Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 hello u can wear original khambhati gomed for rahu cats eye is not for rahu gomed is for rahu --- vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > Dear sir, > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to > Rahu? > Tks > Vincent > > > -- In vedic astrology , manoj sharma > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS > FOR KETU. ANY > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU > & AFTER LOOKING > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS > GEM STONE IS > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, > DELAY IN CHILD > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > Learned astrologer, > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty > expensive. I have > not > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in > this forum. > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > Tks > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 the gem for rahu is gomeda. manoj sharma vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: Dear sir, Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? Tks Vincent -- In vedic astrology , manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > DEAR SIR > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER LOOKING OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > Learned astrologer, > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have not > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > Tks > Vincent > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Dear Rohini God Bless U It belong to me Pram Chopra. Prem Chopra Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Kindly elaborate ...! Whose birthdata is this that you posted :-) RR vedic astrology , Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964 wrote: > > Dear Manoj > > God Bless U > > Dob: 01-06-1964 Tob: 15:38:00 Pob: Chandigarh (Punjab). > > Prem Chopra > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > Shri Prem ji > > I understand ur point, in my massege i clearly say to look other things also. > Sir can u give me ur birth detail for the sake of my study. > > thanks > > > Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964 wrote: > Dear Manoj > > God Bless U > > Please do not suggest Cat's Eye like medicine it may give birth to illusions to others. > There are degree's which should be followed before accepting or buying it. It should be suggested within auspicious time of that Planet. I hope you understand my point. > > Prem Chopra > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > DEAR SIR > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER LOOKING OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > Learned astrologer, > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have not > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > Tks > Vincent > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 JAI MAA DEAR FRIEND VINCENT U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. THANKS MANOJ SHARMA manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: the gem for rahu is gomeda. manoj sharma vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: Dear sir, Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? Tks Vincent -- In vedic astrology , manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > DEAR SIR > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER LOOKING OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > Learned astrologer, > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have not > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > Tks > Vincent > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Dear Vinhuat, Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had written a while ago. Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally very clear and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have little honey color overtone. Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are internally flawless. Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The gem must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these are highly valued. Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of reflected light which travels or floats on the surface of the gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very important that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in very rare cases thru irradiation. Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. Hope this was of value to the readers' Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, vinhuat writes: Dear Manoj Sharma, Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. All this while I was thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post my query. Regards Vincent - In vedic astrology , manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > JAI MAA > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > THANKS > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > manoj sharma > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > Dear sir, > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > Tks > Vincent > > -- In vedic astrology , manoj sharma > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER LOOKING > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > Learned astrologer, > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > not > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > Tks > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Namaste Sri Gaurav You mentioned " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. " Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is no evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Dear Vinhuat, > > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had written > a > while ago. > > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally > very clear > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. > > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have > little honey color overtone. > > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are > internally flawless. > > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The gem > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are > polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these are > highly > valued. > > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. > > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of reflected > light which travels or floats on the surface of the > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very important > that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. > > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in > very rare cases thru irradiation. > > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. > > Hope this was of value to the readers' > Gaurav Jain > > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, > > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> writes: > > Dear Manoj Sharma, > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. > All this while I was > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post > my query. > > Regards > > Vincent > > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > manoj sharma > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > JAI MAA > > > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > > > THANKS > > > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > > > manoj sharma > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > Dear sir, > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > > Tks > > Vincent > > > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > manoj sharma > > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER > LOOKING > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > > Learned astrologer, > > > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > > not > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > > > Tks > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities of Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely found to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York. Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are found on any or all commercial invoices. Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole story close up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses. Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the " indian " gem labs, including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like the women who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my french, but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences) Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a Padparascha Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone for color. (H(a)) technical grading. I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading, and personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them and they will " take care " of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our " word " is the most valuable commodity. Anyways, You are elder and know better. Love; Gaurav In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav You mentioned " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. " Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is no evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Dear Vinhuat, > > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had written > a > while ago. > > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally > very clear > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. > > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have > little honey color overtone. > > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are > internally flawless. > > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The gem > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are > polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these are > highly > valued. > > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. > > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of reflected > light which travels or floats on the surface of the > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very important > that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. > > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in > very rare cases thru irradiation. > > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. > > Hope this was of value to the readers' > Gaurav Jain > > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, > > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> writes: > > Dear Manoj Sharma, > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. > All this while I was > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post > my query. > > Regards > > Vincent > > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > manoj sharma > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > JAI MAA > > > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > > > THANKS > > > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > > > manoj sharma > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > Dear sir, > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > > Tks > > Vincent > > > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > manoj sharma > > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER > LOOKING > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > > Learned astrologer, > > > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > > not > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > > > Tks > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Namaste Sri Gaurav That the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read again what I have written before. All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab I have come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more. As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of the Swiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one without heat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated. Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as " Padparadscha " . They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbad has started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still no collective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of Richard Wise. Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti be so resourceful in astrology I hope you now know what I really said. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities > of > Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem > > Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely > found > to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro > Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York. > > Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported > into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are > found on > any or all commercial invoices. > > Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest > Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole > story close > up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses. > > Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the " indian " gem > labs, > including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private > company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like > the women > who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my > french, > but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences) > > Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a > Padparascha > Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it > certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone > for > color. (H(a)) technical grading. > > I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it > certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading, > and > personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them > and they will > " take care " of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our " word " > > is the most valuable commodity. > > Anyways, You are elder and know better. > > Love; > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > You mentioned > " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. " > > Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is > no > evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is > perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> < > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Dear Vinhuat, > > > > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to > > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had > written > > a > > while ago. > > > > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. > > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African > > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally > > very clear > > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and > > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. > > > > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have > > little honey color overtone. > > > > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are > > internally flawless. > > > > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The > > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The > gem > > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are > > polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these > are > > highly > > valued. > > > > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. > > > > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of > reflected > > light which travels or floats on the surface of the > > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very > important > > that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. > > > > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated > > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in > > very rare cases thru irradiation. > > > > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do > > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with > > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. > > > > Hope this was of value to the readers' > > Gaurav Jain > > > > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg> > writes: > > > > Dear Manoj Sharma, > > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my > > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire > > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light > > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any > > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. > > All this while I was > > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my > > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post > > my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Vincent > > > > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > > > JAI MAA > > > > > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > > > > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY > > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY > > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A > > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / > > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. > > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) > > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON > > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, > > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > > > > > manoj sharma > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > > Dear sir, > > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > > > Tks > > > Vincent > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER > > LOOKING > > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > > > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > > > Learned astrologer, > > > > > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > > > not > > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > > > > > Tks > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, " All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. " That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. On another note, If I can with all due respect offer a correction in your understanding:- Irradiation and diffusion are entirely different and separate process of enhancement to a gemstone, please do not confuse or mix-up the two. Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). Lattice or bulk or surface diffusion is one where an external agent( coloring agent like titanium, iron, chromium) is introduced to a gem with little or no color and as the gem is " heated " to " near " its melting point, the lattice of the crystal structure expands. I say near melting point cause this keeps the crystal structure from breaking apart, and still expand enough for the outside agent to permeate/penetrate into the gem. Now, in cases of external agents as mentioned above, the material is still not able to penetrate completely into the gem and therefore forms a thin layer of color all around the gem, essentially coloring the gem to a thin 0.4-0.5mm layer, and as a result chipping or setting, re-polishing can expose the gem colorless in parts. Be diffusion or deep Diffusion is one where this specific agent; beryllium, is able to permeate deep within the lattice crystal of the gem (primarily most Yellow Sapphires, orange sapphires on the commercial market) and is not limited to the thin layer surrounding the gem. Further, a very important point is that in this Be case, traces of its presence ( in inactive dormant form) are also found within sapphires particularly being mined in illakaka (Madagascar), and simple heating at near melting points activates that color ingredient to shine out giving more color to the stone. Therefore, even outside-in Be diffusion is attempted to be justified by the industry because the element is sometimes present in the stone already and inherently. The argument being that the coloring element was already present in the stone by mother nature. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheated one, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/18/2007 1:38:12 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav That the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read again what I have written before. All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab I have come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more. As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of the Swiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one without heat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated. Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as " Padparadscha " . They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbad has started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still no collective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of Richard Wise. Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti be so resourceful in astrology I hope you now know what I really said. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities > of > Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem > > Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely > found > to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro > Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York. > > Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported > into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are > found on > any or all commercial invoices. > > Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest > Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole > story close > up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses. > > Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the " indian " gem > labs, > including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private > company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like > the women > who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my > french, > but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences) > > Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a > Padparascha > Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it > certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone > for > color. (H(a)) technical grading. > > I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it > certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading, > and > personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them > and they will > " take care " of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our " word " > > is the most valuable commodity. > > Anyways, You are elder and know better. > > Love; > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > You mentioned > " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. " > > Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is > no > evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is > perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> < > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Dear Vinhuat, > > > > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to > > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had > written > > a > > while ago. > > > > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. > > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African > > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally > > very clear > > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and > > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. > > > > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have > > little honey color overtone. > > > > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are > > internally flawless. > > > > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The > > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The > gem > > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are > > polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these > are > > highly > > valued. > > > > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. > > > > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of > reflected > > light which travels or floats on the surface of the > > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very > important > > that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. > > > > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated > > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in > > very rare cases thru irradiation. > > > > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do > > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with > > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. > > > > Hope this was of value to the readers' > > Gaurav Jain > > > > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg> > writes: > > > > Dear Manoj Sharma, > > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my > > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire > > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light > > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any > > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. > > All this while I was > > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my > > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post > > my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Vincent > > > > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > > > JAI MAA > > > > > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > > > > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY > > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY > > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A > > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / > > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. > > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) > > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON > > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, > > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > > > > > manoj sharma > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > > Dear sir, > > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > > > Tks > > > Vincent > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER > > LOOKING > > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > > > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > > > Learned astrologer, > > > > > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > > > not > > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > > > > > Tks > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology-<vedic astrology-%40.co\ m> > <vedic astrology-%40> > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Dear Bharat Bhaiya, " Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). " Apologies for the typo, and it is to be read as but any corundum, meaning all corundum is subject to enhancement in today's commercial market. Gaurav In a message dated 4/18/2007 9:47:14 P.M. India Standard Time, yobrevol writes: Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, " All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. " That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. On another note, If I can with all due respect offer a correction in your understanding:- Irradiation and diffusion are entirely different and separate process of enhancement to a gemstone, please do not confuse or mix-up the two. Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). Lattice or bulk or surface diffusion is one where an external agent( coloring agent like titanium, iron, chromium) is introduced to a gem with little or no color and as the gem is " heated " to " near " its melting point, the lattice of the crystal structure expands. I say near melting point cause this keeps the crystal structure from breaking apart, and still expand enough for the outside agent to permeate/penetrate into the gem. Now, in cases of external agents as mentioned above, the material is still not able to penetrate completely into the gem and therefore forms a thin layer of color all around the gem, essentially coloring the gem to a thin 0.4-0.5mm layer, and as a result chipping or setting, re-polishing can expose the gem colorless in parts. Be diffusion or deep Diffusion is one where this specific agent; beryllium, is able to permeate deep within the lattice crystal of the gem (primarily most Yellow Sapphires, orange sapphires on the commercial market) and is not limited to the thin layer surrounding the gem. Further, a very important point is that in this Be case, traces of its presence ( in inactive dormant form) are also found within sapphires particularly being mined in illakaka (Madagascar), and simple heating at near melting points activates that c olor ingredient to shine out giving more color to the stone. Therefore, even outside-in Be diffusion is attempted to be justified by the industry because the element is sometimes present in the stone already and inherently. The argument being that the coloring element was already present in the stone by mother nature. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheated one, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/18/2007 1:38:12 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav That the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read again what I have written before. All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab I have come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more. As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of the Swiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one without heat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated. Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as " Padparadscha " . They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbad has started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still no collective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of Richard Wise. Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti be so resourceful in astrology I hope you now know what I really said. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities > of > Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem > > Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely > found > to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro > Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York. > > Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported > into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are > found on > any or all commercial invoices. > > Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest > Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole > story close > up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses. > > Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the " indian " gem > labs, > including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private > company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like > the women > who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my > french, > but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences) > > Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a > Padparascha > Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it > certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone > for > color. (H(a)) technical grading. > > I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it > certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading, > and > personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them > and they will > " take care " of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our " word " > > is the most valuable commodity. > > Anyways, You are elder and know better. > > Love; > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > You mentioned > " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. " > > Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is > no > evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is > perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> < > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Dear Vinhuat, > > > > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to > > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had > written > > a > > while ago. > > > > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. > > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African > > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally > > very clear > > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and > > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. > > > > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have > > little honey color overtone. > > > > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are > > internally flawless. > > > > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The > > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The > gem > > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are > > polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these > are > > highly > > valued. > > > > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. > > > > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of > reflected > > light which travels or floats on the surface of the > > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very > important > > that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. > > > > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated > > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in > > very rare cases thru irradiation. > > > > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do > > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with > > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. > > > > Hope this was of value to the readers' > > Gaurav Jain > > > > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg> > writes: > > > > Dear Manoj Sharma, > > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my > > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire > > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light > > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any > > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. > > All this while I was > > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my > > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post > > my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Vincent > > > > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > > > JAI MAA > > > > > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > > > > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY > > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY > > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A > > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / > > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. > > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) > > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON > > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, > > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > > > > > manoj sharma > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > > Dear sir, > > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > > > Tks > > > Vincent > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER > > LOOKING > > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > > > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > > > Learned astrologer, > > > > > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > > > not > > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > > > > > Tks > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology-<vedic astrology-%40. com> > <vedic astrology-%40> > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Dear Bharat Bhaiya, "Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). " Apologies for the typo, and it is to be read as but any corundum, meaning all corundum is subject to enhancement in today's commercial market. Gaurav In a message dated 4/18/2007 9:47:14 P.M. India Standard Time, yobrevol writes: Aum Durgayai NamahNamaste Bharat Bhaiya,"All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive forthe wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used inJyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treatedstones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, donot become radioactive for the wearer of the gem."That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being "cooled" and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a "cooling-off" process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. On another note, If I can with all due respect offer a correction in your understanding:-Irradiation and diffusion are entirely different and separate process of enhancement to a gemstone, please do not confuse or mix-up the two. Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). Lattice or bulk or surface diffusion is one where an external agent( coloring agent like titanium, iron, chromium) is introduced to a gem with little or no color and as the gem is "heated" to "near" its melting point, the lattice of the crystal structure expands. I say near melting point cause this keeps the crystal structure from breaking apart, and still expand enough for the outside agent to permeate/penetrate into the gem. Now, in cases of external agents as mentioned above, the material is still not able to penetrate completely into the gem and therefore forms a thin layer of color all around the gem, essentially coloring the gem to a thin 0.4-0.5mm layer, and as a result chipping or setting, re-polishing can expose the gem colorless in parts. Be diffusion or deep Diffusion is one where this specific agent; beryllium, is able to permeate deep within the lattice crystal of the gem (primarily most Yellow Sapphires, orange sapphires on the commercial market) and is not limited to the thin layer surrounding the gem. Further, a very important point is that in this Be case, traces of its presence ( in inactive dormant form) are also found within sapphires particularly being mined in illakaka (Madagascar), and simple heating at near melting points activates that color ingredient to shine out giving more color to the stone. Therefore, even outside-in Be diffusion is attempted to be justified by the industry because the element is sometimes present in the stone already and inherently. The argument being that the coloring element was already present in the stone by mother nature.Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol :)On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheated one, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for !If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help.NamasteAlways anuj: Gaurav JainIn a message dated 4/18/2007 1:38:12 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes:Namaste Sri GauravThat the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read againwhat I have written before.All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive forthe wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used inJyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treatedstones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, donot become radioactive for the wearer of the gem.As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab Ihave come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more.As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of theSwiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one withoutheat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated.Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as"Padparadscha". They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbadhas started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still nocollective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of RichardWise.Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti beso resourceful in astrology :)I hope you now know what I really said.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote:>>> Aum Durgayai Namah>> Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,>> varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities> of> Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem>> Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely> found> to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro> Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York.>> Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported> into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are> found on> any or all commercial invoices.>> Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest> Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole> story close> up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses.>> Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the "indian" gem> labs,> including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private> company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like> the women> who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my> french,> but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences)>> Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a> Padparascha> Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it> certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone> for> color. (H(a)) technical grading.>> I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it> certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading,> and> personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them> and they will> "take care" of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our "word">> is the most valuable commodity.>> Anyways, You are elder and know better.>> Love;> Gaurav>> In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time,>> astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:>> Namaste Sri Gaurav>> You mentioned> " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is> made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. ">> Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is> no> evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is> perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons.>> Thanks and Regards> Bharat>> On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> <> yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote:> >> >> > Aum Durgayai Namah> >> > Dear Vinhuat,> >> > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to> > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had> written> > a> > while ago.> >> > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu.> > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African> > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally> > very clear> > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and> > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions.> >> > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have> > little honey color overtone.> >> > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are> > internally flawless.> >> > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The> > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The> gem> > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are> > polished on both sides and display the "eye" effect both sides, these> are> > highly> > valued.> >> > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger.> >> > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of> reflected> > light which travels or floats on the surface of the> > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very> important> > that this "cat's eye" be very bright, completely straight and sharp.> >> > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated> > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the "eye"for that moment) and in> > very rare cases thru irradiation.> >> > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do> > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with> > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is> > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive.> >> > Hope this was of value to the readers'> > Gaurav Jain> >> > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time,> >> > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg>> writes:> >> > Dear Manoj Sharma,> > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my> > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire> > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light> > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any> > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it.> > All this while I was> > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my> > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post> > my query.> >> > Regards> >> > Vincent> >> > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>,> > manoj sharma> > <swastik_astro wrote:> > >> > > JAI MAA> > >> > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT> > >> > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY> > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY> > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A> > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 /> > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT.> > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY)> > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON> > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET,> > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE.> > >> > > THANKS> > >> > > MANOJ SHARMA> > >> > >> > >> > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote:> > > the gem for rahu is gomeda.> > >> > > manoj sharma> > >> > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote:> > > Dear sir,> > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu?> > > Tks> > > Vincent> > >> > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>> <vedic astrology%40>,> > manoj sharma> > > <swastik_astro@> wrote:> > > >> > > > DEAR SIR> > > >> > > >> > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY> > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER> > LOOKING> > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS> > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD> > > BIRHT & MANY MORE.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote:> > > > Learned astrologer,> > > >> > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have> > > not> > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum.> > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem.> > > >> > > > Tks> > > > Vincent> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> > > http://uk.messenger.> > > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > >> > >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends> > http://uk.messenger.> > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends> > http://uk.messenger.> > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > >> >> > Archives: vedic astrology> >> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-<vedic astrology-%40>> <vedic astrology-%40>> >> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, "All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive forthe wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used inJyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treatedstones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, donot become radioactive for the wearer of the gem." That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being "cooled" and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a "cooling-off" process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. On another note, If I can with all due respect offer a correction in your understanding:- Irradiation and diffusion are entirely different and separate process of enhancement to a gemstone, please do not confuse or mix-up the two. Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). Lattice or bulk or surface diffusion is one where an external agent( coloring agent like titanium, iron, chromium) is introduced to a gem with little or no color and as the gem is "heated" to "near" its melting point, the lattice of the crystal structure expands. I say near melting point cause this keeps the crystal structure from breaking apart, and still expand enough for the outside agent to permeate/penetrate into the gem. Now, in cases of external agents as mentioned above, the material is still not able to penetrate completely into the gem and therefore forms a thin layer of color all around the gem, essentially coloring the gem to a thin 0.4-0.5mm layer, and as a result chipping or setting, re-polishing can expose the gem colorless in parts. Be diffusion or deep Diffusion is one where this specific agent; beryllium, is able to permeate deep within the lattice crystal of the gem (primarily most Yellow Sapphires, orange sapphires on the commercial market) and is not limited to the thin layer surrounding the gem. Further, a very important point is that in this Be case, traces of its presence ( in inactive dormant form) are also found within sapphires particularly being mined in illakaka (Madagascar), and simple heating at near melting points activates that color ingredient to shine out giving more color to the stone. Therefore, even outside-in Be diffusion is attempted to be justified by the industry because the element is sometimes present in the stone already and inherently. The argument being that the coloring element was already present in the stone by mother nature. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheated one, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/18/2007 1:38:12 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri GauravThat the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read againwhat I have written before.All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive forthe wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used inJyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treatedstones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, donot become radioactive for the wearer of the gem.As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab Ihave come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more.As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of theSwiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one withoutheat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated.Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as"Padparadscha". They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbadhas started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still nocollective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of RichardWise.Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti beso resourceful in astrology :)I hope you now know what I really said.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote:>>> Aum Durgayai Namah>> Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,>> varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities> of> Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem>> Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely> found> to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro> Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York.>> Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported> into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are> found on> any or all commercial invoices.>> Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest> Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole> story close> up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses.>> Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the "indian" gem> labs,> including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private> company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like> the women> who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my> french,> but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences)>> Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a> Padparascha> Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it> certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone> for> color. (H(a)) technical grading.>> I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it> certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading,> and> personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them> and they will> "take care" of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our "word">> is the most valuable commodity.>> Anyways, You are elder and know better.>> Love;> Gaurav>> In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time,>> astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:>> Namaste Sri Gaurav>> You mentioned> " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is> made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. ">> Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is> no> evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is> perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons.>> Thanks and Regards> Bharat>> On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> <> yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote:> >> >> > Aum Durgayai Namah> >> > Dear Vinhuat,> >> > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to> > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had> written> > a> > while ago.> >> > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu.> > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African> > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally> > very clear> > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and> > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions.> >> > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have> > little honey color overtone.> >> > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are> > internally flawless.> >> > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The> > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The> gem> > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are> > polished on both sides and display the "eye" effect both sides, these> are> > highly> > valued.> >> > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger.> >> > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of> reflected> > light which travels or floats on the surface of the> > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very> important> > that this "cat's eye" be very bright, completely straight and sharp.> >> > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated> > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the "eye"for that moment) and in> > very rare cases thru irradiation.> >> > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do> > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with> > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is> > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive.> >> > Hope this was of value to the readers'> > Gaurav Jain> >> > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time,> >> > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg>> writes:> >> > Dear Manoj Sharma,> > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my> > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire> > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light> > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any> > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it.> > All this while I was> > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my> > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post> > my query.> >> > Regards> >> > Vincent> >> > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>,> > manoj sharma> > <swastik_astro wrote:> > >> > > JAI MAA> > >> > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT> > >> > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY> > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY> > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A> > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 /> > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT.> > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY)> > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON> > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET,> > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE.> > >> > > THANKS> > >> > > MANOJ SHARMA> > >> > >> > >> > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote:> > > the gem for rahu is gomeda.> > >> > > manoj sharma> > >> > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote:> > > Dear sir,> > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu?> > > Tks> > > Vincent> > >> > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>> <vedic astrology%40>,> > manoj sharma> > > <swastik_astro@> wrote:> > > >> > > > DEAR SIR> > > >> > > >> > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY> > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER> > LOOKING> > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS> > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD> > > BIRHT & MANY MORE.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote:> > > > Learned astrologer,> > > >> > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have> > > not> > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum.> > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem.> > > >> > > > Tks> > > > Vincent> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> > > http://uk.messenger.> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Dear Bharat Bhaiya, "Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). " Apologies for the typo, and it is to be read as but any corundum, meaning all corundum is subject to enhancement in today's commercial market. Gaurav In a message dated 4/18/2007 9:47:14 P.M. India Standard Time, yobrevol writes: Aum Durgayai NamahNamaste Bharat Bhaiya,"All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive forthe wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used inJyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treatedstones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, donot become radioactive for the wearer of the gem."That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being "cooled" and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a "cooling-off" process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. On another note, If I can with all due respect offer a correction in your understanding:-Irradiation and diffusion are entirely different and separate process of enhancement to a gemstone, please do not confuse or mix-up the two. Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). Lattice or bulk or surface diffusion is one where an external agent( coloring agent like titanium, iron, chromium) is introduced to a gem with little or no color and as the gem is "heated" to "near" its melting point, the lattice of the crystal structure expands. I say near melting point cause this keeps the crystal structure from breaking apart, and still expand enough for the outside agent to permeate/penetrate into the gem. Now, in cases of external agents as mentioned above, the material is still not able to penetrate completely into the gem and therefore forms a thin layer of color all around the gem, essentially coloring the gem to a thin 0.4-0.5mm layer, and as a result chipping or setting, re-polishing can expose the gem colorless in parts. Be diffusion or deep Diffusion is one where this specific agent; beryllium, is able to permeate deep within the lattice crystal of the gem (primarily most Yellow Sapphires, orange sapphires on the commercial market) and is not limited to the thin layer surrounding the gem. Further, a very important point is that in this Be case, traces of its presence ( in inactive dormant form) are also found within sapphires particularly being mined in illakaka (Madagascar), and simple heating at near melting points activates that color ingredient to shine out giving more color to the stone. Therefore, even outside-in Be diffusion is attempted to be justified by the industry because the element is sometimes present in the stone already and inherently. The argument being that the coloring element was already present in the stone by mother nature.Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol :)On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheated one, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for !If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help.NamasteAlways anuj: Gaurav JainIn a message dated 4/18/2007 1:38:12 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes:Namaste Sri GauravThat the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read againwhat I have written before.All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive forthe wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used inJyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treatedstones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, donot become radioactive for the wearer of the gem.As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab Ihave come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more.As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of theSwiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one withoutheat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated.Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as"Padparadscha". They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbadhas started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still nocollective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of RichardWise.Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti beso resourceful in astrology :)I hope you now know what I really said.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote:>>> Aum Durgayai Namah>> Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,>> varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities> of> Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem>> Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely> found> to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro> Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York.>> Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported> into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are> found on> any or all commercial invoices.>> Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest> Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole> story close> up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses.>> Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the "indian" gem> labs,> including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private> company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like> the women> who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my> french,> but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences)>> Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a> Padparascha> Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it> certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone> for> color. (H(a)) technical grading.>> I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it> certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading,> and> personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them> and they will> "take care" of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our "word">> is the most valuable commodity.>> Anyways, You are elder and know better.>> Love;> Gaurav>> In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time,>> astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:>> Namaste Sri Gaurav>> You mentioned> " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is> made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. ">> Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is> no> evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is> perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons.>> Thanks and Regards> Bharat>> On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> <> yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote:> >> >> > Aum Durgayai Namah> >> > Dear Vinhuat,> >> > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to> > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had> written> > a> > while ago.> >> > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu.> > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African> > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally> > very clear> > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and> > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions.> >> > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have> > little honey color overtone.> >> > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are> > internally flawless.> >> > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The> > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The> gem> > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are> > polished on both sides and display the "eye" effect both sides, these> are> > highly> > valued.> >> > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger.> >> > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of> reflected> > light which travels or floats on the surface of the> > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very> important> > that this "cat's eye" be very bright, completely straight and sharp.> >> > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated> > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the "eye"for that moment) and in> > very rare cases thru irradiation.> >> > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do> > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with> > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is> > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive.> >> > Hope this was of value to the readers'> > Gaurav Jain> >> > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time,> >> > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg>> writes:> >> > Dear Manoj Sharma,> > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my> > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire> > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light> > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any> > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it.> > All this while I was> > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my> > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post> > my query.> >> > Regards> >> > Vincent> >> > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>,> > manoj sharma> > <swastik_astro wrote:> > >> > > JAI MAA> > >> > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT> > >> > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY> > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY> > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A> > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 /> > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT.> > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY)> > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON> > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET,> > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE.> > >> > > THANKS> > >> > > MANOJ SHARMA> > >> > >> > >> > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote:> > > the gem for rahu is gomeda.> > >> > > manoj sharma> > >> > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote:> > > Dear sir,> > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu?> > > Tks> > > Vincent> > >> > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>> <vedic astrology%40>,> > manoj sharma> > > <swastik_astro@> wrote:> > > >> > > > DEAR SIR> > > >> > > >> > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY> > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER> > LOOKING> > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS> > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD> > > BIRHT & MANY MORE.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote:> > > > Learned astrologer,> > > >> > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that diffusion is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural complacencies now. "We don't choose gems, they choose us". So you are lucky to have nice ones, in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly point out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water springs. Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because of surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since you stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering where you stand on these? Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri GauravResponses below in blue. That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being "cooled" and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a "cooling-off" process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It is also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the limit prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could be created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 nCi/g. The radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit after 15 months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the difference between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming across a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for !If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other things did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 carats Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. It was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat Pidgeon blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this is the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using it. I shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural and Amethyst is heated to create the color green. However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go by the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this scientifically too. More later.Thanks and RegardsBharat NamasteAlways anuj: Gaurav Jain __ See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Namaste Sri Gaurav Responses below in blue. That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact > bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and > as a > result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical > anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, > electrons, or > gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active > material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the > radiation > procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold > every > day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about > cases > that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz > and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a > gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe > to wear > the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when > goods > are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped > altogether, then we have a problem. > This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It is also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the limit prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. > > Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by > introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on > the > stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron > accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used > are the > types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power > > (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the > > electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about > 50,000cts per > day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous > energy > means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. > Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly > > darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to > achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage > over the > gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short > period > of time. > In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems > radio > active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, > before > they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and > polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem > cutters > ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the > consumer. > Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could be created by neutron irradiation, only four (46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 nCi/g. The radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit after 15 months and that of 54Mn could remain above this limit for several years Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems > > and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some > money, which is the tough part. lol > There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the difference between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming across a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour > > of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by > Ralph > Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! > If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am > > sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are > mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. > One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other things did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 carats Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. It was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat Pidgeon blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this is the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using it. I shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural and Amethyst is heated to create the color green. However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go by the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this scientifically too. More later. Thanks and Regards Bharat Namaste > Always anuj: Gaurav Jain > > > > > > __ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that diffusion is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural complacencies now. "We don't choose gems, they choose us". So you are lucky to have nice ones, in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly point out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water springs. Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because of surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since you stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering where you stand on these? Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri GauravResponses below in blue. That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being "cooled" and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a "cooling-off" process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It is also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the limit prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could be created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 nCi/g. The radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit after 15 months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the difference between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming across a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for !If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other things did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 carats Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. It was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat Pidgeon blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this is the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using it. I shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural and Amethyst is heated to create the color green. However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go by the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this scientifically too. More later.Thanks and RegardsBharat NamasteAlways anuj: Gaurav Jain __ See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Namaste Sri GauravPads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my posts on the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can be prescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially. Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whom both grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha. Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Synthetics would work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their natural frequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in this manner: 1. Gemstone that is natural.2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heatI do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that the Gemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG as closely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too much in a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I would rather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used by one of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to prana pratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem. He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came out and he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determine which gemstone suits us. I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannot comment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones for Jyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that they bring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and not on viveka. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 4/19/07, yobrevol <yobrevol > wrote: Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that diffusion is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural complacencies now. " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice ones, in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly point out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water springs. Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because of surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since you stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering where you stand on these? Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav Responses below in blue. That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It is also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the limit prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could be created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 nCi/g. The radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit after 15 months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the difference between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming across a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other things did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 carats Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. It was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat Pidgeon blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this is the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using it. I shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural and Amethyst is heated to create the color green. However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go by the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this scientifically too. More later. Thanks and Regards Bharat Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain __ ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Pads, simply by the color theory, we can conclude that would work for a combined effect of sun and jupiter. Might have to test this myself sometime. As for the use of synthetics. I am of opinion that all those stones (does not matter what color or composition they are) are a work of Rahu. It is Rahu who creates an illusion, a maya, a look-a-like, deception. That's what those are, in my personal view. Specifically talking about a CZ, which is an illusion being sold to those who can not afford the ultimate is rajas:- venus, i.e. a diamond. This is also Rahu. You may have had success with your prescription, but then we get into a whole new set of arguments there, one being after doing prana prathista, do we really need any gem anyways? we can just pick up a pebble of the street and do puja and prana prathista on that and wear it..certainly its about bhavana and not aadambar that the deity desires in our soul, right? I want to stay away from this, as there is no end in sight here. However, I am always keen to know the effects, even placebo ones, cause our goal is to better the lives of people thru our efforts and if it does not work, then we have failed, and if it works thru a pebble, then somewhere we have succeeded. On the nimittas, I could not agree more on you. My guru has also instilled in me, and personal expereince has taught the same, that the "sattwa" in a gem attracts like anything, and a good gem therefore starts working "for you" even before you have installed it on your body, or done any puja etc..This is probably the most important thing to look for when buying a gem for jyotish purposes. It also makes this whole thing more practical and real for general public, in that if it shows positive results one should move forward else its a story told but for the wrong one at the wrong moment in time. Our jyotish actions, make it be readings or gems, MUST GIVE REAL RESULTS! Your anuj; Gaurav BTW: do you already have starbucks in delhi yet? In a message dated 4/19/2007 12:48:10 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri GauravPads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my postson the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can beprescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially.Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whomboth grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha.Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Syntheticswould work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their naturalfrequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in thismanner:1. Gemstone that is natural.2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heatI do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that theGemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG asclosely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too muchin a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I wouldrather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used byone of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to pranapratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem.He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came outand he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determinewhich gemstone suits us.I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannotcomment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones forJyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that theybring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and noton viveka.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 4/19/07, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote:>>> Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,>> Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that> diffusion> is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural> complacencies now.>> "We don't choose gems, they choose us". So you are lucky to have nice> ones,> in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads?>> The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly> point> out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water> springs.>> Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because> of> surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since> you> stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering>> where you stand on these?>> Namaste> Gaurav>> In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time,>> astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:>> Namaste Sri Gaurav>> Responses below in blue.>> That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact>> bought to market before being "cooled" and therefore was still active and> as> a> result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical> anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons,> electrons,> or> gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active> material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the> radiation> procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold> every> day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about> cases> that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz> and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a> gemstone goes thru a "cooling-off" process, and this is what makes it safe>> to wear> the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when> goods> are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped> altogether, then we have a problem.>> This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In> fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It> is> also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the> limit> prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption.>> Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by> introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on> the> stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron> accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used> are> the> types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power>> (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the>> electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about> 50,000cts> per> day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous> energy> means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone.> Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly>> darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to> achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage> over the> gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short> period> of time.> In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems> radio> active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period,> before> they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and> polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem> cutters> ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the> consumer.>> Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could> be> created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe)> would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the> internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2> nCi/g. The> radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit> after 15> months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years>> Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the> gems> and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some> money, which is the tough part. lol >> There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an> article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the> difference> between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming> across> a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head.>> Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big> spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough.>> On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything> else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an> unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had> the honour>>>>> of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by> Ralph> Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for !> If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am>> sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are> mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help.>> One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless>> one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other> things> did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6> carats> Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin.> It> was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat> Pidgeon> blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw.>> In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some> other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this> is> the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using> it. I> shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural> and> Amethyst is heated to create the color green.>> However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go> by> the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural> vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this> scientifically too.>> More later.>> Thanks and Regards> Bharat>> Namaste> Always anuj: Gaurav Jain>> __>> ************************************** See what's free at> http://www.aol.com.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Namaste Sri GauravPads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my posts on the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can be prescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially. Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whom both grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha. Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Synthetics would work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their natural frequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in this manner: 1. Gemstone that is natural.2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heatI do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that the Gemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG as closely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too much in a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I would rather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used by one of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to prana pratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem. He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came out and he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determine which gemstone suits us. I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannot comment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones for Jyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that they bring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and not on viveka. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 4/19/07, yobrevol <yobrevol > wrote: Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that diffusion is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural complacencies now. " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice ones, in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly point out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water springs. Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because of surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since you stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering where you stand on these? Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav Responses below in blue. That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It is also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the limit prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could be created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 nCi/g. The radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit after 15 months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the difference between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming across a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other things did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 carats Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. It was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat Pidgeon blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this is the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using it. I shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural and Amethyst is heated to create the color green. However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go by the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this scientifically too. More later. Thanks and Regards Bharat Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain __ ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bharat and Gaurav, Namaste The natural radioactive gemstone is Heliodor – from the same family as Beryl but is to be found together with Aquamarine. I’ve seen some jyotishas recommending this as a substitute for Yellow Sapphire. That’s like wearing a piece of carcinogen but really, what is the difference between Heliodor and Mercury then when both are known to act like Gulika? I agree that for certification of heat treated material those guys at G get the thumbs up, but then GIA does not do this. However, for those in the know, magnifying it to about 80x or more you’ll see the ripples cause by heating. The can also identify exactly where the material has come from. Bharat, if you are experienced enough in handling gems by the kilos per day, you will also know from where they’ve come from. Bharat: The methodology of Irradiation is different from colour diffusion. Most irradiations take about 3 years in the chamber. But what is the point you are trying to make? As for Padparascha, it’s been known in the industry for eons. It’s not new, it is also described in the Garuda Purana. Do read up on it. Gaurav: Honey coloured cat’s eye is desired by the industry but not necessarily in jyotish this is because Ketu (and Rahu) will take on the energy of the lord of the sign they are in. Love, Swee <yobrevol Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:10:26 -0400 (EDT) <sohamsa >, [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: [vedic astrology] Re: catseye Dear Bharat Bhaiya, " Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). " Apologies for the typo, and it is to be read as but any corundum, meaning all corundum is subject to enhancement in today's commercial market. Gaurav In a message dated 4/18/2007 9:47:14 P.M. India Standard Time, yobrevol writes: Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, " All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. " That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. On another note, If I can with all due respect offer a correction in your understanding:- Irradiation and diffusion are entirely different and separate process of enhancement to a gemstone, please do not confuse or mix-up the two. Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). Lattice or bulk or surface diffusion is one where an external agent( coloring agent like titanium, iron, chromium) is introduced to a gem with little or no color and as the gem is " heated " to " near " its melting point, the lattice of the crystal structure expands. I say near melting point cause this keeps the crystal structure from breaking apart, and still expand enough for the outside agent to permeate/penetrate into the gem. Now, in cases of external agents as mentioned above, the material is still not able to penetrate completely into the gem and therefore forms a thin layer of color all around the gem, essentially coloring the gem to a thin 0.4-0.5mm layer, and as a result chipping or setting, re-polishing can expose the gem colorless in parts. Be diffusion or deep Diffusion is one where this specific agent; beryllium, is able to permeate deep within the lattice crystal of the gem (primarily most Yellow Sapphires, orange sapphires on the commercial market) and is not limited to the thin layer surrounding the gem. Further, a very important point is that in this Be case, traces of its presence ( in inactive dormant form) are also found within sapphires particularly being mined in illakaka (Madagascar), and simple heating at near melting points activates that color ingredient to shine out giving more color to the stone. Therefore, even outside-in Be diffusion is attempted to be justified by the industry because the element is sometimes present in the stone already and inherently. The argument being that the coloring element was already present in the stone by mother nature. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheated one, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/18/2007 1:38:12 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav That the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read again what I have written before. All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab I have come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more. As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of the Swiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one without heat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated. Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as " Padparadscha " . They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbad has started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still no collective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of Richard Wise. Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti be so resourceful in astrology I hope you now know what I really said. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities > of > Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem > > Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely > found > to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro > Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York. > > Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported > into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are > found on > any or all commercial invoices. > > Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest > Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole > story close > up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses. > > Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the " indian " gem > labs, > including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private > company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like > the women > who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my > french, > but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences) > > Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a > Padparascha > Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it > certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone > for > color. (H(a)) technical grading. > > I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it > certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading, > and > personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them > and they will > " take care " of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our " word " > > is the most valuable commodity. > > Anyways, You are elder and know better. > > Love; > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > You mentioned > " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. " > > Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is > no > evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is > perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> < > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Dear Vinhuat, > > > > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to > > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had > written > > a > > while ago. > > > > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. > > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African > > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally > > very clear > > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and > > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. > > > > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have > > little honey color overtone. > > > > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are > > internally flawless. > > > > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The > > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The > gem > > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are > > polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these > are > > highly > > valued. > > > > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. > > > > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of > reflected > > light which travels or floats on the surface of the > > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very > important > > that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. > > > > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated > > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in > > very rare cases thru irradiation. > > > > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do > > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with > > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. > > > > Hope this was of value to the readers' > > Gaurav Jain > > > > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg> > writes: > > > > Dear Manoj Sharma, > > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my > > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire > > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light > > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any > > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. > > All this while I was > > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my > > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post > > my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Vincent > > > > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > > > JAI MAA > > > > > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > > > > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY > > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY > > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A > > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / > > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. > > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) > > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON > > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, > > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > > > > > manoj sharma > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > > Dear sir, > > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > > > Tks > > > Vincent > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER > > LOOKING > > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > > > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > > > Learned astrologer, > > > > > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > > > not > > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > > > > > Tks > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bharat and Gaurav, Namaste The natural radioactive gemstone is Heliodor – from the same family as Beryl but is to be found together with Aquamarine. I’ve seen some jyotishas recommending this as a substitute for Yellow Sapphire. That’s like wearing a piece of carcinogen but really, what is the difference between Heliodor and Mercury then when both are known to act like Gulika? I agree that for certification of heat treated material those guys at G get the thumbs up, but then GIA does not do this. However, for those in the know, magnifying it to about 80x or more you’ll see the ripples cause by heating. The can also identify exactly where the material has come from. Bharat, if you are experienced enough in handling gems by the kilos per day, you will also know from where they’ve come from. Bharat: The methodology of Irradiation is different from colour diffusion. Most irradiations take about 3 years in the chamber. But what is the point you are trying to make? As for Padparascha, it’s been known in the industry for eons. It’s not new, it is also described in the Garuda Purana. Do read up on it. Gaurav: Honey coloured cat’s eye is desired by the industry but not necessarily in jyotish this is because Ketu (and Rahu) will take on the energy of the lord of the sign they are in. Love, Swee <yobrevol Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:10:26 -0400 (EDT) <sohamsa >, [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: [vedic astrology] Re: catseye Dear Bharat Bhaiya, " Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). " Apologies for the typo, and it is to be read as but any corundum, meaning all corundum is subject to enhancement in today's commercial market. Gaurav In a message dated 4/18/2007 9:47:14 P.M. India Standard Time, yobrevol writes: Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, " All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. " That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. On another note, If I can with all due respect offer a correction in your understanding:- Irradiation and diffusion are entirely different and separate process of enhancement to a gemstone, please do not confuse or mix-up the two. Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). Lattice or bulk or surface diffusion is one where an external agent( coloring agent like titanium, iron, chromium) is introduced to a gem with little or no color and as the gem is " heated " to " near " its melting point, the lattice of the crystal structure expands. I say near melting point cause this keeps the crystal structure from breaking apart, and still expand enough for the outside agent to permeate/penetrate into the gem. Now, in cases of external agents as mentioned above, the material is still not able to penetrate completely into the gem and therefore forms a thin layer of color all around the gem, essentially coloring the gem to a thin 0.4-0.5mm layer, and as a result chipping or setting, re-polishing can expose the gem colorless in parts. Be diffusion or deep Diffusion is one where this specific agent; beryllium, is able to permeate deep within the lattice crystal of the gem (primarily most Yellow Sapphires, orange sapphires on the commercial market) and is not limited to the thin layer surrounding the gem. Further, a very important point is that in this Be case, traces of its presence ( in inactive dormant form) are also found within sapphires particularly being mined in illakaka (Madagascar), and simple heating at near melting points activates that color ingredient to shine out giving more color to the stone. Therefore, even outside-in Be diffusion is attempted to be justified by the industry because the element is sometimes present in the stone already and inherently. The argument being that the coloring element was already present in the stone by mother nature. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheated one, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/18/2007 1:38:12 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav That the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read again what I have written before. All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab I have come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more. As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of the Swiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one without heat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated. Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as " Padparadscha " . They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbad has started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still no collective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of Richard Wise. Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti be so resourceful in astrology I hope you now know what I really said. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities > of > Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem > > Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely > found > to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro > Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York. > > Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported > into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are > found on > any or all commercial invoices. > > Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest > Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole > story close > up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses. > > Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the " indian " gem > labs, > including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private > company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like > the women > who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my > french, > but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences) > > Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a > Padparascha > Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it > certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone > for > color. (H(a)) technical grading. > > I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it > certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading, > and > personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them > and they will > " take care " of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our " word " > > is the most valuable commodity. > > Anyways, You are elder and know better. > > Love; > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > You mentioned > " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. " > > Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is > no > evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is > perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> < > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Dear Vinhuat, > > > > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to > > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had > written > > a > > while ago. > > > > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. > > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African > > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally > > very clear > > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and > > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. > > > > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have > > little honey color overtone. > > > > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are > > internally flawless. > > > > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The > > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The > gem > > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are > > polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these > are > > highly > > valued. > > > > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. > > > > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of > reflected > > light which travels or floats on the surface of the > > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very > important > > that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. > > > > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated > > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in > > very rare cases thru irradiation. > > > > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do > > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with > > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. > > > > Hope this was of value to the readers' > > Gaurav Jain > > > > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg> > writes: > > > > Dear Manoj Sharma, > > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my > > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire > > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light > > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any > > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. > > All this while I was > > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my > > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post > > my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Vincent > > > > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > > > JAI MAA > > > > > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > > > > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY > > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY > > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A > > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / > > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. > > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) > > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON > > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, > > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > > > > > manoj sharma > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > > Dear sir, > > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > > > Tks > > > Vincent > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER > > LOOKING > > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > > > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > > > Learned astrologer, > > > > > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > > > not > > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > > > > > Tks > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Namaste Sri GauravIllusions/Maya/GrahaThe word Graha means to seize and to make us believe what we are not. Only the role of Sun here is different (can be discussed later) Maya has three fold qualities: 1. Time: Rahu-Ketu2. Space: Jupiter3. Causation: SaturnUpon this external illusion, the mind (Moon) starts to believe in the senses and its fulfillment. The intelligence (Mercury) under this illusion begins to make self judgments of being mortal, etc and so on and so forth. So do not take Rahu only for the illusion. SyntheticsYou are aware many synthetics are sold as such without any deception. Chatham is a good example. Their idea is to make the gemstone affordable, while maintaining its properties as much as possible. Deception and illusion are not always the criteria. I am open to the possibility. Neither against Nor for. I might turn against if research into these proves otherwise. I am waiting for some special apparatus of testing them is built. I have spoken to an IIT professor on this, let us see if I make any headway. Irradiated and Be-TreatedCould have Rahu's effects. I am not sure. Never tested. But given this logic, should one use this instead of Gomedh? Your AssumptionI did not prescribe the cubic zirconia. If you believe so, you are making a mistake. However, a client of mine was wearing one and was very happy about it. He did get something akin to pran pratistha to activate the cubic zirconia. Assumptions can cause problems. You assumed here like I did in the irradiated and Be-treatment discussion. Everything is EnergyEven a pebble on the road has energy. How that effects you is not known. Gemstones are known to have major effects and that is why we use them. Let me share some experience here - whenever you have river pebbles (round without sharp corners), you would have a gentle and loving environment. If you have sharp ones, they will tend to create sharp arrows of wrong energy. Energy is in every particle, but some destructive some constructive, some known and some unknown. The known percentage is 0.0000000000000000001 to the unknown. We can at least be humble in front of such a colossal possibility. Do we have to decide everything - black or white right now?Do read my post on Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas too. I was the first person in India to write a thesis on Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas and its usage in Management principles. Based on which, a Ph.d student from a University in Britain requested me to be her guide. We have effectively used it as a recruitment policy across many companies, both ours and others. I request everyone to understand this from a Traditional Guru of Vedanta. This is a much deeper subject than one thinks. Knowledge comes from seeking it. Experience may or may not verify the knowledge. I use both and share whatever little I have with you guys. A better sharing is possible, if an open mind is kept. Thanks and Regards BharatOn 19 Apr 2007 09:00:48 -0700, yobrevol < yobrevol wrote: Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Pads, simply by the color theory, we can conclude that would work for a combined effect of sun and jupiter. Might have to test this myself sometime. As for the use of synthetics. I am of opinion that all those stones (does not matter what color or composition they are) are a work of Rahu. It is Rahu who creates an illusion, a maya, a look-a-like, deception. That's what those are, in my personal view. Specifically talking about a CZ, which is an illusion being sold to those who can not afford the ultimate is rajas:- venus, i.e. a diamond. This is also Rahu. You may have had success with your prescription, but then we get into a whole new set of arguments there, one being after doing prana prathista, do we really need any gem anyways? we can just pick up a pebble of the street and do puja and prana prathista on that and wear it..certainly its about bhavana and not aadambar that the deity desires in our soul, right? I want to stay away from this, as there is no end in sight here. However, I am always keen to know the effects, even placebo ones, cause our goal is to better the lives of people thru our efforts and if it does not work, then we have failed, and if it works thru a pebble, then somewhere we have succeeded. On the nimittas, I could not agree more on you. My guru has also instilled in me, and personal expereince has taught the same, that the " sattwa " in a gem attracts like anything, and a good gem therefore starts working " for you " even before you have installed it on your body, or done any puja etc..This is probably the most important thing to look for when buying a gem for jyotish purposes. It also makes this whole thing more practical and real for general public, in that if it shows positive results one should move forward else its a story told but for the wrong one at the wrong moment in time. Our jyotish actions, make it be readings or gems, MUST GIVE REAL RESULTS! Your anuj; Gaurav BTW: do you already have starbucks in delhi yet? In a message dated 4/19/2007 12:48:10 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav Pads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my posts on the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can be prescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially. Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whom both grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha. Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Synthetics would work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their natural frequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in this manner: 1. Gemstone that is natural. 2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heat I do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that the Gemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG as closely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too much in a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I would rather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used by one of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to prana pratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem. He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came out and he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determine which gemstone suits us. I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannot comment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones for Jyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that they bring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and not on viveka. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 4/19/07, yobrevol < yobrevol wrote: > > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that > diffusion > is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural > complacencies now. > > " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice > ones, > in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? > > The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly > point > out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water > springs. > > Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because > of > surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since > you > stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering > > where you stand on these? > > Namaste > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu% 40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > Responses below in blue. > > That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact > > bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and > as > a > result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical > anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, > electrons, > or > gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active > material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the > radiation > procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold > every > day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about > cases > that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz > and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a > gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe > > to wear > the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when > goods > are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped > altogether, then we have a problem. > > This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In > fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It > is > also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the > limit > prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. > > Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by > introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on > the > stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron > accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used > are > the > types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power > > (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the > > electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about > 50,000cts > per > day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous > energy > means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. > Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly > > darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to > achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage > over the > gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short > period > of time. > In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems > radio > active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, > before > they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and > polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem > cutters > ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the > consumer. > > Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could > be > created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) > would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the > internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 > nCi/g. The > radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit > after 15 > months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years > > Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the > gems > and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some > money, which is the tough part. lol > > There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an > article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the > difference > between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming > across > a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. > > Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big > spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. > > On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything > else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an > unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had > the honour > > > > > of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by > Ralph > Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! > If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am > > sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are > mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. > > One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless > > one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other > things > did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 > carats > Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. > It > was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat > Pidgeon > blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. > > In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some > other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this > is > the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using > it. I > shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural > and > Amethyst is heated to create the color green. > > However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go > by > the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural > vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this > scientifically too. > > More later. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > Namaste > Always anuj: Gaurav Jain > > __ > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Namaste Sri GauravIllusions/Maya/GrahaThe word Graha means to seize and to make us believe what we are not. Only the role of Sun here is different (can be discussed later) Maya has three fold qualities: 1. Time: Rahu-Ketu2. Space: Jupiter3. Causation: SaturnUpon this external illusion, the mind (Moon) starts to believe in the senses and its fulfillment. The intelligence (Mercury) under this illusion begins to make self judgments of being mortal, etc and so on and so forth. So do not take Rahu only for the illusion. SyntheticsYou are aware many synthetics are sold as such without any deception. Chatham is a good example. Their idea is to make the gemstone affordable, while maintaining its properties as much as possible. Deception and illusion are not always the criteria. I am open to the possibility. Neither against Nor for. I might turn against if research into these proves otherwise. I am waiting for some special apparatus of testing them is built. I have spoken to an IIT professor on this, let us see if I make any headway. Irradiated and Be-TreatedCould have Rahu's effects. I am not sure. Never tested. But given this logic, should one use this instead of Gomedh? Your AssumptionI did not prescribe the cubic zirconia. If you believe so, you are making a mistake. However, a client of mine was wearing one and was very happy about it. He did get something akin to pran pratistha to activate the cubic zirconia. Assumptions can cause problems. You assumed here like I did in the irradiated and Be-treatment discussion. Everything is EnergyEven a pebble on the road has energy. How that effects you is not known. Gemstones are known to have major effects and that is why we use them. Let me share some experience here - whenever you have river pebbles (round without sharp corners), you would have a gentle and loving environment. If you have sharp ones, they will tend to create sharp arrows of wrong energy. Energy is in every particle, but some destructive some constructive, some known and some unknown. The known percentage is 0.0000000000000000001 to the unknown. We can at least be humble in front of such a colossal possibility. Do we have to decide everything - black or white right now?Do read my post on Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas too. I was the first person in India to write a thesis on Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas and its usage in Management principles. Based on which, a Ph.d student from a University in Britain requested me to be her guide. We have effectively used it as a recruitment policy across many companies, both ours and others. I request everyone to understand this from a Traditional Guru of Vedanta. This is a much deeper subject than one thinks. Knowledge comes from seeking it. Experience may or may not verify the knowledge. I use both and share whatever little I have with you guys. A better sharing is possible, if an open mind is kept. Thanks and Regards BharatOn 19 Apr 2007 09:00:48 -0700, yobrevol < yobrevol wrote: Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Pads, simply by the color theory, we can conclude that would work for a combined effect of sun and jupiter. Might have to test this myself sometime. As for the use of synthetics. I am of opinion that all those stones (does not matter what color or composition they are) are a work of Rahu. It is Rahu who creates an illusion, a maya, a look-a-like, deception. That's what those are, in my personal view. Specifically talking about a CZ, which is an illusion being sold to those who can not afford the ultimate is rajas:- venus, i.e. a diamond. This is also Rahu. You may have had success with your prescription, but then we get into a whole new set of arguments there, one being after doing prana prathista, do we really need any gem anyways? we can just pick up a pebble of the street and do puja and prana prathista on that and wear it..certainly its about bhavana and not aadambar that the deity desires in our soul, right? I want to stay away from this, as there is no end in sight here. However, I am always keen to know the effects, even placebo ones, cause our goal is to better the lives of people thru our efforts and if it does not work, then we have failed, and if it works thru a pebble, then somewhere we have succeeded. On the nimittas, I could not agree more on you. My guru has also instilled in me, and personal expereince has taught the same, that the " sattwa " in a gem attracts like anything, and a good gem therefore starts working " for you " even before you have installed it on your body, or done any puja etc..This is probably the most important thing to look for when buying a gem for jyotish purposes. It also makes this whole thing more practical and real for general public, in that if it shows positive results one should move forward else its a story told but for the wrong one at the wrong moment in time. Our jyotish actions, make it be readings or gems, MUST GIVE REAL RESULTS! Your anuj; Gaurav BTW: do you already have starbucks in delhi yet? In a message dated 4/19/2007 12:48:10 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav Pads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my posts on the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can be prescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially. Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whom both grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha. Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Synthetics would work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their natural frequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in this manner: 1. Gemstone that is natural. 2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heat I do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that the Gemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG as closely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too much in a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I would rather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used by one of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to prana pratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem. He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came out and he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determine which gemstone suits us. I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannot comment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones for Jyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that they bring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and not on viveka. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 4/19/07, yobrevol < yobrevol wrote: > > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that > diffusion > is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural > complacencies now. > > " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice > ones, > in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? > > The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly > point > out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water > springs. > > Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because > of > surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since > you > stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering > > where you stand on these? > > Namaste > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu% 40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > Responses below in blue. > > That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact > > bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and > as > a > result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical > anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, > electrons, > or > gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active > material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the > radiation > procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold > every > day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about > cases > that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz > and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a > gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe > > to wear > the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when > goods > are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped > altogether, then we have a problem. > > This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In > fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It > is > also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the > limit > prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. > > Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by > introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on > the > stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron > accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used > are > the > types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power > > (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the > > electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about > 50,000cts > per > day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous > energy > means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. > Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly > > darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to > achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage > over the > gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short > period > of time. > In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems > radio > active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, > before > they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and > polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem > cutters > ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the > consumer. > > Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could > be > created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) > would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the > internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 > nCi/g. The > radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit > after 15 > months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years > > Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the > gems > and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some > money, which is the tough part. lol > > There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an > article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the > difference > between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming > across > a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. > > Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big > spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. > > On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything > else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an > unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had > the honour > > > > > of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by > Ralph > Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! > If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am > > sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are > mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. > > One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless > > one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other > things > did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 > carats > Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. > It > was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat > Pidgeon > blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. > > In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some > other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this > is > the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using > it. I > shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural > and > Amethyst is heated to create the color green. > > However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go > by > the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural > vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this > scientifically too. > > More later. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > Namaste > Always anuj: Gaurav Jain > > __ > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste Yes, that’s right. If you like, I will give you the write up and referencing of the different colours of chrysoberyl which also describes the straitions for the cat’s eye effects – off line. Love, Swee <yobrevol Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: [vedic astrology] Re: catseye Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Swee ji, " " Gaurav: Honey coloured cat’s eye is desired by the industry but not necessarily in jyotish this is because Ketu (and Rahu) will take on the energy of the lord of the sign they are in. " " Does this mean that one should opt for a " greenish " cat;s eye with ketu in mercury's signs....and so on... Gaurav In a message dated 4/19/2007 8:34:12 P.M. India Standard Time, sweechan writes: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bharat and Gaurav, Namaste The natural radioactive gemstone is Heliodor – from the same family as Beryl but is to be found together with Aquamarine. I’ve seen some jyotishas recommending this as a substitute for Yellow Sapphire. That’s like wearing a piece of carcinogen but really, what is the difference between Heliodor and Mercury then when both are known to act like Gulika? I agree that for certification of heat treated material those guys at G get the thumbs up, but then GIA does not do this. However, for those in the know, magnifying it to about 80x or more you’ll see the ripples cause by heating. The can also identify exactly where the material has come from. Bharat, if you are experienced enough in handling gems by the kilos per day, you will also know from where they’ve come from. Bharat: The methodology of Irradiation is different from colour diffusion. Most irradiations take about 3 years in the chamber. But what is the point you are trying to make? As for Padparascha, it’s been known in the industry for eons. It’s not new, it is also described in the Garuda Purana. Do read up on it. Gaurav: Honey coloured cat’s eye is desired by the industry but not necessarily in jyotish this is because Ketu (and Rahu) will take on the energy of the lord of the sign they are in. Love, Swee <yobrevol Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:10:26 -0400 (EDT) <sohamsa >, [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: [vedic astrology] Re: catseye Dear Bharat Bhaiya, " Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). " Apologies for the typo, and it is to be read as but any corundum, meaning all corundum is subject to enhancement in today's commercial market. Gaurav In a message dated 4/18/2007 9:47:14 P.M. India Standard Time, yobrevol writes: Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, " All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. " That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. On another note, If I can with all due respect offer a correction in your understanding:- Irradiation and diffusion are entirely different and separate process of enhancement to a gemstone, please do not confuse or mix-up the two. Lattice diffusion, or surface diffusion or beryllium diffusion, what ever you want to call it, is a separate procedure to enhance the color of gems ( primarily YS, and not any corundum including rubies( new treatment, Africa) ). Lattice or bulk or surface diffusion is one where an external agent( coloring agent like titanium, iron, chromium) is introduced to a gem with little or no color and as the gem is " heated " to " near " its melting point, the lattice of the crystal structure expands. I say near melting point cause this keeps the crystal structure from breaking apart, and still expand enough for the outside agent to permeate/penetrate into the gem. Now, in cases of external agents as mentioned above, the material is still not able to penetrate completely into the gem and therefore forms a thin layer of color all around the gem, essentially coloring the gem to a thin 0.4-0.5mm layer, and as a result chipping or setting, re-polishing can expose the gem colorless in parts. Be diffusion or deep Diffusion is one where this specific agent; beryllium, is able to permeate deep within the lattice crystal of the gem (primarily most Yellow Sapphires, orange sapphires on the commercial market) and is not limited to the thin layer surrounding the gem. Further, a very important point is that in this Be case, traces of its presence ( in inactive dormant form) are also found within sapphires particularly being mined in illakaka (Madagascar), and simple heating at near melting points activates that color ingredient to shine out giving more color to the stone. Therefore, even outside-in Be diffusion is attempted to be justified by the industry because the element is sometimes present in the stone already and inherently. The argument being that the coloring element was already present in the stone by mother nature. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheated one, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain In a message dated 4/18/2007 1:38:12 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav That the cat's eye is irradiated by some, there is no doubt. Just read again what I have written before. All I am saying is that such a cat's eye is not dangerously radioactive for the wearer of that stone. Whether such a stone can be or not be used in Jyotish is not being commented upon. I am simply saying all Be-treated stones through irradiated to infuse beryllium such as to color the stone, do not become radioactive for the wearer of the gem. As far as the labs are concerned, the Swiss lab is the most authentic lab I have come across. I trust them more than GIA. Need I say more. As far as heat treatment is concerned, I would go by the test report of the Swiss lab. Pads are mostly heated and you'd find, very rarely, one without heat. I have one certified Padparadscha of 3 carats untreated and unheated. Major labs across the world, till recently, did not want to grade a gem as " Padparadscha " . They would write pink,orange sapphire. I think GIA, Carlsbad has started grading a gemstone as a Pad. However, there is still no collective definition of a Padparadscha. I go with the definition of Richard Wise. Knowledge does not respect age. If this was untrue, how would Sri Visti be so resourceful in astrology I hope you now know what I really said. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 17 Apr 2007 13:10:46 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > varieties( color ) of irradiated cat's eye, including massive quantities > of > Swiss blue topaz, was found to be still active during a sample Gublein Gem > > Lab review last year during Basel show in Switzerland. This was largely > found > to be out of the labs of Zimmerman GmBh, and the goods owners were Astro > Minerals of London, and R.H.Imports of New York. > > Based on this, major European countries now check all gems being imported > into their countries at customs if the indications of such listings are > found on > any or all commercial invoices. > > Personally, I am family friends with RMC Minerals, who are the largest > Irradiators of gems in the entire world, and therefore know the whole > story close > up and with all its business heat that caused heavy losses. > > Also, if I may suggest an elder brother, trust little the " indian " gem > labs, > including the gov't ones and EGL ( read European gem lab, a private > company), and IGI (international gemological institution). They are like > the women > who go home to anyone who pays higher price ( sincere apologies for my > french, > but its the best way to explain these first hand experiences) > > Let me tell you an example, last year in October, I purchased a > Padparascha > Sapphire octagon cushion 8.03cts for my company in Bangkok, and had it > certified by Mr.Perretti of GRS ( Swiss Lab ) there to be a heated stone > for > color. (H(a)) technical grading. > > I took the same stone to New York, and upon customers request had it > certified by EGL in new york, and they gave it a natural color grading, > and > personally suggested that I am welcome to send them more stones to them > and they will > " take care " of me. .. Needless to say that in this industry, our " word " > > is the most valuable commodity. > > Anyways, You are elder and know better. > > Love; > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:43:44 P.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > You mentioned > " Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. " > > Just to point out that irradiated cat's eye are not radioactive. There is > no > evidence of any radioactivity and the gemology community says it is > perfectly safe to wear for scientific reasons. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 14 Apr 2007 06:37:52 -0700, yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> < > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Dear Vinhuat, > > > > Cat's eye, when are a beautiful variety of chrysoberyl, they are used to > > remedy Ketu. Please find some information of cat's eye that I had > written > > a > > while ago. > > > > Cat's Eye: The gemstone for Ketu. > > While significant quantities in commercial markets come from African > > nations, the best quality comes from Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and are ideally > > very clear > > and water-like transparent in their body, with excellent sharp and > > straight eye, of course without any visible inclusions. > > > > Color: Can be greenish yellow, or visa-versa; but the best ones have > > little honey color overtone. > > > > Clarity: At the least be eye flawless with no cracks;best ones are > > internally flawless. > > > > Shape: It is almost always is in a cabochon cut as oval or rounds. The > > bottom is almost always lumpy and unpolished which is acceptable. The > gem > > must have overall symmetry from the top. Occasionally, rare ones are > > polished on both sides and display the " eye " effect both sides, these > are > > highly > > valued. > > > > Size: 3.00 carats in weight and larger. > > > > Special Phenomenon: Any good cat's eye has a definitive line of > reflected > > light which travels or floats on the surface of the > > gem and moves in a liner motion when moving the gem. It is very > important > > that this " cat's eye " be very bright, completely straight and sharp. > > > > Commercial Enhancements: Cat's Eye Chrysoberyl is generally not treated > > except of temporary oiling (to enhance the " eye " for that moment) and in > > very rare cases thru irradiation. > > > > Avoid: Absolutely stay away from blurry, weak or pale eye on the gem. Do > > not buy crooked, bending, or otherwise asymmetrical eyes, and gems with > > visible cracks or flaws. Also, avoid the irradiated cat's eye that is > > made in a nuclear reactor and is dangerously radioactive. > > > > Hope this was of value to the readers' > > Gaurav Jain > > > > In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:16:17 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat%40.sg> <vinhuat%40.sg> > writes: > > > > Dear Manoj Sharma, > > Thank you for your reply. I happen to pass by a Gemstore in my > > country (Singapore) whom previously I have bought a Yellow sapphire > > from him. He showed me a catseye weight 6.08 carat with a light > > greensish background. the price he offered was $21000 without any > > gold casing. It was a very beautiful stone but i didnt bought it. > > All this while I was > > thinking that catseye is related to Rahu. As I will be running my > > Antardasa of Rahu in Maha of Mercury in October that is why I post > > my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Vincent > > > > - In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > <swastik_astro wrote: > > > > > > JAI MAA > > > > > > DEAR FRIEND VINCENT > > > > > > U SY THE CAT'S EYE IS A VERY EXPENCIVE STONE. BUT I WANT TO SAY > > U HAVE SOME LESS EXPENCIVE OPTIONS ALSO. I MY DAILY PRACTICE MANY > > PEOPLES R COME WITH THERE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. IF I SUGEST THEM A > > STONE LIKE CAT'S EYE IT STARTS FROM ABOUT RS 50/ CRT TO RS 5000 / > > CRT. ITS THE CAPACITY OF A PERSON WHICH ONE HE CAN BOUGHT. > > INTRESINGLY SOME TIMES THE LOW RATE GEM (U CAN SAY IT LOW QUILTY) > > GIVE WONDERFUL EFFECTS. I THINK THE EFFECT OF A STONE DEPENDS ON > > VARIOUS THINGS EG. RUNNING DASA, HOROSCOPE, PLACEMENT OF A PLANET, > > MAHURAT AND MANY MORE. > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > MANOJ SHARMA > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj sharma <swastik_astro wrote: > > > the gem for rahu is gomeda. > > > > > > manoj sharma > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat wrote: > > > Dear sir, > > > Kindly let me know which gemstone is related to Rahu? > > > Tks > > > Vincent > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > manoj sharma > > > <swastik_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR SIR > > > > > > > > > > > > 1ST OF ALL CAT'S EYE IS NOT A GEM FOR RAHU, ITS FOR KETU. ANY > > > PERSON WHO ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE MAHADASA OF KETU & AFTER > > LOOKING > > > OTHER THINGS I AM RECOMMENED IT TO MY CLIENTS. THIS GEM STONE IS > > > ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE JOINT PAIN, URINARY PROBLEMS, DELAY IN CHILD > > > BIRHT & MANY MORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinhuat <vinhuat@> wrote: > > > > Learned astrologer, > > > > > > > > Catseye is associated with Rahu and is pretty expensive. I have > > > not > > > > seen anyone recommending this gem to any native in this forum. > > > > Would like to know who can wear this gem. > > > > > > > > Tks > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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