Guest guest Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 Dear Vic, //Great! I feel like a zen satori moment here! I now understand what you mean and see the beauty in it! Thank you for taking the time to explain.// This discussion, of course, was intended simply to highlight the uniqueness of Janma Kundali and to point out that the vargas are nothing more than divisions of this. //Can we have some elucidation on the word " bhava " ???? I am very familiar with the term as it is related to the 8th and penultimate stage of advancement in bhakti-yoga. That term is Bhaava (with a long first " a " ). It refers to the state in which bhakti *becomes a part of your being.* This is quite similar to what you are describing here about the Zodiac signs becoming an intrinsic part of the essential nature ( " bhava " ) of the divisions of the sky!// Perhaps some of our other members might like to offer their thoughts on this whilst I tend to some things off-list...otherwise we can take this up later when I have more free time. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Friday, June 27, 2008 6:23 AM Re-Creation of the Bhavas > The act of creation I'm referring to is the signs of the Zodiac that > have > now " become " the 12 bhavas...this is a profound transformation...no > longer just zodiac signs. The whole sign from 00:00 to 30:00 degrees > is > now the bhava. It's more than just some mathematical calculation. This > " becoming " is an act of creation in itself. Aha!!! Now it's clear! Thank you. Yes!!!! Can we have some elucidation on the word " bhava " ???? I am very familiar with the term as it is related to the 8th and penultimate stage of advancement in bhakti-yoga. That term is Bhaava (with a long first " a " ). It refers to the state in which bhakti *becomes a part of your being.* This is quite similar to what you are describing here about the Zodiac signs becoming an intrinsic part of the essential nature ( " bhava " ) of the divisions of the sky! Great! I feel like a zen satori moment here! I now understand what you mean and see the beauty in it! Thank you for taking the time to explain. (BTW - " rashis " - also an interesting correlation to the Bhakti-yoga term " raasa " ) > In the same way the navagrahas have re-created (at the moment of > birth). > Sun has recreated within us as our physical self, our ego etc; Moon > has > become our mind, Mars our energy and courage, Mercury our intellect, > Jupiter our compassion, Venus our capacity to give and receive love, > Saturn our grief...and so on. This is the act of creation I'm > referring > to. The grahas re-create each time a new entity is born... My family and I just watched Episode 3 of Cosmos (by Carl Sagan, I am a *huge* fan) in which Sagan tackled Astrology and followed astrological developments up till the time of Johanas Kepler. This episode made me want to write an article explaining WHY astrology works. WHY the planets in the sky should have an affect on our affairs on Earth. This is extremely interesting information in that regard! I am developing the thesis that The living entity generates Karma, and that God/Universe invests certain beings with the task of assuring that the correct karma is meted out to the correct individual at the correct time, with 4 billion karmic beings delicately inter-balanced. Now, this is helpful as to the HOW! Any further input you (others are also welcome) can give in this regard will be exceedingly helpful to correctly developing this article and concept. > Didn't you say you wrote for the " Back to Godhead " magazine? Yes! Coincidentally, after about 14 years, just three days ago I submitted a new article to them which is currently in review, called " Astrology, Karma & Freewill " - but I'm not too sure they'll accept it because (1) I am too maveric for organized religions ;-) and (2) They tend to want to keep their magazine exclusively bhakti-yoga oriented. But since I wrote the article with a strong bhakti slant I think it has potential. I'll let you know!!! Yours Vic DiCara http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Dear Vic, Vedic Astrology has, as it basis, the unity (God) that underlines the whole cosmos. The variety and the diversity we see externally, is a product of our paucity of " vision " . As to Carl Sagan and his views on Astrology, this may not be the forum to discuss it, as he categorizes this ancient science of the seers as a " Psuedo Science " based on " Fuzzy Thinking " and " pious Fraud " . But Sagan was referring exclusively to western astrology. The views he expresses is similar to the Science Vs. Spirituality arguments. The planets and its expression of karma in our Natal Charts are the result of our ignorance of the basic purpose of human life. This means the charts show the results of actions of our past lives and its consequences, that we must experience because Desire for worldly objects was the main motivator. Once we act in total surrender (Devotion being the path for the Kali age) to God, we no longer are under the influence of the Karmic record keepers (planets). regards arun jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > //Great! I feel like a zen satori moment here! I now understand what you > mean and see the beauty in it! Thank you for taking the time to > explain.