Guest guest Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Dear LY Rao Sahib, Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to defend the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not require any body's protection as these are the protectors of mankind ). My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision about Lal Kitab. Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all the rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your perception that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am afraid - utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal Kitbist have been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected this scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly not. Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, they were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was their inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script only, Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our age-old traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean. The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not disseminating the true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people like you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it is claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend his doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets upto some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but miracles do happens, aren't they? Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too strongly believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As per Lal kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an umbrella to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and invite cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what will be your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the beast to kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect them. If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will surely raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not enter his premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people calls remedy. As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures are concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. Most of the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if Lal Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, Purohit, teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds – I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from any of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he glad to explain the validation behind that. You have raised questions and asked for a " single authentic example " of the " Benefit " of a " remedy " of Lal Kitab. I have dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in such a futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is trying to prove everybody else wrong. Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour to Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with numerous of those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will that be OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup Chand Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see that even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that village. Now your doubt regarding " Various editions " of Lal Kitab is concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five editions. A modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this revolutionary branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939 " was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages. (2). Second edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940 " was published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 284 pages. (3). Third edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941 " was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 428 pages. (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab -1942 " was published in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages. (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab-1952 " was published in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages. Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five editions in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy Scriptures. If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to show you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy). Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why don't you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to procure the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), study them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 years, you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. Believe me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, religion, spirituality and Karma. Respectfully Yograj Prabhakar lalkitab , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Despite several queries and reminders,the " experts " in Lal Kitab donot > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the > prognostications or " remedies " ... > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's destiny...after > Bramha has written it at one's birth... > How can one explain Lal Kitab ? > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give me a > single authenticated example of the " benefit " a " remedy " of Lal Kitab > has truly benefitted a human being... > A placebo effect has a " success rate " of 50 to 60%...in any case... > Lal Kitab is nothing but " glorified placebo effects " ...! > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab " expert " to presnt a > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal Kitab > recommendations... > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY PROVE THAT > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Dear Parbhakar ji, Dhanyavaad. Lekin aap shayad yah bhool gaye hain ki " Baya ne Bunder ko seekh di thi ki ghar bnake ke kyon nahin rahta to Bunder ne uska hi Ghosla ujad diya tha. " Mr. LY Rao Lalkitab ko to choden JYOTISH ke baare main hi kitna gyan rakhate hain yeh to unhone bataya hi nahin. Esliye unhe aap kya samjha sakte hain? I Think Mr Rao is himself a big HOX. Umesh Sharma lalkitab , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear LY Rao Sahib, > > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few > weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came > forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before > proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to defend > the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not > require any body's protection as these are the protectors of mankind ). > My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision about Lal > Kitab. > > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all the > rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your perception > that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am afraid - > utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the > consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal Kitbist have > been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected this > scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly not. > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, they > were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of > original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was their > inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script only, > Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our age-old > traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean. > > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not disseminating the > true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people like > you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. > > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it is > claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend his > doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets upto > some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but > miracles do happens, aren't they? > > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too strongly > believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As per Lal > kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an umbrella > to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to > protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and invite > cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what will be > your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the beast to > kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect them. > If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will surely > raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not enter his > premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people calls > remedy. > > As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures are > concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. Most of > the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if Lal > Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If > someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, Purohit, > teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds – > I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from any > of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he glad > to explain the validation behind that. > > You have raised questions and asked for a " single authentic > example " of the " Benefit " of a " remedy " of Lal Kitab. I have > dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in > hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in such a > futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is > trying to prove everybody else wrong. > > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour to > Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with numerous of > those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your > satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will that be > OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup Chand > Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see that > even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that > village. > > Now your doubt regarding " Various editions " of Lal Kitab is > concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five editions. A > modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt > Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this revolutionary > branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. > > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939 " > was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, Lahore, > contains 384 pages. > (2). Second edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940 " was > published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 284 > pages. > (3). Third edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941 " > was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 428 > pages. > (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab -1942 " was published > in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages. > (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab-1952 " was published > in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages. > > Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five editions > in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy Scriptures. > If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to show > you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy). > > Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why don't > you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to procure > the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), study > them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 years, > you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. Believe > me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, religion, > spirituality and Karma. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > lalkitab , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > > > Despite several queries and reminders,the " experts " in Lal Kitab > donot > > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the > > prognostications or " remedies " ... > > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been > > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's destiny...after > > Bramha has written it at one's birth... > > How can one explain Lal Kitab ? > > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give me a > > single authenticated example of the " benefit " a " remedy " of Lal Kitab > > has truly benefitted a human being... > > A placebo effect has a " success rate " of 50 to 60%...in any case... > > Lal Kitab is nothing but " glorified placebo effects " ...! > > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab " expert " to presnt a > > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal Kitab > > recommendations... > > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY PROVE THAT > > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Respected Umesh Bhai Now I understand why everybody ignored him, it would have been a sheer wastage of precious time and energy. However, I “wasted” mine only to explicate him how erroneous and juvenile is his perception about a holy scripture. You are absolutely right; he seems to be suffering from some kind of complex. He probably belongs to an “astro tribe,” who, without knowing ABC of the Lal Kitab are spreading rumors to grab cheap publicity and attention of the people. This envious snobbish under-achiever cult cannot relish the success of other streams of astrology. The gauche way he Challenged everyone evidently illustrates his motive and the “caliber” he possess. I agree with your example of "Bayya and Bandar", and I will always keep it in my mind. But at the same time, on behalf of every true Lal Kitab devotee I would like to remind the power and strength of the Holy Lal Kitab to people like Mr. Rao (through one of my couplet I wrote in my early 20s): Hain Meharbaan Is Qadar, Ye Meharbaan Mere,Ki Mitaaney ki Taaq mein hain, sab nishaan mere.Agar Mazboot naa hota, kabhi ka jal Gaya hota,Girin Hazaron Dafa Ghar Pe Bijliyaan Mere. Thanks once again for a valuable advise. RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: Dear Parbhakar ji, Dhanyavaad. Lekin aap shayad yah bhool gaye hain ki " Baya ne Bunder ko seekh di thi ki ghar bnake ke kyon nahin rahta to Bunder ne uska hi Ghosla ujad diya tha." Mr. LY Rao Lalkitab ko to choden JYOTISH ke baare main hi kitna gyan rakhate hain yeh to unhone bataya hi nahin. Esliye unhe aap kya samjha sakte hain? I Think Mr Rao is himself a big HOX. Umesh Sharma lalkitab , "Yograj Prabhakar" <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear LY Rao Sahib, > > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few > weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came > forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before > proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to defend > the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not > require any body's protection as these are the protectors of mankind ). > My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision about Lal > Kitab. > > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all the > rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your perception > that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am afraid - > utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the > consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal Kitbist have > been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected this > scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly not. > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, they > were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of > original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was their > inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script only, > Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our age-old > traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean. > > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not disseminating the > true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people like > you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. > > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it is > claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend his > doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets upto > some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but > miracles do happens, aren't they? > > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too strongly > believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As per Lal > kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an umbrella > to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to > protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and invite > cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what will be > your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the beast to > kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect them. > If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will surely > raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not enter his > premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people calls > remedy. > > As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures are > concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. Most of > the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if Lal > Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If > someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, Purohit, > teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds – > I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from any > of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he glad > to explain the validation behind that. > > You have raised questions and asked for a "single authentic > example" of the "Benefit" of a "remedy" of Lal Kitab. I have > dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in > hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in such a > futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is > trying to prove everybody else wrong. > > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour to > Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with numerous of > those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your > satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will that be > OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup Chand > Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see that > even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that > village. > > Now your doubt regarding "Various editions" of Lal Kitab is > concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five editions. A > modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt > Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this revolutionary > branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. > > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939" > was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, Lahore, > contains 384 pages. > (2). Second edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940" was > published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 284 > pages. > (3). Third edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941" > was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 428 > pages. > (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab -1942" was published > in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages. > (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab-1952" was published > in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages. > > Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five editions > in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy Scriptures. > If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to show > you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy). > > Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why don't > you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to procure > the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), study > them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 years, > you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. Believe > me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, religion, > spirituality and Karma. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > lalkitab , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > > > Despite several queries and reminders,the "experts" in Lal Kitab > donot > > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the > > prognostications or "remedies"... > > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been > > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's destiny...after > > Bramha has written it at one's birth... > > How can one explain Lal Kitab ? > > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give me a > > single authenticated example of the "benefit" a "remedy" of Lal Kitab > > has truly benefitted a human being... > > A placebo effect has a "success rate" of 50 to 60%...in any case... > > Lal Kitab is nothing but "glorified placebo effects"...! > > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab "expert" to presnt a > > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal Kitab > > recommendations... > > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY PROVE THAT > > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...! > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Dear Umesh Sharma, You are a nothing less than a QUACK,Umesh Sharma... who " practices " prognostication from Lal Kitab...but cannot,and perhaps does not even himself know the rationale... and thus cannot explain the rationale of Lal Kitab...neither do you want to engage in a discussion about it... You cannot hide the fact that you are a QUACK,conning innocent and gullible innocent people...and stoopso low as to call people like me who question the rationale of Lal Kitab names and cite parables etc...do anything else but get touched to the quick when questioned about the rationale of LAL KITAB... IT HAS BEEN OVER TWO WEEKS NOW BUT NOT A SINGLE Lal Kitab " EXPERT " HAS BEEN ABLE TO MUSTER ENOUGH COURAGE TO ADMIT THAT LAL KITAB HAS NO RATIONALE...BUT JUST A COLLECTION OF SOME SAYINGS OF OLD...! ! SHAME ON YOU LAL KITAB-WALAS... ALL LALKITABWALAS ARE WATCHING THIS,AND MUST SURELY BE ASHAMED OF YOU ALL... I HOPE YOU ALL DO NOT NOW RUN AWAY WITHOUT GIVING ME THE RATIONALE...IF YOU DO...THEN JUMP IN THE NEAREST WELL OUT OF SHEER SHAME... L.Y.RAO. L.Y.Rao. > > Dear Parbhakar ji, > Dhanyavaad. Lekin aap shayad yah bhool gaye hain ki " Baya ne Bunder > ko seekh di thi ki ghar bnake ke kyon nahin rahta to Bunder ne uska > hi Ghosla ujad diya tha. " Mr. LY Rao Lalkitab ko to choden JYOTISH > ke baare main hi kitna gyan rakhate hain yeh to unhone bataya hi > nahin. Esliye unhe aap kya samjha sakte hain? I Think Mr Rao is > himself a big HOX. > Umesh Sharma > lalkitab , " Yograj Prabhakar " > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Dear LY Rao Sahib, > > > > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few > > weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came > > forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before > > proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to > defend > > the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not > > require any body's protection as these are the protectors of > mankind ). > > My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision > about Lal > > Kitab. > > > > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all > the > > rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your > perception > > that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am > afraid - > > utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the > > consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal > Kitbist have > > been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected > this > > scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly > not. > > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, > they > > were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of > > original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was > their > > inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script > only, > > Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our > age-old > > traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean. > > > > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not > disseminating the > > true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people > like > > you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. > > > > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it > is > > claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend > his > > doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets > upto > > some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but > > miracles do happens, aren't they? > > > > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too > strongly > > believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As > per Lal > > kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an > umbrella > > to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to > > protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and > invite > > cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what > will be > > your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the > beast to > > kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect > them. > > If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will > surely > > raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not > enter his > > premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people > calls > > remedy. > > > > As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures > are > > concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. > Most of > > the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if > Lal > > Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If > > someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, > Purohit, > > teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds – > > I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from > any > > of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he > glad > > to explain the validation behind that. > > > > You have raised questions and asked for a " single authentic > > example " of the " Benefit " of a " remedy " of Lal Kitab. I have > > dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in > > hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in > such a > > futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is > > trying to prove everybody else wrong. > > > > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour > to > > Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with > numerous of > > those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your > > satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will > that be > > OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup > Chand > > Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see > that > > even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that > > village. > > > > Now your doubt regarding " Various editions " of Lal Kitab is > > concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five > editions. A > > modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt > > Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this > revolutionary > > branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. > > > > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939 " > > was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, > Lahore, > > contains 384 pages. > > (2). Second edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940 " was > > published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains > 284 > > pages. > > (3). Third edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941 " > > was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, > contains 428 > > pages. > > (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab -1942 " was published > > in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages. > > (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab-1952 " was published > > in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages. > > > > Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five > editions > > in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy > Scriptures. > > If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to > show > > you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy). > > > > Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why > don't > > you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to > procure > > the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), > study > > them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 > years, > > you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. > Believe > > me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, > religion, > > spirituality and Karma. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Despite several queries and reminders,the " experts " in Lal Kitab > > donot > > > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the > > > prognostications or " remedies " ... > > > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been > > > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's > destiny...after > > > Bramha has written it at one's birth... > > > How can one explain Lal Kitab ? > > > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give > me a > > > single authenticated example of the " benefit " a " remedy " of Lal > Kitab > > > has truly benefitted a human being... > > > A placebo effect has a " success rate " of 50 to 60%...in any > case... > > > Lal Kitab is nothing but " glorified placebo effects " ...! > > > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab " expert " to > presnt a > > > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal > Kitab > > > recommendations... > > > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY > PROVE THAT > > > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 respected gurujaan, My personal request is do'nt answer such queries which is baseless . Please continue your good work on lalkitab . India is full of uneducated persons and Mr. LY Rao is one such person who look like not a firm believer of god and the holy lal kitab. If he is not interested than why he is being a memeber of this group . regards mukesh --- Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: > Dear Parbhakar ji, > Dhanyavaad. Lekin aap shayad yah bhool gaye hain ki > " Baya ne Bunder > ko seekh di thi ki ghar bnake ke kyon nahin rahta to > Bunder ne uska > hi Ghosla ujad diya tha. " Mr. LY Rao Lalkitab ko to > choden JYOTISH > ke baare main hi kitna gyan rakhate hain yeh to > unhone bataya hi > nahin. Esliye unhe aap kya samjha sakte hain? I > Think Mr Rao is > himself a big HOX. > Umesh Sharma > lalkitab , " Yograj > Prabhakar " > <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > > > Dear LY Rao Sahib, > > > > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest > for the last few > > weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts > ever dared to came > > forward to answer your questions. I must make > myself clear before > > proceeding further that I am neither here to > offend anyone nor to > defend > > the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy > scripture do not > > require any body's protection as these are the > protectors of > mankind ). > > My only endeavor is to help you to improve your > blurred vision > about Lal > > Kitab. > > > > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct > book, you have all > the > > rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear > Sir, your > perception > > that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat > reasonable, but I am > afraid - > > utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your > impression is the > > consequence of what many of the semi literate > so-called Lal > Kitbist have > > been disseminating over the years about this book. > They projected > this > > scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas > it is certainly > not. > > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely > guilty. Because, > they > > were forced to read whatever they could find in > the absence of > > original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle > against them was > their > > inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published > in Urdu script > only, > > Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book > conform to our > age-old > > traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of > this great ocean. > > > > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for > not > disseminating the > > true soul of this astrology among the society, > that allowed people > like > > you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. > > > > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere > in Lal kitab it > is > > claimed that one can change his fate. But one can > certainly amend > his > > doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of > malefic planets > upto > > some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in > miracles- but > > miracles do happens, aren't they? > > > > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal > Kitab too > strongly > > believes in Karma but in a bit different and > no-nonsense way. As > per Lal > > kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can > atleast use an > umbrella > > to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if > someone tries to > > protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make > yourself wet and > invite > > cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks > your kids, what > will be > > your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma > and allow the > beast to > > kill the children? I bet, you will try your level > best to protect > them. > > If a wild beast start coming into a residential > area, one will > surely > > raise the walls or fence his house so that the > beast could not > enter his > > premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence > is what people > calls > > remedy. > > > > As far as your questions regarding rationale of > remedial measures > are > > concerned, each remedy has a social and almost > scientific logic. > Most of > > the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale > one require if > Lal > > Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or > womanizing? If > > someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting > the parents, > Purohit, > > teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding > animals and birds – > > I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick > any remedy from > any > > of the Original books and forward to this august > forum. I will he > glad > > to explain the validation behind that. > > > > You have raised questions and asked for a " single > authentic > > example " of the " Benefit " of a " remedy " of Lal > Kitab. I have > > dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh > Sharma ji has in > > hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a > holy granth in > such a > > futile discussion where someone having no > knowledge of Lal kitab is > > trying to prove everybody else wrong. > > > > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in > you, plan a tour > to > > Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a > meting with > numerous of > > those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its > remedies. For your > > satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting > with you, will > that be > > OK for you? I will also take you to the native > village of Pt. Rup > Chand > > Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal > Kitab. You