " Can you explain this line with reference to the above example? What would be " Same Kaakkatwa " and " Another Kawakatwa " in the above case.. " " " The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying agency in this respect. " " " In the above case Sun is in 10H and Venus® in 11H Is this venus going towards 10H or 12H? What about the planet which sits with the Sun, in this case Mercury at a higher degree than sun, this it comes between Sun and Venus® If you can explain with the help of above example or any other example, it would be great. Thanks Regards Rajeev ravindramani <ravindramani jyotish-vidya Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 5:20:19 PM Re: Retrograde Dear Vic, " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure. Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying agency in this respect. For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his list of priorities " . . Regards, C.S. Ravindramani PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= == jyotish-vidya, Vic D <vicdicara@. ..> wrote: > > Hello All, > > Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they own... > *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > Thanks, > Vic Check out the all-new face of India. Go to http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Hi Ravindra I have one chart with me in which 4 planets are retrogrde. Ju Ma Sa Me all retrograde. What would this mean looking it from your email regarding retrogrades.!!! Best Regards Rajeev EagleEye Trader <eagleeyetrades jyotish-vidya Cc: ravindramani Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 6:12:57 PM Re: Re: Retrograde Hi Ravindramani  Very interesting post from you.!!   A few quries for clarification. Lets assume Leo Lagna. Sun in 10H(taurus) and Venus® onjunct mercury in 11th (gemini).   In this case venus in retrograde in 11th house, gemini.   You said Venus ( R ) Venus ( R ) " material enjoyments are supreme in his list of priorities " Does this priority gets infuenced due to its being in 11H and in gemini?   " " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " " Can you explain this line with reference to the above example? What would be " Same Kaakkatwa " and " Another Kawakatwa " in the above case.    " " " The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying agency in this respect. " " " In the above case Sun is in 10H and Venus® in 11H Is this venus going towards 10H or 12H?  What about the planet which sits with the Sun, in this case Mercury at a higher degree than sun, this it comes between Sun and Venus®   If you can explain with the help of above example or any other example, it would be great.   Thanks   Regards Rajeev    ravindramani <ravindramani jyotish-vidya Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 5:20:19 PM Re: Retrograde Dear Vic, " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and that potency is carried forward " now " .. Each planet has varied Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure. Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying agency in this respect. For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his list of priorities " . . Regards, C.S. Ravindramani PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= == jyotish-vidya, Vic D <vicdicara@. ..> wrote: > > Hello All, > > Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they own... > *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > Thanks, > Vic ________________________________ Check out the all-new face of India. Check out the all-new face of India. Go to http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dear Ravindramani, I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you deeply for posting that quote. Yours, Vic On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote: > Dear Vic, > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure. > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of > its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying > agency in this respect. > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his > list of priorities " .. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. > =========================================================== > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they > own... >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* >> >> Thanks, >> Vic > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dear Rajeev, > Lets assume Leo Lagna. Sun in 10H(taurus) and Venus® onjunct > mercury in 11th (gemini). > In this case venus in retrograde in 11th house, gemini. > You said Venus ( R ) Venus ( R ) " material enjoyments are supreme in > his list of priorities " > Does this priority gets infuenced due to its being in 11H and in > gemini? 11th is KAAAM-bhava, and is named " Labha " . It is a place of pleasure and easy gains. Also Venus and mercury in the 11th really gives the indication of one who is gandarva-like. Is it so? > " " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of > its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " " > Can you explain this line with reference to the above example? A person close to me was advised by a respected Jyotishi that she was a frustrated Sanyassi or tyagi in her previous birth. She has Venus retrograde and moving into the sun (combust, only 2 degrees away) in the 3rd house (Leo, she is Gemini Asc). > > " " " The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying > agency in this respect. " " " > > In the above case Sun is in 10H and Venus® in 11H > Is this venus going towards 10H or 12H? Planets progress through the sky. They move from 1º to 2º to 3º, etc. When retrograde they move from 3º to 2º. Thus retrogade venus at 10º 11H is moving towards 9º, 8º etc. trying to get to 29º of 10H > What about the planet which sits with the Sun, in this case Mercury > at a higher degree than sun, > this it comes between Sun and Venus® Not to lose scope and focus on only one principle. A retrograde planet will always have obsticles, especially to the houses that it owns. For example, the person I mentioned above has no planets between Venus and the Sun - yet her music career suffers although she is a brilliantly talented musician, similarly her romantic nature suffered greatly. Additionally, by the new principles that Sriman Ravindramani recently pointed out to us, you may be able to pinpoint the *cause* of the obstacle by the planet(s) betwixt (i love to use that word) the retrograde and the sun. In your case mercury. So perhaps a desire to pursue education is an obstacle to your natives fully realizing her venusian desires? Yours, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth, which the native will/may take to,in this'birth, but which he would have to overcome gradually in time to come, with will power and request of help to God, to gain the grace of the Benevolent planet Jupiter. regards/Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani, > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you deeply for > posting that quote. > > Yours, > Vic > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > Dear Vic, > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure. > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying > > agency in this respect. > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his > > list of priorities " .. > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. > > =========================================================== > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > >> > >> Hello All, > >> > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they > > own... > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Vic > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Hi Vic Somehow, Retrogrades have not been given enough treatment even in BPHS.. The name comes up just 2-3 times. Some text from BPHS ------ 3-4. The effects of the Dashas of the Grahas are in accordance with their strength. The effects of a Grah in the first Dreshkan are realized at the commencement of the Dasha. The Grah in the second Dreshkan makes its effects felt in the middle of the Dasha. The effects of the Grah in the third Dreshkan are experienced at the end of the Dasha. If the Grah is retrograde, these effects would be in the reverse order. The Dasha effects of Rahu and Ketu, who are always retrograde, will always be realized in the reverse order. -------- Ravindramani wrote > " " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of > its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " " > Can you explain this line with reference to the above example? You Wrote A person close to me was advised by a respected Jyotishi that she was a frustrated Sanyassi or tyagi in her previous birth. She has Venus retrograde and moving into the sun (combust, only 2 degrees away) in the 3rd house (Leo, she is Gemini Asc). For example, the person I mentioned above has no planets between Venus and the Sun - yet her music career suffers although she is a brilliantly talented musician, similarly her romantic nature suffered greatly. What you wrote contradicts Ravindramani. Ravindramani implied that past good fruits were obstructed, but this time more of those good fruits would come. Kindly re-check and send a reply. Regards Rajeev Vic D <vicdicara jyotish-vidya Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 10:05:04 PM Re: Re: Retrograde Dear Rajeev, > Lets assume Leo Lagna. Sun in 10H(taurus) and Venus® onjunct > mercury in 11th (gemini). > In this case venus in retrograde in 11th house, gemini. > You said Venus ( R ) Venus ( R ) " material enjoyments are supreme in > his list of priorities " > Does this priority gets infuenced due to its being in 11H and in > gemini? 