// > > This discussion, of course, was intended simply to highlight the > uniqueness of Janma Kundali and to point out that the vargas are nothing > more than divisions of this. > > //Can we have some elucidation on the word " bhava " ???? I am very > familiar with the term as it is related to the 8th and penultimate > stage of advancement in bhakti-yoga. That term is Bhaava (with a long > first " a " ). It refers to the state in which bhakti *becomes a part of > your being.* This is quite similar to what you are describing here > about the Zodiac signs becoming an intrinsic part of the essential > nature ( " bhava " ) of the divisions of the sky!// > > Perhaps some of our other members might like to offer their thoughts on > this whilst I tend to some things off-list...otherwise we can take this > up later when I have more free time. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Friday, June 27, 2008 6:23 AM > Re-Creation of the Bhavas > > > > The act of creation I'm referring to is the signs of the Zodiac that > > have > > now " become " the 12 bhavas...this is a profound transformation...no > > longer just zodiac signs. The whole sign from 00:00 to 30:00 degrees > > is > > now the bhava. It's more than just some mathematical calculation. This > > " becoming " is an act of creation in itself. > > Aha!!! Now it's clear! Thank you. Yes!!!! > > Can we have some elucidation on the word " bhava " ???? I am very > familiar with the term as it is related to the 8th and penultimate > stage of advancement in bhakti-yoga. That term is Bhaava (with a long > first " a " ). It refers to the state in which bhakti *becomes a part of > your being.* This is quite similar to what you are describing here > about the Zodiac signs becoming an intrinsic part of the essential > nature ( " bhava " ) of the divisions of the sky! > > Great! I feel like a zen satori moment here! I now understand what you > mean and see the beauty in it! Thank you for taking the time to explain. > > (BTW - " rashis " - also an interesting correlation to the Bhakti-yoga > term " raasa " ) > > > > In the same way the navagrahas have re-created (at the moment of > > birth). > > Sun has recreated within us as our physical self, our ego etc; Moon > > has > > become our mind, Mars our energy and courage, Mercury our intellect, > > Jupiter our compassion, Venus our capacity to give and receive love, > > Saturn our grief...and so on. This is the act of creation I'm > > referring > > to. The grahas re-create each time a new entity is born... > > My family and I just watched Episode 3 of Cosmos (by Carl Sagan, I am > a *huge* fan) in which Sagan tackled Astrology and followed > astrological developments up till the time of Johanas Kepler. This > episode made me want to write an article explaining WHY astrology > works. WHY the planets in the sky should have an affect on our affairs > on Earth. > > This is extremely interesting information in that regard! I am > developing the thesis that The living entity generates Karma, and that > God/Universe invests certain beings with the task of assuring that the > correct karma is meted out to the correct individual at the correct > time, with 4 billion karmic beings delicately inter-balanced. Now, > this is helpful as to the HOW! Any further input you (others are also > welcome) can give in this regard will be exceedingly helpful to > correctly developing this article and concept. > > > > Didn't you say you wrote for the " Back to Godhead " magazine? > > Yes! Coincidentally, after about 14 years, just three days ago I > submitted a new article to them which is currently in review, called > " Astrology, Karma & Freewill " - but I'm not too sure they'll accept it > because (1) I am too maveric for organized religions ;-) and (2) They > tend to want to keep their magazine exclusively bhakti-yoga oriented. > But since I wrote the article with a strong bhakti slant I think it > has potential. I'll let you know!!! > > Yours > Vic DiCara > http://www.vedicastrologer.net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Dear Arun, //The views he expresses is similar to the Science Vs. Spirituality arguments.// I don't recall having seen the Carl Sagan series, but (perhaps) we could think of it as a coming together (blending) of science and spirituality rather than one verses the other. The DVD series is currently out of stock at my store but I will try to get it when it becomes available to see for myself whether it compliments or opposes Vedic astrology. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " arun " <savitarcyber <jyotish-vidya > Friday, June 27, 2008 1:41 PM Re: Re-Creation of the Bhavas Dear Vic, Vedic Astrology has, as it basis, the unity (God) that underlines the whole cosmos. The variety and the diversity we see externally, is a product of our paucity of " vision " . As to Carl Sagan and his views on Astrology, this may not be the forum to discuss it, as he categorizes this ancient science of the seers as a " Psuedo Science " based on " Fuzzy Thinking " and " pious Fraud " . But Sagan was referring exclusively to western astrology. The views he expresses is similar to the Science Vs. Spirituality arguments. The planets and its expression of karma in our Natal Charts are the result of our ignorance of the basic purpose of human life. This means the charts show the results of actions of our past lives and its consequences, that we must experience because Desire for worldly objects was the main motivator. Once we act in total surrender (Devotion being the path for the Kali age) to God, we no longer are under the influence of the Karmic record keepers (planets). regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Carl Sagan is a brilliant man I deeply respect for his scientific integrity and the bravery to take it to the American public successfully in televised form. But he ignored Vedic astrology and concentrates only on tabloid western astrology. Nonetheless he dedicates about a whole episode to showing how astrology led to modern astrology and focused on Kepler. In another Episode (I forget the number) he spoke extremely highly of the Vedic cosmological world view and said it was the most consistent of all religious views with modern scientific observations. Yours Vic DiCara http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Dear Vic, //Can we have some elucidation on the word " bhava " ???? I am very familiar with the term as it is related to the 8th and penultimate stage of advancement in bhakti-yoga. That term is Bhaava (with a long first " a " ). It refers to the state in which bhakti *becomes a part of your being.* This is quite similar to what you are describing here about the Zodiac signs becoming an intrinsic part of the essential nature ( " bhava " ) of the divisions of the sky!// I'm not too sure how to answer this? In jyotish terms, " Bhava " simply means " House " or " Area of Life " . Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Friday, June 27, 2008 6:23 AM Re-Creation of the Bhavas > The act of creation I'm referring to is the signs of the Zodiac that > have > now " become " the 12 bhavas...this is a profound transformation...no > longer just zodiac signs. The whole sign from 00:00 to 30:00 degrees > is > now the bhava. It's more than just some mathematical calculation. This > " becoming " is an act of creation in itself. Aha!!! Now it's clear! Thank you. Yes!!!! Can we have some elucidation on the word " bhava " ???? I am very familiar with the term as it is related to the 8th and penultimate stage of advancement in bhakti-yoga. That term is Bhaava (with a long first " a " ). It refers to the state in which bhakti *becomes a part of your being.* This is quite similar to what you are describing here about the Zodiac signs becoming an intrinsic part of the essential nature ( " bhava " ) of the divisions of the sky! Great! I feel like a zen satori moment here! I now understand what you mean and see the beauty in it! Thank you for taking the time to explain. (BTW - " rashis " - also an interesting correlation to the Bhakti-yoga term " raasa " ) > In the same way the navagrahas have re-created (at the moment of > birth). > Sun has recreated within us as our physical self, our ego etc; Moon > has > become our mind, Mars our energy and courage, Mercury our intellect, > Jupiter our compassion, Venus our capacity to give and receive love, > Saturn our grief...and so on. This is the act of creation I'm > referring > to. The grahas re-create each time a new entity is born... My family and I just watched Episode 3 of Cosmos (by Carl Sagan, I am a *huge* fan) in which Sagan tackled Astrology and followed astrological developments up till the time of Johanas Kepler. This episode made me want to write an article explaining WHY astrology works. WHY the planets in the sky should have an affect on our affairs on Earth. This is extremely interesting information in that regard! I am developing the thesis that The living entity generates Karma, and that God/Universe invests certain beings with the task of assuring that the correct karma is meted out to the correct individual at the correct time, with 4 billion karmic beings delicately inter-balanced. Now, this is helpful as to the HOW! Any further input you (others are also welcome) can give in this regard will be exceedingly helpful to correctly developing this article and concept. > Didn't you say you wrote for the " Back to Godhead " magazine? Yes! Coincidentally, after about 14 years, just three days ago I submitted a new article to them which is currently in review, called " Astrology, Karma & Freewill " - but I'm not too sure they'll accept it because (1) I am too maveric for organized religions ;-) and (2) They tend to want to keep their magazine exclusively bhakti-yoga oriented. But since I wrote the article with a strong bhakti slant I think it has potential. I'll let you know!!! Yours Vic DiCara http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Dear Wendy, Actually i did a search in google with " Carl Sagan and astrology " and got a 8 minute video clipping in which Sagan expresses his views (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKnyt07gWU). He was very clear in is total disregard for astrology. Though at the end he says that there is a " deeper connection " that exists between all of creation. regards arun jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Arun, > > //The views he expresses is similar to the Science Vs. Spirituality > arguments.