Message not approved: Analysis of an accident

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DS Mathur Wrote:

 

//So you have visited the site. Good. Thanks.//

 

Indeed I did and I read through the article (pasted below for members who

may wish to study the chart). My comments have been added to a couple of

your points, unfortunately time doesn't permit more than this at the

moment...another time perhaps.

 

//This person met with a severe road accident on May 6, 2008 but by the

Grace of God he survived. (October 16, 1971, 0300 hours, Delhi)

The VI house from the ascendant is the house of injury and accident. The I

house is the house of the physical body. When there is a contact between

these two houses a possibility arises that the individual would get involved

in an incident that may cause injury to the body.//

 

To the best of my knowledge 8th (not 6th) is the house of injury/accidents.

 

//In the present case, Rahu occupies the VI house. It is in Sravan

constellation of the Moon. The Moon occupies the ascendant. This sets up a

contact between these two houses. Further, Saturn owns the VI house and it

occupies Rohini, ascendant of the Moon. This too thus makes a contact with

the ascendant. Thus there is a contact between the two houses in the birth

chart.//

 

Please note that Mars, conjunct Rahu, disposits 4th/8th lord Jupiter. 4th,

as we know, governs conveyances...today, this commonly refers to vehicles;

and 8th, of course, is the house of accidents/injuries...

Also important to note the transit of bhukti lord Saturn, Rahu's dispositor,

through lagna. Saturn is aspected by 4th/8th lord Jupiter who has recently

turned retrograde, etc, etc..

 

//The above contact can also mean poor health for the individual unless Mars

is involved in this scheme. Mars as we know is a planet that causes

accidents and injury. The Sun governs the body. Hence when there is a

contact between the Sun and Mars, there arises a possibility of damage to

the body. In the present case, the Sun is in Chitra constellation of Mars,

and the latter is in Leo navamsha.

We also know that the VI house from Mars stands for accident and injury, and

the first house from the Sun represents the body.//

 

No, No! 8th from Mars indicates accidents...

 

//A contact between the two houses therefore would bolster the conclusion

that the individual would meet with an accident and suffer injuries due it

at some time in his life. The VI house from Mars is in Gemini. The first

house from the Sun is in Virgo. Mercury owns both the houses and therefore

the two houses are obviously related.

That the individual would suffer injuries in life is clear from the above

analysis. For a vehicular accident, Venus should also play its role. The IV

house from the ascendant and the IV house from Venus, both represent

vehicles, the latter more specifically than the former. The owner of the IV

house from the ascendant has gone to the VI house of accident. The IV house

from Venus being Capricorn has Rahu, which goes to the VI house from Mars.

Thus the contact between these houses is clearly established. Venus is

vehicle and Mars accident. There has to be a contact between these two

planets too in the chart. You will notice that Venus occupies the same sign

in navamsha where Mars is placed in the birth chart. Thus a vehicular

accident is also clearly shown up in the individual's chart. The question

remains about the timing of the event.

The individual is running the major-period of Rahu which occupies the VI

house from the ascendant and being in Sravan constellation of the Moon, it

is also related to the ascendant since the Moon occupies the house. Rahu

therefore sets up a contact between the ascendant and the VI house. The VI

house from Mars is Gemini, where Rahu is placed in the navamsha chart. The

Sun is related to Mars as we have seen earlier. Thus the Sun and Rahu are

related through Mars. Thus the first house from the Sun and the VI house

from Mars are both related to Rahu. Rahu being with the karaka for accidents

and injury, and related to the two sets of the first and VI houses, would

clearly cause an accident for the individual. Would a vehicle be involved in

this incident. Venus is in the same sign in the navamsha chart as Rahu in

the birth chart. Rahu is in the IV house from Venus and is associated with

the owner of the IV house from the ascendant. Therefore when an accident

happens in the major-period of Rahu that is likely to cause injury to the

individual, it would also involve a vehicle.

