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Dear Vic,

 

//In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance

besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?//

 

To give the 'grey matter' a bit of a break, let me just quote from James

Braha:

 

*Perhaps the most important point to be mentioned concerns the weakening

effect a retrograde planet has on the house/s it rules. This must not be

underestimated for it affects those house significations in a very

recognizable way. For example, if the lord of the 1st house is retrograde

the person may greatly lack confidence or self-esteem. And gaining any

kind of recognition or fame will be difficult if not impossible unless

there are other contrary indications. As another example, if the ruler of

the 5th house were retrograde, there would be very few children. In this

fashion retrogrades have their influence.*

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

 

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" Vic D " <vicdicara

" Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:30 AM

Retrograde

 

 

In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance

besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?

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PS: It goes without saying, of course, that we need (always) to consider

the placement/strength of bhava karaka before coming to any firm

conclusion.

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Dear Vic,

 

//In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance

besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?//

 

To give the 'grey matter' a bit of a break, let me just quote from James

Braha:

 

*Perhaps the most important point to be mentioned concerns the weakening

effect a retrograde planet has on the house/s it rules. This must not be

underestimated for it affects those house significations in a very

recognizable way. For example, if the lord of the 1st house is retrograde

the person may greatly lack confidence or self-esteem. And gaining any

kind of recognition or fame will be difficult if not impossible unless

there are other contrary indications. As another example, if the ruler of

the 5th house were retrograde, there would be very few children. In this

fashion retrogrades have their influence.*

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Thank you wendy, this information is SO interesting and helpful!!!

 

On May 28, 2008, at 2:22 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

 

> Dear Vic,

>

> //In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance

> besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?//

>

> To give the 'grey matter' a bit of a break, let me just quote from

> James

> Braha:

>

> *Perhaps the most important point to be mentioned concerns the

> weakening

> effect a retrograde planet has on the house/s it rules. This must

> not be

> underestimated for it affects those house significations in a very

> recognizable way. For example, if the lord of the 1st house is

> retrograde

> the person may greatly lack confidence or self-esteem. And gaining any

> kind of recognition or fame will be difficult if not impossible unless

> there are other contrary indications. As another example, if the

> ruler of

> the 5th house were retrograde, there would be very few children. In

> this

> fashion retrogrades have their influence.*

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara

> " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya >

> Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:30 AM

> Retrograde

>

> In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance

> besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the

house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies?

 

Thanks,

Vic

 

On May 28, 2008, at 2:22 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

 

> Dear Vic,

>

> //In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance

> besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?//

>

> To give the 'grey matter' a bit of a break, let me just quote from

> James

> Braha:

>

> *Perhaps the most important point to be mentioned concerns the

> weakening

> effect a retrograde planet has on the house/s it rules. This must

> not be

> underestimated for it affects those house significations in a very

> recognizable way. For example, if the lord of the 1st house is

> retrograde

> the person may greatly lack confidence or self-esteem. And gaining any

> kind of recognition or fame will be difficult if not impossible unless

> there are other contrary indications. As another example, if the

> ruler of

> the 5th house were retrograde, there would be very few children. In

> this

> fashion retrogrades have their influence.*

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara

> " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya >

> Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:30 AM

> Retrograde

>

> In Vedic astrology, does Retrograde motion have any significance

> besides bestowing some Chest-Bala?

>

>

>

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Dear Vic,

 

//Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the

house(s) it rules.//

 

I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology for

the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on recorded/written

conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M.

Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His

following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend

Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his later

works :-(

 

//What about the house it occupies?//

 

The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect, evasive

and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm

*21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra

(retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde

motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda

(somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous

mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda),

Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated

motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15,

30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.*

 

The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional strength (in

a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of course,

that the significations of that planet will have a marked influence, for

better or worse, on the bhava it occupies.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM

Re: Retrograde

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting the

house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies?

 

Thanks,

Vic

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Dear Ms.Wendy,

 

I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results

according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg,

Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc)

 

Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations

 

Thanks

 

 

jyotish-vidya , EagleEye Trader

<eagleeyetrades wrote:

>

> Hi Vic, Wendy

> There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on

the surface of the sun, and

> the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the

various planets are.

> Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission

from Sun and their directon.

> A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or

slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in

some particular direction.

> I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to

produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused

normally had it not been vakri.

> In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting

earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun..

> Thus the importance of Sun.

> Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth.

>

> Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart.

> Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome.

> Rajeev

>

>

> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM

> Re: Retrograde

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting

the

> house(s) it rules.//

>

> I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology

for

> the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on

recorded/written

> conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M.

> Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His

> following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend

> Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his

later

> works :-(

>

> //What about the house it occupies?//

>

> The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect,

evasive

> and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm

> *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

> Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra

> (retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde

> motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda

> (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the

previous

> mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against

Manda),

> Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in

accelerated

> motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30,

15,

> 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.*

>

> The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional

strength (in

> a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of

course,

> that the significations of that planet will have a marked

influence, for

> better or worse, on the bhava it occupies.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM

> Re: Retrograde

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting

the

> house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies?

>

> Thanks,

> Vic

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Hi Anjana

What I have read is that retrograde planets give effects in reverse order.

Say in some dasha some planet was to give results in a, b, c, d, e sequence,

it would tend to give in e, d, c, b, a order if it was retrograde.

I think I read the above in brihatParasharHoraShastra e book.

Experienced members can throw light.

