Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Niket, your point is well taken --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Niket <astroiniket wrote: Niket <astroiniket dear bhaskar and my other friends jyotish-vidya Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 10:19 AM kindly do not feel BAD : we humans have limited brain, thoughts, karmas, whatever is related to human is limited as we say limited edition. And our creator is unlimited, he made this universe and very beautiful ERP system (9 planets OS, like windows) he is master not only earth he made this cosmos, how we humans can think about almighty, which of his form is big or small , all is his MAYA, do not fall in to this, if you want to please the god just love him and his creations, that is seed mantra, if you try to go beyond this, you will not get any thing except ............ .......... time , energy. etc. this is my opinion, i do not want that some one may be offensive on that, 1000 heads 10000 opinions. so pls give me pardon. :-)) best wishes to all bhaktas niket - Bhaskar jyotish-vidya Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:40 PM Re: General Remedies Dear Rajeevji and SG (?), I hope the discussion does not lead towards each trying to prove which of these 3 is superior. We are not equipped to do this and neither is this desirable. For its clearly mentioned in the Ramayan what happens to a Shiv lover but a Ram drohi and vice versa. These 3 are the forms of the same Shakti and just they are formed to do the 3 jobs of creation, preservation and anhilation. there are other stories too to combat this one, where we can prove why Brahma is not worshipped in temples, but this is not the intent of this Forum. When Shiva takes name of Rama, who we all know is a incarnationof Vishnu, then no further episodes are needed from the Puranas and epics to prove anything. For me, I treat Shiva as elder brother of my father, Vishnu,and the rest of the Gods as family members. that way I mantain the decorum in my worship and Pooja, and love each and all. I also take name of Jesus Christ daily in my morning Pooja, as he is a true Son of God, and also because of my affninty towards Him due to having being brought in a Roman catholic school ( Don Bosco )and love all saints and Rishi Munis from every Dharma ,creed and caste. Thus I do not keep any scope or time for He is good, he is better, or he is superior etc. Life is too small, and we must spend it loving our Chosen Father where we have been given birth, and continue doing our duties. Rajeevji, I too am a Shiv Lover, by the way. but treat Vishnu in his form of Krishna, as my father, as mentioned before. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, RajeevM <rajeevmundra@ ...> wrote: > > Some interesting discussion. > > SG: good to know that u are a shiv bhakt.. > Rajeev:: bhakt .. far from it > SG: how do u mean > Rajeev:: i mean not easy to be a bhakt > Rajeev:: just a normal human who talks more about shiv > Rajeev:: nothing more > SG: the first step is always having faith in Shiv > Rajeev:: yes > SG: I can never have enough info on Shiv > Rajeev:: yes > Rajeev:: shiv was not as popularized as krishna > SG: the fight between bhrama and Vishnu as who is the leading diety is > mentioned in Shiv maha purana > Rajeev:: yes > SG: that is when Shivji came as a pillar of light,, and brahma went upwards > to see the top end of the pillar and vishnu too shape of boar to dig down > deep to find the bottom end of pillar > SG: neither succeeded but brahma told a lie and used a ketaki flower to give > false witness to say he say the top of the pillar > SG: Bhrama was cursed by shivji,, that he will never be prayed to by the > masses,, hence brahma only has 1 temple in india > SG: the pillar of fire is the jyotirling roop of shivji > Rajeev:: yes > SG: Vishnu's pooja only came about about less than 10,000 yrs ago > Rajeev:: yes > Rajeev:: do you have any references regarding this? > SG: Shivji's statues were found in Mohanjaro and Harrapa period,, well > before any written documents were ever around > > > > Om Namah Shivay > Rajeev > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Vic D <vicdicara@. ..> wrote: > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > Yes, you must find shastric support for your statement. I am not > > interested in branding. I have no interest in sectarian religiosity of > > any shape or form, Hindu or otherwise. You made a statement that Shiva- > > ji is the lord of all the planets. You made this in an astrological > > forum. So please substantiate your statement. > > > > Your attitude in this email is contrary to your previously expressed > > attitudes about the value of Guru and Sadhu. Guru and Sadhu have > > spoken the Vedas, they are not a microscopic or macroscopic view of > > reality - they are a complete and realized view. If you do not have > > the right attitude towards them you will not be granted access to the > > realizations they mystically hold. > > > > It is my opinion that there are various devas associated with various > > planets - and *not* that Shiva-ji is the lord of them all. Of couse, > > he IS the lord of them all, but not astrologically OR astronomically > > speaking. In my opinion astrologically each planet has it's own > > isthadeva and it's own representative diety. And astronomically each > > planet is a part of the virat rupa which is ultimately an imaginary > > manifestation of the Purusha, who is Visnu Tattva. > > > > Yours > > Vic DiCara > > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > > > > > On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:18 PM, RajeevM wrote: > > > > > Dear Vic > > > > > > I am not sure, if I have read it somewhere or not. > > > But I have heard this many times at many places. > > > > > > Atleast for me it makes no difference if someone says its Vishnu who > > > is the > > > lord of planets. > > > Different branding of one product, packaged & put across as per > > > convenience, > > > donations, political pressures from time to time or favors or > > > necessity > > > received by different sects over long periods of time. > > > > > > Kindly do not miss the point, that there is a HUGE amount of > > > branding and > > > packaging in the Hindu system of religion. > > > and there is no brand in past which can compete with the likes of > > > Ram, Shiv > > > or Vishnu or Jesus and so on. > > > > > > The gods may be real as we know them, or they may be something very > > > different from what we imagine them to be. > > > (recall that your fingers would look very very very different > > > (horrifically > > > different) when looked under an electron microscope.) > > > > > > I am dead sure that much of what goes around as religion today, was > > > simple > > > mental gymnastics of various creative minds pushed to do something > > > in free > > > time or out of various necessity. > > > > > > I shall look up and find where I read about that regarding shiva. > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Vic D <vicdicara@. ..<vicdicara% 40gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Dear Rajeev, > > >> > > >> > > >>> Shiv is the lord of all planets also, from Sun to Saturn. > > >> > > >> Can you support this with a quote from Sastra? I'm interested in it, > > >> since clearly in the main sense all the planets and lokas are aspects > > >> of the Virat Rupa of Vishnu (see Skanda 2 of Bhagavat Purana) > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Vic > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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