The individual should be involved in a vehicular accident in the

major-period of Rahu. We can analyse the sub and inter-periods in the same

manner and could easily reach the exact date of the accident or close to it.

We will not analyse the sub and inter-periods for fear of occupying unduly

large space.

Would the individual survive an accident that happens in the major-period of

Rahu. Jupiter occupies the IV house from the ascendant in Scorpio. It is

related to Rahu as Mars, its dispositor is with it. The IX house from the

ascendant and the IX house from Jupiter represent good fortune, the latter

more than the former. The IX house from the ascendant is in Aries. Mars owns

it and relates Rahu to the house. The IX house from Jupiter is in Cancer.

Rahu/Ketu being on the Capricorn/Cancer axis are related to these houses.

Further, Rahu is in a constellation of the Moon, which owns Cancer.

Therefore we find that Rahu would ultimately protect the individual and save

him from death due to his good fortune that would be operating in this

major-period.//

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" DS Mathur " <mathurastro

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:35 PM

Re: Message not approved: Analysis of an accident

 

 

So you have visited the site. Good. Thanks. My request

is not to jump to conclusions and please do not judge

people in a hurry.

[Guest guest]

My apologies! As they say; " Act in haste, repent at leisure "

 

///Please note that Mars, conjunct Rahu, disposits 4th/8th lord Jupiter.

4th,

as we know, governs conveyances...today, this commonly refers to vehicles;

and 8th, of course, is the house of accidents/injuries...

Also important to note the transit of bhukti lord Saturn, Rahu's dispositor,

through lagna. Saturn is aspected by 4th/8th lord Jupiter who has recently

turned retrograde, etc, etc..///

 

Mars, of course, disposits 8th lord Jupiter who occupies 4th...

 

Lesson to be learnt:

One's mind really does need to remain focused and not drifting off on other

things...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Cc: " DS Mathur " <mathurastro

Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:40 PM

Re: Message not approved: Analysis of an accident

 

 

DS Mathur Wrote:

 

//So you have visited the site. Good. Thanks.//

 

Indeed I did and I read through the article (pasted below for members who

may wish to study the chart). My comments have been added to a couple of

your points, unfortunately time doesn't permit more than this at the

moment...another time perhaps.

 

//This person met with a severe road accident on May 6, 2008 but by the

Grace of God he survived. (October 16, 1971, 0300 hours, Delhi)

The VI house from the ascendant is the house of injury and accident. The I

house is the house of the physical body. When there is a contact between

these two houses a possibility arises that the individual would get involved

in an incident that may cause injury to the body.//

 

To the best of my knowledge 8th (not 6th) is the house of injury/accidents.

 

//In the present case, Rahu occupies the VI house. It is in Sravan

constellation of the Moon. The Moon occupies the ascendant. This sets up a

contact between these two houses. Further, Saturn owns the VI house and it

occupies Rohini, ascendant of the Moon. This too thus makes a contact with

the ascendant. Thus there is a contact between the two houses in the birth

chart.//

 

Please note that Mars, conjunct Rahu, disposits 4th/8th lord Jupiter. 4th,

as we know, governs conveyances...today, this commonly refers to vehicles;

and 8th, of course, is the house of accidents/injuries...

Also important to note the transit of bhukti lord Saturn, Rahu's dispositor,

through lagna. Saturn is aspected by 4th/8th lord Jupiter who has recently

turned retrograde, etc, etc..

 

//The above contact can also mean poor health for the individual unless Mars

is involved in this scheme. Mars as we know is a planet that causes

accidents and injury. The Sun governs the body. Hence when there is a

contact between the Sun and Mars, there arises a possibility of damage to

the body. In the present case, the Sun is in Chitra constellation of Mars,

and the latter is in Leo navamsha.

We also know that the VI house from Mars stands for accident and injury, and

the first house from the Sun represents the body.//

 

No, No! 8th from Mars indicates accidents...

 

//A contact between the two houses therefore would bolster the conclusion

that the individual would meet with an accident and suffer injuries due it

at some time in his life. The VI house from Mars is in Gemini. The first

house from the Sun is in Virgo. Mercury owns both the houses and therefore

the two houses are obviously related.

That the individual would suffer injuries in life is clear from the above

analysis. For a vehicular accident, Venus should also play its role. The IV

house from the ascendant and the IV house from Venus, both represent

vehicles, the latter more specifically than the former. The owner of the IV

house from the ascendant has gone to the VI house of accident. The IV house

from Venus being Capricorn has Rahu, which goes to the VI house from Mars.

Thus the contact between these houses is clearly established. Venus is

vehicle and Mars accident. There has to be a contact between these two

planets too in the chart. You will notice that Venus occupies the same sign

in navamsha where Mars is placed in the birth chart. Thus a vehicular

accident is also clearly shown up in the individual's chart. The question

remains about the timing of the event.

The individual is running the major-period of Rahu which occupies the VI

house from the ascendant and being in Sravan constellation of the Moon, it

is also related to the ascendant since the Moon occupies the house. Rahu

therefore sets up a contact between the ascendant and the VI house. The VI

house from Mars is Gemini, where Rahu is placed in the navamsha chart. The

Sun is related to Mars as we have seen earlier. Thus the Sun and Rahu are

related through Mars. Thus the first house from the Sun and the VI house

from Mars are both related to Rahu. Rahu being with the karaka for accidents

and injury, and related to the two sets of the first and VI houses, would

clearly cause an accident for the individual. Would a vehicle be involved in

this incident. Venus is in the same sign in the navamsha chart as Rahu in

the birth chart. Rahu is in the IV house from Venus and is associated with

the owner of the IV house from the ascendant. Therefore when an accident

happens in the major-period of Rahu that is likely to cause injury to the

individual, it would also involve a vehicle.

The individual should be involved in a vehicular accident in the

major-period of Rahu. We can analyse the sub and inter-periods in the same

manner and could easily reach the exact date of the accident or close to it.

We will not analyse the sub and inter-periods for fear of occupying unduly

large space.

Would the individual survive an accident that happens in the major-period of

Rahu. Jupiter occupies the IV house from the ascendant in Scorpio. It is

related to Rahu as Mars, its dispositor is with it. The IX house from the

ascendant and the IX house from Jupiter represent good fortune, the latter

more than the former. The IX house from the ascendant is in Aries. Mars owns

it and relates Rahu to the house. The IX house from Jupiter is in Cancer.

Rahu/Ketu being on the Capricorn/Cancer axis are related to these houses.

Further, Rahu is in a constellation of the Moon, which owns Cancer.

Therefore we find that Rahu would ultimately protect the individual and save

him from death due to his good fortune that would be operating in this

major-period.//

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" DS Mathur " <mathurastro

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:35 PM

Re: Message not approved: Analysis of an accident

 

 

So you have visited the site. Good. Thanks. My request

is not to jump to conclusions and please do not judge

people in a hurry.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

May I take the data for the chart of the accident is (October 16,

1971, 0300 hours, Delhi)?. Is the chart pertains to a male or a

female.

 

Confirm at your convenience.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

 

==================

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> DS Mathur Wrote:

>

> //So you have visited the site. Good. Thanks.//

>

> Indeed I did and I read through the article (pasted below for

members who

> may wish to study the chart). My comments have been added to a

couple of

> your points, unfortunately time doesn't permit more than this at the

> moment...another time perhaps.

>

> //This person met with a severe road accident on May 6, 2008 but by

the

> Grace of God he survived. (October 16, 1971, 0300 hours, Delhi)

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

//May I take the data for the chart of the accident is (October 16,

1971, 0300 hours, Delhi)?//

 

Yes, that's correct...according to the information given by DS Mathur.

 

//Is the chart pertains to a male or a female.//

 

The chart belongs to a male presumably as DS Mathur wrote;

" This person met with a severe road accident on May 6, 2008 but by the

Grace of God HE survived. "

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

 

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, May 12, 2008 1:32 PM

Re: Message not approved: Analysis of an accident

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

May I take the data for the chart of the accident is (October 16,

1971, 0300 hours, Delhi)?. Is the chart pertains to a male or a

female.

 

Confirm at your convenience.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

 

==================

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

I read both views of Mathur and Wendy. Can anybody tell how to

determine from this chart that the native is prone to injury and he

is to meet an accident at a point of time. My point is that where is

the suceptibility and how to find it out?

 

Regards, Viji

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> My apologies! As they say; " Act in haste, repent at leisure "

>

> ///Please note that Mars, conjunct Rahu, disposits 4th/8th lord

Jupiter.

> 4th,

> as we know, governs conveyances...today, this commonly refers to

vehicles;

> and 8th, of course, is the house of accidents/injuries...

> Also important to note the transit of bhukti lord Saturn, Rahu's

dispositor,

> through lagna. Saturn is aspected by 4th/8th lord Jupiter who has

recently

> turned retrograde, etc, etc..///

>

> Mars, of course, disposits 8th lord Jupiter who occupies 4th...

>

> Lesson to be learnt:

> One's mind really does need to remain focused and not drifting off

on other

> things...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Thanks for having posted the chart in the list though the discussions

were primarily between you and Mr. Mathur. The chart in question is

a good example for an accident to happen and possessing the inherent

quality of divine help or assistance.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> //May I take the data for the chart of the accident is (October 16,

> 1971, 0300 hours, Delhi)?//

>

> Yes, that's correct...according to the information given by DS

Mathur.

>

> //Is the chart pertains to a male or a female.//

>

> The chart belongs to a male presumably as DS Mathur wrote;

> " This person met with a severe road accident on May 6, 2008 but by

the

> Grace of God HE survived. "

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Viji,

 

The possibility of accident, during relevant dasa/transits, can be seen

with.

1) 8th lord Jupiter's dispositor (Mars) aspecting Moon in lagna.

2) Moon dispositing Ketu who signifies accidental incidents etc..

 

Looking at the dasa/transits, the role of Saturn is also clear.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" viji.selvi " <viji.selvi

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:42 PM

Re: Message not approved: Analysis of an accident

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I read both views of Mathur and Wendy. Can anybody tell how to

determine from this chart that the native is prone to injury and he

is to meet an accident at a point of time. My point is that where is

the suceptibility and how to find it out?

 

Regards, Viji

[Guest guest]

Dear Viji,

 

Kindly remember the basics. The general principle of sage Parashara

is " any house or house lord has connection with 6,8th and 12th house

lords or the said houses, the significations of the house under

consideration suffers.

 

The question is accident, injury and wounds. What is accident?

Accident involves " suddenness and the obstruction of your

movement " . This involves 8th house and 3rd house. 4th house

represents vehicles in modern parlance. Third house represents

movement and the short journeys. I personally also look at the 6th

house for injuries.

 

9th lord represents the divine assistance or help.

 

In the instant chart 4th Lord Mars from the lagna gone to 6th house.

6th Lord Saturn aspects 4th house. 8th lord Jupiter is placed in 4th

house of vehicles. Thus the 4th lord and 4th house significations

get blemished. Notice the degrees of Saturn and Jupiter and their

mutual influence. Another important point to remember is that since

Moon is placed in Lagna, the arguments hold good yet again.

 

Mars is with Rahu, a malefic. The accident took place in RA/SA/SA.

Saturn is the house lord where Rahu is placed. Rahu is justified in

giving the results in its dahsa. Jupiter empowering Saturn to

pronounce the result in appropriate sub period ( he is in the

constellation of Anuradha).

 

Mars is the exalted 9th lord. Notice the degrees that how close he

is from his exaltation. (other wise, the native is so courageous and

determined.) He influences not only the lagna but also the Moon. He

has to give the accident and injury and save the life of the native

too. Every planet discussed above involves the kendras from lagna as

well as from Moon. Find out the role of Venus that is the movement in

the chart yourself.

 

See the chart from Venus the significator for vehicles. 4th Lord

Saturn goes to 8th house of suddenness and obstacles. Jupiter is the

3rd lord of Movement and 6th lord of injuries. Mercury is the 9th

lord who is in Lagna. He holds the 12th lord ship too. The

arguments gets reinforced once again and tells the same story. Now

analyse the things in Navamsa. I guided you some time ago how to

analyse Navamsa.

 

The dasha and transits are intact. This is my way of looking the

issues in a chart that you raised. Hope this helps you to understand

the chart to some extent.

 

Regards,

C.S. Ravindramani

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " viji.selvi " <viji.selvi

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I read both views of Mathur and Wendy. Can anybody tell how to

> determine from this chart that the native is prone to injury and he

> is to meet an accident at a point of time. My point is that where

is

> the suceptibility and how to find it out?

>

> Regards, Viji

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy ji,

 

Thank you for your guidance not only on this thread but also on the

other threads.

 

Ravindramani ji - Thank you for your detailed reply on the chart.

It is really helpful for me.

 

I understand a planet gives its results in its sub periods

generally. How do I understand or distinguish when would a planet

discharge the results of a favourable house and a unfavorable house

during its period.

 

Please guide me when you find time.

 

Thanking you once again the learned members of the list.

 

With regards, Viji

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani "

<ravindramani wrote:

>

> Dear Viji,

>

> Kindly remember the basics. The general principle of sage

Parashara

> is " any house or house lord has connection with 6,8th and 12th

house

> lords or the said houses, the significations of the house under

> consideration suffers.

>

> The question is accident, injury and wounds. What is accident?

> Accident involves " suddenness and the obstruction of your

> movement " . This involves 8th house and 3rd house. 4th house

> represents vehicles in modern parlance. Third house represents

> movement and the short journeys. I personally also look at the 6th

> house for injuries.

>

> 9th lord represents the divine assistance or help.

>

> In the instant chart 4th Lord Mars from the lagna gone to 6th

house.

> 6th Lord Saturn aspects 4th house. 8th lord Jupiter is placed in

4th

> house of vehicles. Thus the 4th lord and 4th house significations

> get blemished. Notice the degrees of Saturn and Jupiter and their

> mutual influence. Another important point to remember is that

since

> Moon is placed in Lagna, the arguments hold good yet again.

>

> Mars is with Rahu, a malefic. The accident took place in

RA/SA/SA.

> Saturn is the house lord where Rahu is placed. Rahu is justified

in

> giving the results in its dahsa. Jupiter empowering Saturn to

> pronounce the result in appropriate sub period ( he is in the

> constellation of Anuradha).

>

> Mars is the exalted 9th lord. Notice the degrees that how close he

> is from his exaltation. (other wise, the native is so courageous

and

> determined.) He influences not only the lagna but also the Moon.

He

> has to give the accident and injury and save the life of the native

> too. Every planet discussed above involves the kendras from lagna

as

> well as from Moon. Find out the role of Venus that is the movement

in

> the chart yourself.

>

> See the chart from Venus the significator for vehicles. 4th Lord

> Saturn goes to 8th house of suddenness and obstacles. Jupiter is

the

> 3rd lord of Movement and 6th lord of injuries. Mercury is the 9th

> lord who is in Lagna. He holds the 12th lord ship too. The

> arguments gets reinforced once again and tells the same story.

Now

> analyse the things in Navamsa. I guided you some time ago how to

> analyse Navamsa.

>

> The dasha and transits are intact. This is my way of looking the

> issues in a chart that you raised. Hope this helps you to

understand

> the chart to some extent.

>

> Regards,

> C.S. Ravindramani

>

>