Regards

Rajeev

 

 

 

anjana_hv <anjana_hv

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, 29 May, 2008 9:17:23 PM

Re: Retrograde

 

 

Dear Ms.Wendy,

 

I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results

according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg,

Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc)

 

Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations

 

Thanks

 

jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader

<eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi Vic, Wendy

> There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on

the surface of the sun, and

> the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the

various planets are.

> Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission

from Sun and their directon.

> A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or

slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in

some particular direction.

> I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to

produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused

normally had it not been vakri.

> In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting

earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun..

> Thus the importance of Sun.

> Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth.

>

> Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart.

> Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome.

> Rajeev

>

>

> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ ...>

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM

> Re: Retrograde

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting

the

> house(s) it rules.//

>

> I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology

for

> the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on

recorded/written

> conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M.

> Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His

> following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend

> Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his

later

> works :-(

>

> //What about the house it occupies?//

>

> The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect,

evasive

> and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya .com/ch27. htm

> *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

> Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra

> (retrogression) , Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde

> motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda

> (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the

previous

> mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against

Manda),

> Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in

accelerated

> motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30,

15,

> 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.*

>

> The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional

strength (in

> a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of

course,

> that the significations of that planet will have a marked

influence, for

> better or worse, on the bhava it occupies.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya .com

> ____________ _________ _________ _______

>

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara@. ..>

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM

> Re: Retrograde

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting

the

> house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies?

>

> Thanks,

> Vic

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

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Hello All,

 

Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they own...

*do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

 

Thanks,

Vic

 

 

On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:11 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote:

 

> Hi Anjana

> What I have read is that retrograde planets give effects in reverse

> order.

> Say in some dasha some planet was to give results in a, b, c, d, e

> sequence,

> it would tend to give in e, d, c, b, a order if it was retrograde.

> I think I read the above in brihatParasharHoraShastra e book.

> Experienced members can throw light.

> Regards

> Rajeev

>

>

> anjana_hv <anjana_hv

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, 29 May, 2008 9:17:23 PM

> Re: Retrograde

>

> Dear Ms.Wendy,

>

> I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results

> according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg,

> Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc)

>

> Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations

>

> Thanks

>

> jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader

> <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Vic, Wendy

> > There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on

> the surface of the sun, and

> > the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the

> various planets are.

> > Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission

> from Sun and their directon.

> > A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or

> slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in

> some particular direction.

> > I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to

> produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused

> normally had it not been vakri.

> > In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting

> earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun..

> > Thus the importance of Sun.

> > Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth.

> >

> > Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart.

> > Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome.

> > Rajeev

> >

> >

> > Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ ...>

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM

> > Re: Retrograde

> >

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting

> the

> > house(s) it rules.//

> >

> > I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu Astrology

> for

> > the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on

> recorded/written

> > conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M.

> > Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His

> > following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend

> > Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his

> later

> > works :-(

> >

> > //What about the house it occupies?//

> >

> > The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect,

> evasive

> > and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya .com/ch27. htm

> > *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

> > Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra

> > (retrogression) , Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde

> > motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda

> > (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the

> previous

> > mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against

> Manda),

> > Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in

> accelerated

> > motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30,

> 15,

> > 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.*

> >

> > The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional

> strength (in

> > a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of

> course,

> > that the significations of that planet will have a marked

> influence, for

> > better or worse, on the bhava it occupies.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya .com

> > ____________ _________ _________ _______

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Vic D " <vicdicara@. ..>

> > <jyotish-vidya>

> > Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM

> > Re: Retrograde

> >

> >

> > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> >

> > Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting

> the

> > house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Vic

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

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Dear Vic ji,

 

Namaste,

 

You may recall, I have retro- shani in 11H as lord of 2H,3H, and

aspects lagna, 5H and 8H..

 

During rahu-shani mercury period.. completed a masters degree linked

to work/occupation.. Mercury 7H and 10H lord.

 

During rahu-shani-jupiter period.. moved into a bigger house.(more

loan money-jupiter in 8H) Jupiter lord of lagna and 4H. During this

period I gave up my paid employment.

 

Financially rahu-shani period was good.. No malefic effects on

children or on my health..

 

warmest regards

sheevani

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

own...

> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

>

> Thanks,

> Vic

>

>

> On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:11 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote:

>

> > Hi Anjana

> > What I have read is that retrograde planets give effects in

reverse

> > order.

> > Say in some dasha some planet was to give results in a, b, c, d,

e

> > sequence,

> > it would tend to give in e, d, c, b, a order if it was retrograde.

> > I think I read the above in brihatParasharHoraShastra e book.

> > Experienced members can throw light.

> > Regards

> > Rajeev

> >

> >

> > anjana_hv <anjana_hv

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 9:17:23 PM

> > Re: Retrograde

> >

> > Dear Ms.Wendy,

> >

> > I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different

results

> > according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg,

> > Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life

etc)

> >

> > Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader

> > <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Vic, Wendy

> > > There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate

on

> > the surface of the sun, and

> > > the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side

the

> > various planets are.

> > > Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these

emission

> > from Sun and their directon.

> > > A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or

> > slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature

in

> > some particular direction.

> > > I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to

> > produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused

> > normally had it not been vakri.

> > > In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are

effecting

> > earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun..

> > > Thus the importance of Sun.

> > > Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on

earth.

> > >

> > > Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart.

> > > Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome.

> > > Rajeev

> > >

> > >

> > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ ...>

> > > jyotish-vidya

> > > Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM

> > > Re: Retrograde

> > >

> > > Dear Vic,

> > >

> > > //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely

affecting

> > the

> > > house(s) it rules.//

> > >

> > > I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu

Astrology

> > for

> > > the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on

> > recorded/written

> > > conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri

Poputlal M.

> > > Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His

> > > following books however stray away from this in his effort to

blend

> > > Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his

> > later

> > > works :-(

> > >

> > > //What about the house it occupies?//

> > >

> > > The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect,

> > evasive

> > > and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya .com/ch27. htm

> > > *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

> > > Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are

Vakra

> > > (retrogression) , Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in

retrograde

> > > motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position),

Manda

> > > (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the

> > previous

> > > mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as

against

> > Manda),

> > > Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in

> > accelerated

> > > motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60,

30,

> > 15,

> > > 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.*

> > >

> > > The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional

> > strength (in

> > > a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of

> > course,

> > > that the significations of that planet will have a marked

> > influence, for

> > > better or worse, on the bhava it occupies.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > http://JyotishVidya .com

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _______

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > " Vic D " <vicdicara@ ..>

> > > <jyotish-vidya>

> > > Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM

> > > Re: Retrograde

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > >

> > > Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely

affecting

> > the

> > > house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Vic

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

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Retrograde planets indicate a latent or pasive energy, the planet retrograde

status does not indicate that the planet is aflicted. But it can help or hurt

the house depending in the benefic or malefic nature of the planet. & nbsp;

 

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Vic D & lt;vicdicara & gt;

Re: Re: Retrograde

" Jyotish Vidya " & lt;jyotish-vidya & gt;

Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 11:12 AM

 

Hello All,

 

Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they own...

*do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

 

Thanks,

Vic

 

 

On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:11 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote:

 

& gt; Hi Anjana

& gt; What I have read is that retrograde planets give effects in reverse

& gt; order.

& gt; Say in some dasha some planet was to give results in a, b, c, d, e

& gt; sequence,

& gt; it would tend to give in e, d, c, b, a order if it was retrograde.

& gt; I think I read the above in brihatParasharHoraShastra e book.

& gt; Experienced members can throw light.

& gt; Regards

& gt; Rajeev

& gt;

& gt;

& gt; anjana_hv & lt;anjana_hv & gt;

& gt; jyotish-vidya

& gt; Thursday, 29 May, 2008 9:17:23 PM

& gt; Re: Retrograde

& gt;

& gt; Dear Ms.Wendy,

& gt;

& gt; I read somewhere different retrograte planets give different results

& gt; according to their house of occupation and its nature. (For eg,

& gt; Retrograde Saturn signifies unfulfilled ambitions from past life etc)

& gt;

& gt; Can you please let us know how we need to analyse such situations

& gt;

& gt; Thanks

& gt;

& gt; jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader

& gt; & lt;eagleeyetrades@ ... & gt; wrote:

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Hi Vic, Wendy

& gt; & gt; There has been some research, which shows the sun spots rotate on

& gt; the surface of the sun, and

& gt; & gt; the radiation of various stuff from Sun depends on which side the

& gt; various planets are.

& gt; & gt; Planets like jupiter, saturn have more influence on these emission

& gt; from Sun and their directon.

& gt; & gt; A graha which feels stationary with respect to earth (vakri or

& gt; slow) would tend to cause more emission in some particular nature in

& gt; some particular direction.

& gt; & gt; I general the additional dose of emissions / rays would tend to

& gt; produce more of the effect which that planet would have caused

& gt; normally had it not been vakri.

& gt; & gt; In this theory, it is critical to note that, planets are effecting

& gt; earthlings only through gravitational effects on sun..

& gt; & gt; Thus the importance of Sun.

& gt; & gt; Moon is also known to cause a lot of electromagnetic stuff on earth.

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Thus the Critical importance of moon and sun in every chart.

& gt; & gt; Just my 2 humble cents. Ideas welcome.

& gt; & gt; Rajeev

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Wendy Vasicek & lt;jyotishvidya@ ... & gt;

& gt; & gt; jyotish-vidya

& gt; & gt; Thursday, 29 May, 2008 10:53:18 AM

& gt; & gt; Re: Retrograde

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Dear Vic,

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; //Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting

& gt; the

& gt; & gt; house(s) it rules.//

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; I should point out that James' first book " Ancient Hindu

Astrology

& gt; for

& gt; & gt; the Modern Western Astrologer " is based primarily on

& gt; recorded/written

& gt; & gt; conversations with his mentors Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M.

& gt; & gt; Padia. It therefore stays very much on the traditional path. His

& gt; & gt; following books however stray away from this in his effort to blend

& gt; & gt; Western and Vedic together. Needless to say I;m not a fan of his

& gt; later

& gt; & gt; works :-(

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; //What about the house it occupies?//

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; The Sanskrit name for retrograde planets Vakri meaning indirect,

& gt; evasive

& gt; & gt; and/or ambiguous. See here: http://jyotishvidya .com/ch27. htm

& gt; & gt; *21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

& gt; & gt; Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra

& gt; & gt; (retrogression) , Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde

& gt; & gt; motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda

& gt; & gt; (somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the

& gt; previous

& gt; & gt; mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against

& gt; Manda),

& gt; & gt; Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in

& gt; accelerated

& gt; & gt; motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30,

& gt; 15,

& gt; & gt; 30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.*

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; The important point, as I see it, is the planet's additional

& gt; strength (in

& gt; & gt; a particular bhava) due to its retrograde motion...meaning, of

& gt; course,

& gt; & gt; that the significations of that planet will have a marked

& gt; influence, for

& gt; & gt; better or worse, on the bhava it occupies.

