Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, //Its Mrs.Wendys kindness that she allows me most of the times,to express my thoughts, as long as I do not lean overboard, and when she does object, I do not mind at all. I find it affectionate.// I'm sure those days, where I might need to object to some posts, are far behind us now. It pleases me greatly, and increases my affection for both, when I see civility between old foes :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Patrice Curry " <patricecurry <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:19 PM RE: Re: Predicting Date of Death :-) Very sweet. thanks Bhaskar. _____ Dear Patrice. Thanks for being generous. And nice to see you after 1 billion years.. Its Mrs.Wendys kindness that she allows me most of the times,to express my thoughts, as long as I do not lean overboard, and when she does object, I do not mind at all. I find it affectionate. Its enjoyable to share freely with Astrological colleagues, as their level of intelligence is certainly more than average, and the sharing is really sweet juice to the soul. The feeling of oneness when sharing on such forums, makes one delve deeper and deeper into it. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Dear Wendy thanks for the info I had not heard of roberts death nor his statement that he will live that long, it proves the point beyond doubt isnt it, we may have many models, tools to work with but beyond the classifications of Alpa [short days -32 yrs]] madhya [medium 32-72 yrs] poorna [full 72-120] there r so many combinations , yogas , transits to work and fit into that period I remember B V RAMAN say that it depends on how u live, that is quality of life, people with controlled breathing doo live longer-pranayama , yoga and normal simple food, the Japneese who have lived the longest are some good examples of it. but from robert haucks we can take the timing part from the eclipses, with the maraka dasahas and family patterns too. even before I read this or KN raos works I had done this as starting point for births also but found KN raos model quite good the double transits for good or bad must be involved has helped move on from there. It would be ince to have ROBERTS BIRTH AND DEATHDATA IF AVAILABLE. btw have u tried the other work I mentioned Planets in Orbit this covers many aspects of life how transits an give u clues on them, Mahendra patap sings English may not be as fluid as KN RAOS but the subject is dealth with quite lucidly. thanks prashant kumar On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Prashant, > > //now to improve ur skills I am sure u have heard of the1 2 books > ASTROLOGY OF DEATH by robert Hauck > Planets inOrbit [transit] by Mahendra pratap singh [this covers transits > at > various levels and its outcome and during maraka periods what the > transits > can indicate.// > > I can't remember (exactly) now, but hadn't Robert Hauck boldly predicted > his own death to be in old age...at least not at the age of 54 when he > actually passed away (from Cancer I believe)? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > ___ > > > - > " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:05 AM > Re: Re: Predicting Date of Death > > Dear Vic > > Death is not a subject to be easily given as a reading to anyone. > Astrology > is about life, hope, direction, coming out of a dark phase, seeing light > at > the end of the tunnel....in the process we may see some good predictions > hitting the bulls eye but that is not the scope, we 1st have to lift > people > out of a tough pahse and help them move on. > > Bhaskar is right in his saying it is not a subject to predict before hand > and it is given only when necessary > say to a suffering or terminally sick person > to someone where he is a job of risk say armed forces, cops etc > as the family has a stake in it. > > you r right death is dealt in extensively by classics in knowing it and > as > u wud have seen there many parameters, combinations, dasa levels, > transits > etc to synchronise them and this u will do only for the needy in all > other > cases u will come close to it and give up on ur own. [...lets see later] > u need to know the rules, and methods well even to do it > > now to improve ur skills I am sure u have heard of the1 2 books > ASTROLOGY OF DEATH by robert Hauck > Planets inOrbit [transit] by Mahendra pratap singh [this covers transits > at > various levels and its outcome and during maraka periods what the > transits > can indicate. > > AS FAR AS PLANNING U ARE PARTLY RIGHT > as if u have got a gist of the Ashramas system > the 1st Brahamacharya and last vanaprastha are socialist in nature > in between u r in a capatilist world but the shades of socialsitic life > at > the early academic life will make u less greedy, avaracious and will > allow u > to time ur vavaprastha in grace > > and in both phases they gave back a lot ot nature [natural forest guards, > keepers, groomers] > > and what u cud probably sharpen is by mixing ur thots with the ones u got > from every one here > > and u need to live all what u want to do in vanaprashta in some % even > now > some charity in terms of cahs, time with a old age home or orphanage or > disaster struck community > > if u look at how Mumbai people did help one another during floods, or > comunal strifes is amazing people distribute food water, clothing free to > as > many as they can this involves not only pooling money but they cook, > serve > one another, rich or poor irrespective of community, religion these > people r > models to look forward to as they have seen many hard times and they > share > what they made in good times with the people in bad times even when they > r > part of it > > *whatever we want to do it is not at the end of the road but along the > road* > there ia draw back in this too as Bhagavad geetha says the one who thinks > of > me [god ] in his last moment will reach me, imagine all the > unlawful,criminal people doing this... > > as I remember one case who requests us regularly to know when he is > likely > to die as he will ask his doctor to give him a cyanide pill, doesnt want > to > suffer at the time of death > > we have predicted as said to rerminally ill people on the tithi, vara > nakshatra, masa, phase of the day etc. [this is how our rishis have laid > it] just to the selct few I had alrready said. > > nevertheless a good question and does help us know and make life more > meaningfil. > > Best wishes > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Respected Bhaskarji.Your mails are a welcome treat for thirsty souls and inquistive minds .Its a pleasurable experience having ur pearls of wisdom on these forums and elicit same delight as on resting under palm tree in an oasis of desert.None of astro classics say that an astrologer should deliver his judgement on death even if its evident from the chart under consideration.Hope you would continue to share your rich experiences and knowledge streams with those desirious of it.Thanking you . Yours truly Dr a mehta Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Vic, Nevertheless, You are a sincere seeker of astrological knowledge. I will write in further mails, few ways to determine the death periods, or to put it positively, the life span or longevity of the native. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > First of all, let me acknowledge that > I am extremely pleased to know that > you do have the knowledge ( Essence) of the > Bhagavad Gita, as I read in one of your mails > some time back. It is very true that one > cannot think about the Lord,at his last moment, > unless one has practised this daily and > regularly, in his Life. > > Now coming to where has Shri Parashar Muni written > about not predicting death to people ? > > I was taught Karate ten years back, by a Teacher, > halg younger to my age, than me. He taught me > the moves, but never instructed me, not to hit anyone > walking on the road, or whom I felt distasteful etc. > I saw a person who eats broken glasses and demonstrates > this on television shows, but I am sure that he > would not offer this to others who are watching him. > Same way if one enjoys calculating death of others, > let it be his enjoyment, but not ask the Horoscope > owner to partake in his share of enjoyment. > > One mans sugar may be another ones posion ( To a diabetic ). > > These matters ( The one in question) are understood and not > to be told blatantly. One has to be selective in such matters. > Shri Parashar Muni may also have given us combinations for > unchaste women, and because he has not asked us to avoid > predicting this, and for the fact that he has mentioned this > combination, does not give me the right to mention to > a women when i see this combination that " You are unchaste " . > Rahu in 7th may make the native ( IF other configurations too > confirm) , go to seek pleasures with widows or women older > than him, or of lower class, but I cannot of course mention > this to any Birth chart owner whenever I see this placement. > > In same way. devoting a chapter on Death or determination of > longevity, does not imply that we start calculating the death > period for everyone and inform them. Shri parashar Muni > has mentioned hundreds and hundreds of such important matters, > which is like a surgeons Knife, and cannot be used just > by anybody or on Anybody, specially unless and until > one attains a Surgeons degree, and knows when and how and > upon whom to use the knife. > > I have many reasons for not informing a person, even > if i see his death - point blank, which need not be > mentioned here, as they are understood, and also because > my teachers of Jyotish, have forbade us students never to > predict death or any such grave calamity and put fear > in native, who has come to us with some hope and wish > of listening positive. > > I wish I had the time to write more and more. I am > seeing good discussions coming from anyone after a very > very long period. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhashkar, > > > > Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please explain > > yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of > your > > point of view and adopt it. > > > > You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless > > necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni > gives > > the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that > > should not usually be done? > > > > You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I > would > > like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning > as > > to why I do believe it is a blessing: > > > > In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our > death. > > If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly. > For > > example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I > will > > have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the > normal > > ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice > thing > > to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities > > appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely > going > > to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit > my > > stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids > and > > wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see? > > > > Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with a > far > > off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But this > is > > true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking it. > > > > I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous. > This > > is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with > > accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to > a " client " > > like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough wisdom > > about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are > multiple > > possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself. > > > > So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you > hold > > the strong feelings that you hold on this subject. > > > > Thank you, > > Vic > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > Its not easy to predict death. > > > Its not allowed to predict death to the native > > > unless necessary. > > > Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least. > > > At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death. > > > > > > I close my contribution to this thread with the above. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhashkar, > > > > > > > > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely death > is > > > > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being able > > > to > > > > set his own time of death. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > There are many and various ways and pointers > > > > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of > > > > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any > > > > > of these may be empowered to kill the native. > > > > > The point to be understood is the application > > > > > part, and its utility. > > > > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a > > > > > native who has just suffered a heart attack, > > > > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique > > > > > has to be himself empowered to know > > > > > whether this attack would be survived by the > > > > > native., or suppose the same native had > > > > > met the astrologer six months before this attack > > > > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power > > > > > to identify the incoming calamity, through > > > > > any of the killer planets involved as being > > > > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA > > > > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the > > > > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the > > > > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly > > > > > in advance, to make his will, so > > > > > that the survivors do not fight it out > > > > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would > > > > > lie in peace after his death. > > > > > > > > > > The point of this discussion or any astrological > > > > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification > > > > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which > > > > > planets would be involved which would depend on > > > > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as > > > > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the > > > > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the > > > > > utility of the query. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandiyan, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@> > > > > > wrote: Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also > > > > > empowered > > > > > > to kill a native. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Dear Mr.Mehta and Mr. Shashie Bhai, I thank you for your mails to me. Unfortunately I have to leave the Forum due to personal reasons, and I wish goodbye to all of you dear members. All the best to each of You, and kind regards to Mrs.Wendy. regards, Bhaskar. P.S. Do not reply to this mail, for I am leaving the Forum immediately and would not be able to write back. jyotish-vidya , ajay mehta <ajaymehta60 wrote: > > Respected Bhaskarji.Your mails are a welcome treat for thirsty souls and inquistive minds .Its a pleasurable experience having ur pearls of wisdom on these forums and elicit same delight as on resting under palm tree in an oasis of desert.None of astro classics say that an astrologer should deliver his judgement on death even if its evident from the chart under consideration.Hope you would continue to share your rich experiences and knowledge streams with those desirious of it.Thanking you . > Yours truly > Dr a mehta > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Vic, > > Nevertheless, > You are a sincere seeker of astrological > knowledge. > > I will write in further mails, few ways to determine > the death periods, or to put it positively, the > life span or longevity of the native. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > First of all, let me acknowledge that > > I am extremely pleased to know that > > you do have the knowledge ( Essence) of the > > Bhagavad Gita, as I read in one of your mails > > some time back. It is very true that one > > cannot think about the Lord,at his last moment, > > unless one has practised this daily and > > regularly, in his Life. > > > > Now coming to where has Shri Parashar Muni written > > about not predicting death to people ? > > > > I was taught Karate ten years back, by a Teacher, > > halg younger to my age, than me. He taught me > > the moves, but never instructed me, not to hit anyone > > walking on the road, or whom I felt distasteful etc. > > I saw a person who eats broken glasses and demonstrates > > this on television shows, but I am sure that he > > would not offer this to others who are watching him. > > Same way if one enjoys calculating death of others, > > let it be his enjoyment, but not ask the Horoscope > > owner to partake in his share of enjoyment. > > > > One mans sugar may be another ones posion ( To a diabetic ). > > > > These matters ( The one in question) are understood and not > > to be told blatantly. One has to be selective in such matters. > > Shri Parashar Muni may also have given us combinations for > > unchaste women, and because he has not asked us to avoid > > predicting this, and for the fact that he has mentioned this > > combination, does not give me the right to mention to > > a women when i see this combination that " You are unchaste " . > > Rahu in 7th may make the native ( IF other configurations too > > confirm) , go to seek pleasures with widows or women older > > than him, or of lower class, but I cannot of course mention > > this to any Birth chart owner whenever I see this placement. > > > > In same way. devoting a chapter on Death or determination of > > longevity, does not imply that we start calculating the death > > period for everyone and inform them. Shri parashar Muni > > has mentioned hundreds and hundreds of such important matters, > > which is like a surgeons Knife, and cannot be used just > > by anybody or on Anybody, specially unless and until > > one attains a Surgeons degree, and knows when and how and > > upon whom to use the knife. > > > > I have many reasons for not informing a person, even > > if i see his death - point blank, which need not be > > mentioned here, as they are understood, and also because > > my teachers of Jyotish, have forbade us students never to > > predict death or any such grave calamity and put fear > > in native, who has come to us with some hope and wish > > of listening positive. > > > > I wish I had the time to write more and more. I am > > seeing good discussions coming from anyone after a very > > very long period. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhashkar, > > > > > > Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please > explain > > > yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of > > your > > > point of view and adopt it. > > > > > > You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless > > > necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni > > gives > > > the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that > > > should not usually be done? > > > > > > You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I > > would > > > like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning > > as > > > to why I do believe it is a blessing: > > > > > > In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our > > death. > > > If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly. > > For > > > example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I > > will > > > have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the > > normal > > > ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice > > thing > > > to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities > > > appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely > > going > > > to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit > > my > > > stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids > > and > > > wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see? > > > > > > Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with > a > > far > > > off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But > this > > is > > > true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking > it. > > > > > > I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous. > > This > > > is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with > > > accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to > > a " client " > > > like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough > wisdom > > > about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are > > multiple > > > possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself. > > > > > > So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you > > hold > > > the strong feelings that you hold on this subject. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > > > > > Its not easy to predict death. > > > > Its not allowed to predict death to the native > > > > unless necessary. > > > > Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least. > > > > At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death. > > > > > > > > I close my contribution to this thread with the above. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhashkar, > > > > > > > > > > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely > death > > is > > > > > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being > able > > > > to > > > > > set his own time of death. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many and various ways and pointers > > > > > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of > > > > > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any > > > > > > of these may be empowered to kill the native. > > > > > > The point to be understood is the application > > > > > > part, and its utility. > > > > > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a > > > > > > native who has just suffered a heart attack, > > > > > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique > > > > > > has to be himself empowered to know > > > > > > whether this attack would be survived by the > > > > > > native., or suppose the same native had > > > > > > met the astrologer six months before this attack > > > > > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power > > > > > > to identify the incoming calamity, through > > > > > > any of the killer planets involved as being > > > > > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA > > > > > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the > > > > > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the > > > > > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly > > > > > > in advance, to make his will, so > > > > > > that the survivors do not fight it out > > > > > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would > > > > > > lie in peace after his death. > > > > > > > > > > > > The point of this discussion or any astrological > > > > > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification > > > > > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which > > > > > > planets would be involved which would depend on > > > > > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as > > > > > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the > > > > > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the > > > > > > utility of the query. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandiyan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@> > > > > > > wrote: Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are > also > > > > > > empowered > > > > > > > to kill a native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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