Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Rishim, the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini, s ame as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, javyam, duru muhurtham etc the whole day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava yoga such dasa must operate. say if sukra isin 7th and onedoesnt run sukra dasa it wont affedt marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, muts its spirit must be understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc/ Best wishes Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete destruction of one's profession ? thank you rishi G B Prashant Kumar Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for Lagna features check. Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Dear Friends, There are four types of Karkas-Significators: 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also Nakshatras. Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS ascertained with the help of Nabhas yogas. 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- and seven in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later scheme Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are used to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not fruitfull. But a planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of other reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. G.K.GOEL Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: Rishim, the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini, s ame as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, javyam, duru muhurtham etc the whole day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava yoga such dasa must operate. say if sukra isin 7th and onedoesnt run sukra dasa it wont affedt marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, muts its spirit must be understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc/ Best wishes Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete destruction of one's profession ? thank you rishi G B Prashant Kumar Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for Lagna features check. Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste G.K.Goel ji, May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun in lagna with have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt mother? These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I would like to learn from your experiences. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, gkgoel1937 writes: Dear Friends, There are four types of Karkas-Significators: 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also Nakshatras. Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS ascertained with the help of Nabhas yogas. 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- and seven in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later scheme Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are used to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not fruitfull. But a planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of other reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. G.K.GOEL Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: Rishim, the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini, s ame as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, javyam, duru muhurtham etc the whole day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava yoga such dasa must operate. say if sukra isin 7th and onedoesnt run sukra dasa it wont affedt marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, muts its spirit must be understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc/ Best wishes Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete destruction of one's profession ? thank you rishi G B Prashant Kumar Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for Lagna features check. Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 dear friends may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha mention the source of this verse and its meaning. neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro principles a laughing stock. pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in simple holistic way. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt mother? These > delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I would like to > learn from your experiences. > > Namaste > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > gkgoel1937 writes: > > Dear Friends, > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also Nakshatras. > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS ascertained > with the > help of Nabhas yogas. > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- and seven > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later scheme > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are used > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not fruitfull. But a > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of other > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > G.K.GOEL > > > Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: Rishim, > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini, s > > ame as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, javyam, duru muhurtham etc the whole > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava yoga such > dasa must operate. > > say if sukra isin 7th and onedoesnt run sukra dasa it wont affedt marriage > prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, or frequent > travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, muts its spirit must be understood and > then modified to times, culture,, place etc/ > Best wishes > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete destruction of > one's profession ? > > thank you > > rishi > > G B Prashant Kumar > > Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, > family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for > Lagna features check. > Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT > consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archives: vedic astrology > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Dear Friends, I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that such and such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this raises following issues: 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us now. In the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles were enumerated and their details and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not lay hand on Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to these works, the style of his commentary would have been quite different. 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and is of immense value. The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or under- rated. The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ This dictum has three words which mean as under: Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka ..Naisargik, Char or Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 on Karakas in ‘BPHS’ BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha jyotish.Bhava systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be applicable. NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will be there but benefit will not be fully realized or felt. I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha Ratnakar’ authored by St. Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will give Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: “If the different Karakas are present in their respective Bhavas, such bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results” Comments of Dr. Raman: This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of self, in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, Moon in 4th mother etc. There are many exceptions: a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for finance in its dasa b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by placement of KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona houses. In such a case, even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and moon is in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm 1st and 4th house. This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen in chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has made an in depth study , which require further research. The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. REGARDS TO ALL G.K.GOEL panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha mention the source of this verse and its meaning. neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro principles a laughing stock. pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in simple holistic way. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt mother? These > delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I would like to > learn from your experiences. > > Namaste > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > gkgoel1937 writes: > > Dear Friends, > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also Nakshatras. > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS ascertained > with the > help of Nabhas yogas. > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- and seven > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later scheme > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are used > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not fruitfull. But a > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of other > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > G.K.GOEL > > > Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: Rishim, > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini, s > > ame as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, javyam, duru muhurtham etc the whole > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava yoga such > dasa must operate. > > say if sukra isin 7th and onedoesnt run sukra dasa it wont affedt marriage > prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, or frequent > travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, muts its spirit must be understood and > then modified to times, culture,, place etc/ > Best wishes > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete destruction of > one's profession ? > > thank you > > rishi > > G B Prashant Kumar > > Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, > family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for > Lagna features check. > Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT > consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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