Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 The bhava chart is also known as the Chalit Chart. It comes from the system where all houses are not considered equal. Basically the Ascendant degree and the MC are used to arrive at the span of various houses. Each house is not exactly 30 degrees. The size depends upon the the factors I mentioned above. GJ allows one to select the preferences for equal and unequal houses. Venkatesh varahamihira, jaan911@h... wrote: > Dear Venkatesh > > what exactly do you mean by the bhava chart? > which program are you using to generate a bhava chart? > > are you are talking about bhava lagna and houses in reference to that? > > otherwise i think that we simply take the sign that lagna is in and > use that as the first house, and the next signs will be the 2nd 3rd > 4th and so on. the whole sign from 0 to 30 degrees will be the > relevent house. so if lagna is 5 degrees in taurus, the whole of > taurus becomes first house, the whole of gemini becomes second etc > > Dr Raman chose a slightly different system where we take 15 degree > either side of the lagna, which mean you can have a house which has > parts of it in two different signs. that system is not advocated here > i dont think. > > if you are refering to bhava lagna, which is a special lagna like > hora lagna, ghatika langa , varnada lagna then i wouldnt worry about > it just yet, you would have to grasp all the basic principles first > before attempting to learn about bhava lagna. > > anyone else please feel free to correct me > > love > jaan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Dear friends, I have never spoken about Bhava Charts or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in this forum,so as not to confuse the members, here who are totally into traditional astrology and Natal Chart analysis. But for those members who do follow Bhava charts, I would like to make it clear, that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change Bhava, but the sign does not change, for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart, Saturn in the Natal Chart, is in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart, BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA. The signs where the original planets are placed at time of Birth, do not change, only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava means house results. Therefore Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give the 7th houses results, but as regards to quality of the results, the quality of Saturn placed in Pisces would remain. Make this very clear, before any of you attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart. Ant attempts without study done, would mean wrong application of Astrological principles. This is my last word on Bhava Charts, unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 respected bhaskar ji, Bhavarth Bhavam sidhanta is diffrent with - as you discribed. it applies more on saturn and partialy on other planets. the sidhant is - if saturn is lord of 3 - 6- 8- 12 house i.e for example in 3rd house makara rashi is there and in 4th house kumbha rashi is there and saturn is present in 5th house, then it will not make any harm to 3rd house, even increase the good result of 3rd house, as it is discribed in detail in Jatak Sarawali - adhyaya 8 shloka 93 to 109. rgds deepak sharma jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I have never spoken about Bhava Charts > or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in > this forum,so as not to confuse the members, > here who are totally into traditional astrology > and Natal Chart analysis. > > But for those members who do follow Bhava > charts, I would like to make it clear, > that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change > Bhava, but the sign does not change, > for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart, > Saturn in the Natal Chart, is > in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves > to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart, > BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA. > The signs where the original planets > are placed at time of Birth, do not change, > only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava > means house results. Therefore > Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give > the 7th houses results, but as regards to > quality of the results, the quality of Saturn > placed in Pisces would remain. > > Make this very clear, before any of you > attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart. > > Ant attempts without study done, would > mean wrong application of Astrological > principles. > > This is my last word on Bhava Charts, > unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Deepakji, I do not know much of these Shastras and their Chapters and shlokas. But I know that I can predict what will happen when, in a natives Life, with a good success rate. I was not talking about what you were talking ( Bhavata Bhavam ). I know a little about what is Bhavat Bhavam, but what I know is not what you have just described described as Bhavat Bhavam. I was talking about Bhava Charts or Bhava Chalit. This is not related to Bhavata Bhavam what you were speaking about, previously and now. It would not be any use to explain what I know, since i feel that you have done a good reading of the Shastras and books. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000 wrote: > > respected bhaskar ji, > Bhavarth Bhavam sidhanta is diffrent with - as you discribed. it > applies more on saturn and partialy on other planets. > > the sidhant is - if saturn is lord of 3 - 6- 8- 12 house i.e for > example in 3rd house makara rashi is there and in 4th house kumbha > rashi is there and saturn is present in 5th house, then it will not > make any harm to 3rd house, even increase the good result of 3rd > house, as it is discribed in detail in Jatak Sarawali - adhyaya 8 > shloka 93 to 109. > > rgds > deepak sharma > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I have never spoken about Bhava Charts > > or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in > > this forum,so as not to confuse the members, > > here who are totally into traditional astrology > > and Natal Chart analysis. > > > > But for those members who do follow Bhava > > charts, I would like to make it clear, > > that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change > > Bhava, but the sign does not change, > > for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart, > > Saturn in the Natal Chart, is > > in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves > > to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart, > > BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA. > > The signs where the original planets > > are placed at time of Birth, do not change, > > only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava > > means house results. Therefore > > Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give > > the 7th houses results, but as regards to > > quality of the results, the quality of Saturn > > placed in Pisces would remain. > > > > Make this very clear, before any of you > > attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart. > > > > Ant attempts without study done, would > > mean wrong application of Astrological > > principles. > > > > This is my last word on Bhava Charts, > > unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Deepak ji I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your un-divided attention and devotion for those few minutes. Ask him what you want and get it with ease. It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the importance of astrology. But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and only a directional map on your tendencies. You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very hard either. It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from door to door seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand themselves to be able to better design their future. The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, its great, but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel the difference. He will open the right door at the right time and give you the right thought as you enter that right door. I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, but let me say one thing, you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv your co-architect. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, spider man <key2000 wrote: > respected bhaskar ji, > Bhavarth Bhavam sidhanta is diffrent with - as you discribed. it > applies more on saturn and partialy on other planets. > > the sidhant is - if saturn is lord of 3 - 6- 8- 12 house i.e for > example in 3rd house makara rashi is there and in 4th house kumbha > rashi is there and saturn is present in 5th house, then it will not > make any harm to 3rd house, even increase the good result of 3rd > house, as it is discribed in detail in Jatak Sarawali - adhyaya 8 > shloka 93 to 109. > > rgds > deepak sharma > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I have never spoken about Bhava Charts > > or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in > > this forum,so as not to confuse the members, > > here who are totally into traditional astrology > > and Natal Chart analysis. > > > > But for those members who do follow Bhava > > charts, I would like to make it clear, > > that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change > > Bhava, but the sign does not change, > > for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart, > > Saturn in the Natal Chart, is > > in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves > > to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart, > > BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA. > > The signs where the original planets > > are placed at time of Birth, do not change, > > only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava > > means house results. Therefore > > Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give > > the 7th houses results, but as regards to > > quality of the results, the quality of Saturn > > placed in Pisces would remain. > > > > Make this very clear, before any of you > > attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart. > > > > Ant attempts without study done, would > > mean wrong application of Astrological > > principles. > > > > This is my last word on Bhava Charts, > > unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 rajiv, i am agree with you, i am doing it from my childhood, but now i will do from the best of my soul and heart. my salute to you. rgds deepak sharma jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra wrote: > > Dear Deepak ji > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your un- divided > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the importance of > astrology. > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and only > a directional map on your tendencies. > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very hard > either. > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from door to door > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand themselves to be > able to better design their future. > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, its great, > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel the > difference. > He will open the right door at the right time and give you the right thought > as you enter that right door. > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, but let me > say one thing, > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv your > co-architect. > > > Om Namah Shivay > Rajeev > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, spider man <key2000 wrote: > > > respected bhaskar ji, > > Bhavarth Bhavam sidhanta is diffrent with - as you discribed. it > > applies more on saturn and partialy on other planets. > > > > the sidhant is - if saturn is lord of 3 - 6- 8- 12 house i.e for > > example in 3rd house makara rashi is there and in 4th house kumbha > > rashi is there and saturn is present in 5th house, then it will not > > make any harm to 3rd house, even increase the good result of 3rd > > house, as it is discribed in detail in Jatak Sarawali - adhyaya 8 > > shloka 93 to 109. > > > > rgds > > deepak sharma > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>, > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > I have never spoken about Bhava Charts > > > or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in > > > this forum,so as not to confuse the members, > > > here who are totally into traditional astrology > > > and Natal Chart analysis. > > > > > > But for those members who do follow Bhava > > > charts, I would like to make it clear, > > > that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change > > > Bhava, but the sign does not change, > > > for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart, > > > Saturn in the Natal Chart, is > > > in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves > > > to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart, > > > BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA. > > > The signs where the original planets > > > are placed at time of Birth, do not change, > > > only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava > > > means house results. Therefore > > > Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give > > > the 7th houses results, but as regards to > > > quality of the results, the quality of Saturn > > > placed in Pisces would remain. > > > > > > Make this very clear, before any of you > > > attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart. > > > > > > Ant attempts without study done, would > > > mean wrong application of Astrological > > > principles. > > > > > > This is my last word on Bhava Charts, > > > unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Rajeev, ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the importance of astrology. But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and only a directional map on your tendencies. You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very hard either.