11th is KAAAM-bhava, and is named " Labha " . It is a place of pleasure and easy gains. Also Venus and mercury in the 11th really gives the indication of one who is gandarva-like. Is it so? > " " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of > its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " " > Can you explain this line with reference to the above example? A person close to me was advised by a respected Jyotishi that she was a frustrated Sanyassi or tyagi in her previous birth. She has Venus retrograde and moving into the sun (combust, only 2 degrees away) in the 3rd house (Leo, she is Gemini Asc). > > " " " The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying > agency in this respect. " " " > > In the above case Sun is in 10H and Venus® in 11H > Is this venus going towards 10H or 12H? Planets progress through the sky. They move from 1º to 2º to 3º, etc. When retrograde they move from 3º to 2º. Thus retrogade venus at 10º 11H is moving towards 9º, 8º etc. trying to get to 29º of 10H > What about the planet which sits with the Sun, in this case Mercury > at a higher degree than sun, > this it comes between Sun and Venus® Not to lose scope and focus on only one principle. A retrograde planet will always have obsticles, especially to the houses that it owns. For example, the person I mentioned above has no planets between Venus and the Sun - yet her music career suffers although she is a brilliantly talented musician, similarly her romantic nature suffered greatly. Additionally, by the new principles that Sriman Ravindramani recently pointed out to us, you may be able to pinpoint the *cause* of the obstacle by the planet(s) betwixt (i love to use that word) the retrograde and the sun. In your case mercury. So perhaps a desire to pursue education is an obstacle to your natives fully realizing her venusian desires? Yours, Vic Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos./groups/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Namaste ji, Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts of persons in very close family/friends circle.. First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years he has been totally sober,, The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted in 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted alcohol.. You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!! regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth, > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth, > but which he would have to overcome gradually > in time to come, with will power and request of > help to God, to gain the grace of the > Benevolent planet Jupiter. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you deeply > for > > posting that quote. > > > > Yours, > > Vic > > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native > had > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet > and > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to > the > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure. > > > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification > of > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth > it > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. > > > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between > the > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or > fructifying > > > agency in this respect. > > > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire > for > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One > with > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic > pursuits > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish > his > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his > > > list of priorities " .. > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello All, > > >> > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they > > > own... > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Namaste, Which is why I mentioned " May " in my reply. It can also be enjoying the pleasures of life, eating, gulping sweets , merry making, trying to be boss etc. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Namaste ji, > > Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts of > persons in very close family/friends circle.. > > First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all > kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long > alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years he > has been totally sober,, > > The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted in > 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted > alcohol.. > > You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!! > > regards > Sheevani > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate > > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth, > > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth, > > but which he would have to overcome gradually > > in time to come, with will power and request of > > help to God, to gain the grace of the > > Benevolent planet Jupiter. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you > deeply > > for > > > posting that quote. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Vic > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native > > had > > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that > planet > > and > > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied > > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to > > the > > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same > > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant > measure. > > > > > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed > fructification > > of > > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current > birth > > it > > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. > > > > > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular > > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no > > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole > > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet > going > > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest > > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between > > the > > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or > > fructifying > > > > agency in this respect. > > > > > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep > desire > > for > > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One > > with > > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic > > pursuits > > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to > establish > > his > > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in > his > > > > list of priorities " .. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on > > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The > article > > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of > Predictive > > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. > > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hello All, > > > >> > > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they > > > > own... > > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Retrograde Planets in Prashna Charts ( Kundlis ), would mean a negative answer to the prashna put up, and if other factors approving, then till the retrograde planet becomes direct, no hope of the realisation of the desire. regards/Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Namaste, > > Which is why I mentioned " May " in my > reply. > > It can also be enjoying the pleasures of life, > eating, gulping sweets , merry making, > trying to be boss etc. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste ji, > > > > Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts > of > > persons in very close family/friends circle.. > > > > First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all > > kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long > > alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years > he > > has been totally sober,, > > > > The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted > in > > 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted > > alcohol.. > > > > You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!! > > > > regards > > Sheevani > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate > > > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth, > > > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth, > > > but which he would have to overcome gradually > > > in time to come, with will power and request of > > > help to God, to gain the grace of the > > > Benevolent planet Jupiter. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you > > deeply > > > for > > > > posting that quote. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the > native > > > had > > > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that > > planet > > > and > > > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied > > > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating > to > > > the > > > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the > same > > > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant > > measure. > > > > > > > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed > > fructification > > > of > > > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current > > birth > > > it > > > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > > > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. > > > > > > > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a > particular > > > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no > > > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole > > > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet > > going > > > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the > highest > > > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets > between > > > the > > > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or > > > fructifying > > > > > agency in this respect. > > > > > > > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep > > desire > > > for > > > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. > One > > > with > > > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic > > > pursuits > > > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to > > establish > > > his > > > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme > in > > his > > > > > list of priorities " .. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on > > > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The > > article > > > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of > > Predictive > > > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. > > > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello All, > > > > >> > > > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they > > > > > own... > > > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Rahu in the 10th, especially in the Navamsha would confirm the natives desires to alcoholic drinks, if also associated with Mars, then doubly confirmed. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Namaste ji, > > Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts of > persons in very close family/friends circle.. > > First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all > kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long > alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years he > has been totally sober,, > > The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted in > 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted > alcohol.. > > You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!! > > regards > Sheevani > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate > > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth, > > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth, > > but which he would have to overcome gradually > > in time to come, with will power and request of > > help to God, to gain the grace of the > > Benevolent planet Jupiter. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you > deeply > > for > > > posting that quote. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Vic > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native > > had > > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that > planet > > and > > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied > > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to > > the > > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same > > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant > measure. > > > > > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed > fructification > > of > > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current > birth > > it > > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. > > > > > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular > > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no > > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole > > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet > going > > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest > > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between > > the > > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or > > fructifying > > > > agency in this respect. > > > > > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep > desire > > for > > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One > > with > > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic > > pursuits > > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to > establish > > his > > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in > his > > > > list of priorities " .. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on > > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The > article > > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of > Predictive > > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. > > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hello All, > > > >> > > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they > > > > own... > > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I have read somewhere that a Retrograde Vargottama Venus, behaves like a Exalted Venus. And also read in the deva keralam, that a Retrograde but debilitated Jupiter would behave like a Exalted Jupiter. retrograde planets are in general not easy for one to judge, how they would behave, perform or result in the natives Life. Grace Inglis in her books has given a good thesis about retrograde planets, how they would behave and mean in general, but the applicability part is missing in all known shastras. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Rahu in the 10th, especially in the Navamsha > would confirm the natives desires to alcoholic drinks, > if also associated with Mars, then doubly confirmed. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste ji, > > > > Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts > of > > persons in very close family/friends circle.. > > > > First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all > > kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long > > alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years > he > > has been totally sober,, > > > > The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted > in > > 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted > > alcohol.. > > > > You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!! > > > > regards > > Sheevani > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate > > > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth, > > > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth, > > > but which he would have to overcome gradually > > > in time to come, with will power and request of > > > help to God, to gain the grace of the > > > Benevolent planet Jupiter. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you > > deeply > > > for > > > > posting that quote. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the > native > > > had > > > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that > > planet > > > and > > > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied > > > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating > to > > > the > > > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the > same > > > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant > > measure. > > > > > > > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed > > fructification > > > of > > > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current > > birth > > > it > > > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > > > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. > > > > > > > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a > particular > > > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no > > > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole > > > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet > > going > > > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the > highest > > > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets > between > > > the > > > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or > > > fructifying > > > > > agency in this respect. > > > > > > > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep > > desire > > > for > > > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. > One > > > with > > > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic > > > pursuits > > > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to > > establish > > > his > > > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme > in > > his > > > > > list of priorities " .. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on > > > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The > > article > > > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of > > Predictive > > > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. > > > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello All, > > > > >> > > > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they > > > > > own... > > > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Thank you Bhaskar ji for highlighting, combinations,, In case of kark lagan person he has lagna vargattama (kark) and neecha shani in 10 H (aries) in D-9. What puzzles me so much about this chart is that all the kendras from lagna are empty of planets,, even shani and mars do not aspect any of the kendra bhavas..!!!! sign placements.. mars, venus ketu in 2H leo, shani, moon, sun , mercury in 3H kanya..rahu in kumbh and R Guru in Meena.. In navamsha, moon(lagna) and shani in kendra(Mesha), ketu remains in 2H,R-guru in 5H, budh-rahu in 8H, sun-mars in 11H and venus in 12H regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Rahu in the 10th, especially in the Navamsha > would confirm the natives desires to alcoholic drinks, > if also associated with Mars, then doubly confirmed. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste ji, > > > > Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts > of > > persons in very close family/friends circle.. > > > > First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all > > kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long > > alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years > he > > has been totally sober,, > > > > The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted > in > > 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted > > alcohol.. > > > > You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!! > > > > regards > > Sheevani > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate > > > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth, > > > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth, > > > but which he would have to overcome gradually > > > in time to come, with will power and request of > > > help to God, to gain the grace of the > > > Benevolent planet Jupiter. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you > > deeply > > > for > > > > posting that quote. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the > native > > > had > > > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that > > planet > > > and > > > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied > > > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating > to > > > the > > > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the > same > > > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant > > measure. > > > > > > > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed > > fructification > > > of > > > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current > > birth > > > it > > > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the > > > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. > > > > > > > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a > particular > > > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no > > > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole > > > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet > > going > > > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the > highest > > > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets > between > > > the > > > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or > > > fructifying > > > > > agency in this respect. > > > > > > > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep > > desire > > > for > > > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. > One > > > with > > > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic > > > pursuits > > > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to > > establish > > > his > > > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme > in > > his > > > > > list of priorities " .. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on > > > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of > > > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The > > article > > > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of > > Predictive > > > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991. > > > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello All, > > > > >> > > > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they > > > > > own... > > > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?* > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Deer Sheevani, One needs to look at the horoscope before reaching a conclusion about any planet. It's a fruitless exercise to declare any retrograde planet will give specific results in all instances. Retrograde planets have been discussed at length here (many times) over the last few years. If you look in the archives for msg #5754 (7 May 2007) you will find the following discourse (pasted below)... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Msg #5754 (7 May 2007) PS: I add here some scriptural reference that might be helpful to members. http://jyotishvidya.com/ch73.htm **21.The effects of the Grahas, moving from their debilitation to exaltation, are full. The effects of the Grahas, moving from their exaltation to debilitation, will be lesser than described above. 22-23. Auspicious and inauspicious effects of all the Grahas are according to the number of rays they possess. The prediction will not be correct without the knowledge of the effects of the rays. Therefore it is imperative, that in the judgment of Rashi Kundalis and declaring results the effects of the number of rays of the Grahas be taken into account.** ____ Dear Krishna, //I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.// The misconception regarding retrograde planets has developed due to several reasons. FIRST: In the below sloka we understand that a planet acquires a certain strength when in retrograde motion. This is understandable when we consider that a retrograde planet is closer to the Earth. However, this doesn't in anyway change the dignity of the planet...a neecha planet in retrograde motion is still neecha. Some people have mistakenly equated the increased retrograde strength to mean increased dignity whereas in fact it simply means the neecha effect is more powerful. Strength due to the planets dignity, and strength due to motion, are two entirely different things. A planet gains or loses dignity (by proxy) due to the strength of its dispositor etc.. http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm 21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN): Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra (retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda), Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15, 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30. SECOND: Retrograde motion needs to be considered in respect to the planet's position relative to its degree of debilitation/exaltation. As we know, a planet increases in strength as it travels towards its degree of exaltation and decreases proportionately as it travels away from it... In a very broad sense, if a planet past its degree of exaltation, turns retrograde, then technically it's travelling back towards it...gaining strength rather than losing it. The same applies in reverse for debilitated planets. This rule applies to all planets wherever they are in the horoscope. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________________ - " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:05 AM Re: Retrograde Namaste ji, Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts of persons in very close family/friends circle.. First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years he has been totally sober,, The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted in 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted alcohol.. You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!! regards Sheevani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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