Predicting Date of Death

May 30, 2008

Dear Vic,

Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt that any planet

can cause death depending on its disposition in chart. Why do you think it is

otherwise?

Regards,

Krishna

Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained here. As

best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that *any* planet

can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone please walk me

through the prediction of a date of death as a practical example?

Thanks so much,

Vic

May 30, 2008

Dear Krishnaji,

Thanks for your reply.

> Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt

> that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in chart.

What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

> Why do you think it is otherwise?

BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to point me to

identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am having

great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

Thank you,

Vic

On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> Dear Vic,

>

> Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt

> that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in

> chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> Vic D <vicdicara wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

>

> I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained here. As

> best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that *any* planet

> can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone please walk me

> through the prediction of a date of death as a practical example?

>

> Thanks so much,

> Vic

>

May 30, 2008

Dear Vic,

I would be happy if you drop 'ji'.

//What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?//

Any planet can become a maraka for the chart based on the following:

- By owning 2nd or 7th from Moon or Lagna

- By occupying 2nd of 7th from Moon or Lagna

- Being in conjunction with the above planets

B V Raman states that in addition to 2nd and 7th, one should also consider the

3rd and 8th bhavas as well. This makes practically all planets having the

ability to become a maraka. Care should be taken to see which planets qualify

being a maraka from multiple possibliites stated above. That way we could

separate the weak marakas from strong marakas in a chart.

Regards,

Krishna

Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear Krishnaji,

Thanks for your reply.

> Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt

> that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in chart.

What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

> Why do you think it is otherwise?

BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to point me to

identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am having

great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

Thank you,

Vic

On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> Dear Vic,

>

> Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt

> that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in

> chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> Vic D wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

>

> I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained here. As

> best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that *any* planet

> can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone please walk me

> through the prediction of a date of death as a practical example?

>

> Thanks so much,

> Vic

>

May 30, 2008

Dear Krishna,

Yes, that's really what my question is. We identify the maraka's as

those who

- own 2 or 7

- occupy 2 or 7 (lagna or chandra)

- are in conjunction with any of the above.

As you mention, this potentially produces quate a few planets. Now we

come to the task of sorting out the week Makara's from the strong

ones. My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we do so?

Thanks again for your help.

Vic

On May 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> Dear Vic,

>

> I would be happy if you drop 'ji'.

>

> //What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?//

>

> Any planet can become a maraka for the chart based on the following:

>

> - By owning 2nd or 7th from Moon or Lagna

> - By occupying 2nd of 7th from Moon or Lagna

> - Being in conjunction with the above planets

>

> B V Raman states that in addition to 2nd and 7th, one should also

> consider the 3rd and 8th bhavas as well. This makes practically all

> planets having the ability to become a maraka. Care should be taken

> to see which planets qualify being a maraka from multiple

> possibliites stated above. That way we could separate the weak

> marakas from strong marakas in a chart.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear Krishnaji,

>

> Thanks for your reply.

>

> > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt

> > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in

> chart.

>

> What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

>

> > Why do you think it is otherwise?

>

> BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to point me to

> identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am having

> great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

>

> Thank you,

> Vic

>

> On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

>

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt

> > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in

> > chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > Vic D wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

> >

> > I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained here. As

> > best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that *any*

> planet

> > can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone please

> walk me

> > through the prediction of a date of death as a practical example?

> >

> > Thanks so much,

> > Vic

> >

May 30, 2008

Dear Vic,

//My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we do so?//

I think I have already hinted the answer in my previous mail:

" Care should be taken to see which planets qualify being a maraka from multiple

possibilities stated above. That way we could separate the weak marakas from

strong marakas in a chart. "

That means, if a given planet qualifies to be a maraka from many angles, it can

be qualified as a strong maraka. However, death may not come during the dasha of

the strongest maraka. That is because, one should check if the native falls into

alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu category and what dashas are operative during those

specific periods. Also, one should consider whether a given planet is exalted,

debilitated, vargottama or combust etc. and draw conclusions appropriately.

Regards,

Krishna

Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear Krishna,

Yes, that's really what my question is. We identify the maraka's as

those who

- own 2 or 7

- occupy 2 or 7 (lagna or chandra)

- are in conjunction with any of the above.

As you mention, this potentially produces quate a few planets. Now we

come to the task of sorting out the week Makara's from the strong

ones. My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we do so?

Thanks again for your help.

Vic

On May 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> Dear Vic,

>

> I would be happy if you drop 'ji'.

>

> //What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?//

>

> Any planet can become a maraka for the chart based on the following:

>

> - By owning 2nd or 7th from Moon or Lagna

> - By occupying 2nd of 7th from Moon or Lagna

> - Being in conjunction with the above planets

>

> B V Raman states that in addition to 2nd and 7th, one should also

> consider the 3rd and 8th bhavas as well. This makes practically all

> planets having the ability to become a maraka. Care should be taken

> to see which planets qualify being a maraka from multiple

> possibliites stated above. That way we could separate the weak

> marakas from strong marakas in a chart.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear Krishnaji,

>

> Thanks for your reply.

>

> > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt

> > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in

> chart.

>

> What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

>

> > Why do you think it is otherwise?

>

> BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to point me to

> identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am having

> great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

>

> Thank you,

> Vic

>

> On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

>

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any doubt

> > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in

> > chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > Vic D wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

> >

> > I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained here. As

> > best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that *any*

> planet

> > can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone please

> walk me

> > through the prediction of a date of death as a practical example?

> >

> > Thanks so much,

> > Vic

> >

May 30, 2008

Friends,

Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also empowered

to kill a native.

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

May 30, 2008

Dear Pandiyan,

You are right. I missed mentioning it.

Regards,

Krishna

pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar wrote:

Friends,

Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also empowered

to kill a native.

With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

May 30, 2008

Dear Friends,

There are many and various ways and pointers

and also techniques, apart from which and any of

the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

of these may be empowered to kill the native.

The point to be understood is the application

part, and its utility.

For instance if some enquiry comes from a

native who has just suffered a heart attack,

the astrologer knowing any of such technique

has to be himself empowered to know

whether this attack would be survived by the

native., or suppose the same native had

met the astrologer six months before this attack

has occured,does the astrologer have the power

to identify the incoming calamity, through

any of the killer planets involved as being

activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

in advance, to make his will, so

that the survivors do not fight it out

for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

lie in peace after his death.

The point of this discussion or any astrological

one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

planets would be involved which would depend on

the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

utility of the query.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Pandiyan,

>

> You are right. I missed mentioning it.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar

wrote: Friends,

>

> Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also

empowered

> to kill a native.

>

> With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

>

May 30, 2008

Can any one let me know how to catagorise Alpayu/Madhyayu/Purnayu

from one's chart?

Thanks

Anjana

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> //My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we do

so?//

>

> I think I have already hinted the answer in my previous mail:

>

> " Care should be taken to see which planets qualify being a maraka

from multiple possibilities stated above. That way we could separate

the weak marakas from strong marakas in a chart. "

>

> That means, if a given planet qualifies to be a maraka from many

angles, it can be qualified as a strong maraka. However, death may

not come during the dasha of the strongest maraka. That is because,

one should check if the native falls into alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu

category and what dashas are operative during those specific periods.

Also, one should consider whether a given planet is exalted,

debilitated, vargottama or combust etc. and draw conclusions

appropriately.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear

Krishna,

>

> Yes, that's really what my question is. We identify the maraka's

as

> those who

>

> - own 2 or 7

> - occupy 2 or 7 (lagna or chandra)

> - are in conjunction with any of the above.

>

> As you mention, this potentially produces quate a few planets. Now

we

> come to the task of sorting out the week Makara's from the strong

> ones. My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we

do so?

>

> Thanks again for your help.

> Vic

>

> On May 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

>

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > I would be happy if you drop 'ji'.

