Different techniques Question to Wendy didi

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy <didi>,

 

Good to finally hear that Santhanam's BPHS does have the slokas!

 

Would it be possible to post the sloka given apropos the following

context?

 

" Anyastaradassadhyascha na sarvah sarvasammatah "

 

Does this match with the one that you found in Santhanam ji's version

of BPHS?

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> It is interesting how 'translators' tend to introduce their

> colourations into the text they translate! Even when translations

are

> not involved oral transmission stands the risk of contamination

> (hence very strict rules existed when it was the sole mean of

> transfer of knowledge -- perhaps). This is what is demonstrated

> during the party game where a message is whispered into the ear of

a

> person who then must convey the message to another and so on. By

the

> time there have been 20 iterations or so, if the 20th message is

> compared with the original, it generally seems to have changed

quite

> a bit even over the 30-40 minutes it takes to complete the game! So

I

> am in agreement with ancient texts suffering from modifications and

> intrusions. I have given examples about the discrepancies about

lunar

> noded in BPHS in the " astrotreasures that survived through time "

> article some years ago.

>

> While one would be understandably wary of using a text which is

> contaminated, if not corrupted as proof or evidence (I think that

is

> akin to circular logic or something like that) but even here I will

> point out some interesting things!

>

> Firstly, you are probably using Santhanam's translation of BPHS,

> because in Sharma's translation Chapter 46 deals with Marakas (atha

> marakadhyaya). The dasha adhyaya is 48. There is an interesting

> difference in the translation by Sharma. Whereas your translation

> stated, " ...Sandhya, Pachak, Tara etc. But in our view all these

> Dashas are not appropriate.* "

>

> Sharma translates the same sloka as, " ... Panchaka dasa and other

> tara dasas and the like are the different form of dasas. However,

out

> of these various Dasa forms, all are not acceptable by common

> consensus "

>

> The sloka itself goes, " Anyastaradassadhyascha na sarvah

> sarvasammatah "

>

> Even to someone not too familiar with sanskrit, the sloka would

seem

> to be closer in meaning to what Sharma translated. Indicating

a " lack

> of consensus " as opposed to your translator's, 'But in our view all

> these Dashas are not appropriate " . Very different statements! Maybe

> the sloka in the translation followed by you was quoted

differently.

> In that case there is evidence in favour of tampering or

> modification. I would be very interested if you do not mind writing

> out the last few words of the sloka, like I did from the version I

> have. Thanks for your trouble.

>

> The jyotishi I was refering to later on made a slight modification

in

> the statement and perhaps his position too by saying that he would

> not recommend that researchers mix Parashari and jaimini techniques

> in research projects. I can understand that position and need to

keep

> things simple for most.

>

> What you label as " ridiculous " on my part about planets switching

> their hats was not my view! Just to help you understand, let me

> reiterate. This individual was saying that Jaimini factors must not

> be used with Parashari factors. Now since the same planets are

> involved as also houses etc in both systems, it would almost seem

as

> the sun for instance cannot act or show its effects as lord of

fifth

> house as well as being the atmakaraka or perhaps the planet placed

in

> arudha lagna and participating in a Parashari rajyoga at the same

> time! That would be a ridiculous assumption because planets assume

> all of the roles which the two frameworks of astrology Parashara

and

> Jaimini seem to have defined for ease of understanding.

>

> It is like two blind men examining the elephant, one feels the

tusk,

> the other the ears and one calls the elephant hard and polished

while

> the other calls the elephant soft, warm and rough and leathery!

>

> I personally do not care what individual astrologers or teachers

use

> in their thinking or teaching or practice and it is not my mission

to

> change their views or whatever. If they are getting good results

with

> whatever they have in their hands, I am happy for them!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

> <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> >

> > I determined to 'make time' to read through some of your articles

> today, and

> > I can certainly see (now) why you would be in such disagreement

> with me.

> >

> > An extract from " Traps in Jyotish "

> (http://www.boloji.com/astro/00342.htm)

> > *Then a statement was made that rashi drishti should not be used

> for

> > research because it was Jaimini and not Parashari, although it

> prominently

> > appears in BPHS, the mammoth magnum opus attributed to Sage

> Parashara! This

> > kind of `logic' that one should not consider Parashari and

Jaimini

> rules

> > together, as verbalized by this individual gets ridiculous

because

> the same

> > planet probably does not switch its Parashari hat with its

Jaimini

> hat when

> > it wants to express/indicate some astrological effects, or does

it?*

> >

> > What seems ridiculous here is not the distinction between one

> technique and

> > another (put forward by 'this individual' you referred to

somewhat

> > disdainfully) but rather your assumption that the different

> predictive

> > techniques i.e. Vimsottari dasa system (incorporating graha

> aspects, natural

> > karaka etc) and Rasi specific dasa system (incorporating rasi

> drishtis,

> > chara karakas etc) could, in any way, imply that a planet would

(or

> could)

> > switch its Parashari hat with its Jaimini hat...

> >

> > Indeed you're correct when you say that both techniques are given

> in BPHS,

> > however, we mustn't lose sight of the fact that this classic was

a

> > compilation of various techniques by who-knows-who...not actually

> written by

> > Parashara himself. Some say it was a compilation of the writings

of

> > astrologers belonging to Parashara's lineage, probably evolving

> into its

> > present form a couple of thousand year after Parashara's time...

> Who knows?

> > Who could ever know? What we do know is that the Rasi specific

dasa

> system

> > is associated with Maharshi Jaimini (as per Jaimini Sutram)

whereas

> the

> > Vimsottari dasa system is associated with Maharshi Parashara as

was

> made

> > clear in the following slokas.

> >

> > BPHS Ch.46

> > *2-5. Maharishi Parashar replied. O Brahmin! Dashas are of many

> kinds.

> > Amongst them Vimshottari is the most appropriate for the general

> populace.

> > But the other Dashas, followed in special cases, are Astottari,

> > Shodshottari, Dwadashottari, Panchottari, Shatabdik, Chaturashiti-

> sama,

> > Dwisaptati-sama, Shastihayani, Shat-trimshat-sama. Our ancients

> have

> > described these different kinds of Dashas, based on Nakshatras.

> >

> > 6-11. O Brahmin! Some Maharishis have made a mention of Kala and

> Chakr

> > Dasha, but they have recognized the Kala Chakr Dasha, as supreme.

> The other

> > kinds of Dashas, propagated by the sages, are Char, Sthir, Kendr,

> Karak,

> > Brahma Grah, Manduk, Shul, Yogardh, Drig, Trikon, Rashi,

> Panchswara, Yogini,

> > Pind, Nausargik, Asht Varg, Sandhya, Pachak, Tara etc. But in our

> view all

> > these Dashas are not appropriate.*

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > jyotish-vidya

> > ___

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohiniranjan,

 

A little misunderstanding here, I think :-)

 

To make things clear I've just scanned a page from my copy of BPHS and

uploaded it to the 'Files' section...probably won't be too clear but

hopefully, as they say; " a picture's worth a thousand words. "

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:28 AM

Re: Different techniques <Question to Wendy didi>

 

 

Dear Wendy <didi>,

 

Good to finally hear that Santhanam's BPHS does have the slokas!

 

Would it be possible to post the sloka given apropos the following

context?

 

" Anyastaradassadhyascha na sarvah sarvasammatah "

 

Does this match with the one that you found in Santhanam ji's version

of BPHS?

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan