Belligerent Article

March 15, 2008

Dear Wendyji,

I just read your post and the article you were refering to. I felt so

sad after reading it all. It's a pity that RR even after calling you

" Didi " denounced you in that article. I agree with you in that he

stepped into this group to voice his disagreement. Anyway, it was

totally a dis-respectable mode of conveying an opinion from a 56 year

old man. One could wake up those who are truly asleep; for those who

pretend to be asleep there is no hope at all. He intended to hurt you

and wrote the article as if acknowledge to his expertise on the topic.

To RR,

" All that we are is the result of what we have thought: It is founded

in your thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts. If a man speaks or

acts with a evil thought pain follows him, as the wheel that follows

the foot of the ox that draws the carriage " .

" All that we are is the result of what we have thought: It is founded

in your thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts.If a man speaks or

acts with a pure thought,happiness follows him like a shadow that

never leaves him " . ( Taken from dhammapada, the essential teachings

of Buddha).

Regards,

Manasa.

March 15, 2008

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

I feel really sad at the turn of events,

we have witnessed in last two days. I do not

understand the purport of Shri RRji lifting

a portion of the content from the Home page

of this forum, and then commenting

on it, subsequently posting it

for public view . There are so many factors

and matters on which we may not have

our consent on views of, and with, hundreds of

people, but we do not normally voice them,

as we do not wish to sour our relationships

on small matters, because no 2 persons on the

earth can have alike and identical views on

all matters, so we normally leave ...

I have always believed that RRji is a

harmless soul, perhaps not very much Jyotish

but more of a literary person and given to

exchanges of English poetic, ballad type

language, full of puns, irony and loads

of symbolic meanings, not understandable by

the common folks reading his posts.

But I feel sad, this is the first time

I have seen him hurt someone.

What I have known, which knowledge may

not be right,(who knows?) , is -

That Jamini was a shishya of Parashar Rishi

and he picked up the Jamini part from BPHS and

expanded it, making it another system ,

though being a part of BPHS.

Just like Ashtakvarga is a part of BPHS.

Just like Nakshatra is a part of BPHS

extracted by KP and after adding the

Placidus house system, having

come to known as KP System.

But who can say with surety that Placidus

was not Indian, in the first case much

before the advent of the Dravidians,

lifted by the Westerners and again

relifted back by the Indians after the

precesion of equinoxes part was understood ?

Who can say that the Arabic Horary was not the

Horary of the Yavanas(Rakshasa Clan) who were

present in India in the pre-Aryan period ?

There are so many matters which we cannot

vouch for sure,then I do not understand why

the hype and cry is made out by Parashar

versus Jamini ? And matters to be brought

to such a state ?

I do myself agree to the content on the

Home Page given by Your goodself.

Both these systems cannot be mixed,

or else they would lead to confusions

in any students/astrologers mind.

A small example-

Mars which is considered as Yogkaraka for

the Leo Ascendant as per BPHS, would now

become the Badhaksthanadhipati , if one

views from Jamini angle.

Now what should a Leo native consider

Mars as ? As a Yogkaraka( Fortunes creating?)

or a planet creating badhas

( Obstacles creating?).

Of course these deviations should not create

aversions in mind of a true and good

astrologer to any system, and I do not think

ever, that You Mrs. Wendy have ever kept any

type of antoganism in your thought process

towards any of various approaches to the

scientific study, which astrology is. Of

course you have mentioned this in Blue while

commenting, that You could never think of

Jamini as " Impure " .

Rightly and Nobly said.

I request you not to feel hurt

Mrs.Wendy. There is much in

this world to feel offended about,

we have better and important issues

to look after.

There would be thousands opposing us

for many matters in our journey of Life.

But the flowing water has to move on.

The fragrance has to spread.

The child gone overboard has to be

ignored, and the parents have to keep

on continuing in their respective duties

towards their other family members,

without being disturbed by the

erring child.