> >

> > //What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?//

> >

> > Any planet can become a maraka for the chart based on the

following:

> >

> > - By owning 2nd or 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > - By occupying 2nd of 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > - Being in conjunction with the above planets

> >

> > B V Raman states that in addition to 2nd and 7th, one should

also

> > consider the 3rd and 8th bhavas as well. This makes practically

all

> > planets having the ability to become a maraka. Care should be

taken

> > to see which planets qualify being a maraka from multiple

> > possibliites stated above. That way we could separate the weak

> > marakas from strong marakas in a chart.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear Krishnaji,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply.

> >

> > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

doubt

> > > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition

in

> > chart.

> >

> > What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

> >

> > > Why do you think it is otherwise?

> >

> > BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to point

me to

> > identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am

having

> > great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Vic

> >

> > On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Vic,

> > >

> > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

doubt

> > > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in

> > > chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > Vic D wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

> > >

> > > I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained

here. As

> > > best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that

*any*

> > planet

> > > can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone

please

> > walk me

> > > through the prediction of a date of death as a practical

example?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much,

> > > Vic

> > >

May 30, 2008

i've been advised to look at the sign of the asc lord and 8th lord. if

both are stira, life is short. if one is sthira and the other chara,

life is medium, if both are chara life is long.

With this I figure the " base longevity " and then modify it

conservatively with any other longevity indications in the chart.

From what I understand, Parashara Muni says that short lived people

will die in the mahadasha of the nakshatra ruler 5 stars away from

their lunar birth nakshatra, medium lived people will die 7 stars

away, and long lived people 9 stars away.

This put's my wife's life expectancy in her 50s. Which I am not too

happy about, needless to say... but also does not jive with what a

professional vedic astrologer told her (closer to 75). so i am trying

to make sense of the whole thing

On May 30, 2008, at 5:01 AM, anjana_hv wrote:

> Can any one let me know how to catagorise Alpayu/Madhyayu/Purnayu

> from one's chart?

>

> Thanks

> Anjana

>

> jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > //My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we do

> so?//

> >

> > I think I have already hinted the answer in my previous mail:

> >

> > " Care should be taken to see which planets qualify being a maraka

> from multiple possibilities stated above. That way we could separate

> the weak marakas from strong marakas in a chart. "

> >

> > That means, if a given planet qualifies to be a maraka from many

> angles, it can be qualified as a strong maraka. However, death may

> not come during the dasha of the strongest maraka. That is because,

> one should check if the native falls into alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu

> category and what dashas are operative during those specific periods.

> Also, one should consider whether a given planet is exalted,

> debilitated, vargottama or combust etc. and draw conclusions

> appropriately.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear

> Krishna,

> >

> > Yes, that's really what my question is. We identify the maraka's

> as

> > those who

> >

> > - own 2 or 7

> > - occupy 2 or 7 (lagna or chandra)

> > - are in conjunction with any of the above.

> >

> > As you mention, this potentially produces quate a few planets. Now

> we

> > come to the task of sorting out the week Makara's from the strong

> > ones. My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we

> do so?

> >

> > Thanks again for your help.

> > Vic

> >

> > On May 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Vic,

> > >

> > > I would be happy if you drop 'ji'.

> > >

> > > //What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?//

> > >

> > > Any planet can become a maraka for the chart based on the

> following:

> > >

> > > - By owning 2nd or 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > > - By occupying 2nd of 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > > - Being in conjunction with the above planets

> > >

> > > B V Raman states that in addition to 2nd and 7th, one should

> also

> > > consider the 3rd and 8th bhavas as well. This makes practically

> all

> > > planets having the ability to become a maraka. Care should be

> taken

> > > to see which planets qualify being a maraka from multiple

> > > possibliites stated above. That way we could separate the weak

> > > marakas from strong marakas in a chart.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear Krishnaji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reply.

> > >

> > > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

> doubt

> > > > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition

> in

> > > chart.

> > >

> > > What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

> > >

> > > > Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > >

> > > BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to point

> me to

> > > identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am

> having

> > > great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Vic

> > >

> > > On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Vic,

> > > >

> > > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

> doubt

> > > > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition in

> > > > chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Vic D wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

> > > >

> > > > I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained

> here. As

> > > > best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that

> *any*

> > > planet

> > > > can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone

> please

> > > walk me

> > > > through the prediction of a date of death as a practical

> example?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much,

> > > > Vic

> > > >

May 30, 2008

Dear Bhashkar,

I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely death is

immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being able to

set his own time of death.

Yours,

Vic

On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> There are many and various ways and pointers

> and also techniques, apart from which and any of

> the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

> of these may be empowered to kill the native.

> The point to be understood is the application

> part, and its utility.

> For instance if some enquiry comes from a

> native who has just suffered a heart attack,

> the astrologer knowing any of such technique

> has to be himself empowered to know

> whether this attack would be survived by the

> native., or suppose the same native had

> met the astrologer six months before this attack

> has occured,does the astrologer have the power

> to identify the incoming calamity, through

> any of the killer planets involved as being

> activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

> Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

> natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

> impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

> in advance, to make his will, so

> that the survivors do not fight it out

> for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

> lie in peace after his death.

>

> The point of this discussion or any astrological

> one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

> part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

> planets would be involved which would depend on

> the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

> per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

> advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

> utility of the query.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandiyan,

> >

> > You are right. I missed mentioning it.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar

> wrote: Friends,

> >

> > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also

> empowered

> > to kill a native.

> >

> > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

> >

May 30, 2008

Dear Krishna and Pandiya,

A drekkan or dreshkan is the sky divided into 10 degree slices,

correct? the first one is Aries, or the first one is the Ascendant?

Similar question for the Navamsha.

Thank you!

Yours,

Vic

On May 30, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> Dear Pandiyan,

>

> You are right. I missed mentioning it.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar wrote: Friends,

>

> Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also empowered

> to kill a native.

>

> With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

>

May 30, 2008

Dear Vic,

Its not easy to predict death.

Its not allowed to predict death to the native

unless necessary.

Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least.

At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death.

I close my contribution to this thread with the above.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Dear Bhashkar,

>

> I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely death is

> immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being able

to

> set his own time of death.

>

> Yours,

> Vic

>

> On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

>

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > There are many and various ways and pointers

> > and also techniques, apart from which and any of

> > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

> > of these may be empowered to kill the native.

> > The point to be understood is the application

> > part, and its utility.

> > For instance if some enquiry comes from a

> > native who has just suffered a heart attack,

> > the astrologer knowing any of such technique

> > has to be himself empowered to know

> > whether this attack would be survived by the

> > native., or suppose the same native had

> > met the astrologer six months before this attack

> > has occured,does the astrologer have the power

> > to identify the incoming calamity, through

> > any of the killer planets involved as being

> > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

> > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

> > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

> > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

> > in advance, to make his will, so

> > that the survivors do not fight it out

> > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

> > lie in peace after his death.

> >

> > The point of this discussion or any astrological

> > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

> > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

> > planets would be involved which would depend on

> > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

> > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

> > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

> > utility of the query.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pandiyan,

> > >

> > > You are right. I missed mentioning it.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@>

> > wrote: Friends,

> > >

> > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also

> > empowered

> > > to kill a native.

> > >

> > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

> > >

May 30, 2008

Dear Bhashkar,

Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please explain

yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of your

point of view and adopt it.

You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless

necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni gives

the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that

should not usually be done?

You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I would

like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning as

to why I do believe it is a blessing:

In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our death.

If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly. For

example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I will

have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the normal

ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice thing

to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities

appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely going

to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit my

stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids and

wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see?

Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with a far

off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But this is

true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking it.

I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous. This

is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with

accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to a " client "

like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough wisdom

about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are multiple

possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself.

