Caesarean section for medical reasons - data

[Guest guest]

Dear Swamy,

 

I also recall seeing a similar mail (could have been this one) then when I

looked for it, I couldn't find it?

 

Will take a look a little later...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" muthukumaraswamydesigar " <muthukumaraswamydesigar

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:43 PM

Caesarean section for medical reasons - data

 

 

Dear List,

 

I received a mail asking data of a mother and a child (caesarean born

for medical reasons) to see how the dasha and transit show the

sufferings of a mother. I inadvertently deleted that mail. Perhaps

that could be from one of the members of this list since this subject

was discussed in this list recently.

 

Mother

 

DOB 6th May 1970

POB Gurgaon, (India) 77 E 02, 28 N 28

TOB 1710 hours

 

Male Child

 

DOB 14th October 1994

POB New Delhi (India) 77 E 12, 28 N 36

TOB 1257 hours

 

 

Interested members can see how in mother's chart the difficulty in

conception and the sufferings at the time of delivery is indicated.

Analyze the chart of the mother and the transit (the chart of child)

collectively which would clearly indicate what the mother should

under go.

 

Then analyze the birth chart of the child individually that clearly

shows the promise that the mother has to suffer surgical wounds and

sufferings.

 

Swamy.

[Guest guest]

Dear Swamy,

 

Just a quick look for now, if I may. Yes, as you say, the mother's chart

confirms the surgical intervention (caesarean section).

 

Her dasa at the time was RA-JU-VE-(ME?). Most immediate observation, of

course, is the aspect of transit 8th lord Mars (surgeon's knife) on bhukti

lord Jupiter etc, etc..

 

Hope to see some input from other members also :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" muthukumaraswamydesigar " <muthukumaraswamydesigar

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:43 PM

Caesarean section for medical reasons - data

 

 

Dear List,

 

I received a mail asking data of a mother and a child (caesarean born

for medical reasons) to see how the dasha and transit show the

sufferings of a mother. I inadvertently deleted that mail. Perhaps

that could be from one of the members of this list since this subject

was discussed in this list recently.

 

Mother

 

DOB 6th May 1970

POB Gurgaon, (India) 77 E 02, 28 N 28

TOB 1710 hours

 

Male Child

 

DOB 14th October 1994

POB New Delhi (India) 77 E 12, 28 N 36

TOB 1257 hours

 

 

Interested members can see how in mother's chart the difficulty in

conception and the sufferings at the time of delivery is indicated.

Analyze the chart of the mother and the transit (the chart of child)

collectively which would clearly indicate what the mother should

under go.

 

Then analyze the birth chart of the child individually that clearly

shows the promise that the mother has to suffer surgical wounds and

sufferings.

 

Swamy.

[Guest guest]

Dear Swamy,

 

Just a quick look for now, if I may. Yes, as you say, the mother's chart

confirms the surgical intervention (caesarean section).

 

Her dasa at the time was RA-JU-VE-(ME?). Most immediate observation, of

course, is the aspect of transit 8th lord Mars (surgeon's knife) on bhukti

lord Jupiter etc, etc..

 

Hope to see some input from other members also :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" muthukumaraswamydesigar " <muthukumaraswamydesigar

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:43 PM

Caesarean section for medical reasons - data

 

 

Dear List,

 

I received a mail asking data of a mother and a child (caesarean born

for medical reasons) to see how the dasha and transit show the

sufferings of a mother. I inadvertently deleted that mail. Perhaps

that could be from one of the members of this list since this subject

was discussed in this list recently.

 

Mother

 

DOB 6th May 1970

POB Gurgaon, (India) 77 E 02, 28 N 28

TOB 1710 hours

 

Male Child

 

DOB 14th October 1994

POB New Delhi (India) 77 E 12, 28 N 36

TOB 1257 hours

 

 

Interested members can see how in mother's chart the difficulty in

conception and the sufferings at the time of delivery is indicated.

Analyze the chart of the mother and the transit (the chart of child)

collectively which would clearly indicate what the mother should

under go.

 

Then analyze the birth chart of the child individually that clearly

shows the promise that the mother has to suffer surgical wounds and

sufferings.

 

Swamy.

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy and Swamy,

 

I have checked these two charts too. Just to add that even looking at the

child's chart alone, who was doing the Mars dasa, Jupiter bukthi, one can

see trouble for the mother as Mars sits on the 8th house, which is 5th

(womb) from 4th (mother). This Mars is also in Cancer, sign of the Mother,

where it is debilitated thus having a very bad influence on that house.

Jupiter (4th lord) is the sign of the great enemy and the Moon (also mother

and in this case a significator for 5th from 4th thus also representing the

mother's womb) is in a maraka (killer) house, aspected by Mars although not

so close at that time and this could make one guess that the day and night

just before the caesarean must have been rather a difficult one for this

mother. Perhaps the fact that the Moon in Capricorn is actually in the sign

of a friend might have helped this mother through such a difficult and

painful situation...

 

Best wishes, Rui.

 

On 06/06/07, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Swamy,

>

> Just a quick look for now, if I may. Yes, as you say, the mother's chart

> confirms the surgical intervention (caesarean section).

>

> Her dasa at the time was RA-JU-VE-(ME?). Most immediate observation, of

> course, is the aspect of transit 8th lord Mars (surgeon's knife) on bhukti

>

> lord Jupiter etc, etc..

>

> Hope to see some input from other members also :-)

>

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

> -

> " muthukumaraswamydesigar "

<muthukumaraswamydesigar<muthukumaraswamydesigar%40>

> >

> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:43 PM

> Caesarean section for medical reasons - data

>

> Dear List,

>

> I received a mail asking data of a mother and a child (caesarean born

> for medical reasons) to see how the dasha and transit show the

> sufferings of a mother. I inadvertently deleted that mail. Perhaps

> that could be from one of the members of this list since this subject

> was discussed in this list recently.

>

> Mother

>

> DOB 6th May 1970

> POB Gurgaon, (India) 77 E 02, 28 N 28

> TOB 1710 hours

>

> Male Child

>

> DOB 14th October 1994

> POB New Delhi (India) 77 E 12, 28 N 36

> TOB 1257 hours

>

> Interested members can see how in mother's chart the difficulty in

> conception and the sufferings at the time of delivery is indicated.

> Analyze the chart of the mother and the transit (the chart of child)

> collectively which would clearly indicate what the mother should

> under go.

>

> Then analyze the birth chart of the child individually that clearly

> shows the promise that the mother has to suffer surgical wounds and

> sufferings.

>

> Swamy.

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

Hi All,

 

I think this discussion that is going on is getting deviated a

little, if I many say so.

 

Are we looking at problems for mother /child or are we trying to find

if the time of birth can be predetermined by us?

 

If we are looking for problems for mother and or child then even in

natural births the mother and child go through so many problems not

necessarily only in the case of a C-section birth. Some elective C-

sections give no problems at all, neither to the mother or to the

child.

 

Natural child births are also full of problems in many cases. My

thinking is that the child struggles to come into this world much

more in a natural birth than in a C- section.

 

As far as astrology is concerned, it is the same for a natural as

well as a c-section birth. Looking for answers in a childs chart is a

futile effort. Yes one can look for a difficult as against a

traumatic birth. Hope this does not annoy anyone, its only my

personal view.

 

Regards,

 

Neena.

 

Neena

 

-- In jyotish-vidya , " muthukumaraswamydesigar "

<muthukumaraswamydesigar wrote:

>

> Dear List,

>

> I received a mail asking data of a mother and a child (caesarean

born

> for medical reasons) to see how the dasha and transit show the

> sufferings of a mother. I inadvertently deleted that mail.

Perhaps

> that could be from one of the members of this list since this

subject

> was discussed in this list recently.

>

> Mother

>

> DOB 6th May 1970

> POB Gurgaon, (India) 77 E 02, 28 N 28

> TOB 1710 hours

>

> Male Child

>

> DOB 14th October 1994

> POB New Delhi (India) 77 E 12, 28 N 36

> TOB 1257 hours

>

>

> Interested members can see how in mother's chart the difficulty in

> conception and the sufferings at the time of delivery is

indicated.

> Analyze the chart of the mother and the transit (the chart of

child)

> collectively which would clearly indicate what the mother should

> under go.

>

> Then analyze the birth chart of the child individually that clearly

> shows the promise that the mother has to suffer surgical wounds and

> sufferings.

>

> Swamy.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neena

 

Yes - very valid point. Members might have also observed that, for many natives

- pregnancy period is difficult, but normal/smooth deliveries (and vice versa).

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

" Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional. "

************************************************

 

neenako

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:46:09 -0000

jyotish-vidya

Re: Caesarean section for medical reasons - data

-

Hi All,

 

I think this discussion that is going on is getting deviated a

little, if I many say so.

 

Are we looking at problems for mother /child or are we trying to find

if the time of birth can be predetermined by us?

 

If we are looking for problems for mother and or child then even in

natural births the mother and child go through so many problems not

necessarily only in the case of a C-section birth. Some elective C-

sections give no problems at all, neither to the mother or to the

child.

 

Natural child births are also full of problems in many cases. My

thinking is that the child struggles to come into this world much

more in a natural birth than in a C- section.

 

As far as astrology is concerned, it is the same for a natural as

well as a c-section birth. Looking for answers in a childs chart is a

futile effort. Yes one can look for a difficult as against a

traumatic birth. Hope this does not annoy anyone, its only my

personal view.

 

Regards,

 

Neena.

 

Neena

 

-- In jyotish-vidya , " muthukumaraswamydesigar "

<muthukumaraswamydesigar wrote:

>

> Dear List,

>

> I received a mail asking data of a mother and a child (caesarean

born

> for medical reasons) to see how the dasha and transit show the

> sufferings of a mother. I inadvertently deleted that mail.

Perhaps

> that could be from one of the members of this list since this

subject

> was discussed in this list recently.

>

> Mother

>

> DOB 6th May 1970

> POB Gurgaon, (India) 77 E 02, 28 N 28

> TOB 1710 hours

>

> Male Child

>

> DOB 14th October 1994

> POB New Delhi (India) 77 E 12, 28 N 36

> TOB 1257 hours

>

>

> Interested members can see how in mother's chart the difficulty in

> conception and the sufferings at the time of delivery is

indicated.

> Analyze the chart of the mother and the transit (the chart of

child)

> collectively which would clearly indicate what the mother should

> under go.

>

> Then analyze the birth chart of the child individually that clearly

> shows the promise that the mother has to suffer surgical wounds and

> sufferings.

>

> Swamy.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rui,

 

Yes indeed, this can be seen (clearly) from many angles. Which takes us back

to the original question of Narsing Raj that asked:

 

///Pl. confirm how far the astrology will give results on the children

born with ceserian (operation) , since we can fix the best time of

birth and can have delivery of baby as per our desired LAGNA ON ANY

PARTICULAR GOOD TIME .

Will the Astrology Birth chart will give all the results as per the

Jyotish Shastra ??///

 

We can say most certainly that, no matter what the circumstances of birth,

it will be in accord with the karma of mother and child. It should be clear

that the decisions we make whilst (supposedly) exercising our 'free will',

are, in effect, orchestrated by the navagrahas. If this were not so, the

consequences of those decisions would not be reflected in the horoscope.

Even decisions made by the medical staff (doctors) are in accord with the

karma of those they are attending.