will see > that > > even now, people use to bow their heads in the > direction of that > > village. > > > > Now your doubt regarding " Various editions " of Lal > Kitab is > > concerned, I would like to give you the details of > all five > editions. A > > modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village > Pharwala (Distt > > Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of > this > revolutionary > > branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. > > > > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke > Farmaan-1939 " > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Dear Yograj Sahib, Tell me whether Lal Kitab followers believe in the Karm Philosophy or not ? At the time of one's birth,Brahma writes ones destiny,and once it is written,nobody can change it,not even Brahma himself...This,is as per the Karma Philosophy/Theory... If this is true,just how can " Upayas " help at all ? Unless,they are only psychological placebos.. ! Whereas Astrology tries to unravel one's destiny... That is why I have asked this...also no reliable book on Lal Kitab is available in the market as many that are available are fake ones...says one follower,on your site itself... Also therefore,everytime I asked about the rationale of Lal Kitab,all of you refused to give ne a cogent explanation...finally in order to provoke u all to give me some explanation I called it a hoax...! ! Pl. also peruse my letter to Mr.Umesh Sharma...and I hope you will send me,jointly or seperately,a reply to all my searching questions... With one LAST HOPE OF receiving a cogent and detailed reply regarding the rationale of Lal Kitab... L.Y.Rao. > > Dear LY Rao Sahib, > > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few > weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came > forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before > proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to defend > the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not > require any body's protection as these are the protectors of mankind ). > My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision about Lal > Kitab. > > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all the > rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your perception > that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am afraid - > utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the > consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal Kitbist have > been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected this > scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly not. > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, they > were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of > original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was their > inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script only, > Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our age-old > traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean. > > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not disseminating the > true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people like > you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. > > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it is > claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend his > doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets upto > some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but > miracles do happens, aren't they? > > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too strongly > believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As per Lal > kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an umbrella > to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to > protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and invite > cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what will be > your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the beast to > kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect them. > If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will surely > raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not enter his > premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people calls > remedy. > > As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures are > concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. Most of > the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if Lal > Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If > someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, Purohit, > teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds – > I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from any > of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he glad > to explain the validation behind that. > > You have raised questions and asked for a " single authentic > example " of the " Benefit " of a " remedy " of Lal Kitab. I have > dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in > hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in such a > futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is > trying to prove everybody else wrong. > > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour to > Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with numerous of > those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your > satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will that be > OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup Chand > Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see that > even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that > village. > > Now your doubt regarding " Various editions " of Lal Kitab is > concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five editions. A > modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt > Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this revolutionary > branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. > > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939 " > was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, Lahore, > contains 384 pages. > (2). Second edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940 " was > published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 284 > pages. > (3). Third edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941 " > was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 428 > pages. > (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab -1942 " was published > in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages. > (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab-1952 " was published > in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages. > > Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five editions > in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy Scriptures. > If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to show > you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy). > > Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why don't > you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to procure > the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), study > them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 years, > you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. Believe > me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, religion, > spirituality and Karma. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > lalkitab , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > > > Despite several queries and reminders,the " experts " in Lal Kitab > donot > > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the > > prognostications or " remedies " ... > > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been > > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's destiny...after > > Bramha has written it at one's birth... > > How can one explain Lal Kitab ? > > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give me a > > single authenticated example of the " benefit " a " remedy " of Lal Kitab > > has truly benefitted a human being... > > A placebo effect has a " success rate " of 50 to 60%...in any case... > > Lal Kitab is nothing but " glorified placebo effects " ...! > > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab " expert " to presnt a > > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal Kitab > > recommendations... > > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY PROVE THAT > > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Rao Sahib,Perhaps you have not read my mail carefully, please read it once again. I have answered each of your question regarding karma, rationale and remedial measures already. I Also invited you to my place to clear any doubt whatsoever, but I am still waiting for your response regarding that. In one of your post you claimed that you are in astrology since 1957, so I believe that a with such a long experience should be in the "Uniform", but I am afraid even after wasting more than half a century, you are still in the "Liquid form" as far as the knowledge of astrology is concerned, otherwise you would not have such a negative approach towards other streams.Finally Rao Sahib, scholars never provoke anyone by using such a gauche way, rather they motivate people. Have a nice dayYograj Prabhakar"L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Yograj Sahib, Tell me whether Lal Kitab followers believe in the Karm Philosophy or not ? At the time of one's birth,Brahma writes ones destiny,and once it is written,nobody can change it,not even Brahma himself...This,is as per the Karma Philosophy/Theory... If this is true,just how can "Upayas" help at all ? Unless,they are only psychological placebos.. ! Whereas Astrology tries to unravel one's destiny... That is why I have asked this...also no reliable book on Lal Kitab is available in the market as many that are available are fake ones...says one follower,on your site itself... Also therefore,everytime I asked about the rationale of Lal Kitab,all of you refused to give ne a cogent explanation...finally in order to provoke u all to give me some explanation I called it a hoax...! ! Pl. also peruse my letter to Mr.Umesh Sharma...and I hope you will send me,jointly or seperately,a reply to all my searching questions... With one LAST HOPE OF receiving a cogent and detailed reply regarding the rationale of Lal Kitab... L.Y.Rao. > > Dear LY Rao Sahib, > > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few > weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came > forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before > proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to defend > the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not > require any body's protection as these are the protectors of mankind ). > My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision about Lal > Kitab. > > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all the > rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your perception > that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am afraid - > utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the > consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal Kitbist have > been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected this > scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly not. > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, they > were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of > original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was their > inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script only, > Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our age-old > traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean. > > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not disseminating the > true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people like > you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. > > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it is > claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend his > doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets upto > some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but > miracles do happens, aren't they? > > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too strongly > believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As per Lal > kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an umbrella > to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to > protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and invite > cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what will be > your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the beast to > kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect them. > If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will surely > raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not enter his > premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people calls > remedy. > > As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures are > concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. Most of > the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if Lal > Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If > someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, Purohit, > teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds – > I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from any > of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he glad > to explain the validation behind that. > > You have raised questions and asked for a "single authentic > example" of the "Benefit" of a "remedy" of Lal Kitab. I have > dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in > hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in such a > futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is > trying to prove everybody else wrong. > > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour to > Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with numerous of > those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your > satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will that be > OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup Chand > Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see that > even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that > village. > > Now your doubt regarding "Various editions" of Lal Kitab is > concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five editions. A > modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt > Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this revolutionary > branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. > > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939" > was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, Lahore, > contains 384 pages. > (2). Second edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940" was > published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 284 > pages. > (3). Third edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941" > was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 428 > pages. > (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab -1942" was published > in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages. > (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab-1952" was published > in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages. > > Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five editions > in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy Scriptures. > If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to show > you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy). > > Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why don't > you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to procure > the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), study > them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 years, > you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. Believe > me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, religion, > spirituality and Karma. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > lalkitab , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > > > Despite several queries and reminders,the "experts" in Lal Kitab > donot > > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the > > prognostications or "remedies"... > > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been > > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's destiny...after > > Bramha has written it at one's birth... > > How can one explain Lal Kitab ? > > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give me a > > single authenticated example of the "benefit" a "remedy" of Lal Kitab > > has truly benefitted a human being... > > A placebo effect has a "success rate" of 50 to 60%...in any case... > > Lal Kitab is nothing but "glorified placebo effects"...! > > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab "expert" to presnt a > > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal Kitab > > recommendations... > > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY PROVE THAT > > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...! > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Guest guest Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Dear Mukesh Bhai, You are absolutely right, that would have been the best policy. But I decided to poke my nose only to avoid the condition of: " Bhala Manas Andar Vadya - Lu**** Kehnda Mere Ton Darya.... " Take care and have a nice day Yograj Prabhakar lalkitab , MUKESH ANAND <mukesha_us wrote: > > respected gurujaan, > My personal request is do'nt > answer such queries which is baseless . Please > continue your good work on lalkitab . India is full of > uneducated persons and Mr. LY Rao is one such person > who look like not a firm believer of god and the holy > lal kitab. If he is not interested than why he is > being a memeber of this group . > > regards > mukesh > > --- Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: > > > Dear Parbhakar ji, > > Dhanyavaad. Lekin aap shayad yah bhool gaye hain ki > > " Baya ne Bunder > > ko seekh di thi ki ghar bnake ke kyon nahin rahta to > > Bunder ne uska > > hi Ghosla ujad diya tha. " Mr. LY Rao Lalkitab ko to > > choden JYOTISH > > ke baare main hi kitna gyan rakhate hain yeh to > > unhone bataya hi > > nahin. Esliye unhe aap kya samjha sakte hain? I > > Think Mr Rao is > > himself a big HOX. > > Umesh Sharma > > lalkitab , " Yograj > > Prabhakar " > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear LY Rao Sahib, > > > > > > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest > > for the last few > > > weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts > > ever dared to came > > > forward to answer your questions. I must make > > myself clear before > > > proceeding further that I am neither here to > > offend anyone nor to > > defend > > > the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy > > scripture do not > > > require any body's protection as these are the > > protectors of > > mankind ). > > > My only endeavor is to help you to improve your > > blurred vision > > about Lal > > > Kitab. > > > > > > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct > > book, you have all > > the > > > rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear > > Sir, your > > perception > > > that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat > > reasonable, but I am > > afraid - > > > utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your > > impression is the > > > consequence of what many of the semi literate > > so-called Lal > > Kitbist have > > > been disseminating over the years about this book. > > They projected > > this > > > scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas > > it is certainly > > not. > > > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely > > guilty. Because, > > they > > > were forced to read whatever they could find in > > the absence of > > > original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle > > against them was > > their > > > inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published > > in Urdu script > > only, > > > Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book > > conform to our > > age-old > > > traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of > > this great ocean. > > > > > > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for > > not > > disseminating the > > > true soul of this astrology among the society, > > that allowed people > > like > > > you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. > > > > > > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere > > in Lal kitab it > > is > > > claimed that one can change his fate. But one can > > certainly amend > > his > > > doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of > > malefic planets > > upto > > > some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in > > miracles- but > > > miracles do happens, aren't they? > > > > > > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal > > Kitab too > > strongly > > > believes in Karma but in a bit different and > > no-nonsense way. As > > per Lal > > > kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can > > atleast use an > > umbrella > > > to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if > > someone tries to > > > protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make > > yourself wet and > > invite > > > cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks > > your kids, what > > will be > > > your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma > > and allow the > > beast to > > > kill the children? I bet, you will try your level > > best to protect > > them. > > > If a wild beast start coming into a residential > > area, one will > > surely > > > raise the walls or fence his house so that the > > beast could not > > enter his > > > premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence > > is what people > > calls > > > remedy. > > > > > > As far as your questions regarding rationale of > > remedial measures > > are > > > concerned, each remedy has a social and almost > > scientific logic. > > Most of > > > the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale > > one require if > > Lal > > > Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or > > womanizing? If > > > someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting > > the parents, > > Purohit, > > > teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding > > animals and birds – > > > I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick > > any remedy from > > any > > > of the Original books and forward to this august > > forum. I will he > > glad > > > to explain the validation behind that. > > > > > > You have raised questions and asked for a " single > > authentic > > > example " of the " Benefit " of a " remedy " of Lal > > Kitab. I have > > > dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh > > Sharma ji has in > > > hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a > > holy granth in > > such a > > > futile discussion where someone having no > > knowledge of Lal kitab is > > > trying to prove everybody else wrong. > > > > > > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in > > you, plan a tour > > to > > > Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a > > meting with > > numerous of > > > those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its > > remedies. For your > > > satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting > > with you, will > > that be > > > OK for you? I will also take you to the native > > village of Pt. Rup > > Chand > > > Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal > > Kitab. You will see > > that > > > even now, people use to bow their heads in the > > direction of that > > > village. > > > > > > Now your doubt regarding " Various editions " of Lal > > Kitab is > > > concerned, I would like to give you the details of > > all five > > editions. A > > > modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village > > Pharwala (Distt > > > Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of > > this > > revolutionary > > > branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. > > > > > > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke > > Farmaan-1939 " > > > === message truncated === > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Dear Mr.Rao, I wrote you a mail earlier also indicating that every branch of astrlogy is complete in case an astrologer has adequate kwoledge of the subject.Before moving on the topic I tell you two incidents are my personal experience and I am quoting both of the incidents which are as under: 1.In December 1998 Mr.Hariharan,son of Prof.K.S.Krishanamurthy, and promoting KP Padhtti these days, organized a confrence on KP Padhtti and savants from every part of India took part in it. I along with two of my friends got an opputunity to meet Mr.Hariharan in his room early in the morning before the conference. One of my friend asked him (Mr.Hari...)a query regarding his addmission to MD through enterance examination. After casting chart,cusp of houses,significators and of course ruling planets of day mr.hariharan declared that you are sure to get selected.in the same conference we came accross a sikh gentleman who praised KP padhti the way you are doing, he too declared that the said person will get addmission,after that another blindfolded follower, like you, was consulted and he too predicted same thing. But it is a matter of regret that all the three fellows failed since the said person couldnot get selected. in case you are keen to veryfy the facts i am providing the name mobile number of the poor fellow, it would be very nice if talk to him(Name of the person:Dr.Vinod Jain and mobile No.Is:09815836230) One person can committ mistake agreed but all the three silly fellows eailed and still talking very high of Kp system as you are doing. 2.Second incident happened with me itself and the person I consulted is known as second KS.Krishanamurthy. My son sent tranferred some funds from Germany through a very reputed internatiol bank. when i did not recieve the money for a month i went to above mentioned person just to know that when i am going to get these funds and the rplly i got was silly as well as horrible since he said you will not get the full funds. Now i request you to use your sharp(which is perhaps rusted with passage of age) intelligence if send you some money will you get half of it? So mr.rao, once again i request you to take part in discussion for the sake of discussion only. if you are not conversant with a specific branch of astrlogy you have no right to criticise it.criticism can be done by a person who is well conversant with the subject. Furhter I had suggested you in my earlier mail that Mr.Yograj Parbhakar,i won't mind calling him as an authority on Lal Kitab, has offered you to become his guest and see it your self what a wonderful system it is. you had wriiten in an earlier mail that one cannot change one's destiny with the help of remedies and in this regards i will quote two examples:1.if you have read hindu mythology in that case you will be well aware of the instance when Saviri rescued her husband Satyavan from the clutches of Yama.2.Jeejabai(mother of chhatapati shivaji) was told that in case you delay the delivery of child for few hours the boy thus born will become a Chhatarpti king and this happened. Now here is an offer to you if you have son, daughter, grand son or a granddaughter of a marriageable and their horoscopes are indicating a happy and peace full married life you fix any one's marrige during shardhas and if you do that we, member of group will bear the whole expences. Well gentelman be polite and try to understand other theories and the views of learned members.(Varna Punjabi mein ek kahwat hai " andhe ke aage rona, apne deede khona " ya phir bhains ke aage been bajane se koi fayada nahin hone wala) Regards, Dr.Amar Aggarwal lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Rao Sahib, > > Perhaps you have not read my mail carefully, please read it once again. I have answered each of your question regarding karma, rationale and remedial measures already. I Also invited you to my place to clear any doubt whatsoever, but I am still waiting for your response regarding that. > > In one of your post you claimed that you are in astrology since 1957, so I believe that a with such a long experience should be in the " Uniform " , but I am afraid even after wasting more than half a century, you are still in the " Liquid form " as far as the knowledge of astrology is concerned, otherwise you would not have such a negative approach towards other streams. > > Finally Rao Sahib, scholars never provoke anyone by using such a gauche way, rather they motivate people. > > Have a nice day > Yograj Prabhakar > > > " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Yograj Sahib, > Tell me whether Lal Kitab followers believe in the > Karm Philosophy or not ? > At the time of one's birth,Brahma writes ones > destiny,and once it is written,nobody can change it,not even Brahma > himself...This,is as per the Karma Philosophy/Theory... > If this is true,just how can " Upayas " help at > all ? Unless,they are only psychological placebos.. ! > Whereas Astrology tries to unravel one's destiny... > That is why I have asked this...also no reliable > book on Lal Kitab is available in the market as many that are > available are fake ones...says one follower,on your site itself... > Also therefore,everytime I asked about the > rationale of Lal Kitab,all of you refused to give ne a cogent > explanation...finally in order to provoke u all to give me some > explanation I called it a hoax...! ! > Pl. also peruse my letter to Mr.Umesh Sharma...and > I hope you will send me,jointly or seperately,a reply to all my > searching questions... > With one LAST HOPE OF receiving a cogent and > detailed reply regarding the rationale of Lal Kitab... > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > Dear LY Rao Sahib, > > > > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few > > weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came > > forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before > > proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to > defend > > the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not > > require any body's protection as these are the protectors of > mankind ). > > My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision > about Lal > > Kitab. > > > > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all > the > > rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your > perception > > that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am > afraid - > > utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the > > consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal Kitbist > have > > been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected > this > > scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly > not. > > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, they > > were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of > > original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was > their > > inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script > only, > > Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our > age-old > > traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean. > > > > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not disseminating > the > > true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people > like > > you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth. > > > > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it > is > > claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend > his > > doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets upto > > some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but > > miracles do happens, aren't they? > > > > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too strongly > > believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As > per Lal > > kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an > umbrella > > to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to > > protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and > invite > > cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what > will be > > your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the > beast to > > kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect > them. > > If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will > surely > > raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not > enter his > > premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people > calls > > remedy. > > > > As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures > are > > concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. > Most of > > the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if Lal > > Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If > > someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, > Purohit, > > teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds – > > I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from > any > > of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he > glad > > to explain the validation behind that. > > > > You have raised questions and asked for a " single authentic > > example " of the " Benefit " of a " remedy " of Lal Kitab. I have > > dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in > > hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in > such a > > futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is > > trying to prove everybody else wrong. > > > > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour > to > > Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with > numerous of > > those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your > > satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will that > be > > OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup > Chand > > Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see > that > > even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that > > village. > > > > Now your doubt regarding " Various editions " of Lal Kitab is > > concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five > editions. A > > modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt > > Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this > revolutionary > > branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab. > > > > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939 " > > was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, Lahore, > > contains 384 pages. > > (2). Second edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940 " was > > published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 284 > > pages. > > (3). Third edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941 " > > was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, > contains 428 > > pages. > > (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab -1942 " was published > > in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages. > > (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab " Lal Kitab-1952 " was published > > in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages. > > > > Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five > editions > > in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy > Scriptures. > > If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to > show > > you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy). > > > > Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why don't > > you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to > procure > > the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), > study > > them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 > years, > > you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. > Believe > > me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, > religion, > > spirituality and Karma. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Despite several queries and reminders,the " experts " in Lal Kitab > > donot > > > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the > > > prognostications or " remedies " ... > > > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been > > > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's > destiny...after > > > Bramha has written it at one's birth... > > > How can one explain Lal Kitab ? > > > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give me > a > > > single authenticated example of the " benefit " a " remedy " of Lal > Kitab > > > has truly benefitted a human being... > > > A placebo effect has a " success rate " of 50 to 60%...in any > case... > > > Lal Kitab is nothing but " glorified placebo effects " ...! > > > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab " expert " to > presnt a > > > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal > Kitab > > > recommendations... > > > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY PROVE > THAT > > > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...! > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Dear Mr Rao i am member of this forum as well I am not a astrologer but poking myself into this discussion to stress one point..That LAL Kitaab is a true sceince. as a layman, human being , i have experience the benefit results of this science since last 15 years and i owe a lot to this science as it has saved my familty members from the tough times.. I was 18 year old when this science has saved my life and till date i have seen miraclous results of upays. I am Physic( Hons) and MBA ( export) student from Delhi university . Being a science student i also have at times see things from suspicious angle or try to find out the cause and effect relationships with each and every act but then these i do understand that science laws cant be applied to all things. There are many things which are still beyond the calculative arena of science. Our scientist have still not decipher many things on this universe like why DNA of 2 persons are not same ?, why we cant create identical DNA ?, why cant we create controlled fusion ?... why samde medical treatment produces different results with diffrnt people. Does all these example imply that Science is also a big Hoax...... After experiencing the benefits of this branch of astrology, i have thought of studying this field and looking for a guidance of good teacher. for a experience person like you,ill suggest that next time you are in problem, try the upayas of lal kitab and u will yourself feel the difference. all renowed scholors of this forum will like to help you out in time of need. Namashkar Mohit beli Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakarlalkitab Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:22:35 AMRe: [lalkitab] Re: LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX... Rao Sahib,Perhaps you have not read my mail carefully, please read it once again. I have answered each of your question regarding karma, rationale and remedial measures already. I Also invited you to my place to clear any doubt whatsoever, but I am still waiting for your response regarding that. In one of your post you claimed that you are in astrology since 1957, so I believe that a with such a long experience should be in the "Uniform", but I am afraid even after wasting more than half a century, you are still in the "Liquid form" as far as the knowledge of astrology is concerned, otherwise you would not have such a negative approach towards other streams.Finally Rao Sahib, scholars never provoke anyone by using such a gauche way, rather they motivate people. Have a nice dayYograj Prabhakar"L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Yograj Sahib,Tell me whether Lal Kitab followers believe in the Karm Philosophy or not ?At the time of one's birth,Brahma writes ones destiny,and once it is written,nobody can change it,not even Brahma himself...This, is as per the Karma Philosophy/Theory. ..If this is true,just how can "Upayas" help at all ? Unless,they are only psychological placebos.. !Whereas Astrology tries to unravel one's destiny...That is why I have asked this...also no reliable book on Lal Kitab is available in the market as many that are available are fake ones...says one follower,on your site itself... Also therefore,everytime I asked about the rationale of Lal Kitab,all of you refused to give ne a cogent explanation. ..finally in order to provoke u all to give me some explanation I called it a hoax...! !Pl. also peruse my letter to Mr.Umesh Sharma...and I hope you will send me,jointly or seperately,a reply to all my searching questions...With one LAST HOPE OF receiving a cogent and detailed reply regarding the rationale of Lal Kitab...L.Y.Rao.>> Dear LY Rao Sahib,> > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few> weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came> forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before> proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to defend> the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not> require any body's protection as these are the protectors of mankind ).> My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision about Lal> Kitab.> > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all the> rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your perception> that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am afraid -> utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the> consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal Kitbist have> been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected this> scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly not. > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, they> were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of> original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was their> inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script only,> Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our age-old> traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean.> > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not disseminating the> true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people like> you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth.> > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it is> claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend his> doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets upto> some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but> miracles do happens, aren't they?> > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too strongly> believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As per Lal> kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an umbrella> to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to> protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and invite> cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what will be> your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the beast to> kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect them.> If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will surely> raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not enter his> premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people calls> remedy.> > As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures are> concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. Most of> the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if Lal> Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If> someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, Purohit,> teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds –> I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from any> of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he glad> to explain the validation behind that.> > You have raised questions and asked for a "single authentic> example" of the "Benefit" of a "remedy" of Lal Kitab. I have> dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in> hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in such a> futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is> trying to prove everybody else wrong.> > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour to> Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with numerous of> those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your> satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will that be> OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup Chand> Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see that> even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that> village.> > Now your doubt regarding "Various editions" of Lal Kitab is> concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five editions. A> modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt> Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this revolutionary> branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab.> > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939"> was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, Lahore,> contains 384 pages.> (2). Second edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940" was> published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 284> pages.> (3). Third edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941"> was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 428> pages.> (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab -1942" was published> in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages.> (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab-1952" was published> in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages.> > Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five editions> in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy Scriptures.> If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to show> you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy).> > Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why don't> you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to procure> the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), study> them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 years,> you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. Believe> me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, religion,> spirituality and Karma.> > Respectfully> Yograj Prabhakar> > > > lalkitab, "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@>> wrote:> >> > Despite several queries and reminders,the "experts" in Lal Kitab> donot> > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the> > prognostications or "remedies".. .> > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been> > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's destiny...after> > Bramha has written it at one's birth...> > How can one explain Lal Kitab ?> > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give me a> > single authenticated example of the "benefit" a "remedy" of Lal Kitab> > has truly benefitted a human being...> > A placebo effect has a "success rate" of 50 to 60%...in any case...> > Lal Kitab is nothing but "glorified placebo effects"...!> > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab "expert" to presnt a> > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal Kitab> > recommendations. ..> > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY PROVE THAT> > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...!> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 My dear members, Someone calls Lal Kitab a big hoax, someone may call it adivine science. However, the fact is that it is an endeavour of human beings to straighten the path of every body's destiny. All astrological works simply research the effecets as the planetary position stands at birth, its aspects, its progression, its summary indications and close analysis. The science of astrology is undoubtedly founded on the theory of Karma and a conviction that the soul is in the continuous process of evolution through Karmas. Hence there has been an attempt to nullify the malefic Karmas or at least neutralize or dilute thaem tyo the possible extent. Lal Kitab boldly remarks in the opening chapters that Your Karmas may smoothen the path of life but not the framework of life in this life, because it has already been fixed. However, you can improve upon it through Karmas fo an elevated life in the next birth. Theree has been a consistant broblem with human nature that it tries to jump at the conclusionns instantly in the middle of study and some times it forgets that this is in haste and may mislead. How many of astrologers take the trouble to cast aall annual charts of different foms as advised by Lal Kitab? How many of us have an unflinking faith in Karma theory. Lal Kitab is a epic book of Samudrika Shashtra. If any body has an interest in Lal kitab and has some knowledge of English, one should go through the book "Lal Kitab, A System of Progression and curative Measure" , by R.S.Chillar. This is a Sagar Publication, New Delhi. Hope one would see some light. With best wishes and kind regars. R.S.Chillar Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg wrote: Dear Mr Rao i am member of this forum as well I am not a astrologer but poking myself into this discussion to stress one point..That LAL Kitaab is a true sceince. as a layman, human being , i have experience the benefit results of this science since last 15 years and i owe a lot to this science as it has saved my familty members from the tough times.. I was 18 year old when this science has saved my life and till date i have seen miraclous results of upays. I am Physic( Hons) and MBA ( export) student from Delhi university . Being a science student i also have at times see things from suspicious angle or try to find out the cause and effect relationships with each and every act but then these i do understand that science laws cant be applied to all things. There are many things which are still beyond the calculative arena of science. Our scientist have still not decipher many things on this universe like why DNA of 2 persons are not same ?, why we cant create identical DNA ?, why cant we create controlled fusion ?... why samde medical treatment produces different results with diffrnt people. Does all these example imply that Science is also a big Hoax...... After experiencing the benefits of this branch of astrology, i have thought of studying this field and looking for a guidance of good teacher. for a experience person like you,ill suggest that next time you are in problem, try the upayas of lal kitab and u will yourself feel the difference. all renowed scholors of this forum will like to help you out in time of need. Namashkar Mohit beli Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar >lalkitab Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:22:35 AMRe: [lalkitab] Re: LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX... Rao Sahib,Perhaps you have not read my mail carefully, please read it once again. I have answered each of your question regarding karma, rationale and remedial measures already. I Also invited you to my place to clear any doubt whatsoever, but I am still waiting for your response regarding that. In one of your post you claimed that you are in astrology since 1957, so I believe that a with such a long experience should be in the "Uniform", but I am afraid even after wasting more than half a century, you are still in the "Liquid form" as far as the knowledge of astrology is concerned, otherwise you would not have such a negative approach towards other streams.Finally Rao Sahib, scholars never provoke anyone by using such a gauche way, rather they motivate people. Have a nice dayYograj Prabhakar"L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Yograj Sahib,Tell me whether Lal Kitab followers believe in the Karm Philosophy or not ?At the time of one's birth,Brahma writes ones destiny,and once it is written,nobody can change it,not even Brahma himself...This, is as per the Karma Philosophy/Theory. ..If this is true,just how can "Upayas" help at all ? Unless,they are only psychological placebos.. !Whereas Astrology tries to unravel one's destiny...That is why I have asked this...also no reliable book on Lal Kitab is available in the market as many that are available are fake ones...says one follower,on your site itself... Also therefore,everytime I asked about the rationale of Lal Kitab,all of you refused to give ne a cogent explanation. ..finally in order to provoke u all to give me some explanation I called it a hoax...! !Pl. also peruse my letter to Mr.Umesh Sharma...and I hope you will send me,jointly or seperately,a reply to all my searching questions...With one LAST HOPE OF receiving a cogent and detailed reply regarding the rationale of Lal Kitab...L.Y.Rao.>> Dear LY Rao Sahib,> > Actually, I was reading this thread with interest for the last few> weeks. It is a pity that no Lal Kitab stalwarts ever dared to came> forward to answer your questions. I must make myself clear before> proceeding further that I am neither here to offend anyone nor to defend> the holy Lal Kitab (I have strong belief that holy scripture do not> require any body's protection as these are the protectors of mankind ).> My only endeavor is to help you to improve your blurred vision about Lal> Kitab.> > Since you are not familiar with this sacrosanct book, you have all the> rights in the word to say anything about it. Dear Sir, your perception> that Lal Kitab is a big Hoax is somewhat reasonable, but I am afraid -> utterly incorrect. It is not your fault, your impression is the> consequence of what many of the semi literate so-called Lal Kitbist have> been disseminating over the years about this book. They projected this> scripture as a Totka book, a mystical one, whereas it is certainly not. > Even these Lal kitabist too are not completely guilty. Because, they> were forced to read whatever they could find in the absence of> original/authentic books. Moreover another hurdle against them was their> inability to read Urdu as Lal Kitab was published in Urdu script only,> Believe me, Lal Kitab is a totally spiritual book conform to our age-old> traditions. The remedy is just a small portion of this great ocean.> > The quacks of Lal kitab are the main culprits for not disseminating the> true soul of this astrology among the society, that allowed people like> you to raise fingers towards this Holy Granth.> > You have talked about the Karma theory, at nowhere in Lal kitab it is> claimed that one can change his fate. But one can certainly amend his> doings and actions to reduce the ill effects of malefic planets upto> some extent, cant he?. Lal Kitab never believes in miracles- but> miracles do happens, aren't they?> > Continue with the Karma, Dear Sir! the holy Lal Kitab too strongly> believes in Karma but in a bit different and no-nonsense way. As per Lal> kitab theory you cannot stop rain, but you can atleast use an umbrella> to protect yourself. Tell me what is wrong if someone tries to> protect/defend himself? Will it be wise to make yourself wet and invite> cold and flu?? Tell me, if a wild animal attacks your kids, what will be> your reaction? Will you leave everything to karma and allow the beast to> kill the children? I bet, you will try your level best to protect them.> If a wild beast start coming into a residential area, one will surely> raise the walls or fence his house so that the beast could not enter his> premises. Dear Sir, that umbrella, wall and fence is what people calls> remedy.> > As far as your questions regarding rationale of remedial measures are> concerned, each remedy has a social and almost scientific logic. Most of> the remedies are self-explanatory, what rationale one require if Lal> Kitab advise a native to quit drinking, smoking or womanizing? If> someone wishes to know the rationale of respecting the parents, Purohit,> teacher or donating food to baggers, or feeding animals and birds –> I feel really sorry for him. I request you to pick any remedy from any> of the Original books and forward to this august forum. I will he glad> to explain the validation behind that.> > You have raised questions and asked for a "single authentic> example" of the "Benefit" of a "remedy" of Lal Kitab. I have> dozens of such examples (scholars like Pt. Umesh Sharma ji has in> hundreds) , but it is against my ethics to drag a holy granth in such a> futile discussion where someone having no knowledge of Lal kitab is> trying to prove everybody else wrong.> > Dear Sir! If you really have an urge for truth in you, plan a tour to> Punjab, be my guest for a week, I will arrange a meting with numerous of> those who were benefited by Lal Kitab and its remedies. For your> satisfaction I can arrange a one to one meeting with you, will that be> OK for you? I will also take you to the native village of Pt. Rup Chand> Joshi ji the originator and author of this Lal Kitab. You will see that> even now, people use to bow their heads in the direction of that> village.> > Now your doubt regarding "Various editions" of Lal Kitab is> concerned, I would like to give you the details of all five editions. A> modern seer Pundit Rup chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt> Jalandhar, Punjab) is the originator and author of this revolutionary> branch of Indian astrology known as Lal Kitab.> > (1). Very first edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Ke Farmaan-1939"> was published in the year 1939 from Imperial Printing Press, Lahore,> contains 384 pages.> (2). Second edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Ke Armaan-1940" was> published in the year 1940 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 284> pages.> (3). Third edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa -1941"> was published in the year 1941 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 428> pages.> (4). Fourth edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab -1942" was published> in the year 1942 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 384 pages.> (5). Fifth edition of Lal kItab "Lal Kitab-1952" was published> in the year 1952 from Hajjazee Press, Lahore, contains 1173 pages.> > Owner of this group Sh. Umesh Sharma ji having all these five editions> in original, you can visit him if you want to see these Holy Scriptures.> If you can bless me by visiting my Gharib-Khana, I will be glad to show> you these Granths (4 in original and one xerox copy).> > Rao Sahib, Instead of behaving like bull in a China shop, why don't> you do something worthwhile? Take my advise - Learn Urdu, try to procure> the original Lal Kitabs (I will be glad to provide these to you), study> them throughly under the guidance of an able scholar for 10-15 years,> you will find each and every answer of your queries yourself. Believe> me, it will teach you the truest meanings of life, astrology, religion,> spirituality and Karma.> > Respectfully> Yograj Prabhakar> > > > lalkitab, "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@>> wrote:> >> > Despite several queries and reminders,the "experts" in Lal Kitab> donot> > or perhaps cannot explain the rationale,if at all, behind all the> > prognostications or "remedies".. .> > Every true Hindu believes in the Karma theory...and it has been> > demonstrated that No body or Nothing can CHANGE one's destiny...after> > Bramha has written it at one's birth...> > How can one explain Lal Kitab ?> > No Lal Kitab stalwart has,as yet mustered the courage to give me a> > single authenticated example of the "benefit" a "remedy" of Lal Kitab> > has truly benefitted a human being...> > A placebo effect has a "success rate" of 50 to 60%...in any case...> > Lal Kitab is nothing but "glorified placebo effects"...!> > I am throwing an open challenge to any Lal Kitab "expert" to presnt a> > single authenticated case of benefits derived from observing Lal Kitab> > recommendations. ..> > IF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER,IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY PROVE THAT> > LAL KITAB IS A BIG HOAX...!> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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