// I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not even the saints can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very holy men who suffered great physical infirmity during their closing years. At the same time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's enjoying excellent health and vigour (commensurate with their age of course)...there are even some who are still actively involved in seniors sports competitions etc. I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships whilst other more worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of life. Destiny IS, plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is what separates the saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular meditation develops blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by outward circumstances. But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on Lord Siva etc.) is preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of cajoling will convince someone to spend time in meditation. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM Re: Re: Bhava Chart Dear Deepak ji I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your un-divided attention and devotion for those few minutes. Ask him what you want and get it with ease. It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the importance of astrology. But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and only a directional map on your tendencies. You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very hard either. It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from door to door seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand themselves to be able to better design their future. The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, its great, but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel the difference. He will open the right door at the right time and give you the right thought as you enter that right door. I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, but let me say one thing, you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv your co-architect. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear , No astro can become that Dog, because if he is a real astro, he would have already become that quick Dog. About the normal dogs, whom one would wish to make a quick Dog, please teach the common Dog, first to stick to one lane for looking for crumbs. If the common Dog is going to visit every house in the lane for crumbs and wag his tail tirelessly, and then again visit another lane, not satisfied with the crumbs received uptil now, then you cannot make the Dog, a swift quick one and a favourite, ever in your life. Its like trying to push the tail of the Dog in a pipe and straighten it. This analogy of linking Dogs to astros or astros to Dogs, and natives , can backfire, so we better avoid this. Anothe rpoint, if just talking about God and sitting and meditating could'help without any other Karma ( Action) then'there would have been no Hospitals, Doctors, Courts, or Lawmakers, because one can sit, meditate and put an end to all his worries, Isnt it ? No its not easy. Empty stomache is not easy to worship God. Just talking does not get money for the morning tea. All appropriate actions necessary have to be taken recourse to, to make this world run. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra wrote: > > Hi Deepak > > I will narrate one small story. > When i was a kid in class 2-4 in school. > I used to have breakfast on the second floor chat or terrace around 8-9 am. > From their I used to throw bits of bread or roti down on the road to dogs. > > Some of them were my favorite dogs and some I didn't like. > > The dogs whom I favored initially with more breads thrown closer to them, > were better looking and waged their tails more. > > There was one dog whom I never wished to give the breads, but he was clever, > and he would look at my hands and guess where the next bit would fall and > run to get it. > > There were some dogs on whose heads the breads fell, but they were damn lazy > and didnot even manage to eat that bread.!! > > After having been with the dogs for 2-3 weeks, I was impressed with that > clever and quick dog (though not my favored one initially) and more of my > breads were thrown to him, which he devoured without a seconds delay. > > I am sure, I can be the quick and clever dog standing under the gods house. > The persevering and quick eventually gets loads of grace. > > Astros could have said that the particular dog will get less breads, but > most astros wont be able to say, what will happen when you start to do > things which are beyond the obvious. > To say that with gusto, the astro himself would have to be that particular > quick dog and know deeply what it means to have lived like the one. > > The extra ounce of speed and attention in work and prayers eventually gets a > lot of grace. Much more than what was originally meant for you. > > The childhood example holds its relevance every moment of every day. > > Om Namah Shivay > Rajeev > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:22 AM, spider man <key2000 wrote: > > > rajiv, i am agree with you, i am doing it from my childhood, but now > > i will do from the best of my soul and heart. my salute to you. > > > > rgds > > deepak sharma > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>, > > RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your un- > > divided > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > > importance of > > > astrology. > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only > > and only > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not > > very hard > > > either. > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from door > > to door > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand > > themselves to be > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, > > its great, > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel the > > > difference. > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give you the > > right thought > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, but > > let me > > > say one thing, > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv your > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, spider man <key2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > respected bhaskar ji, > > > > Bhavarth Bhavam sidhanta is diffrent with - as you discribed. it > > > > applies more on saturn and partialy on other planets. > > > > > > > > the sidhant is - if saturn is lord of 3 - 6- 8- 12 house i.e for > > > > example in 3rd house makara rashi is there and in 4th house kumbha > > > > rashi is there and saturn is present in 5th house, then it will > > not > > > > make any harm to 3rd house, even increase the good result of 3rd > > > > house, as it is discribed in detail in Jatak Sarawali - adhyaya 8 > > > > shloka 93 to 109. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > I have never spoken about Bhava Charts > > > > > or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in > > > > > this forum,so as not to confuse the members, > > > > > here who are totally into traditional astrology > > > > > and Natal Chart analysis. > > > > > > > > > > But for those members who do follow Bhava > > > > > charts, I would like to make it clear, > > > > > that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change > > > > > Bhava, but the sign does not change, > > > > > for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart, > > > > > Saturn in the Natal Chart, is > > > > > in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves > > > > > to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart, > > > > > BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA. > > > > > The signs where the original planets > > > > > are placed at time of Birth, do not change, > > > > > only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava > > > > > means house results. Therefore > > > > > Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give > > > > > the 7th houses results, but as regards to > > > > > quality of the results, the quality of Saturn > > > > > placed in Pisces would remain. > > > > > > > > > > Make this very clear, before any of you > > > > > attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart. > > > > > > > > > > Ant attempts without study done, would > > > > > mean wrong application of Astrological > > > > > principles. > > > > > > > > > > This is my last word on Bhava Charts, > > > > > unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Hello Bhaskar Ji You are right sir. Action cannot be avoided as long as their is Gravity. May be too many times the word " dog " was used and it made a mess of the idea. God gives every one some examples in life to look back to when in stress, my example are like this only.!! The only intent was to say that when we work and the wheels dont turn, if we pray to Shiv, the right thought, idea, grace, love, help, resource and energy comes to turn the jammed wheels. And if after the prayer more effort is put in and next day some more prayer is done and next day some more effort put in.. any wheel can be made to turn at any speed. Disclaimer applies: Easier said than done. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear , > > No astro can become that Dog, because if > he is a real astro, he would have already > become that quick Dog. > > About the normal dogs, whom one would wish > to make a quick Dog, please teach the > common Dog, first to stick to one lane > for looking for crumbs. If the common > Dog is going to visit every > house in the lane for crumbs and > wag his tail tirelessly, and then again > visit another lane, not satisfied with the > crumbs received uptil now, > then you cannot make the Dog, a swift quick > one and a favourite, ever in your life. > Its like trying to push the tail of the Dog in > a pipe and straighten it. > > This analogy of linking Dogs to astros or astros > to Dogs, and natives , can backfire, > so we better avoid this. > > Anothe rpoint, if just talking about God > and sitting and meditating could'help > without any other Karma ( Action) then'there > would have been no Hospitals, Doctors, Courts, > or Lawmakers, because one can sit, meditate and > put an end to all his worries, Isnt it ? No its > not easy. > > Empty stomache is not easy to worship God. > Just talking does not get money for the morning tea. > All appropriate actions necessary have to be taken > recourse to, to make this world run. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > RajeevM <rajeevmundra > wrote: > > > > Hi Deepak > > > > I will narrate one small story. > > When i was a kid in class 2-4 in school. > > I used to have breakfast on the second floor chat or terrace around > 8-9 am. > > From their I used to throw bits of bread or roti down on the road > to dogs. > > > > Some of them were my favorite dogs and some I didn't like. > > > > The dogs whom I favored initially with more breads thrown closer to > them, > > were better looking and waged their tails more. > > > > There was one dog whom I never wished to give the breads, but he > was clever, > > and he would look at my hands and guess where the next bit would > fall and > > run to get it. > > > > There were some dogs on whose heads the breads fell, but they were > damn lazy > > and didnot even manage to eat that bread.!! > > > > After having been with the dogs for 2-3 weeks, I was impressed with > that > > clever and quick dog (though not my favored one initially) and more > of my > > breads were thrown to him, which he devoured without a seconds > delay. > > > > I am sure, I can be the quick and clever dog standing under the > gods house. > > The persevering and quick eventually gets loads of grace. > > > > Astros could have said that the particular dog will get less > breads, but > > most astros wont be able to say, what will happen when you start to > do > > things which are beyond the obvious. > > To say that with gusto, the astro himself would have to be that > particular > > quick dog and know deeply what it means to have lived like the one. > > > > The extra ounce of speed and attention in work and prayers > eventually gets a > > lot of grace. Much more than what was originally meant for you. > > > > The childhood example holds its relevance every moment of every day. > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:22 AM, spider man <key2000 wrote: > > > > > rajiv, i am agree with you, i am doing it from my childhood, > but now > > > i will do from the best of my soul and heart. my salute to you. > > > > > > rgds > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40>, > > > > RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your > un- > > > divided > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > > > importance of > > > > astrology. > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is > only > > > and only > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not > > > very hard > > > > either. > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from > door > > > to door > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand > > > themselves to be > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, > > > its great, > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel > the > > > > difference. > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give you the > > > right thought > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, > but > > > let me > > > > say one thing, > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv > your > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, spider man <key2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > respected bhaskar ji, > > > > > Bhavarth Bhavam sidhanta is diffrent with - as you discribed. > it > > > > > applies more on saturn and partialy on other planets. > > > > > > > > > > the sidhant is - if saturn is lord of 3 - 6- 8- 12 house i.e > for > > > > > example in 3rd house makara rashi is there and in 4th house > kumbha > > > > > rashi is there and saturn is present in 5th house, then it > will > > > not > > > > > make any harm to 3rd house, even increase the good result of > 3rd > > > > > house, as it is discribed in detail in Jatak Sarawali - > adhyaya 8 > > > > > shloka 93 to 109. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > > > --- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40><jyotish-vidya% > > > > 40>, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never spoken about Bhava Charts > > > > > > or Bhava Chalit, or Cuspal Charts here in > > > > > > this forum,so as not to confuse the members, > > > > > > here who are totally into traditional astrology > > > > > > and Natal Chart analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > But for those members who do follow Bhava > > > > > > charts, I would like to make it clear, > > > > > > that in Bhava Charts, the planet may change > > > > > > Bhava, but the sign does not change, > > > > > > for instance Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart, > > > > > > Saturn in the Natal Chart, is > > > > > > in the 8th house ( Pisces Sign), and moves > > > > > > to the 7th House in the Bhava Chart, > > > > > > BUT DOES NOT MOVE TO AQUARIUS OR KUMBHA. > > > > > > The signs where the original planets > > > > > > are placed at time of Birth, do not change, > > > > > > only the Bhava does, if it does. Bhava > > > > > > means house results. Therefore > > > > > > Saturn in Mr. deepak Sharmas Chart may give > > > > > > the 7th houses results, but as regards to > > > > > > quality of the results, the quality of Saturn > > > > > > placed in Pisces would remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > Make this very clear, before any of you > > > > > > attepmts to decode a Bhava Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ant attempts without study done, would > > > > > > mean wrong application of Astrological > > > > > > principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last word on Bhava Charts, > > > > > > unless asked to continue by Mrs.Wendy. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Madam Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my life and some more, I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line. Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no dis-regard implied) People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and Krishna. A few lines to the non-astrologer: Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every human weakness. (again no dis-regard) So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont forget to ask yourself. If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be edited, then it would be better not having known it. Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone by his actions. One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why?!! Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe in the later. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Rajeev, > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > importance of > astrology. > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and > only > a directional map on your tendencies. > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very > hard > either.// > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not even the saints > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very holy men who > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing years. At the same > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's enjoying excellent > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of course)...there are > even some who are still actively involved in seniors sports competitions > etc. > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships whilst other more > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of life. Destiny IS, > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is what separates the > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular meditation develops > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by outward > circumstances. > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on Lord Siva etc.) is > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of cajoling will > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > Dear Deepak ji > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your un-divided > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the importance > of > astrology. > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and > only > a directional map on your tendencies. > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very > hard > either. > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from door to door > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand themselves to > be > able to better design their future. > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, its > great, > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel the > difference. > He will open the right door at the right time and give you the right > thought > as you enter that right door. > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, but let > me > say one thing, > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv your > co-architect. > > Om Namah Shivay > Rajeev > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Rajeev, ///Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my life and some more, I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line./// No doubt this tendency would be evident in your horoscope. ///Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no dis-regard implied)/// I consider my Guru to be a true saint and feel privileged to be able to study his chart. It is, for me, a true blessing! And of course, his chart is viewed in accord with his elevated spiritual persona. ///One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why?!!/// Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced astrologers do keep this in mind. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 23, 2008 3:23 PM Re: Re: Bhava Chart Dear Madam Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my life and some more, I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line. Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no dis-regard implied) People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and Krishna. A few lines to the non-astrologer: Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every human weakness. (again no dis-regard) So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont forget to ask yourself. If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be edited, then it would be better not having known it. Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone by his actions. One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why?!! Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe in the later. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 in my opinion destiny can be changed by: 1. Boon (by god or saints or else like tapa etc.) 2. Curse 3. King rgds niket - RajeevM jyotish-vidya Monday, June 23, 2008 12:53 PM Re: Re: Bhava Chart Dear Madam Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my life and some more, I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line. Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no dis-regard implied) People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and Krishna. A few lines to the non-astrologer: Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every human weakness. (again no dis-regard) So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont forget to ask yourself. If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be edited, then it would be better not having known it. Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone by his actions. One example: One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 month " ... Why?!! Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe in the later. Om Namah Shivay Rajeev On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Rajeev, > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > importance of > astrology. > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and > only > a directional map on your tendencies. > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very > hard > either.// > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not even the saints > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very holy men who > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing years. At the same > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's enjoying excellent > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of course)...there are > even some who are still actively involved in seniors sports competitions > etc. > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships whilst other more > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of life. Destiny IS, > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is what separates the > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular meditation develops > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by outward > circumstances. > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on Lord Siva etc.) is > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of cajoling will > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > Dear Deepak ji > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your un-divided > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the importance > of > astrology. > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and > only > a directional map on your tendencies. > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very > hard > either. > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from door to door > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand themselves to > be > able to better design their future. > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, its > great, > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel the > difference. > He will open the right door at the right time and give you the right > thought > as you enter that right door. > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, but let > me > say one thing, > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv your > co-architect. > > Om Namah Shivay > Rajeev > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Rajeev, You are a good soul, and I do agree to what You have written, because I value the words of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. The effects can be mitigated, but not by ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to go into deriving this. A person who has total disregards for anyones efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning for more and more, from all available sources, would not be the proper subject as on today (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite to one. For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled the depths of spiritualism , destiny just cannot be changed, is what was taught to me when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. It can be altered, the effects if malefic can be lessened but not totally removed from a mans Life. Now what was not taught is - A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa can have the power to change a mans fate , but how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? We are normally dealing with most ordinary men everyday who want to know more and more about themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. A man asks about his love life. A man asks about his troubled marriage. A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, and he wishes to know when he will stand on his own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big money, but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that these people need help ? No they can help themselves better than we can help them. I need help on the contrary from such people, as i could have spent time really on a poor needy soul instead. Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after the days work, than rather be involved in the strict rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites for one to change his destiny. Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of the people we are dealing with, in day to day. Destiny may be possible to change for the 0.001% but then indications would be there in the chart about this. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra wrote: > > Dear Madam > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my life > and some more, > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line. > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no > dis-regard implied) > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating > once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and > Krishna. > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont > forget to ask yourself. > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone by > his actions. > > One example: > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 > month " ... Why?!! > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to believe > in the later. > > Om Namah Shivay > Rajeev > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya > wrote: > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > > importance of > > astrology. > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and > > only > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very > > hard > > either.// > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not even the saints > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very holy men who > > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing years. At the same > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's enjoying excellent > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of course)...there are > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors sports competitions > > etc. > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships whilst other more > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of life. Destiny IS, > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is what separates the > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular meditation develops > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by outward > > circumstances. > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on Lord Siva etc.) is > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of cajoling will > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ___ > > > > > > - > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>> > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your un- divided > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the importance > > of > > astrology. > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is only and > > only > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not very > > hard > > either. > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from door to door > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand themselves to > > be > > able to better design their future. > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, its > > great, > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel the > > difference. > > He will open the right door at the right time and give you the right > > thought > > as you enter that right door. > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, but let > > me > > say one thing, > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv your > > co-architect. > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Wendy, There is a mid ground situation here. 1, firstly that fate can be changed is true a. questions how many can strive for it b. and is it worth it 1, Saints and their approach to miseries. Now let me bring the changeable part if we understand Karma concepts it is classified as Dhrida karma -that can't be changed say cancer, AIDS or Hepits B kind, just make the best of what is left and start preparing for a better karma balance in future lives from here [this life] Adhrida karma or alterable alterable is not a total make over but some relief kind say a stomach or head ache, broken finances some misunderstandings.... these can be solved with some small measures, medication, borrowing, over drafts and in good times pay them up in parts or in full depending on how good the change will be. on 1b, here the analogy is simple but for a serious case interfering with what is due to be undergone in this life must be allowed to pass thru the pain and turmoil, than borrow from future Karma by overdrafts in prayers, Japa, meditation for a out of turn relief rather the period must be seen thru in all its pain and still meditate only to see u get the strength to see it thru than pray for a relief help a lottery or a gift or a inherit a legacy etc some of the tantric or Kshudra upasaks can do this out of turn in a shrot spell of time or in Normal course thru Mantra, havans etc those who take even this normal route must make every step to replenish their good karma balances by being and doing good things, it is like using water from a aquafier when the river is dried, rivers can get rain water from surface, aquifers don't and will dry up, use it in extreme cases and if it for public good than personal benefit. 2. SAINTS AND MISERIES this is the difference between us and them they do some relief for their followers , blessings but never to themselves [it is said astrologers also do accumulate the negative karma by washing off their clients sins if done with expectations.] Most yogis don't treat themselves in the recent times we can see Sree Satya Sai baba as one such example, there r many world wide examples how he has cured or given relief to many written off cases but has not done anything for his own case a few hip replacement surgeries were done on him and max he can is walk from the wheel chair to a seat. from child hood there r examples when he has replaced shirt buttons of his classmates when they were lost by a wave of his hand , but he himself used to use a thorn to secure his shirt. swami ramakrishna paramahamsa, ramana maharishi etc have all suffered from cancer and never bothered about them as they have taken in the sufferings and diseases of their followers. in a nut shell fate can be changed in some parts never outright fate and free will are there,and by being careless we can make our free will also nought. in Mahabharatha there is a reference to this by sage Veda vyasa when Bhismha performs the marriage of his half brothers and same time the sage tell this elders in the family it is time they moved from the palace to the retirement in vanaprastha ashrama] Bhishma too wanted to go as he had no role as his brothers and their future family will keep the kindgomd running Sage veda vyasa says there is time for him [bhishma ] still Bhisshma wanted to know if he can cut short it [though he was a great scholar himself] here the sage says no way his Karma is such that he has to undergo more sufferings and also wait for his time to retire as Bhishma had a boon to choose his death time. good karma can be earned in some charity of time, energy we can get better relief than signing a cheque for a donation spend time with old aged, orphams, sick or even wild animlas give some relief to the lords creation u will surely get some thing back sooner or later. Best wishes Prashant kumar On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Rajeev, > > ///Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in > my life > and some more, > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the > line./// > > No doubt this tendency would be evident in your horoscope. > > ///Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. > (no > dis-regard implied)/// > > I consider my Guru to be a true saint and feel privileged to be able to > study his chart. It is, for me, a true blessing! And of course, his chart > is viewed in accord with his elevated spiritual persona. > > ///One example: > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 > month " ... Why?!!/// > > Desh, Kala and Patra (country, times and individual). Most experienced > astrologers do keep this in mind. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > ___ > > - > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Monday, June 23, 2008 3:23 PM > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > Dear Madam > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold in my > life > and some more, > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little there to > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the line. > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. (no > dis-regard implied) > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even stating > once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram and > Krishna. > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from every > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then dont > forget to ask yourself. > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which cannot be > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for upliftment, and > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole story > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by someone > by > his actions. > > One example: > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 month " , > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord for 1 > month " ... Why?!! > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a tenacious > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and editable > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to > believe > in the later. > > Om Namah Shivay > Rajeev > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Wendy, One more aspect on saints that I forgot to add the try to burn up all their negative karmas in this very life they look for nothing for future lives so they are seen with so many sufferings, a average human being has worldly desires fullfilled or unfulfilled and this is carried into next live/s [bhagavad gita will gives us clues here] Best wishes prashant kumar On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Rajeev, > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > You have written, because I value the words > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > go into deriving this. > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > for more and more, from all available sources, > would not be the proper subject as on today > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > to one. > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > be lessened but not totally removed from a > mans Life. > > Now what was not taught is - > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > everyday who want to know more and more about > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > A man asks about his love life. > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big money, > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > better than we can help them. > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > as i could have spent time really on a poor > needy soul instead. > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > for one to change his destiny. > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > Destiny may be possible to change for the > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > the chart about this. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > RajeevM <rajeevmundra > wrote: > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold > in my life > > and some more, > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little > there to > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the > line. > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to decipher. > (no > > dis-regard implied) > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even > stating > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding great > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding Ram > and > > Krishna. > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers from > every > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but then > dont > > forget to ask yourself. > > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which > cannot be > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for > upliftment, and > > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The ole > story > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by > someone by > > his actions. > > > > One example: > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 > month " , > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal discord > for 1 > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a > tenacious > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and > editable > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples to > believe > > in the later. > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > > > importance of > > > astrology. > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is > only and > > > only > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not > very > > > hard > > > either.// > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not even the > saints > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very holy men > who > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing years. At > the same > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's enjoying > excellent > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of course)...there > are > > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors sports > competitions > > > etc. > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships whilst > other more > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of life. > Destiny IS, > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is what > separates the > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular meditation > develops > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by outward > > > circumstances. > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on Lord Siva > etc.) is > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of cajoling will > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > - > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40>> > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your un- > divided > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > importance > > > of > > > astrology. > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is > only and > > > only > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its not > very > > > hard > > > either. > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from door > to door > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand > themselves to > > > be > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned humans, > its > > > great, > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel the > > > difference. > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give you the > right > > > thought > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, > but let > > > me > > > say one thing, > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv > your > > > co-architect. > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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