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Best Wishes,

& gt; & gt; Mrs. Wendy

& gt; & gt; http://JyotishVidya .com

& gt; & gt; ____________ _________ _________ _______

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; -

& gt; & gt; " Vic D " & lt;vicdicara@. .. & gt;

& gt; & gt; & lt;jyotish-vidya & gt;

& gt; & gt; Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:29 AM

& gt; & gt; Re: Retrograde

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Dear Mrs. Wendy,

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Mr. Braha identifies the retrograde planet as adversely affecting

& gt; the

& gt; & gt; house(s) it rules. What about the house it occupies?

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Thanks,

& gt; & gt; Vic

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; ------------ --------- --------- ------

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

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Dear Vic,

 

" An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had

highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and

that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied

Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the

previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same

planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure.

 

Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

 

That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular

significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the

Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying

agency in this respect.

 

For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for

attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with

Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits

are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his

supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his

list of priorities " ..

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

 

PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on

retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article

included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive

Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

===========================================================

 

 

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

own...

> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

>

> Thanks,

> Vic

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Hi Ravindramani

Very interesting post from you.!!

A few quries for clarification.

Lets assume Leo Lagna. Sun in 10H(taurus) and Venus® onjunct mercury in 11th

(gemini).

In this case venus in retrograde in 11th house, gemini.

You said Venus ( R ) Venus ( R ) " material enjoyments are supreme in his list

of priorities "

Does this priority gets infuenced due to its being in 11H and in gemini?

" " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " "

Can you explain this line with reference to the above example?

What would be " Same Kaakkatwa " and " Another Kawakatwa " in the above case..

" " " The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the

Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying

agency in this respect. " " "

In the above case Sun is in 10H and Venus® in 11H

Is this venus going towards 10H or 12H?

What about the planet which sits with the Sun, in this case Mercury at a higher

degree than sun,

this it comes between Sun and Venus®

If you can explain with the help of above example or any other example, it would

be great.

Thanks

Regards

Rajeev

 

 

 

ravindramani <ravindramani

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 5:20:19 PM

Re: Retrograde

 

 

Dear Vic,

 

" An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had

highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and

that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied

Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the

previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same

planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure.

 

Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

 

That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular

significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the

Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying

agency in this respect.

 

For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for

attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with

Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits

are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his

supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his

list of priorities " . .

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on

retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article

included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive

Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==

 

jyotish-vidya, Vic D <vicdicara@. ..> wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

own...

> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

>

> Thanks,

> Vic

 

 

 

 

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Hi Ravindra

I have one chart with me in which 4 planets are retrogrde.

Ju Ma Sa Me all retrograde.

What would this mean looking it from your email regarding retrogrades.!!!

Best Regards

Rajeev

 

 

 

 

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jyotish-vidya

Cc: ravindramani

Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 6:12:57 PM

Re: Re: Retrograde

 

 

Hi Ravindramani

 

Very interesting post from you.!!

 

 

A few quries for clarification.

Lets assume Leo Lagna. Sun in 10H(taurus) and Venus® onjunct mercury in 11th

(gemini).

 

 

In this case venus in retrograde in 11th house, gemini.

 

 

You said Venus ( R ) Venus ( R ) " material enjoyments are supreme in his list

of priorities "

Does this priority gets infuenced due to its being in 11H and in gemini?

 

 

" " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " "

Can you explain this line with reference to the above example?

What would be " Same Kaakkatwa " and " Another Kawakatwa " in the above case.

 

 

 

" " " The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the

Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying

agency in this respect. " " "

In the above case Sun is in 10H and Venus® in 11H

Is this venus going towards 10H or 12H?

 

What about the planet which sits with the Sun, in this case Mercury at a higher

degree than sun,

this it comes between Sun and Venus®

 

 

If you can explain with the help of above example or any other example, it would

be great.

 

 

Thanks

 

 

Regards

Rajeev

 

 

 

 

 

 

ravindramani <ravindramani

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 5:20:19 PM

Re: Retrograde

 

 

Dear Vic,

 

" An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had

highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and

that potency is carried forward " now " .. Each planet has varied

Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the

previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same

planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure.

 

Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

 

That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular

significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the

Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying

agency in this respect.

 

For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for

attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with

Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits

are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his

supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his

list of priorities " . .

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on

retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article

included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive

Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==

 

jyotish-vidya, Vic D <vicdicara@. ..> wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

own...

> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

>

> Thanks,

> Vic

 

 

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Dear Ravindramani,

 

I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you deeply for

posting that quote.

 

Yours,

Vic

 

On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote:

 

> Dear Vic,

>

> " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native had

> highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet and

> that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied

> Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to the

> previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same

> planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure.

>

> Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

> its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

> tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

> process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

>

> That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular

> significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

> obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

> horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

> towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

> sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the

> Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying

> agency in this respect.

>

> For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire for

> attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One with

> Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic pursuits

> are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish his

> supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his

> list of priorities " ..

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

>

>

> PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on

> retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

> Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article

> included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive

> Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

> ===========================================================

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>>

>> Hello All,

>>

>> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

> own...

>> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Vic

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Dear Rajeev,

 

> Lets assume Leo Lagna. Sun in 10H(taurus) and Venus® onjunct

> mercury in 11th (gemini).

> In this case venus in retrograde in 11th house, gemini.

> You said Venus ( R ) Venus ( R ) " material enjoyments are supreme in

> his list of priorities "

> Does this priority gets infuenced due to its being in 11H and in

> gemini?

 

11th is KAAAM-bhava, and is named " Labha " . It is a place of pleasure

and easy gains. Also Venus and mercury in the 11th really gives the

indication of one who is gandarva-like. Is it so?

 

 

> " " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

> its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

> tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

> process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " "

> Can you explain this line with reference to the above example?

 

A person close to me was advised by a respected Jyotishi that she was

a frustrated Sanyassi or tyagi in her previous birth. She has Venus

retrograde and moving into the sun (combust, only 2 degrees away) in

the 3rd house (Leo, she is Gemini Asc).

 

 

>

> " " " The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

> towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

> sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the

> Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying

> agency in this respect. " " "

 

>

> In the above case Sun is in 10H and Venus® in 11H

> Is this venus going towards 10H or 12H?

 

 

Planets progress through the sky. They move from 1º to 2º to 3º, etc.

When retrograde they move from 3º to 2º. Thus retrogade venus at 10º

11H is moving towards 9º, 8º etc. trying to get to 29º of 10H

 

 

> What about the planet which sits with the Sun, in this case Mercury

> at a higher degree than sun,

> this it comes between Sun and Venus®

 

Not to lose scope and focus on only one principle. A retrograde planet

will always have obsticles, especially to the houses that it owns. For

example, the person I mentioned above has no planets between Venus and

the Sun - yet her music career suffers although she is a brilliantly

talented musician, similarly her romantic nature suffered greatly.

 

Additionally, by the new principles that Sriman Ravindramani recently

pointed out to us, you may be able to pinpoint the *cause* of the

obstacle by the planet(s) betwixt (i love to use that word) the

retrograde and the sun. In your case mercury. So perhaps a desire to

pursue education is an obstacle to your natives fully realizing her

venusian desires?

 

Yours,

Vic

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Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate

drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth,

which the native will/may take to,in this'birth,

but which he would have to overcome gradually

in time to come, with will power and request of

help to God, to gain the grace of the

Benevolent planet Jupiter.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you deeply

for

> posting that quote.

>

> Yours,

> Vic

>

> On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote:

>

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native

had

> > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that planet

and

> > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied

> > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to

the

> > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same

> > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant measure.

> >

> > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification

of

> > its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth

it

> > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

> > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

> >

> > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular

> > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

> > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

> > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

> > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

> > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between

the

> > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or

fructifying

> > agency in this respect.

> >

> > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep desire

for

> > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One

with

> > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic

pursuits

> > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to establish

his

> > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in his

> > list of priorities " ..

> >

> > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

> >

> >

> > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on

> > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

> > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The article

> > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of Predictive

> > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

> > ===========================================================

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Hello All,

> >>

> >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

> > own...

> >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >> Vic

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

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Hi Vic

Somehow, Retrogrades have not been given enough treatment even in BPHS.. The

name comes up just 2-3 times.

Some text from BPHS

------

3-4. The effects of the Dashas of the Grahas are in accordance with their

strength. The effects of a Grah in the first Dreshkan are realized at the

commencement of the Dasha. The Grah in the second Dreshkan makes its effects

felt in the middle of the Dasha. The effects of the Grah in the third Dreshkan

are experienced at the end of the Dasha. If the Grah is retrograde, these

effects would be in the reverse order. The Dasha effects of Rahu and Ketu, who

are always retrograde, will always be realized in the reverse order.

--------

Ravindramani wrote

> " " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

> its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

> tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

> process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " "

> Can you explain this line with reference to the above example?

 

You Wrote

A person close to me was advised by a respected Jyotishi that she was

a frustrated Sanyassi or tyagi in her previous birth. She has Venus

retrograde and moving into the sun (combust, only 2 degrees away) in

the 3rd house (Leo, she is Gemini Asc).

For example, the person I mentioned above has no planets between Venus and the

Sun - yet her music career suffers

although she is a brilliantly talented musician, similarly her romantic nature

suffered greatly.

What you wrote contradicts Ravindramani.

Ravindramani implied that past good fruits were obstructed, but this time more

of those good fruits would come.

 

Kindly re-check and send a reply.

Regards

Rajeev

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 10:05:04 PM

Re: Re: Retrograde

 

 

Dear Rajeev,

 

> Lets assume Leo Lagna. Sun in 10H(taurus) and Venus® onjunct

> mercury in 11th (gemini).

> In this case venus in retrograde in 11th house, gemini.

> You said Venus ( R ) Venus ( R ) " material enjoyments are supreme in

> his list of priorities "

> Does this priority gets infuenced due to its being in 11H and in

> gemini?

 

11th is KAAAM-bhava, and is named " Labha " . It is a place of pleasure

and easy gains. Also Venus and mercury in the 11th really gives the

indication of one who is gandarva-like. Is it so?

 

> " " " Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed fructification of

> its significance in the previous birth while in the current birth it

> tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

> process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer. " " "

> Can you explain this line with reference to the above example?

 

A person close to me was advised by a respected Jyotishi that she was

a frustrated Sanyassi or tyagi in her previous birth. She has Venus

retrograde and moving into the sun (combust, only 2 degrees away) in

the 3rd house (Leo, she is Gemini Asc).

 

>

> " " " The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet going

> towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

> sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between the

> Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or fructifying

> agency in this respect. " " "

 

>

> In the above case Sun is in 10H and Venus® in 11H

> Is this venus going towards 10H or 12H?

 

Planets progress through the sky. They move from 1º to 2º to 3º, etc.

When retrograde they move from 3º to 2º. Thus retrogade venus at 10º

11H is moving towards 9º, 8º etc. trying to get to 29º of 10H

 

> What about the planet which sits with the Sun, in this case Mercury

> at a higher degree than sun,

> this it comes between Sun and Venus®

 

Not to lose scope and focus on only one principle. A retrograde planet

will always have obsticles, especially to the houses that it owns. For

example, the person I mentioned above has no planets between Venus and

the Sun - yet her music career suffers although she is a brilliantly

talented musician, similarly her romantic nature suffered greatly.

 

Additionally, by the new principles that Sriman Ravindramani recently

pointed out to us, you may be able to pinpoint the *cause* of the

obstacle by the planet(s) betwixt (i love to use that word) the

retrograde and the sun. In your case mercury. So perhaps a desire to

pursue education is an obstacle to your natives fully realizing her

venusian desires?

 

Yours,

Vic

 

 

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Namaste ji,

 

Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts of

persons in very close family/friends circle..

 

First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all

kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long

alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years he

has been totally sober,,

 

The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted in

6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted

alcohol..

 

You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!!

 

regards

Sheevani

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate

> drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth,

> which the native will/may take to,in this'birth,

> but which he would have to overcome gradually

> in time to come, with will power and request of

> help to God, to gain the grace of the

> Benevolent planet Jupiter.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ravindramani,

> >

> > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you

deeply

> for

> > posting that quote.

> >

> > Yours,

> > Vic

> >

> > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Vic,

> > >

> > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the native

> had

> > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that

planet

> and

> > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied

> > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating to

> the

> > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the same

> > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant

measure.

> > >

> > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed

fructification

> of

> > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current

birth

> it

> > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

> > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

> > >

> > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a particular

> > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

> > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

> > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet

going

> > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the highest

> > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets between

> the

> > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or

> fructifying

> > > agency in this respect.

> > >

> > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep

desire

> for

> > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth. One

> with

> > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic

> pursuits

> > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to

establish

> his

> > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme in

his

> > > list of priorities " ..

> > >

> > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

> > >

> > >

> > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on

> > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

> > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The

article

> > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of

Predictive

> > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

> > > ===========================================================

> > >

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Hello All,

> > >>

> > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

> > > own...

> > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

> > >>

> > >> Thanks,

> > >> Vic

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

> > >

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Namaste,

 

Which is why I mentioned " May " in my

reply.

 

It can also be enjoying the pleasures of life,

eating, gulping sweets , merry making,

trying to be boss etc.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147

wrote:

>

> Namaste ji,

>

> Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts

of

> persons in very close family/friends circle..

>

> First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all

> kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long

> alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years

he

> has been totally sober,,

>

> The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted

in

> 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted

> alcohol..

>

> You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!!

>

> regards

> Sheevani

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate

> > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth,

> > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth,

> > but which he would have to overcome gradually

> > in time to come, with will power and request of

> > help to God, to gain the grace of the

> > Benevolent planet Jupiter.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ravindramani,

> > >

> > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you

> deeply

> > for

> > > posting that quote.

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > > Vic

> > >

> > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Vic,

> > > >

> > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the

native

> > had

> > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that

> planet

> > and

> > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied

> > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating

to

> > the

> > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the

same

> > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant

> measure.

> > > >

> > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed

> fructification

> > of

> > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current

> birth

> > it

> > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

> > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

> > > >

> > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a

particular

> > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

> > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

> > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet

> going

> > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the

highest

> > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets

between

> > the

> > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or

> > fructifying

> > > > agency in this respect.

> > > >

> > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep

> desire

> > for

> > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth.

One

> > with

> > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic

> > pursuits

> > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to

> establish

> > his

> > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme

in

> his

> > > > list of priorities " ..

> > > >

> > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on

> > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

> > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The

> article

> > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of

> Predictive

> > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

> > > > ===========================================================

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@>

wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Hello All,

> > > >>

> > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

> > > > own...

> > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

> > > >>

> > > >> Thanks,

> > > >> Vic

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > >

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Retrograde Planets in Prashna Charts ( Kundlis ),

would mean a negative answer to the prashna put up,

and if other factors approving, then till the

retrograde planet becomes direct, no hope

of the realisation of the desire.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Which is why I mentioned " May " in my

> reply.

>

> It can also be enjoying the pleasures of life,

> eating, gulping sweets , merry making,

> trying to be boss etc.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste ji,

> >

> > Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2

charts

> of

> > persons in very close family/friends circle..

> >

> > First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all

> > kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long

> > alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years

> he

> > has been totally sober,,

> >

> > The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted

> in

> > 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted

> > alcohol..

> >

> > You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!!

> >

> > regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate

> > > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth,

> > > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth,

> > > but which he would have to overcome gradually

> > > in time to come, with will power and request of

> > > help to God, to gain the grace of the

> > > Benevolent planet Jupiter.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ravindramani,

> > > >

> > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you

> > deeply

> > > for

> > > > posting that quote.

> > > >

> > > > Yours,

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Vic,

> > > > >

> > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the

> native

> > > had

> > > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that

> > planet

> > > and

> > > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has

varied

> > > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one

relating

> to

> > > the

> > > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the

> same

> > > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant

> > measure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed

> > fructification

> > > of

> > > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current

> > birth

> > > it

> > > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In

the

> > > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a

> particular

> > > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

> > > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

> > > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a

planet

> > going

> > > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the

> highest

> > > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets

> between

> > > the

> > > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or

> > > fructifying

> > > > > agency in this respect.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep

> > desire

> > > for

> > > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth.

> One

> > > with

> > > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic

> > > pursuits

> > > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to

> > establish

> > > his

> > > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme

> in

> > his

> > > > > list of priorities " ..

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light

on

> > > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

> > > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The

> > article

> > > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of

> > Predictive

> > > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

> > > > > ===========================================================

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@>

> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Hello All,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses

they

> > > > > own...

> > > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > >> Vic

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Rahu in the 10th, especially in the Navamsha

would confirm the natives desires to alcoholic drinks,

if also associated with Mars, then doubly confirmed.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147

wrote:

>

> Namaste ji,

>

> Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts

of

> persons in very close family/friends circle..

>

> First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all

> kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long

> alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years

he

> has been totally sober,,

>

> The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted

in

> 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted

> alcohol..

>

> You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!!

>

> regards

> Sheevani

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate

> > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth,

> > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth,

> > but which he would have to overcome gradually

> > in time to come, with will power and request of

> > help to God, to gain the grace of the

> > Benevolent planet Jupiter.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ravindramani,

> > >

> > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you

> deeply

> > for

> > > posting that quote.

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > > Vic

> > >

> > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Vic,

> > > >

> > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the

native

> > had

> > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that

> planet

> > and

> > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has varied

> > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one relating

to

> > the

> > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the

same

> > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant

> measure.

> > > >

> > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed

> fructification

> > of

> > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current

> birth

> > it

> > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In the

> > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

> > > >

> > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a

particular

> > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

> > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

> > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a planet

> going

> > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the

highest

> > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets

between

> > the

> > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or

> > fructifying

> > > > agency in this respect.

> > > >

> > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep

> desire

> > for

> > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth.

One

> > with

> > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic

> > pursuits

> > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to

> establish

> > his

> > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme

in

> his

> > > > list of priorities " ..

> > > >

> > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light on

> > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

> > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The

> article

> > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of

> Predictive

> > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

> > > > ===========================================================

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@>

wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Hello All,

> > > >>

> > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses they

> > > > own...

> > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

> > > >>

> > > >> Thanks,

> > > >> Vic

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > >

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I have read somewhere that a Retrograde Vargottama

Venus, behaves like a Exalted Venus.

 

And also read in the deva keralam, that a Retrograde

but debilitated Jupiter would behave like a Exalted

Jupiter.

 

retrograde planets are in general not easy for one

to judge, how they would behave, perform or

result in the natives Life.

 

Grace Inglis in her books has given a good thesis

about retrograde planets,

how they would behave and mean in general,

but the applicability part is missing in

all known shastras.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Rahu in the 10th, especially in the Navamsha

> would confirm the natives desires to alcoholic drinks,

> if also associated with Mars, then doubly confirmed.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste ji,

> >

> > Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2

charts

> of

> > persons in very close family/friends circle..

> >

> > First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all

> > kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long

> > alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years

> he

> > has been totally sober,,

> >

> > The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted

> in

> > 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted

> > alcohol..

> >

> > You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!!

> >

> > regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate

> > > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth,

> > > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth,

> > > but which he would have to overcome gradually

> > > in time to come, with will power and request of

> > > help to God, to gain the grace of the

> > > Benevolent planet Jupiter.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ravindramani,

> > > >

> > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you

> > deeply

> > > for

> > > > posting that quote.

> > > >

> > > > Yours,

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Vic,

> > > > >

> > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the

> native

> > > had

> > > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that

> > planet

> > > and

> > > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has

varied

> > > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one

relating

> to

> > > the

> > > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the

> same

> > > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant

> > measure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed

> > fructification

> > > of

> > > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current

> > birth

> > > it

> > > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In

the

> > > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a

> particular

> > > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

> > > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

> > > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a

planet

> > going

> > > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the

> highest

> > > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets

> between

> > > the

> > > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or

> > > fructifying

> > > > > agency in this respect.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep

> > desire

> > > for

> > > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth.

> One

> > > with

> > > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic

> > > pursuits

> > > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to

> > establish

> > > his

> > > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme

> in

> > his

> > > > > list of priorities " ..

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light

on

> > > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

> > > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The

> > article

> > > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of

> > Predictive

> > > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

> > > > > ===========================================================

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@>

> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Hello All,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses

they

> > > > > own...

> > > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > >> Vic

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Thank you Bhaskar ji for highlighting, combinations,,

 

In case of kark lagan person he has lagna vargattama (kark) and

neecha shani in 10 H (aries) in D-9.

 

What puzzles me so much about this chart is that all the kendras from

lagna are empty of planets,, even shani and mars do not aspect any of

the kendra bhavas..!!!!

 

sign placements.. mars, venus ketu in 2H leo, shani, moon, sun ,

mercury in 3H kanya..rahu in kumbh and R Guru in Meena..

 

In navamsha, moon(lagna) and shani in kendra(Mesha), ketu remains in

2H,R-guru in 5H, budh-rahu in 8H, sun-mars in 11H and venus in 12H

 

regards

Sheevani

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Rahu in the 10th, especially in the Navamsha

> would confirm the natives desires to alcoholic drinks,

> if also associated with Mars, then doubly confirmed.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste ji,

> >

> > Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2

charts

> of

> > persons in very close family/friends circle..

> >

> > First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all

> > kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long

> > alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years

> he

> > has been totally sober,,

> >

> > The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted

> in

> > 6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted

> > alcohol..

> >

> > You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!!

> >

> > regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Retrograde Jupiter would also indicate

> > > drinking tendencies unfulfilled in last birth,

> > > which the native will/may take to,in this'birth,

> > > but which he would have to overcome gradually

> > > in time to come, with will power and request of

> > > help to God, to gain the grace of the

> > > Benevolent planet Jupiter.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ravindramani,

> > > >

> > > > I am saving this post! It is EXTREMELY helpful. I thank you

> > deeply

> > > for

> > > > posting that quote.

> > > >

> > > > Yours,

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:50 AM, ravindramani wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Vic,

> > > > >

> > > > > " An exalted planet in the birth horoscope shows that the

> native

> > > had

> > > > > highest achievement in his previous birth relating to that

> > planet

> > > and

> > > > > that potency is carried forward " now " . Each planet has

varied

> > > > > Karakatwas and identification of the particular one

relating

> to

> > > the

> > > > > previous birth needs special skills. And n this birth, the

> same

> > > > > planet's another karakatwa will manifest in a significant

> > measure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Contrarily a retrograde planet denotes obstructed

> > fructification

> > > of

> > > > > its significance in the previous birth while in the current

> > birth

> > > it

> > > > > tends to give better results about the same Kaakkatwa. In

the

> > > > > process, it's another karakatwa or karakatwas may suffer.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is, the goal of the person will be to achieve a

> particular

> > > > > significance of the retrograde planet. Obstructions or no

> > > > > obstructions, is a different matter depending on the whole

> > > > > horoscope. The Sun represents the soul or Atma and a

planet

> > going

> > > > > towards the Sun shows that one of its karakatwas is the

> highest

> > > > > sought in the native's life. Another planet or planets

> between

> > > the

> > > > > Sun and the retrograde planet may act as obstructing or

> > > fructifying

> > > > > agency in this respect.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example one with Jupiter ( R ) may be left with a deep

> > desire

> > > for

> > > > > attaining children, or giving them the best on the earth.

> One

> > > with

> > > > > Saturn ( R) may be after power; with Mercury ( R ) academic

> > > pursuits

> > > > > are never ending ; with Mars ( R ) insatiable thirst to

> > establish

> > > his

> > > > > supremacy; with Venus ( R ) material enjoyments are supreme

> in

> > his

> > > > > list of priorities " ..

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: The above few lines are quoted from the article " Light

on

> > > > > retrogrades " written by R. Santhanam, Editor, The Times of

> > > > > Astrology, in later part of 1980s, on the said topic. The

> > article

> > > > > included in the collection of his essays " Essentials of

> > Predictive

> > > > > Hindu Astrology, published by Sagar Publications in 1991.

> > > > > ===========================================================

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@>

> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Hello All,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Retrograde planets have an adverse affect on the houses

they

> > > > > own...

> > > > >> *do they have an adverse affect on the houses they aspect?*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thanks,

> > > > >> Vic

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Deer Sheevani,

 

One needs to look at the horoscope before reaching a conclusion about any

planet. It's a fruitless exercise to declare any retrograde planet will

give specific results in all instances.

 

Retrograde planets have been discussed at length here (many times) over

the last few years. If you look in the archives for msg #5754 (7 May

2007) you will find the following discourse (pasted below)...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

Msg #5754 (7 May 2007)

 

PS: I add here some scriptural reference that might be helpful to

members. http://jyotishvidya.com/ch73.htm

 

**21.The effects of the Grahas, moving from their debilitation to

exaltation, are full. The effects of the Grahas, moving from their

exaltation to debilitation, will be lesser than described above.

 

22-23. Auspicious and inauspicious effects of all the Grahas are

according to the number of rays they possess. The prediction will not be

correct without the knowledge of the effects of the rays. Therefore it is

imperative, that in the judgment of Rashi Kundalis and declaring results

the effects of the number of rays of the Grahas be taken into account.**

____

 

 

Dear Krishna,

 

//I am asking this because, there is a widespread belief that a

neecha planet when retro behaves like a uchcha planet.//

 

The misconception regarding retrograde planets has developed due to

several reasons.

 

FIRST: In the below sloka we understand that a planet acquires a certain

strength when in retrograde motion. This is understandable when we

consider that a retrograde planet is closer to the Earth. However, this

doesn't in anyway change the dignity of the planet...a neecha planet in

retrograde motion is still neecha. Some people have mistakenly equated

the increased retrograde strength to mean increased dignity whereas in

fact it simply means the neecha effect is more powerful.

 

Strength due to the planets dignity, and strength due to motion, are two

entirely different things. A planet gains or loses dignity (by proxy) due

to the strength of its dispositor etc..

 

http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm

21-23. PLANETARY MOTIONS (MARS TO SATURN):

Eight kinds of motions are attributed to planets. These are Vakra

(retrogression), Anuvakra (entering the previous sign in retrograde

motion), Vikala (devoid of Motion or in stationary position), Manda

(somewhat slower motion than usual), Mandatara (slower than the previous

mentioned motion), Sama (somewhat increasing in motion as against Manda),

Chara (faster than Sama), and Atichara (entering next sign in accelerated

motion). The strengths allotted due to such 8 motions are : 60, 30, 15,

30, 15, 7.5, 45, and 30.

 

SECOND: Retrograde motion needs to be considered in respect to the

planet's position relative to its degree of debilitation/exaltation. As

we know, a planet increases in strength as it travels towards its degree

of exaltation and decreases proportionately as it travels away from it...

 

In a very broad sense, if a planet past its degree of exaltation, turns

retrograde, then technically it's travelling back towards it...gaining

strength rather than losing it. The same applies in reverse for

debilitated planets. This rule applies to all planets wherever they are

in the horoscope.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

________________________________

 

 

-

" sheevani147 " <sheevani147

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:05 AM

Re: Retrograde

 

 

Namaste ji,

 

Very interesting observation about retro/jupiter.. I have 2 charts of

persons in very close family/friends circle..

 

First person has karka lagna with retro jupiter in pisces,, all

kendras from lagna are empty of planets.. He is a life-long

alcoholic, fighting addictions all his life,, only last few years he

has been totally sober,,

 

The second person has Aquarius lagna, with retro-jupiter, exalted in

6H, conjunct rahu.. This person has never ever touched or tasted

alcohol..

 

You would have rahu-R-jupiter to be the alcoholic one,,!!!!

 

regards

Sheevani

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