 

We can only marvel at the all-encompassing nature of Natural Law expressed

through the navagrahas...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" rupamede " <rupamede

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:28 AM

Re: Caesarean section for medical reasons - data

 

 

Dear Wendy and Swamy,

 

I have checked these two charts too. Just to add that even looking at the

child's chart alone, who was doing the Mars dasa, Jupiter bukthi, one can

see trouble for the mother as Mars sits on the 8th house, which is 5th

(womb) from 4th (mother). This Mars is also in Cancer, sign of the Mother,

where it is debilitated thus having a very bad influence on that house.

Jupiter (4th lord) is the sign of the great enemy and the Moon (also mother

and in this case a significator for 5th from 4th thus also representing the

mother's womb) is in a maraka (killer) house, aspected by Mars although not

so close at that time and this could make one guess that the day and night

just before the caesarean must have been rather a difficult one for this

mother. Perhaps the fact that the Moon in Capricorn is actually in the sign

of a friend might have helped this mother through such a difficult and

painful situation...

 

Best wishes, Rui.

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafulla, Neena and All,

 

It's understandable that, for those who may not have followed the thread

from its source, the point of the exercise could be missed...

 

The queries from Narsing Raj (as per the following) were what triggered the

discussion:

 

///Thanks for joining the discussion of ceserian births, I have seen

some of the cases where the deliveries of babies has been done with

pre-determined time successfully, As you told that this may be the gods

grace or the babies are lucky enough to take birth in pre determined lagnas

but pl. tell me in such cases where the birth has taken place as per plan

and gods grace present, then can we consider that these babies are lucky

enough, and the horoscope of these babies will be in the same line with the

natural born babies horoscopes.

 

or other wise we did not have to take considerations of such cases, as per

PARASHARA these types of birth are not been discussed.

 

kindly give some focus on the successful cases and share y our

experience.///

 

No doubt, as you've rightly noted Neena, there are many possible

difficulties associated with childbirth (as with pregnancy itself).. This

too was touched upon in this thread when I gave details of the very

difficult delivery of my own child born with 8th lord Moon (in nakshatra of

Ketu) inimicably placed in lagna...

 

We also saw the difficulties for mother reflected in the transits at that

time.

 

The exercise, in a nutshell, was to show the unequivocal hand of fate in all

our experiences. Whether planned, unplanned, unexpected, accidental,

(seemingly) contrived or otherwise, there is no escaping the hand of fate.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:55 AM

RE: Re: Caesarean section for medical reasons -

data

 

 

Dear Neena

 

Yes - very valid point. Members might have also observed that, for many

natives - pregnancy period is difficult, but normal/smooth deliveries (and

vice versa).

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

" Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional. "

************************************************

 

neenako

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:46:09 -0000

jyotish-vidya

Re: Caesarean section for medical reasons - data

-

Hi All,

 

I think this discussion that is going on is getting deviated a

little, if I many say so.

 

Are we looking at problems for mother /child or are we trying to find

if the time of birth can be predetermined by us?

 

If we are looking for problems for mother and or child then even in

natural births the mother and child go through so many problems not

necessarily only in the case of a C-section birth. Some elective C-

sections give no problems at all, neither to the mother or to the

child.

 

Natural child births are also full of problems in many cases. My

thinking is that the child struggles to come into this world much

more in a natural birth than in a C- section.

 

As far as astrology is concerned, it is the same for a natural as

well as a c-section birth. Looking for answers in a childs chart is a

futile effort. Yes one can look for a difficult as against a

traumatic birth. Hope this does not annoy anyone, its only my

personal view.

 

Regards,

 

Neena.

[Guest guest]

Dear List,

 

Let this exercise be futile if somebody thinks so. Again, I give you

the data of the 2nd child of the same mother, those who want to see

how this pattern repeats again. See how the predetermination and

the interconnected destiny work. The mother and the child may be two

different entities for all practical purposes. But they are

interconnected; don't know, from how long, from how many births.

 

(Remember she should suffer the surgical wounds and difficulties that

is what I wrote earlier – is the promise in her basic chart – this

should be fructified. The dasha and transit should show this. Let

any number of children she gives birth to. I did not write they

have chosen a time or muhurtha for the delivery. I started a new

thread with new subject head. Of course I have given the reference

of the previous thread why I am posting the data?)

 

Male – 2nd child

TOB 1635 hours

DOB 10th January 1998

POB New Delhi (India) 77E12 28N36

 

This lady was enjoying the dasha of Ra/Sa/Ra. Rahu is in the house

of 6th. Saturn, the 5th lord is placed in the 8th.

 

At the time of delivery, the dasha lord Rahu was transiting in the

12th from the Lagna, the hospital. The bukti lord Saturn (her 5th

and 6th Lord) transiting over the 7th influencing her Lagna and

Moon. Her 8th Lord Mars transiting over her 5th house of child birth

and influencing her 5th and Lagna Lord in the 8th.

 

Now let us see the chart of the child. The child born with the dasha

of Ma/Sa/Ke. Ma is in the 8th house of difficulties which is the 5th

house from the 4th. Saturn the 8th Lord influencing the 4th house

of mother and the fourth lord of Mercury in the 7th and Sun who is

the fourth lord from Moon (karaka Mother) and the Moon in the 12th

(Karaka Mother).

 

The Lady and her spouse had taken all efforts to avoid the C-

section. Still she had to undergo.

 

Swamy.

 

PS:

 

It is needless to say, every time a woman gives birth to a child - it

is a " Punar Janma " – i.e. she is taking another birth. I know pretty

well this situation. My mother gave birth to 8 children I am the

eldest. I know pretty well how my mother was suffering – but all

were normal deliveries at home – not even at the hospital – with the

help of the neighbors and the maternal grandma. I was 17 when my

last sister born. I was mentally matured enough to understand what

is child birth. The bottom line is one is to suffer from the knife

and the resultant blood loss and transmission and running around the

hospitals and some one is with the usual pain associated with the

delivery and minimum loss of blood.

[Guest guest]

Dear Swamy,

 

That was an interesting analysis. It is very clear how multiple

indivdual karmas manifext in a single situation. The baby was

destined to have a complicated birth. The mother was destined to

undergo pain and suffering during child birth. And, these two

take place in a single event. And, this mother and that baby

have much more common to share throughout their life and hence

the relationship has dveloped in the first place.

 

That is why I don't agree with people who say " Mother/Father

suffered because the child's chart was not good " . I believe that

no one suffers becasue of someone else be it their own parents

or children. It is because of their own karma that they suffer.

 

I have one question though. How do we correctly predict when

would a lady deliver a baby?

 

As this is not a trivial event, I am sure there should be sure

shot methods to predict the same.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

--- muthukumaraswamydesigar <muthukumaraswamydesigar

wrote:

 

> Dear List,

>

> Let this exercise be futile if somebody thinks so. Again, I

> give you

> the data of the 2nd child of the same mother, those who want

> to see

> how this pattern repeats again. See how the predetermination

> and

> the interconnected destiny work. The mother and the child may

> be two

> different entities for all practical purposes. But they are

> interconnected; don't know, from how long, from how many

> births.

>

> (Remember she should suffer the surgical wounds and

> difficulties that

> is what I wrote earlier – is the promise in her basic chart –

> this

> should be fructified. The dasha and transit should show this.

> Let

> any number of children she gives birth to. I did not write

> they

> have chosen a time or muhurtha for the delivery. I started a

> new

> thread with new subject head. Of course I have given the

> reference

> of the previous thread why I am posting the data?)

>

> Male – 2nd child

> TOB 1635 hours

> DOB 10th January 1998

> POB New Delhi (India) 77E12 28N36

>

> This lady was enjoying the dasha of Ra/Sa/Ra. Rahu is in the

> house

> of 6th. Saturn, the 5th lord is placed in the 8th.

>

> At the time of delivery, the dasha lord Rahu was transiting in

> the

> 12th from the Lagna, the hospital. The bukti lord Saturn (her

> 5th

> and 6th Lord) transiting over the 7th influencing her Lagna

> and

> Moon. Her 8th Lord Mars transiting over her 5th house of

> child birth

> and influencing her 5th and Lagna Lord in the 8th.

>

> Now let us see the chart of the child. The child born with

> the dasha

> of Ma/Sa/Ke. Ma is in the 8th house of difficulties which is

> the 5th

> house from the 4th. Saturn the 8th Lord influencing the 4th

> house

> of mother and the fourth lord of Mercury in the 7th and Sun

> who is

> the fourth lord from Moon (karaka Mother) and the Moon in the

> 12th

> (Karaka Mother).

>

> The Lady and her spouse had taken all efforts to avoid the C-

> section. Still she had to undergo.

>

> Swamy.

>

> PS:

>

> It is needless to say, every time a woman gives birth to a

> child - it

> is a " Punar Janma " – i.e. she is taking another birth. I know

> pretty

> well this situation. My mother gave birth to 8 children I am

> the

> eldest. I know pretty well how my mother was suffering – but

> all

> were normal deliveries at home – not even at the hospital –

> with the

> help of the neighbors and the maternal grandma. I was 17 when

> my

> last sister born. I was mentally matured enough to

> understand what

> is child birth. The bottom line is one is to suffer from the

> knife

> and the resultant blood loss and transmission and running

> around the

> hospitals and some one is with the usual pain associated with

> the

> delivery and minimum loss of blood.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna,

 

I think you are talking of timing of an event. (When would a lady

deliver a baby?) Each astrologer develops his own way to arrive at a

particular event in a chart due to his experience.

 

First analyze the basic promise available in a chart. If an event is

not promised in a chart whatsoever the dasha or the transit one is

favorably enjoying, the event is not going to materialize at all.

 

I mainly rely upon the dasha. I use two dasha systems, at the least,

to pin point the event. At times three, on certain charts, namely

Vimshottari, Chara Dasha of Jaimini and Yogini. When two dasha

systems are confirming a particular event, during a period, then I

certainly confident of that event which is going to happen during a

particular period.

 

One should first identify the planet which is highly qualified and

empowered to fructify an event during its period. This is the method

which I follow.

 

If you know how to apply Ashtaka varga that helps you to narrow down

the period very profitably.

 

Swamy.

 

PS: Here I am not testing you. In the instant chart (Mother'Chart)

Why Rahu has given child birth to the lady? What is your take on

Rahu? Why Rahu? Since every one finds a particular event by his own

way. Here we know well it was Rahu which has given children. What

is your justification for that? That is where the sure shot differs

from one another.

 

I know an able astrologer who is capable of telling the Constellation

in which a child is going to take birth from a birth chart. I asked

him on more than one occasion, how he is doing that, his reply was

keep patience - observe and observe that is the only way - there is

no short cut......

 

 

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

 

>>>I have one question though. How do we correctly predict when

would a lady deliver a baby?

 

As this is not a trivial event, I am sure there should be sure

shot methods to predict the same.>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Swamy,

 

Thanks for your inputs. I really appreciate it. Yes, what you

suggested is quite logical. However, I was looking for more

concrete methods. But, as you say, probably I should observe

more charts and develop my own method.

 

//In the instant chart (Mother'Chart) Why Rahu has given child

birth to the lady? What is your take on Rahu? Why Rahu?//

 

Let me try to figure this one out:

 

The fifth lord is Sani. If I look at the sambandhas of Sani, I

see that - Sani is conjunct with Ravi and Budha. Sani is also

close to Moon though Moon is in a different Rasi. Sani disposits

Rahu and Sani is disposited by Mars. Sani aspects Guru.

 

Karaka Guru aspects Rahu, Sani, Ravi and Budha. Karaka Guru is

disposited by Venus. (I think I covered almost all planets by

now!).

 

The strongest of above would be Sani, Ravi, Budha, Rahu and Guru

as they are influenced by both the 5th lord and the Karaka.

 

But we could leave out Budha as he is both combust and

retrograde. Rahu is vargottama and occupies a friendly sign.

Guru is retrograde (in an enemy sign). Ravi is exalted and Sani

is debilitated. Out of the list, Rahu and Ravi look the best to

give positive results. But, Ravi is debilitated in navamsa. That

leaves only Rahu as untainted so far.

 

Now let us see what MDs are working between the age of 18 and 45

for the lady. It is Rahu and Guru and both are favourable, Rahu

being the most favourable.

 

Until this point it is fine. However, the question is how do we

go deeper and zero-in on probable year at the least?

 

By observing the birth dates of the two children, one can see

that the first child is born durng Rahu-Guru period and the

second child is born during Rahu-Sani period. Logically, this

looks correct as Guru is the karaka and Sani is the fifth lord.

However, would I have predicted in advance that Guru and Sani

periods would give a child? Probably not, because both Guru and

Sani are not well placed in the chart. But, it appears that they

have still done their job.

 

Do you think my line of thinking is correct? Would you advice me

to look at anything else?

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

--- muthukumaraswamydesigar <muthukumaraswamydesigar

wrote:

 

> Dear Krishna,

>

> I think you are talking of timing of an event. (When would a

> lady

> deliver a baby?) Each astrologer develops his own way to

> arrive at a

> particular event in a chart due to his experience.

>

> First analyze the basic promise available in a chart. If an

> event is

> not promised in a chart whatsoever the dasha or the transit

> one is

> favorably enjoying, the event is not going to materialize at

> all.

>

> I mainly rely upon the dasha. I use two dasha systems, at the

> least,

> to pin point the event. At times three, on certain charts,

> namely

> Vimshottari, Chara Dasha of Jaimini and Yogini. When two

> dasha

> systems are confirming a particular event, during a period,

> then I

> certainly confident of that event which is going to happen

> during a

> particular period.

>

> One should first identify the planet which is highly qualified

> and

> empowered to fructify an event during its period. This is the

> method

> which I follow.

>

> If you know how to apply Ashtaka varga that helps you to

> narrow down

> the period very profitably.

>

> Swamy.

>

> PS: Here I am not testing you. In the instant chart

> (Mother'Chart)

> Why Rahu has given child birth to the lady? What is your take

> on

> Rahu? Why Rahu? Since every one finds a particular event by

> his own

> way. Here we know well it was Rahu which has given children.

> What

> is your justification for that? That is where the sure shot

> differs

> from one another.

>

> I know an able astrologer who is capable of telling the

> Constellation

> in which a child is going to take birth from a birth chart. I

> asked

> him on more than one occasion, how he is doing that, his reply

> was

> keep patience - observe and observe that is the only way -

> there is

> no short cut......

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

>

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> >>>I have one question though. How do we correctly predict

> when

> would a lady deliver a baby?

>

> As this is not a trivial event, I am sure there should be sure

> shot methods to predict the same.>>>>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna,

 

Why Rahu? – My take.

 

From Lagna:

 

Rahu is Vargaottama and is in his friend's sign. (You have observed

it very rightly). Further, Rahu is in his own constellation. Now the

dasha of Rahu comes at the age of 20 of the native and the native

would enjoy till the age of 38. This dasha sequence is more

important and it is very favorable for her. At the age of 20 she has

completed her education. Now the next priorities in her life would

be employment, marriage followed by child birth. All planets give

their results during their sub-periods, their promised results. Hence

dasha is the only sound means to pin point an event.

 

Rahu is aspected by Jupiter, the Karaka for progeny from the 2nd

house of extension of family. See who is this Jupiter? He is the

lord of 4th and 7th. Hence Rahu has to give the results of those

lordship results. Jupiter takes the role of happiness personified in

the chart i.e. the domestic happiness as well as the conjugal

happiness. A child birth is the very outcome of this, after

marriage. This Jupiter has to give the partner to this lady. Not

only that, Jupiter connects the second house, 6th house, 8th house

and the 10th. What does it mean?

 

Rahu in its dasha (the trend of the maha dasha),

 

• Extension of family, progeny, partner (i.e. Marriage)

• Struggles (being in 6th house) could be health related (being

Rahu in 6:12 axis) during child birth (being in 6th – 6th is the 2nd

house from 5th)

• Obstacles health related – (Mercury Rx being lagna lord in

8th with 6th lord Saturn and 5th lord Sun in 8th) - retrograde

planets do not give protection in the area of health problems.

Jupiter being retrograde did not protect her at the time of child

birth. He has given protection to the extent of his karakathwa i.e.

granted progeny in his antar dasha.

• Money, employment and position again with struggles. (Jupiter

in 2nd house of accumulated savings, connecting the 10th lord and

10th house. Mercury being 10th lord in 8th, she has to face in the

instability in her workplace also.

 

Now consider the position of Rahu from Moon. Rahu is in 10th – this

position reinforces the trend which we have seen earlier. (See the

aspects of planets and the connection of houses etc. etc.).

 

 

>>>By observing the birth dates of the two children, one can see

that the first child is born durng Rahu-Guru period and the

second child is born during Rahu-Sani period. Logically, this

looks correct as Guru is the karaka and Sani is the fifth lord.

However, would I have predicted in advance that Guru and Sani

periods would give a child? Probably not, because both Guru and

Sani are not well placed in the chart. But, it appears that they

have still done their job.>>>

 

Again you are in right track but with some doubts. They certainly

will grant progeny (Saturn and Jupiter) Why? Remember all the planets

have to give the favorable and unfavorable result in their sub-

periods simultaneously towards a particular signification.

 

• Saturn is the 5th lord from lagna and he aspects his own

house.

• Saturn is the 5th lord having connection with lagna lord and

karaka Jupiter.

 

(Saturn is in 8th with 12th lord and ill placed hence he is to give

the struggles and obstacles in the hospital also. Saturn has to

fulfill the basic promise of giving progeny. Mercury is combust and

retro that is the reason this lady has to under go the ordeals as

compared to other women during delivery in a hospital. Now Sun joins

the combination with Saturn. You have already spoken of their

weaknesses.)

 

Saturn is with the 5th lord from Moon. Further qualified to grant a

progeny during his sub-period. Now consider the aspect of Jupiter on

him. Jupiter is 8th lord of obstacles and 11th lord of gains

aspecting Saturn who is with 5th lord of Mercury from Moon in 12th

house. What we have seen already is getting repeated.

 

Saturn is the 5th lord from Jupiter, the karaka for progeny – Saturn

again qualified to grant a progeny with associated troubles.

Consider the aspects on him. What we have seen already is getting

repeated.

 

Saturn is 5th lord from Navamsa Lagna. Saturn aspects Jupiter. He

is not only becoming qualified but also makes Jupiter one of the

qualified candidates for granting progeny. In D-1, Saturn and

Jupiter are in mutual aspects. Hence Jupiter has already become an

empowered planet to grant progeny.

 

Now let us come to D-7, the saptamsha for looking child birth in a

chart. Saturn becomes the 5th lord and placed in 12th house of

hospital. In the lagna Sun the 12th lord aspected by 8th Lord Mars

clearly justify the surgical wounds and obstacles.

 

Finally, consider the mutual position of Rahu and Saturn and Jupiter

to grant results in their appropriate periods.

 

In D-1 Rahu and Saturn are in 3:11 – a better position

In D-9 Rahu and Saturn are in 6:8 – an adverse position

In D-7 Rahu and Saturn are in 4:10 – a better position

 

Now do the exercise yourself for Rahu/Jupiter.

 

Hope this helps you to some extent to judge this chart.

 

Swamy.

 

PS: I know pretty well some may not to the view that nodes

are being aspected. I do not Nodes cast aspect on other

planets.