Kind regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan,

>

> You may review the response to your article here if so inclined

> http://jyotishvidya.com/rohiniranjan.htm

>

> Naturally enough, on learning from your article (sent to me by a

concerned

> member) the real reason you joined Jyotish-Vidya, I was furious

that I could

> be so easily hoodwinked by one so cunning.

>

> I doubt very much if you even bothered to read through

the 'welcome' message

> before joining. If you had you would have known there were some

basic tenets

> set out that all were expected to adhere to. But, of course, you

weren't

> bothered with that at all...you had a mission!

>

> I find it difficult to understand what would motivate a person to

> deliberately join a group (that has made its objectives quite

clear) with

> the sole aim of disrupting those objectives. I just don't know

Rohiniranjan

> why you would want to do that?

>

> What is clear is that your hostility grew with each failed attempt

to

> discredit me.

>

> When my intuition started ringing loudly to expect you on the

group I didn't

> bother to investigate why I was being alerted to something I

(consciously)

> was not aware of...perhaps I was just too busy with group mails to

pay

> enough attention?

> However, I recently was drawn to what I assume is your website

(Crystal

> Pages) and I remembered confrontations with someone linked to this

name many

> years back when Gjlist first began...that must have been about

10yrs ago if

> my memory serves me. It seems that, although I had forgotten,

there was some

> intuitive recognition.

>

> I have no doubt that both foes and friends cross paths through many

> lifetimes. It's a bit sad really that such animosity exists; but,

even so, I

> felt compelled to respond (publicly) to your belligerent article.

> You couldn't attack me (openly) anymore on JV due to the

displeasure of some

> members so you wrote an article loaded with caustic innuendoes and

posted it

> on another group.

>

> You had to know (surely) that someday your sustained attacks. not

only on

> me, but on all those who disagree with you, would come back to

bite you...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

March 15, 2008

Hello Manasa,

To expect loyalty from anyone in this world,

to expect love from anyone in this world,

to expect faithfulness from anyone in this world,

is a fallacy and foolishness.

What anyone else does, good or bad,

is their problem,

what we do,

IS our lookout.

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth

wrote:

>

> Dear Wendyji,

>

> I just read your post and the article you were refering to. I felt

so

> sad after reading it all. It's a pity that RR even after calling

you

> " Didi " denounced you in that article. I agree with you in that he

> stepped into this group to voice his disagreement. Anyway, it was

> totally a dis-respectable mode of conveying an opinion from a 56

year

> old man. One could wake up those who are truly asleep; for those

who

> pretend to be asleep there is no hope at all. He intended to hurt

you

> and wrote the article as if acknowledge to his expertise on the

topic.

>

> To RR,

>

> " All that we are is the result of what we have thought: It is

founded

> in your thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts. If a man speaks or

> acts with a evil thought pain follows him, as the wheel that

follows

> the foot of the ox that draws the carriage " .

>

> " All that we are is the result of what we have thought: It is

founded

> in your thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts.If a man speaks or

> acts with a pure thought,happiness follows him like a shadow that

> never leaves him " . ( Taken from dhammapada, the essential

teachings

> of Buddha).

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

March 15, 2008

Sorry, I pressed the Enter button by mistake.

Continuing ...........

What we do Is our Lookout.

What they do is theirs.

We must be true to our conscience.

That is enough.

We must be able to hold our

heads high, when we face God,

when the day of reckoning comes,

is what our aim must be.

Forget about this person.,

who has behaved immaturely,

and let us concentrate

on ourselves.

Didi is a common word.

Bahen is a common word.

Bahenji is a common word.

Bhabhi is a common word.

All these words change their meanings

from the speaker, after the dusk, and turn

into other words with other meanings.

So lets be practical,

and let be.....

You are a good soul.

Just let that be....

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Hello Manasa,

>

> To expect loyalty from anyone in this world,

> to expect love from anyone in this world,

> to expect faithfulness from anyone in this world,

> is a fallacy and foolishness.

>

> What anyone else does, good or bad,

> is their problem,

> what we do,

> IS our lookout.

>

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Wendyji,

> >

> > I just read your post and the article you were refering to. I

felt

> so

> > sad after reading it all. It's a pity that RR even after calling

> you

> > " Didi " denounced you in that article. I agree with you in that he

> > stepped into this group to voice his disagreement. Anyway, it

was

> > totally a dis-respectable mode of conveying an opinion from a 56

> year

> > old man. One could wake up those who are truly asleep; for those

> who

> > pretend to be asleep there is no hope at all. He intended to

hurt

> you

> > and wrote the article as if acknowledge to his expertise on the

> topic.

> >

> > To RR,

> >

> > " All that we are is the result of what we have thought: It is

> founded

> > in your thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts. If a man speaks

or

> > acts with a evil thought pain follows him, as the wheel that

> follows

> > the foot of the ox that draws the carriage " .

> >

> > " All that we are is the result of what we have thought: It is

> founded

> > in your thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts.If a man speaks

or

> > acts with a pure thought,happiness follows him like a shadow that

> > never leaves him " . ( Taken from dhammapada, the essential

> teachings

> > of Buddha).

> >

> > Regards,

> > Manasa.

> >

>

March 15, 2008

Rohiniranjan wrote (supposedly from the Home page):

*Parashara and Jaimini are two distinct systems even if the divide between

them is not always clear. Some have attributed to Prof. P. S. Sastri, author

of Jaimini Sutram (English translation), as having stated that much of what

we now know of Jaimini System has been inserted into BPHS and mixing up the

two systems will lead to confusion in the minds of the ‘student’*

He cunningly altered what was on the Home page by adding 'Some have

attributed to Prof. P.S. Sastri'; implying, of course, that these were not

in fact the words of Prof. Sastri. Rohiniranjan is extremely clever at

twisting words to alter their meaning...loose with the truth or a cunning

liar...people can make up their own minds.

Prof Sastri's intent was unmistakable when he stated specifically that;

" The main principles outlined in these Aphorisms appear in the new available

text of BPHS. Chapters 7 to 11, 24 to 27 and a part of the 35th chapter

present the system of Jaimini. "

These are Prof. Sastri's own words and no amount of alteration from RR will

alter the fact. To remove all doubt of this I will upload the relevant page

to the Jyotish-Vidya 'Files'

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

March 15, 2008

Dear Bhaskar,

///But I feel sad, this is the first time

I have seen him hurt someone.///

I'm more angry than hurt. In fact I'm quite ropable with the man and I don't

even mind saying that (man or not) he can thank his lucky stars he's not

within reach of my hand at this moment.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

-

" Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:44 AM

Re: Belligerent Article

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

I feel really sad at the turn of events,

we have witnessed in last two days. I do not

understand the purport of Shri RRji lifting

a portion of the content from the Home page

of this forum, and then commenting

on it, subsequently posting it

for public view . There are so many factors

and matters on which we may not have

our consent on views of, and with, hundreds of

people, but we do not normally voice them,

as we do not wish to sour our relationships

on small matters, because no 2 persons on the

earth can have alike and identical views on

all matters, so we normally leave ...

I have always believed that RRji is a

harmless soul, perhaps not very much Jyotish

but more of a literary person and given to

exchanges of English poetic, ballad type

language, full of puns, irony and loads

of symbolic meanings, not understandable by

the common folks reading his posts.

But I feel sad, this is the first time

I have seen him hurt someone.

What I have known, which knowledge may

not be right,(who knows?) , is -

That Jamini was a shishya of Parashar Rishi

and he picked up the Jamini part from BPHS and

expanded it, making it another system ,

though being a part of BPHS.

Just like Ashtakvarga is a part of BPHS.

Just like Nakshatra is a part of BPHS

extracted by KP and after adding the

Placidus house system, having

come to known as KP System.

But who can say with surety that Placidus

was not Indian, in the first case much

before the advent of the Dravidians,

lifted by the Westerners and again

relifted back by the Indians after the

precesion of equinoxes part was understood ?

Who can say that the Arabic Horary was not the

Horary of the Yavanas(Rakshasa Clan) who were

present in India in the pre-Aryan period ?

There are so many matters which we cannot

vouch for sure,then I do not understand why

the hype and cry is made out by Parashar

versus Jamini ? And matters to be brought

to such a state ?

I do myself agree to the content on the

Home Page given by Your goodself.

Both these systems cannot be mixed,

or else they would lead to confusions

in any students/astrologers mind.

A small example-

Mars which is considered as Yogkaraka for

the Leo Ascendant as per BPHS, would now

become the Badhaksthanadhipati , if one

views from Jamini angle.

Now what should a Leo native consider

Mars as ? As a Yogkaraka( Fortunes creating?)

or a planet creating badhas

( Obstacles creating?).

Of course these deviations should not create

aversions in mind of a true and good

astrologer to any system, and I do not think

ever, that You Mrs. Wendy have ever kept any

type of antoganism in your thought process

towards any of various approaches to the

scientific study, which astrology is. Of

course you have mentioned this in Blue while

commenting, that You could never think of

Jamini as " Impure " .

Rightly and Nobly said.

I request you not to feel hurt

Mrs.Wendy. There is much in

this world to feel offended about,

we have better and important issues

to look after.

There would be thousands opposing us

for many matters in our journey of Life.

But the flowing water has to move on.

The fragrance has to spread.

The child gone overboard has to be

ignored, and the parents have to keep

on continuing in their respective duties

towards their other family members,

without being disturbed by the

erring child.

Kind regards,

Bhaskar.

March 15, 2008

Dear Manasa and Su,

Many thanks to both of you! I was becoming quite pessimistic that 'truth'

would get buried (once again) under his verbal onslaught. Your (below)

messages are encouragement that at least some have seen through his deceit.

Perhaps Rohiniranjan has unwittingly done Jyotish a service by publishing

his (belligerent) article...

Su, you're correct; 'anger' is such a negative emotion! I was beside myself

with anger last night and consequently got very little sleep.

BTW Rohiniranjan has been removed (and banned) from Jyotish-Vidya.

Manasa Wrote:

///I just read your post and the article you were refering to. I felt so

sad after reading it all. It's a pity that RR even after calling you

" Didi " denounced you in that article. I agree with you in that he

stepped into this group to voice his disagreement. Anyway, it was

totally a dis-respectable mode of conveying an opinion from a 56 year

old man. One could wake up those who are truly asleep; for those who

pretend to be asleep there is no hope at all. He intended to hurt you

and wrote the article as if acknowledge to his expertise on the topic.///

Su Wrote:

///Lol Wendy, you are too cute, you often remind me of my mother - a

very strong woman. Pls do not waste energy with anger on this 'man' -

hes not worth it. Discerning minds are able to observe that wit is

not wisdom nor clever words evidence of truth. Ive observed his posts

in other forums and 2 words that come to mind are 'irritating'

and 'self-important'. Let those who enjoy clever words seek his

company, those who seek wisdom know better.///

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

March 15, 2008

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

You wrote:

//Perhaps Rohiniranjan has unwittingly done Jyotish a service by

publishing his (belligerent) article//

Satyameva Jayate ( Truth alone triumphs). Also some people are best

examples for how one should not behave. Each event in life accounts to

an experience. In this case, it turned out to be a blessing in

disguise:-).

Regards,

Manasa.

March 15, 2008

Dear Wendy,

Though this man was addressing you as 'Didi', his intentions were different

which was seen from the tone of his earlier mails itself. I wondered why a man

who has spent so many year studying astrology and having written so may articles

on the web is behaving in this childish manner. Finally, his true intensions are

out in the open. And, he has shown his true colors.

When we are one among the millions on the internet, encounters with such

characters once in a while is innevitable. I understand your anger. I would have

also got angry with such a mischeif.

Such acts will not hamper the enthusiasm to learn in this list. Let us put all

this behind and move on with a smile.

Regards,

Krishna

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: