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Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Dear Nilesh Saturn always gives naaisargic result or negative result wherever it is places accept when it is having aspect on its own house. It only starts giving result in its dasha or antardasha or during effect of saturn(saadi sati). But through out its effects are always experienced. Haresh(Harry)Nathani Vedic Astologer Cell +91 98672 14103 (Mumbai,India) nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 jyotish-vidya Thursday, 1 November, 2007 6:31:03 PM gochar doubt Dear Members, What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's ( like Saturn,Jupiter, nodes etc) gochar position same as that of natal placement in case it is inimical. For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now have Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. Will it give good effect or bad effect considering that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. Warm Regards Nilesh Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Go to http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online at http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Dear Nilesh, Permanent relationship is one thing, Temporary relation is another thing. combined relationship is yet another thing. Position of Lagna is important, The position of Leo in the order from the Lagna, AL, UL, HL, SL etc will give different effects, Sani though it moves slow and gives lots of obstacles but it also gives the maximum benefit, no other planet is capable of. Order of Leo from the house where Moon is posited is also important to deduce the effects of Sani. For general life take Lagna, for business etc take HL, for Image in this world take AL, for wealth take SL, for marital issues take UL and see. Look if Jupiter is Auspicious and its dhristi on which house, Look for Rahu and its position. etc etc. all these needs to be considered before saying the effect will be good or bad. Look for Astakavarga Points in Leo for Sani? When you say Leo, which house is it etc. etc. :-)) SPI http://ianala.blogspot.com nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Dear Members, What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's ( like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same as that of natal placement in case it is inimical. For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now have Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. Will it give good effect or bad effect considering that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. Warm Regards Nilesh Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Respected Shri Surya prakashji, I shall be much obliged if u kindly use less abbreviation AL SL etc., as it becomes bit hard for beginners to understand I visited yr blog spot, very interesting - although it takes time to learn yr theory and perhaps person do need time work out to get a good result - Since Sanidev is in Leo - what can be the effect of Sanidev whose Lagna is Leo if u want birth details etc., than please let me know haribol pdk Surya Prakash Ianala <ianala_sun wrote: Dear Nilesh, Permanent relationship is one thing, Temporary relation is another thing. combined relationship is yet another thing. Position of Lagna is important, The position of Leo in the order from the Lagna, AL, UL, HL, SL etc will give different effects, Sani though it moves slow and gives lots of obstacles but it also gives the maximum benefit, no other planet is capable of. Order of Leo from the house where Moon is posited is also important to deduce the effects of Sani. For general life take Lagna, for business etc take HL, for Image in this world take AL, for wealth take SL, for marital issues take UL and see. Look if Jupiter is Auspicious and its dhristi on which house, Look for Rahu and its position. etc etc. all these needs to be considered before saying the effect will be good or bad. Look for Astakavarga Points in Leo for Sani? When you say Leo, which house is it etc. etc. :-)) SPI http://ianala.blogspot.com nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Dear Members, What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's ( like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same as that of natal placement in case it is inimical. For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now have Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. Will it give good effect or bad effect considering that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. Warm Regards Nilesh Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Dear Nilesh, Saturn in Leo may not be bad for all natives, depending on various ascendants . But Saturn in Transit over Natal Saturn is normally bad for all natives whatever ascendant they may have. Regarding affects of slow moving planets- If transit is good then the good effects of transit will last for a longer period in the natives case. Jupiter will predominantly be good for one year in transit in giving good effects if benefic transit. Saturn will predominantly be good for 2 and a half years in giving good effects if benefic transit. Please study above results and understand them properly before asking any further questions. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's ( > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same as > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now have > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > Warm Regards > > Nilesh > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Surya Prakash, Lets consider that Leo is the 4th house or the Ascendant is Taurus.Say moon is in Cancer. I am not very knowledgable on AL ,UL etc - as I would admit that 12 Rashis, 12 houses,9 planets ,27 nakshatras and their interactions themselves makes me feel - too complicated to handle . Best Regards Nilesh --- Surya Prakash Ianala <ianala_sun wrote: > Dear Nilesh, > > Permanent relationship is one thing, > Temporary relation is another thing. > combined relationship is yet another thing. > Position of Lagna is important, > The position of Leo in the order from the Lagna, > AL, UL, HL, SL etc will give different effects, Sani > though it moves slow and gives lots of obstacles but > it also gives the maximum benefit, no other planet > is capable of. > Order of Leo from the house where Moon is posited > is also important to deduce the effects of Sani. > For general life take Lagna, for business etc take > HL, for Image in this world take AL, for wealth take > SL, for marital issues take UL and see. > > Look if Jupiter is Auspicious and its dhristi on > which house, Look for Rahu and its position. etc > etc. all these needs to be considered before saying > the effect will be good or bad. > > Look for Astakavarga Points in Leo for Sani? > > When you say Leo, which house is it etc. etc. > > :-)) > > SPI > http://ianala.blogspot.com > > nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: > Dear Members, > > What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's > ( > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same > as > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now > have > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > Warm Regards > > Nilesh > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > click away. Go to > http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html > > > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Nilesh, Leo - 4th house, Moon in Cancer, Asc - Taurus. Saturn in Leo, this is Third stage of 7 1/2 years cycle of Saturn. But to determine if the results will be bad or good, the strength of Saturn in the Natal chart becomes extremely important. Weak and debilitated Saturn gives better and good results in the second and third stage of 7 1/2 cycle, but the following 2 1/2 years will be OK, Strong exalted Saturn will give very painful results in first ( Relations), second ( Finance-Job) and third stages (Health) of 7 1/2 cycle, but the following 2 1/2 years could be like Raj Yoga. The current situation will be like everything is falling apart for natives with strong Saturn and everything falling in place for weak Saturn. This has to be viewed through level of Spirituality of the native and how you deal with the problems during this 7 1/2 years period of Saturn. Also you have to see if the Sun which is exalted in Aries and debilitated in Libra is balancing it or making it worse or sometimes better with its position and strength. Aum Namah Shivaya! SPI http://ianala.blogspot.com nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Dear Surya Prakash, Lets consider that Leo is the 4th house or the Ascendant is Taurus.Say moon is in Cancer. I am not very knowledgable on AL ,UL etc - as I would admit that 12 Rashis, 12 houses,9 planets ,27 nakshatras and their interactions themselves makes me feel - too complicated to handle . Best Regards Nilesh --- Surya Prakash Ianala <ianala_sun wrote: > Dear Nilesh, > > Permanent relationship is one thing, > Temporary relation is another thing. > combined relationship is yet another thing. > Position of Lagna is important, > The position of Leo in the order from the Lagna, > AL, UL, HL, SL etc will give different effects, Sani > though it moves slow and gives lots of obstacles but > it also gives the maximum benefit, no other planet > is capable of. > Order of Leo from the house where Moon is posited > is also important to deduce the effects of Sani. > For general life take Lagna, for business etc take > HL, for Image in this world take AL, for wealth take > SL, for marital issues take UL and see. > > Look if Jupiter is Auspicious and its dhristi on > which house, Look for Rahu and its position. etc > etc. all these needs to be considered before saying > the effect will be good or bad. > > Look for Astakavarga Points in Leo for Sani? > > When you say Leo, which house is it etc. etc. > > :-)) > > SPI > http://ianala.blogspot.com > > nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: > Dear Members, > > What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's > ( > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same > as > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now > have > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > Warm Regards > > Nilesh > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > click away. Go to > http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html > > > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Patrice , // Would like to be elaborated on how we could define benefic transit. // This is what I wished to avoid Patrice and wanted the Member to do his part, before questioning me again. I can infer that Mr. Nilesh is already knowing the basics,and if I keep myself available for answering all questions without hard work on part of the member putting an enquiry, then the answer can run into long pages, and also eventually border on ones individual Horoscope, which too would not be proper as per rules of the Forum. To avoid answering personal Horoscopes and to encourage some homework on part of the member posting basic enquiries,so that we only have to discuss some advanced matters, is the only reason I have worded my 2 Lines You have quoted, as such. Since this Forum is not for Free Horoscope readings, but for discussion on astrology, we have to avoid any spoon feeding and give chance often to the members to excersise their brains as well, which is advantageous to them only, for their own growth. In this case, though the member is not asking for any personal reading, yet it should be in his favour, if we give him a chance to do some study himself, before he comes to us with his next question, is the right approach which I prefer, which makes the member independent in time to come, as a good astrologer. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Patrice Curry " <patricecurry wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > I don't wish to make too much of this and I hope this is not taken to infer > anything negative. But I want to be clear that anyone can, and is > encouraged, to ask questions here. One doesn't need to completely understand > on the basis of an answer, or a few answers. Instead discussion is > encouraged and Nilesh is capable of judging when to ask a question. > > > > Peace, > > Patrice > > > > _____ > > > > Please study above results and understand > them properly before asking any further questions. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> > , nilesh joshi <niljoshi27@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's ( > > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same as > > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his > > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now have > > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. > > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > Go to http://help. > <http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html> > /l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Nilesh, Benefic transit or Malefic , but related to Mundane or personal, theres a vast difference ? I have no knowledge of Mundane. Talking of Transits with relation to Individual Horoscopes, the same transit (Take any) can be- 1) Benefic for one ascendant and Malefic for another ascendant. (I would like you to tell me how and why) 2) Benefic for a ascendant and Malefic for same ascendant. (Please tell me how this can be possible) There are many rules for Benefic or Malefic depending - 1) on transit housewise from Moon. 2) on transit housewise from ascendant. 3) Signwise. 4) wrt Natal Planets (9) 5) wrt Ascendants. 6) wrt Constellations. 7) wrt aspects formed . 8) wrt the Meridian Cusp. 9) wrt Degree wise (Above). etc. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Would like to be elaborated on how we could define > benefic transit. > Taking the same example say Saturn getting into Leo we > can say it is entering into an enemy sign, however it > has a 7th drishti on Aquarius its own sign.Also its > 3rd drishti will be on Libra,the sign of exaltation. > > Best Regards > > Nilesh > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Nilesh, > > > > Saturn in Leo may not be bad for all natives, > > depending on various ascendants . > > But Saturn in Transit over Natal Saturn is normally > > bad for all natives whatever ascendant they may > > have. > > > > Regarding affects of slow moving planets- > > If transit is good then the good effects of > > transit will last for a longer period > > in the natives case. > > Jupiter will predominantly be good > > for one year in transit in giving > > good effects if benefic transit. > > > > Saturn will predominantly be good > > for 2 and a half years in giving > > good effects if benefic transit. > > > > Please study above results and understand > > them properly before asking any further questions. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , nilesh joshi > > <niljoshi27@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > What is the effect of having a slow moving > > planet's ( > > > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position > > same as > > > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > > > > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in > > his > > > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now > > have > > > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally > > strong. > > > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > > > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is > > just a click away. > > Go to > > > http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Patrice, That was a beautifully worded and kind mail from you. I appreciate your difficulties you face as Job of Moderator is not easy. I know I am harsh more than often, Which is why if You notice, I rarely write on this List nowadays. but believe me, my harshness is meant only for good of the poster. I will recede to the background from now on, if due to me there is any otherwise feeling on the Forum. By the way, it is good to see you back here, and I have not a single student studying under me, for I am no Guru on Astrology.Always in Learning mode. Wish all of you the best. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Patrice Curry " <patricecurry wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Whether you answer a question or post is up to you. And if you wish to tell > someone you want them to do more homework before asking you specifically, > it's understandable and courteous.. > > > > But as moderator here, I have received notes from people saying the feeling > of this list has changed and it feels more harsh in some ways. Many of the > old members have stopped writing much. It is the feeling of this list which > has made it what it is over the years, and special to us all. Others on the > list can judge for themselves if they think someone is beginning to pest or > ask too much the same questions, etc.. None of us are forced to respond to > anyone. But instructing someone to study and understand properly before > asking any further questions is stepping over subtle boundaries that are not > really yours to set. Agreed, you can set them for yourself and the time you > wish to put into the list, but is it up to you to guess what someone should > or shouldn't know or understand, and where they are in their understanding. > > > > This is my feeling on this. The kind of statements you made discourage some > from participating and asking other questions many genuinely would like to > further understand. That's not the message we want to give to the members of > this list, but rather support and encourage their passion here. > > > > This isn't about Nilesh, but specifically if I were to speak of what you've > written below, Nilesh is a old member of this list and has contributed much > over the years. He perfectly understands the way this lists works, and I > appreciate these questions he's asked as more students, myself included, > learn from these questions as well. That's basically how this works here, > really few ask but all gain from the discussions that follow. > > > > What you consider 'spoon-feeding' is fine for you to judge and use with your > own students but is it your place to make these kind of statements here. You > don't need to write long pages, and the responsibility to answer this > doesn't rest solely on your shoulders at all. You have the opportunity to > handle this in other ways. > > > > Bhaskar, it's the feeling or 'spirit' of the list, that I'm speaking of and > none of us want to see it growing more harsh. As mentioned, I've received > notes about this and I myself have seen this as well. > > > > Kindest regards, > > Patrice > > > > _____ > > > > > Dear Patrice , > > // Would like to be elaborated on how we > could define benefic transit. // > > This is what I wished to avoid Patrice and wanted the > Member to do his part, before questioning me again. > > I can infer that Mr. Nilesh is already knowing > the basics,and if I keep myself available for > answering all questions without hard work on part > of the member putting an enquiry, then the answer > can run into long pages, and also eventually > border on ones individual Horoscope, > which too would not be proper as per rules of the > Forum. To avoid answering personal Horoscopes > and to encourage some homework on part of the member > posting basic enquiries,so that we only have to > discuss some advanced matters, is the only > reason I have worded my 2 Lines You > have quoted, as such. > > Since this Forum is not for Free Horoscope readings, > but for discussion on astrology, we have to avoid any > spoon feeding and give chance often to the members > to excersise their brains as well, which is advantageous to > them only, for their own growth. > > In this case, though the member is not asking for any > personal reading, yet it should be in his favour, if > we give him a chance to do some study himself, before > he comes to us with his next question, is the right > approach which I prefer, which makes the member > independent in time to come, as a good astrologer. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> > , " Patrice Curry " > <patricecurry@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > I don't wish to make too much of this and I hope this is not taken > to infer > > anything negative. But I want to be clear that anyone can, and is > > encouraged, to ask questions here. One doesn't need to completely > understand > > on the basis of an answer, or a few answers. Instead discussion is > > encouraged and Nilesh is capable of judging when to ask a question. > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > Patrice > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Please study above results and understand > > them properly before asking any further questions. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> > > , nilesh joshi <niljoshi27@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's ( > > > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same as > > > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > > > > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his > > > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now have > > > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. > > > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > > > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > Go to http://help. > > <http://help. > <http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html> > /l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html> > > /l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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