// > > I don't recall having seen the Carl Sagan series, but (perhaps) we could > think of it as a coming together (blending) of science and spirituality > rather than one verses the other. The DVD series is currently out of > stock at my store but I will try to get it when it becomes available to > see for myself whether it compliments or opposes Vedic astrology. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > > > - > " arun " <savitarcyber > <jyotish-vidya > > Friday, June 27, 2008 1:41 PM > Re: Re-Creation of the Bhavas > > > Dear Vic, > > Vedic Astrology has, as it basis, the unity (God) that underlines the > whole cosmos. The variety and the diversity we see externally, is a > product of our paucity of " vision " . > As to Carl Sagan and his views on Astrology, this may not be the > forum to discuss it, as he categorizes this ancient science of the > seers as a " Psuedo Science " based on " Fuzzy Thinking " and " pious > Fraud " . But Sagan was referring exclusively to western astrology. The > views he expresses is similar to the Science Vs. Spirituality > arguments. > > The planets and its expression of karma in our Natal Charts are the > result of our ignorance of the basic purpose of human life. This > means the charts show the results of actions of our past lives and > its consequences, that we must experience because Desire for worldly > objects was the main motivator. Once we act in total surrender > (Devotion being the path for the Kali age) to God, we no longer are > under the influence of the Karmic record keepers (planets). > > regards > arun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Dear Arun, Well, if he's basing his opinion solely on " Tabloid Sun Sign Astrology " , I have to say I'm in total agreement with him. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " arun " <savitarcyber <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:26 PM Re: Re-Creation of the Bhavas Dear Wendy, Actually i did a search in google with " Carl Sagan and astrology " and got a 8 minute video clipping in which Sagan expresses his views (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKnyt07gWU). He was very clear in is total disregard for astrology. Though at the end he says that there is a " deeper connection " that exists between all of creation. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Dear Wendy, My contention is this... As a scientist of international repute, to debunk astrology based on a superficial survey of the tabloid astrology is to say, at the very least, a totally " unscientific " approach. If science has taught us anything, it is to do proper research, widen our understanding of the subject to the limits of our capability, and put forward our conclusions. In this Mr. Sagan has failed and shown the inherent bias that physicists have against any line of thinking that is " intuitive " . The modern sciences have all suffered from seriously wrong assumptions, through out its history. regards arun jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Arun, > > Well, if he's basing his opinion solely on " Tabloid Sun Sign Astrology " , > I have to say I'm in total agreement with him. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " arun " <savitarcyber > <jyotish-vidya > > Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:26 PM > Re: Re-Creation of the Bhavas > > > Dear Wendy, > > Actually i did a search in google with " Carl Sagan and astrology " and > got a 8 minute video clipping in which Sagan expresses his views > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKnyt07gWU). He was very clear in is > total disregard for astrology. Though at the end he says that there > is a " deeper connection " that exists between all of creation. > > > regards > arun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Arunji, As much as I respect Mr. Sagan, I must admit you are 100% correct. However we will forgive him because his intention is not to teach about astrology but about astronomy. But you are right. Yours, Vic On Jun 28, 2008, at 10:12 PM, arun wrote: > Dear Wendy, > > My contention is this... > > As a scientist of international repute, to debunk astrology based on > a superficial survey of the tabloid astrology is to say, at the very > least, a totally " unscientific " approach. > If science has taught us anything, it is to do proper research, widen > our understanding of the subject to the limits of our capability, and > put forward our conclusions. > In this Mr. Sagan has failed and shown the inherent bias that > physicists have against any line of thinking that is " intuitive " . The > modern sciences have all suffered from seriously wrong assumptions, > through out its history. > > regards > arun > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > <jyotishvidya wrote: >> >> Dear Arun, >> >> Well, if he's basing his opinion solely on " Tabloid Sun Sign > Astrology " , >> I have to say I'm in total agreement with him. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya.com >> ___ >> >> >> - >> " arun " <savitarcyber >> <jyotish-vidya > >> Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:26 PM >> Re: Re-Creation of the Bhavas >> >> >> Dear Wendy, >> >> Actually i did a search in google with " Carl Sagan and astrology " > and >> got a 8 minute video clipping in which Sagan expresses his views >> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKnyt07gWU). He was very clear in > is >> total disregard for astrology. Though at the end he says that there >> is a " deeper connection " that exists between all of creation. >> >> >> regards >> arun >> > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Dear Arun, //If science has taught us anything, it is to do proper research, widen our understanding of the subject to the limits of our capability, and put forward our conclusions.// This applies equally to astrologers who close their minds to the technological advancements that have made it possible to view the physical universe from the comfort of our living rooms. Discoveries such as the Superstring theory (The Elegant Universe) which expands on Einstein's theory of relativity should add to our understanding of the universe and our relationship with it rather than take away from it. Dr John Hagelin, for instance, explains the superstring theory (the unified field) beautifully in relation to the Vedas. It's a great pity that the large majority of both Astrologers and Astronomers are prejudiced in their thinking towards each other. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " arun " <savitarcyber <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:12 PM Re: Re-Creation of the Bhavas Dear Wendy, My contention is this... As a scientist of international repute, to debunk astrology based on a superficial survey of the tabloid astrology is to say, at the very least, a totally " unscientific " approach. If science has taught us anything, it is to do proper research, widen our understanding of the subject to the limits of our capability, and put forward our conclusions. In this Mr. Sagan has failed and shown the inherent bias that physicists have against any line of thinking that is " intuitive " . The modern sciences have all suffered from seriously wrong assumptions, through out its history. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Dear Arun and All, The reference I made (below) to " The Elegant Universe " was in connection with the series of the same name. I have the DVD but for those interested it can be viewed online here http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html It does go off a bit into so-called parallel universes but none-the-less it has some excellent (scientific) information. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:21 PM Re: Re: Re-Creation of the Bhavas Dear Arun, //If science has taught us anything, it is to do proper research, widen our understanding of the subject to the limits of our capability, and put forward our conclusions.// This applies equally to astrologers who close their minds to the technological advancements that have made it possible to view the physical universe from the comfort of our living rooms. Discoveries such as the Superstring theory (The Elegant Universe) which expands on Einstein's theory of relativity should add to our understanding of the universe and our relationship with it rather than take away from it. Dr John Hagelin, for instance, explains the superstring theory (the unified field) beautifully in relation to the Vedas. It's a great pity that the large majority of both Astrologers and Astronomers are prejudiced in their thinking towards each other. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " arun " <savitarcyber <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:12 PM Re: Re-Creation of the Bhavas Dear Wendy, My contention is this... As a scientist of international repute, to debunk astrology based on a superficial survey of the tabloid astrology is to say, at the very least, a totally " unscientific " approach. If science has taught us anything, it is to do proper research, widen our understanding of the subject to the limits of our capability, and put forward our conclusions. In this Mr. Sagan has failed and shown the inherent bias that physicists have against any line of thinking that is " intuitive " . The modern sciences have all suffered from seriously wrong assumptions, through out its history. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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