So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you hold

the strong feelings that you hold on this subject.

Thank you,

Vic

On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> Dear Vic,

>

> Its not easy to predict death.

> Its not allowed to predict death to the native

> unless necessary.

> Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least.

> At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death.

>

> I close my contribution to this thread with the above.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhashkar,

> >

> > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely death is

> > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being able

> to

> > set his own time of death.

> >

> > Yours,

> > Vic

> >

> > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > There are many and various ways and pointers

> > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of

> > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

> > > of these may be empowered to kill the native.

> > > The point to be understood is the application

> > > part, and its utility.

> > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a

> > > native who has just suffered a heart attack,

> > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique

> > > has to be himself empowered to know

> > > whether this attack would be survived by the

> > > native., or suppose the same native had

> > > met the astrologer six months before this attack

> > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power

> > > to identify the incoming calamity, through

> > > any of the killer planets involved as being

> > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

> > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

> > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

> > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

> > > in advance, to make his will, so

> > > that the survivors do not fight it out

> > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

> > > lie in peace after his death.

> > >

> > > The point of this discussion or any astrological

> > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

> > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

> > > planets would be involved which would depend on

> > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

> > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

> > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

> > > utility of the query.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pandiyan,

> > > >

> > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@>

> > > wrote: Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also

> > > empowered

> > > > to kill a native.

> > > >

> > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

> > > >

May 30, 2008

what if one's asc lord or 8th house lord falls in dual sign(s).

eg, my asc pisces lord jupiter in pisces(dual) and 7th house lord

budha in gemini(dual)?

or

eg, my son's asc lord satrun in leo(sthira) and 8th house lord budha

in aquarius(sthira) so it means short lived... which means 5th

nakshatra (Shravana) i.e satrun dasa starts around 96 yrs of his age..

Please explain

thanks

Anjana

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> i've been advised to look at the sign of the asc lord and 8th lord.

if

> both are stira, life is short. if one is sthira and the other

chara,

> life is medium, if both are chara life is long.

>

> With this I figure the " base longevity " and then modify it

> conservatively with any other longevity indications in the chart.

>

> From what I understand, Parashara Muni says that short lived

people

> will die in the mahadasha of the nakshatra ruler 5 stars away from

> their lunar birth nakshatra, medium lived people will die 7 stars

> away, and long lived people 9 stars away.

>

> This put's my wife's life expectancy in her 50s. Which I am not

too

> happy about, needless to say... but also does not jive with what a

> professional vedic astrologer told her (closer to 75). so i am

trying

> to make sense of the whole thing

>

> On May 30, 2008, at 5:01 AM, anjana_hv wrote:

>

> > Can any one let me know how to catagorise Alpayu/Madhyayu/Purnayu

> > from one's chart?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Anjana

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vic,

> > >

> > > //My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we do

> > so?//

> > >

> > > I think I have already hinted the answer in my previous mail:

> > >

> > > " Care should be taken to see which planets qualify being a

maraka

> > from multiple possibilities stated above. That way we could

separate

> > the weak marakas from strong marakas in a chart. "

> > >

> > > That means, if a given planet qualifies to be a maraka from many

> > angles, it can be qualified as a strong maraka. However, death may

> > not come during the dasha of the strongest maraka. That is

because,

> > one should check if the native falls into alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu

> > category and what dashas are operative during those specific

periods.

> > Also, one should consider whether a given planet is exalted,

> > debilitated, vargottama or combust etc. and draw conclusions

> > appropriately.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: Dear

> > Krishna,

> > >

> > > Yes, that's really what my question is. We identify the maraka's

> > as

> > > those who

> > >

> > > - own 2 or 7

> > > - occupy 2 or 7 (lagna or chandra)

> > > - are in conjunction with any of the above.

> > >

> > > As you mention, this potentially produces quate a few planets.

Now

> > we

> > > come to the task of sorting out the week Makara's from the

strong

> > > ones. My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we

> > do so?

> > >

> > > Thanks again for your help.

> > > Vic

> > >

> > > On May 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Vic,

> > > >

> > > > I would be happy if you drop 'ji'.

> > > >

> > > > //What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?//

> > > >

> > > > Any planet can become a maraka for the chart based on the

> > following:

> > > >

> > > > - By owning 2nd or 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > > > - By occupying 2nd of 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > > > - Being in conjunction with the above planets

> > > >

> > > > B V Raman states that in addition to 2nd and 7th, one should

> > also

> > > > consider the 3rd and 8th bhavas as well. This makes

practically

> > all

> > > > planets having the ability to become a maraka. Care should be

> > taken

> > > > to see which planets qualify being a maraka from multiple

> > > > possibliites stated above. That way we could separate the weak

> > > > marakas from strong marakas in a chart.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: Dear Krishnaji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your reply.

> > > >

> > > > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

> > doubt

> > > > > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition

> > in

> > > > chart.

> > > >

> > > > What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

> > > >

> > > > > Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > > >

> > > > BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to

point

> > me to

> > > > identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am

> > having

> > > > great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Vic,

> > > > >

> > > > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

> > doubt

> > > > > that any planet can cause death depending on its

disposition in

> > > > > chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Vic D wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained

> > here. As

> > > > > best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that

> > *any*

> > > > planet

> > > > > can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone

> > please

> > > > walk me

> > > > > through the prediction of a date of death as a practical

> > example?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks so much,

> > > > > Vic

> > > > >

May 30, 2008

Dear Anjana,

So sorry. My initial information was only partial. I apologize. Here

are my complete notes on the topic. I would like to hear if it is

confirmed in Classic Sastra, as I have learned it from Raj K. Chadha's

" A Practical Guide to Hindu Astrology "

1. Note the signs of Asc Lord and 8th Lord. For example, Asc Lord in

Leo (sthira) and 8th Lord in Aquarius (sthira)

2. Combine the two:

chara + chara OR sthira + dvi = LONG (9th nakshatra)

chara + sthira OR dvi + dvi = MEDIUM (7th nakshatra)

chara + dvi OR sthira + sthira = SHORT (5th nakshatra)

In this example of Asc Lord in Leo and 8th Lord in Aquarius it

indicates a short lifespan. Again this is the base, also factor in

other indications pertaining to longevity.

In the example of Asc Lord in Pisces and ... opps I think you made a

mistake. For Pisces Asc the 8th Lord is Venus. Where is Venus in your

chart? Since Jupiter (Asc. Lord, right?) is in a dvi-svabhav sign

- you have along lifespan if Venus is in a sthira sign

- a medium lifespan if Venus is in a dvi-svabhav sign

- a short lifespan if Venus is in a chara sign

I'm doing this cursorily and quickly, please double check everthing

before taking it too seriously.

Yours,

Vic

On May 30, 2008, at 10:07 AM, anjana_hv wrote:

> what if one's asc lord or 8th house lord falls in dual sign(s).

>

> eg, my asc pisces lord jupiter in pisces(dual) and 7th house lord

> budha in gemini(dual)?

>

> or

>

> eg, my son's asc lord satrun in leo(sthira) and 8th house lord budha

> in aquarius(sthira) so it means short lived... which means 5th

> nakshatra (Shravana) i.e satrun dasa starts around 96 yrs of his age..

>

> Please explain

>

> thanks

> Anjana

>

> jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

> >

> > i've been advised to look at the sign of the asc lord and 8th lord.

> if

> > both are stira, life is short. if one is sthira and the other

> chara,

> > life is medium, if both are chara life is long.

> >

> > With this I figure the " base longevity " and then modify it

> > conservatively with any other longevity indications in the chart.

> >

> > From what I understand, Parashara Muni says that short lived

> people

> > will die in the mahadasha of the nakshatra ruler 5 stars away from

> > their lunar birth nakshatra, medium lived people will die 7 stars

> > away, and long lived people 9 stars away.

> >

> > This put's my wife's life expectancy in her 50s. Which I am not

> too

> > happy about, needless to say... but also does not jive with what a

> > professional vedic astrologer told her (closer to 75). so i am

> trying

> > to make sense of the whole thing

> >

> > On May 30, 2008, at 5:01 AM, anjana_hv wrote:

> >

> > > Can any one let me know how to catagorise Alpayu/Madhyayu/Purnayu

> > > from one's chart?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Anjana

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vic,

> > > >

> > > > //My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we do

> > > so?//

> > > >

> > > > I think I have already hinted the answer in my previous mail:

> > > >

> > > > " Care should be taken to see which planets qualify being a

> maraka

> > > from multiple possibilities stated above. That way we could

> separate

> > > the weak marakas from strong marakas in a chart. "

> > > >

> > > > That means, if a given planet qualifies to be a maraka from many

> > > angles, it can be qualified as a strong maraka. However, death may

> > > not come during the dasha of the strongest maraka. That is

> because,

> > > one should check if the native falls into alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu

> > > category and what dashas are operative during those specific

> periods.

> > > Also, one should consider whether a given planet is exalted,

> > > debilitated, vargottama or combust etc. and draw conclusions

> > > appropriately.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: Dear

> > > Krishna,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, that's really what my question is. We identify the maraka's

> > > as

> > > > those who

> > > >

> > > > - own 2 or 7

> > > > - occupy 2 or 7 (lagna or chandra)

> > > > - are in conjunction with any of the above.

> > > >

> > > > As you mention, this potentially produces quate a few planets.

> Now

> > > we

> > > > come to the task of sorting out the week Makara's from the

> strong

> > > > ones. My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we

> > > do so?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again for your help.

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On May 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Vic,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would be happy if you drop 'ji'.

> > > > >

> > > > > //What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?//

> > > > >

> > > > > Any planet can become a maraka for the chart based on the

> > > following:

> > > > >

> > > > > - By owning 2nd or 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > > > > - By occupying 2nd of 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > > > > - Being in conjunction with the above planets

> > > > >

> > > > > B V Raman states that in addition to 2nd and 7th, one should

> > > also

> > > > > consider the 3rd and 8th bhavas as well. This makes

> practically

> > > all

> > > > > planets having the ability to become a maraka. Care should be

> > > taken

> > > > > to see which planets qualify being a maraka from multiple

> > > > > possibliites stated above. That way we could separate the weak

> > > > > marakas from strong marakas in a chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: Dear Krishnaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

> > > doubt

> > > > > > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition

> > > in

> > > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

> > > > >

> > > > > > Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to

> point

> > > me to

> > > > > identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am

> > > having

> > > > > great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > Vic

> > > > >

> > > > > On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vic,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

> > > doubt

> > > > > > that any planet can cause death depending on its

> disposition in

> > > > > > chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vic D wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained

> > > here. As

> > > > > > best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that

> > > *any*

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone

> > > please

> > > > > walk me

> > > > > > through the prediction of a date of death as a practical

> > > example?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks so much,

> > > > > > Vic

> > > > > >

May 30, 2008

Please accept my apologies for yet another mistake in what i wrote.

Short lifespans = 3 asterisms

Medium = 5

long = 7

ref: BPHS 44:15-21

Sincere apologies,

Vic

On May 30, 2008, at 10:07 AM, anjana_hv wrote:

> what if one's asc lord or 8th house lord falls in dual sign(s).

>

> eg, my asc pisces lord jupiter in pisces(dual) and 7th house lord

> budha in gemini(dual)?

>

> or

>

> eg, my son's asc lord satrun in leo(sthira) and 8th house lord budha

> in aquarius(sthira) so it means short lived... which means 5th

> nakshatra (Shravana) i.e satrun dasa starts around 96 yrs of his age..

>

> Please explain

>

> thanks

> Anjana

>

> jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

> >

> > i've been advised to look at the sign of the asc lord and 8th lord.

> if

> > both are stira, life is short. if one is sthira and the other

> chara,

> > life is medium, if both are chara life is long.

> >

> > With this I figure the " base longevity " and then modify it

> > conservatively with any other longevity indications in the chart.

> >

> > From what I understand, Parashara Muni says that short lived

> people

> > will die in the mahadasha of the nakshatra ruler 5 stars away from

> > their lunar birth nakshatra, medium lived people will die 7 stars

> > away, and long lived people 9 stars away.

> >

> > This put's my wife's life expectancy in her 50s. Which I am not

> too

> > happy about, needless to say... but also does not jive with what a

> > professional vedic astrologer told her (closer to 75). so i am

> trying

> > to make sense of the whole thing

> >

> > On May 30, 2008, at 5:01 AM, anjana_hv wrote:

> >

> > > Can any one let me know how to catagorise Alpayu/Madhyayu/Purnayu

> > > from one's chart?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Anjana

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vic,

> > > >

> > > > //My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we do

> > > so?//

> > > >

> > > > I think I have already hinted the answer in my previous mail:

> > > >

> > > > " Care should be taken to see which planets qualify being a

> maraka

> > > from multiple possibilities stated above. That way we could

> separate

> > > the weak marakas from strong marakas in a chart. "

> > > >

> > > > That means, if a given planet qualifies to be a maraka from many

> > > angles, it can be qualified as a strong maraka. However, death may

> > > not come during the dasha of the strongest maraka. That is

> because,

> > > one should check if the native falls into alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu

> > > category and what dashas are operative during those specific

> periods.

> > > Also, one should consider whether a given planet is exalted,

> > > debilitated, vargottama or combust etc. and draw conclusions

> > > appropriately.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: Dear

> > > Krishna,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, that's really what my question is. We identify the maraka's

> > > as

> > > > those who

> > > >

> > > > - own 2 or 7

> > > > - occupy 2 or 7 (lagna or chandra)

> > > > - are in conjunction with any of the above.

> > > >

> > > > As you mention, this potentially produces quate a few planets.

> Now

> > > we

> > > > come to the task of sorting out the week Makara's from the

> strong

> > > > ones. My question narrows down to this... On what criteria do we

> > > do so?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again for your help.

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On May 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Vic,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would be happy if you drop 'ji'.

> > > > >

> > > > > //What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?//

> > > > >

> > > > > Any planet can become a maraka for the chart based on the

> > > following:

> > > > >

> > > > > - By owning 2nd or 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > > > > - By occupying 2nd of 7th from Moon or Lagna

> > > > > - Being in conjunction with the above planets

> > > > >

> > > > > B V Raman states that in addition to 2nd and 7th, one should

> > > also

> > > > > consider the 3rd and 8th bhavas as well. This makes

> practically

> > > all

> > > > > planets having the ability to become a maraka. Care should be

> > > taken

> > > > > to see which planets qualify being a maraka from multiple

> > > > > possibliites stated above. That way we could separate the weak

> > > > > marakas from strong marakas in a chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: Dear Krishnaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

> > > doubt

> > > > > > that any planet can cause death depending on its disposition

> > > in

> > > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > What dispositions empower a planet to be the killer?

> > > > >

> > > > > > Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS, ch44 ... Srila Parashara Muni seems to be trying to

> point

> > > me to

> > > > > identifying specific planets based on their Lordships. I am

> > > having

> > > > > great difficulty getting a practical grasp on this chapter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > Vic

> > > > >

> > > > > On May 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vic,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Based on the charts I have studied, I can sate without any

> > > doubt

> > > > > > that any planet can cause death depending on its

> disposition in

> > > > > > chart. Why do you think it is otherwise?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vic D wrote: http://JyotishVidya.com/ch44.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I *really* need help figuring out what is being explained

> > > here. As

> > > > > > best I can understand it Parashara is almost saying that

> > > *any*

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > can bring death. There are so many options! Can someone

> > > please

> > > > > walk me

> > > > > > through the prediction of a date of death as a practical

> > > example?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks so much,

> > > > > > Vic

> > > > > >

May 30, 2008

I would like to address a point raised by Su and Prashant (sorry if i

missed the name - i know it's not " astrodesk " and i know it's not

" best wishes " )

On May 30, 2008, at 6:07 PM, vreality_au wrote:

> Should we do that which we deem important only at the promise or

> threat of death? As one wise man said " we should live each moment as

> if Death were sitting upon our shoulders " .

>

On May 30, 2008, at 11:05 AM, astro desk wrote:

> there ia draw back in this too as Bhagavad geetha says the one who

> thinks of

> me [god ] in his last moment will reach me, imagine all the

> unlawful,criminal people doing this...

Su - *should* we only do important things when we are reminded of

death? No we shouldn't but (as you noted) YES we do. We are humans. We

forget things unless we are reminded. That's why reminders are helpful

to our progress and fruitful life. That's why I think including an

expected lifespan is a very great service to provide in the reading of

a birth chart to a person over the age of 20.

Prashant - I can't let this reference to Gita go unreplied to.

Obeisance to Srila Vishvanath Chakravarti for his genius commentary on

Gita which illumites the following point: The shlok you quote

( " Whomever remembers me at the time of death shall come to me. " ) is

the 5th shlok in Chapter 8. In response Arjun's eyebrows raise in

disbelief. Thus the next shlok krishna supports his statement

logically, saying, " **whatever** occupies your mind at the moment of

death will draw your consciousness to your next destination " .

Still Arjun has doubts - in fact, the very same doubt that you have

expressed - " therefore a hellish person who never once had a pious

thought in his life can just stick a picture of you in front of his

face when he dies and thus attain Vaikunth??? "

Krishna replies in Shlok 7: You cannot artificially control your mind

at the moment of death. Even with a picture of me in front of you,

your mind will fixate only upon the things to which it has developed

the habbit of attachment to throughout the days and nights of your

lifetime. " Therefore you should *always* think of me! "

And Sklok 8 confirms: The only one who can remember God at death is

one who has meditated upon Him consistently throughout life ( " na anya

gamina cetasa " ).

Rest of the chapter is then a reply to Arjun's next request... " since

i should meditate on you regularly - HOW should i do so? "

THANKS,

Vic

May 30, 2008

Dear Vic

u got the essense right, my point was already said in similar lines and I

just added them in the end

and also remember the line where i said

whatever u want to achive at the end of the road must be worked upon along

the road.[ can't happen like pressing a switch on, on a device]

and the slokas u added do emphasise the same more clearly

and how to do this one way I had already gien y'day

and if this is blended with one of our other riders that work is worship and

helping humanity is worship in itself [manava seva is Madhava seva] these

energies of serving /meditating on God thru service to humanity [community

at least] will become part of our breath, life.

Best wishes

PRASHANT KUMAR

[u r right my name is always signed below.]

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

> I would like to address a point raised by Su and Prashant (sorry if i

> missed the name - i know it's not " astrodesk " and i know it's not

> " best wishes " )

>

> On May 30, 2008, at 6:07 PM, vreality_au wrote:

> > Should we do that which we deem important only at the promise or

> > threat of death? As one wise man said " we should live each moment as

> > if Death were sitting upon our shoulders " .

> >

> On May 30, 2008, at 11:05 AM, astro desk wrote:

> > there ia draw back in this too as Bhagavad geetha says the one who

> > thinks of

> > me [god ] in his last moment will reach me, imagine all the

> > unlawful,criminal people doing this...

>

> Su - *should* we only do important things when we are reminded of

> death? No we shouldn't but (as you noted) YES we do. We are humans. We

> forget things unless we are reminded. That's why reminders are helpful

> to our progress and fruitful life. That's why I think including an

> expected lifespan is a very great service to provide in the reading of

> a birth chart to a person over the age of 20.

>

> Prashant - I can't let this reference to Gita go unreplied to.

> Obeisance to Srila Vishvanath Chakravarti for his genius commentary on

> Gita which illumites the following point: The shlok you quote

> ( " Whomever remembers me at the time of death shall come to me. " ) is

> the 5th shlok in Chapter 8. In response Arjun's eyebrows raise in

> disbelief. Thus the next shlok krishna supports his statement

> logically, saying, " **whatever** occupies your mind at the moment of

> death will draw your consciousness to your next destination " .

>

> Still Arjun has doubts - in fact, the very same doubt that you have

> expressed - " therefore a hellish person who never once had a pious

> thought in his life can just stick a picture of you in front of his

> face when he dies and thus attain Vaikunth??? "

>

> Krishna replies in Shlok 7: You cannot artificially control your mind

> at the moment of death. Even with a picture of me in front of you,

> your mind will fixate only upon the things to which it has developed

> the habbit of attachment to throughout the days and nights of your

> lifetime. " Therefore you should *always* think of me! "

>

> And Sklok 8 confirms: The only one who can remember God at death is

> one who has meditated upon Him consistently throughout life ( " na anya

> gamina cetasa " ).

>

> Rest of the chapter is then a reply to Arjun's next request... " since

> i should meditate on you regularly - HOW should i do so? "

>

> THANKS,

> Vic

>

May 30, 2008

Dear Prashant,

//now to improve ur skills I am sure u have heard of the1 2 books

ASTROLOGY OF DEATH by robert Hauck

Planets inOrbit [transit] by Mahendra pratap singh [this covers transits

at

various levels and its outcome and during maraka periods what the

transits

can indicate.//

I can't remember (exactly) now, but hadn't Robert Hauck boldly predicted

his own death to be in old age...at least not at the age of 54 when he

actually passed away (from Cancer I believe)?

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

-

" astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:05 AM

Re: Re: Predicting Date of Death

Dear Vic

Death is not a subject to be easily given as a reading to anyone.

Astrology

is about life, hope, direction, coming out of a dark phase, seeing light

at

the end of the tunnel....in the process we may see some good predictions

hitting the bulls eye but that is not the scope, we 1st have to lift

people

out of a tough pahse and help them move on.

Bhaskar is right in his saying it is not a subject to predict before hand

and it is given only when necessary

say to a suffering or terminally sick person

to someone where he is a job of risk say armed forces, cops etc

as the family has a stake in it.

you r right death is dealt in extensively by classics in knowing it and

as

u wud have seen there many parameters, combinations, dasa levels,

transits

etc to synchronise them and this u will do only for the needy in all

other

cases u will come close to it and give up on ur own. [...lets see later]

u need to know the rules, and methods well even to do it

now to improve ur skills I am sure u have heard of the1 2 books

ASTROLOGY OF DEATH by robert Hauck

Planets inOrbit [transit] by Mahendra pratap singh [this covers transits

at

various levels and its outcome and during maraka periods what the

transits

can indicate.

AS FAR AS PLANNING U ARE PARTLY RIGHT

as if u have got a gist of the Ashramas system

the 1st Brahamacharya and last vanaprastha are socialist in nature

in between u r in a capatilist world but the shades of socialsitic life

at

the early academic life will make u less greedy, avaracious and will

allow u

to time ur vavaprastha in grace

and in both phases they gave back a lot ot nature [natural forest guards,

keepers, groomers]

and what u cud probably sharpen is by mixing ur thots with the ones u got

from every one here

and u need to live all what u want to do in vanaprashta in some % even

now

some charity in terms of cahs, time with a old age home or orphanage or

disaster struck community

if u look at how Mumbai people did help one another during floods, or

comunal strifes is amazing people distribute food water, clothing free to

as

many as they can this involves not only pooling money but they cook,

serve

one another, rich or poor irrespective of community, religion these

people r

models to look forward to as they have seen many hard times and they

share

what they made in good times with the people in bad times even when they

r

part of it

*whatever we want to do it is not at the end of the road but along the

road*

there ia draw back in this too as Bhagavad geetha says the one who thinks

of

me [god ] in his last moment will reach me, imagine all the

unlawful,criminal people doing this...

as I remember one case who requests us regularly to know when he is

likely

to die as he will ask his doctor to give him a cyanide pill, doesnt want

to

suffer at the time of death

we have predicted as said to rerminally ill people on the tithi, vara

nakshatra, masa, phase of the day etc. [this is how our rishis have laid

it] just to the selct few I had alrready said.

nevertheless a good question and does help us know and make life more

meaningfil.

Best wishes

May 30, 2008

Dear Vic,

First of all, let me acknowledge that

I am extremely pleased to know that

you do have the knowledge ( Essence) of the

Bhagavad Gita, as I read in one of your mails

some time back. It is very true that one

cannot think about the Lord,at his last moment,

unless one has practised this daily and

regularly, in his Life.

Now coming to where has Shri Parashar Muni written

about not predicting death to people ?

I was taught Karate ten years back, by a Teacher,

halg younger to my age, than me. He taught me

the moves, but never instructed me, not to hit anyone

walking on the road, or whom I felt distasteful etc.

I saw a person who eats broken glasses and demonstrates

this on television shows, but I am sure that he

would not offer this to others who are watching him.

Same way if one enjoys calculating death of others,

let it be his enjoyment, but not ask the Horoscope

owner to partake in his share of enjoyment.

One mans sugar may be another ones posion ( To a diabetic ).

These matters ( The one in question) are understood and not

to be told blatantly. One has to be selective in such matters.

Shri Parashar Muni may also have given us combinations for

unchaste women, and because he has not asked us to avoid

predicting this, and for the fact that he has mentioned this

combination, does not give me the right to mention to

a women when i see this combination that " You are unchaste " .

Rahu in 7th may make the native ( IF other configurations too

confirm) , go to seek pleasures with widows or women older

than him, or of lower class, but I cannot of course mention

this to any Birth chart owner whenever I see this placement.

In same way. devoting a chapter on Death or determination of

longevity, does not imply that we start calculating the death

period for everyone and inform them. Shri parashar Muni

has mentioned hundreds and hundreds of such important matters,

which is like a surgeons Knife, and cannot be used just

by anybody or on Anybody, specially unless and until

one attains a Surgeons degree, and knows when and how and

upon whom to use the knife.

I have many reasons for not informing a person, even

if i see his death - point blank, which need not be

mentioned here, as they are understood, and also because

my teachers of Jyotish, have forbade us students never to

predict death or any such grave calamity and put fear

in native, who has come to us with some hope and wish

of listening positive.

I wish I had the time to write more and more. I am

seeing good discussions coming from anyone after a very

very long period.

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Dear Bhashkar,

>

> Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please explain

> yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of

your

> point of view and adopt it.

>

> You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless

> necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni

gives

> the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that

> should not usually be done?

>

> You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I

would

> like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning

as

> to why I do believe it is a blessing:

>

> In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our

death.

> If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly.

For

> example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I

will

> have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the

normal

> ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice

thing

> to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities

> appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely

going

> to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit

my

> stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids

and

> wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see?

>

> Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with a

far

> off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But this

is

> true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking it.

>

> I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous.

This

> is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with

> accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to

a " client "

> like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough wisdom

> about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are

multiple

> possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself.

>

> So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you

hold

> the strong feelings that you hold on this subject.

>

> Thank you,

> Vic

>

> On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

>

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > Its not easy to predict death.

> > Its not allowed to predict death to the native

> > unless necessary.

> > Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least.

> > At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death.

> >

> > I close my contribution to this thread with the above.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhashkar,

> > >

> > > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely death

is

> > > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being able

> > to

> > > set his own time of death.

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > > Vic

> > >

> > > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > There are many and various ways and pointers

> > > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of

> > > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

> > > > of these may be empowered to kill the native.

> > > > The point to be understood is the application

> > > > part, and its utility.

> > > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a

> > > > native who has just suffered a heart attack,

> > > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique

> > > > has to be himself empowered to know

> > > > whether this attack would be survived by the

> > > > native., or suppose the same native had

> > > > met the astrologer six months before this attack

> > > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power

> > > > to identify the incoming calamity, through

> > > > any of the killer planets involved as being

> > > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

> > > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

> > > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

> > > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

> > > > in advance, to make his will, so

> > > > that the survivors do not fight it out

> > > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

> > > > lie in peace after his death.

> > > >

> > > > The point of this discussion or any astrological

> > > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

> > > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

> > > > planets would be involved which would depend on

> > > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

> > > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

> > > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

> > > > utility of the query.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pandiyan,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@>

> > > > wrote: Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also

> > > > empowered

> > > > > to kill a native.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

> > > > >

May 30, 2008

Dear Bhaskar,

Well said. as usual your talent and poetic abilities as well as your time

earned abilities and energy put into Jyotish make a great contribution and

point. How nice to have this ability to subtly express your thoughts so

well. Thanks for sharing this.

Kindest wishes,

Patrice

_____

Dear Vic,

First of all, let me acknowledge that

I am extremely pleased to know that

you do have the knowledge ( Essence) of the

Bhagavad Gita, as I read in one of your mails

some time back. It is very true that one

cannot think about the Lord,at his last moment,

unless one has practised this daily and

regularly, in his Life.

Now coming to where has Shri Parashar Muni written

about not predicting death to people ?

I was taught Karate ten years back, by a Teacher,

halg younger to my age, than me. He taught me

the moves, but never instructed me, not to hit anyone

walking on the road, or whom I felt distasteful etc.

I saw a person who eats broken glasses and demonstrates

this on television shows, but I am sure that he

would not offer this to others who are watching him.

Same way if one enjoys calculating death of others,

let it be his enjoyment, but not ask the Horoscope

owner to partake in his share of enjoyment.

One mans sugar may be another ones posion ( To a diabetic ).

These matters ( The one in question) are understood and not

to be told blatantly. One has to be selective in such matters.

Shri Parashar Muni may also have given us combinations for

unchaste women, and because he has not asked us to avoid

predicting this, and for the fact that he has mentioned this

combination, does not give me the right to mention to

a women when i see this combination that " You are unchaste " .

Rahu in 7th may make the native ( IF other configurations too

confirm) , go to seek pleasures with widows or women older

than him, or of lower class, but I cannot of course mention

this to any Birth chart owner whenever I see this placement.

In same way. devoting a chapter on Death or determination of

longevity, does not imply that we start calculating the death

period for everyone and inform them. Shri parashar Muni

has mentioned hundreds and hundreds of such important matters,

which is like a surgeons Knife, and cannot be used just

by anybody or on Anybody, specially unless and until

one attains a Surgeons degree, and knows when and how and

upon whom to use the knife.

I have many reasons for not informing a person, even

if i see his death - point blank, which need not be

mentioned here, as they are understood, and also because

my teachers of Jyotish, have forbade us students never to

predict death or any such grave calamity and put fear

in native, who has come to us with some hope and wish

of listening positive.

I wish I had the time to write more and more. I am

seeing good discussions coming from anyone after a very

very long period.

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40>

, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Dear Bhashkar,

>

> Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please explain

> yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of

your

> point of view and adopt it.

>

> You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless

> necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni

gives

> the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that

> should not usually be done?

>

> You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I

would

> like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning

as

> to why I do believe it is a blessing:

>

> In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our

death.

> If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly.

For

> example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I

will

> have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the

normal

> ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice

thing

> to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities

> appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely

going

> to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit

my

> stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids

and

> wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see?

>

> Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with a

far

> off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But this

is

> true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking it.

>

> I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous.

This

> is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with

> accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to

a " client "

> like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough wisdom

> about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are

multiple

> possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself.

>

> So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you

hold

> the strong feelings that you hold on this subject.

>

> Thank you,

> Vic

>

> On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

>

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > Its not easy to predict death.

> > Its not allowed to predict death to the native

> > unless necessary.

> > Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least.

> > At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death.

> >

> > I close my contribution to this thread with the above.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40>

, Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhashkar,

> > >

> > > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely death

is

> > > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being able

> > to

> > > set his own time of death.

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > > Vic

> > >

> > > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > There are many and various ways and pointers

> > > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of

> > > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

> > > > of these may be empowered to kill the native.

> > > > The point to be understood is the application

> > > > part, and its utility.

> > > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a

> > > > native who has just suffered a heart attack,

> > > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique

> > > > has to be himself empowered to know

> > > > whether this attack would be survived by the

> > > > native., or suppose the same native had

> > > > met the astrologer six months before this attack

> > > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power

> > > > to identify the incoming calamity, through

> > > > any of the killer planets involved as being

> > > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

> > > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

> > > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

> > > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

> > > > in advance, to make his will, so

> > > > that the survivors do not fight it out

> > > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

> > > > lie in peace after his death.

> > > >

> > > > The point of this discussion or any astrological

> > > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

> > > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

> > > > planets would be involved which would depend on

> > > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

> > > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

> > > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

> > > > utility of the query.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40>

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pandiyan,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@>

> > > > wrote: Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are also

> > > > empowered

> > > > > to kill a native.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

> > > > >

May 30, 2008

Dear Vic,

Nevertheless,

You are a sincere seeker of astrological

knowledge.

I will write in further mails, few ways to determine

the death periods, or to put it positively, the

life span or longevity of the native.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> First of all, let me acknowledge that

> I am extremely pleased to know that

> you do have the knowledge ( Essence) of the

> Bhagavad Gita, as I read in one of your mails

> some time back. It is very true that one

> cannot think about the Lord,at his last moment,

> unless one has practised this daily and

> regularly, in his Life.

>

> Now coming to where has Shri Parashar Muni written

> about not predicting death to people ?

>

> I was taught Karate ten years back, by a Teacher,

> halg younger to my age, than me. He taught me

> the moves, but never instructed me, not to hit anyone

> walking on the road, or whom I felt distasteful etc.

> I saw a person who eats broken glasses and demonstrates

> this on television shows, but I am sure that he

> would not offer this to others who are watching him.

> Same way if one enjoys calculating death of others,

> let it be his enjoyment, but not ask the Horoscope

> owner to partake in his share of enjoyment.

>

> One mans sugar may be another ones posion ( To a diabetic ).

>

> These matters ( The one in question) are understood and not

> to be told blatantly. One has to be selective in such matters.

> Shri Parashar Muni may also have given us combinations for

> unchaste women, and because he has not asked us to avoid

> predicting this, and for the fact that he has mentioned this

> combination, does not give me the right to mention to

> a women when i see this combination that " You are unchaste " .

> Rahu in 7th may make the native ( IF other configurations too

> confirm) , go to seek pleasures with widows or women older

> than him, or of lower class, but I cannot of course mention

> this to any Birth chart owner whenever I see this placement.

>

> In same way. devoting a chapter on Death or determination of

> longevity, does not imply that we start calculating the death

> period for everyone and inform them. Shri parashar Muni

> has mentioned hundreds and hundreds of such important matters,

> which is like a surgeons Knife, and cannot be used just

> by anybody or on Anybody, specially unless and until

> one attains a Surgeons degree, and knows when and how and

> upon whom to use the knife.

>

> I have many reasons for not informing a person, even

> if i see his death - point blank, which need not be

> mentioned here, as they are understood, and also because

> my teachers of Jyotish, have forbade us students never to

> predict death or any such grave calamity and put fear

> in native, who has come to us with some hope and wish

> of listening positive.

>

> I wish I had the time to write more and more. I am

> seeing good discussions coming from anyone after a very

> very long period.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhashkar,

> >

> > Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please

explain

> > yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of

> your

> > point of view and adopt it.

> >

> > You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless

> > necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni

> gives

> > the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that

> > should not usually be done?

> >

> > You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I

> would

> > like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning

> as

> > to why I do believe it is a blessing:

> >

> > In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our

> death.

> > If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly.

> For

> > example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I

> will

> > have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the

> normal

> > ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice

> thing

> > to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities

> > appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely

> going

> > to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit

> my

> > stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids

> and

> > wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see?

> >

> > Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with

a

> far

> > off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But

this

> is

> > true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking

it.

> >

> > I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous.

> This

> > is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with

> > accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to

> a " client "

> > like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough

wisdom

> > about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are

> multiple

> > possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself.

> >

> > So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you

> hold

> > the strong feelings that you hold on this subject.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Vic

> >

> > On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Vic,

> > >

> > > Its not easy to predict death.

> > > Its not allowed to predict death to the native

> > > unless necessary.

> > > Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least.

> > > At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death.

> > >

> > > I close my contribution to this thread with the above.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhashkar,

> > > >

> > > > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely

death

> is

> > > > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being

able

> > > to

> > > > set his own time of death.

> > > >

> > > > Yours,

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many and various ways and pointers

> > > > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of

> > > > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

> > > > > of these may be empowered to kill the native.

> > > > > The point to be understood is the application

> > > > > part, and its utility.

> > > > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a

> > > > > native who has just suffered a heart attack,

> > > > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique

> > > > > has to be himself empowered to know

> > > > > whether this attack would be survived by the

> > > > > native., or suppose the same native had

> > > > > met the astrologer six months before this attack

> > > > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power

> > > > > to identify the incoming calamity, through

> > > > > any of the killer planets involved as being

> > > > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

> > > > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

> > > > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

> > > > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

> > > > > in advance, to make his will, so

> > > > > that the survivors do not fight it out

> > > > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

> > > > > lie in peace after his death.

> > > > >

> > > > > The point of this discussion or any astrological

> > > > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

> > > > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

> > > > > planets would be involved which would depend on

> > > > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

> > > > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

> > > > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

> > > > > utility of the query.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pandiyan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@>

> > > > > wrote: Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are

also

> > > > > empowered

> > > > > > to kill a native.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

> > > > > >

May 30, 2008

Dear Patrice.

Thanks for being generous.

And nice to see you after 1 billion years..

Its Mrs.Wendys kindness that she allows me

most of the times,to express my thoughts, as long

as I do not lean overboard, and when she does

object, I do not mind at all.

I find it affectionate.

Its enjoyable to share freely with Astrological

colleagues, as their level of intelligence is certainly

more than average, and the sharing is really sweet

juice to the soul.

The feeling of oneness when sharing on such forums,

makes one delve deeper and deeper into it.

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " Patrice Curry "

<patricecurry wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Well said. as usual your talent and poetic abilities as well as

your time

> earned abilities and energy put into Jyotish make a great

contribution and

> point. How nice to have this ability to subtly express your

thoughts so

> well. Thanks for sharing this.

>

> Kindest wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

> _____

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> First of all, let me acknowledge that

> I am extremely pleased to know that

> you do have the knowledge ( Essence) of the

> Bhagavad Gita, as I read in one of your mails

> some time back. It is very true that one

> cannot think about the Lord,at his last moment,

> unless one has practised this daily and

> regularly, in his Life.

>

> Now coming to where has Shri Parashar Muni written

> about not predicting death to people ?

>

> I was taught Karate ten years back, by a Teacher,

> halg younger to my age, than me. He taught me

> the moves, but never instructed me, not to hit anyone

> walking on the road, or whom I felt distasteful etc.

> I saw a person who eats broken glasses and demonstrates

> this on television shows, but I am sure that he

> would not offer this to others who are watching him.

> Same way if one enjoys calculating death of others,

> let it be his enjoyment, but not ask the Horoscope

> owner to partake in his share of enjoyment.

>

> One mans sugar may be another ones posion ( To a diabetic ).

>

> These matters ( The one in question) are understood and not

> to be told blatantly. One has to be selective in such matters.

> Shri Parashar Muni may also have given us combinations for

> unchaste women, and because he has not asked us to avoid

> predicting this, and for the fact that he has mentioned this

> combination, does not give me the right to mention to

> a women when i see this combination that " You are unchaste " .

> Rahu in 7th may make the native ( IF other configurations too

> confirm) , go to seek pleasures with widows or women older

> than him, or of lower class, but I cannot of course mention

> this to any Birth chart owner whenever I see this placement.

>

> In same way. devoting a chapter on Death or determination of

> longevity, does not imply that we start calculating the death

> period for everyone and inform them. Shri parashar Muni

> has mentioned hundreds and hundreds of such important matters,

> which is like a surgeons Knife, and cannot be used just

> by anybody or on Anybody, specially unless and until

> one attains a Surgeons degree, and knows when and how and

> upon whom to use the knife.

>

> I have many reasons for not informing a person, even

> if i see his death - point blank, which need not be

> mentioned here, as they are understood, and also because

> my teachers of Jyotish, have forbade us students never to

> predict death or any such grave calamity and put fear

> in native, who has come to us with some hope and wish

> of listening positive.

>

> I wish I had the time to write more and more. I am

> seeing good discussions coming from anyone after a very

> very long period.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40>

> , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhashkar,

> >

> > Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please explain

> > yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of

> your

> > point of view and adopt it.

> >

> > You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless

> > necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni

> gives

> > the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that

> > should not usually be done?

> >

> > You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I

> would

> > like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning

> as

> > to why I do believe it is a blessing:

> >

> > In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our

> death.

> > If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly.

> For

> > example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I

> will

> > have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the

> normal

> > ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice

> thing

> > to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities

> > appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely

> going

> > to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit

> my

> > stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids

> and

> > wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see?

> >

> > Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with

a

> far

> > off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But

this

> is

> > true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking

it.

> >

> > I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous.

> This

> > is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with

> > accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to

> a " client "

> > like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough

wisdom

> > about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are

> multiple

> > possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself.

> >

> > So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you

> hold

> > the strong feelings that you hold on this subject.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Vic

> >

> > On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Vic,

> > >

> > > Its not easy to predict death.

> > > Its not allowed to predict death to the native

> > > unless necessary.

> > > Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least.

> > > At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death.

> > >

> > > I close my contribution to this thread with the above.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40>

> , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhashkar,

> > > >

> > > > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely

death

> is

> > > > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being

able

> > > to

> > > > set his own time of death.

> > > >

> > > > Yours,

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many and various ways and pointers

> > > > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of

> > > > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

> > > > > of these may be empowered to kill the native.

> > > > > The point to be understood is the application

> > > > > part, and its utility.

> > > > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a

> > > > > native who has just suffered a heart attack,

> > > > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique

> > > > > has to be himself empowered to know

> > > > > whether this attack would be survived by the

> > > > > native., or suppose the same native had

> > > > > met the astrologer six months before this attack

> > > > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power

> > > > > to identify the incoming calamity, through

> > > > > any of the killer planets involved as being

> > > > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

> > > > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

> > > > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

> > > > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

> > > > > in advance, to make his will, so

> > > > > that the survivors do not fight it out

> > > > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

> > > > > lie in peace after his death.

> > > > >

> > > > > The point of this discussion or any astrological

> > > > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

> > > > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

> > > > > planets would be involved which would depend on

> > > > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

> > > > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

> > > > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

> > > > > utility of the query.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%

40>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pandiyan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@>

> > > > > wrote: Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are

also

> > > > > empowered

> > > > > > to kill a native.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

> > > > > >

May 30, 2008

:-) Very sweet. thanks Bhaskar.

_____

Dear Patrice.

Thanks for being generous.

And nice to see you after 1 billion years..

Its Mrs.Wendys kindness that she allows me

most of the times,to express my thoughts, as long

as I do not lean overboard, and when she does

object, I do not mind at all.

I find it affectionate.

Its enjoyable to share freely with Astrological

colleagues, as their level of intelligence is certainly

more than average, and the sharing is really sweet

juice to the soul.

The feeling of oneness when sharing on such forums,

makes one delve deeper and deeper into it.

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40>

, " Patrice Curry "

<patricecurry wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Well said. as usual your talent and poetic abilities as well as

your time

> earned abilities and energy put into Jyotish make a great

contribution and

> point. How nice to have this ability to subtly express your

thoughts so

> well. Thanks for sharing this.

>

> Kindest wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

> _____

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> First of all, let me acknowledge that

> I am extremely pleased to know that

> you do have the knowledge ( Essence) of the

> Bhagavad Gita, as I read in one of your mails

> some time back. It is very true that one

> cannot think about the Lord,at his last moment,

> unless one has practised this daily and

> regularly, in his Life.

>

> Now coming to where has Shri Parashar Muni written

> about not predicting death to people ?

>

> I was taught Karate ten years back, by a Teacher,

> halg younger to my age, than me. He taught me

> the moves, but never instructed me, not to hit anyone

> walking on the road, or whom I felt distasteful etc.

> I saw a person who eats broken glasses and demonstrates

> this on television shows, but I am sure that he

> would not offer this to others who are watching him.

> Same way if one enjoys calculating death of others,

> let it be his enjoyment, but not ask the Horoscope

> owner to partake in his share of enjoyment.

>

> One mans sugar may be another ones posion ( To a diabetic ).

>

> These matters ( The one in question) are understood and not

> to be told blatantly. One has to be selective in such matters.

> Shri Parashar Muni may also have given us combinations for

> unchaste women, and because he has not asked us to avoid

> predicting this, and for the fact that he has mentioned this

> combination, does not give me the right to mention to

> a women when i see this combination that " You are unchaste " .

> Rahu in 7th may make the native ( IF other configurations too

> confirm) , go to seek pleasures with widows or women older

> than him, or of lower class, but I cannot of course mention

> this to any Birth chart owner whenever I see this placement.

>

> In same way. devoting a chapter on Death or determination of

> longevity, does not imply that we start calculating the death

> period for everyone and inform them. Shri parashar Muni

> has mentioned hundreds and hundreds of such important matters,

> which is like a surgeons Knife, and cannot be used just

> by anybody or on Anybody, specially unless and until

> one attains a Surgeons degree, and knows when and how and

> upon whom to use the knife.

>

> I have many reasons for not informing a person, even

> if i see his death - point blank, which need not be

> mentioned here, as they are understood, and also because

> my teachers of Jyotish, have forbade us students never to

> predict death or any such grave calamity and put fear

> in native, who has come to us with some hope and wish

> of listening positive.

>

> I wish I had the time to write more and more. I am

> seeing good discussions coming from anyone after a very

> very long period.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40>

> , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhashkar,

> >

> > Please don't end your contribution to this thread. Please explain

> > yourself further so that I can see if I should be convinced of

> your

> > point of view and adopt it.

> >

> > You say we are not allowed to predict the date of death unless

> > necessary. Where is this niyama regulation given? Parashara Muni

> gives

> > the topic an entire chapter, why would it then be something that

> > should not usually be done?

> >

> > You disagree that it is a blessing to know when one will die. I

> would

> > like to know your reasoning for this. I will explain my reasoning

> as

> > to why I do believe it is a blessing:

> >

> > In a very real sense, all of our life is a preparation for our

> death.

> > If you know when your death is coming you can plan accordingly.

> For

> > example, I know (of course, not with absolute certainty) that I

> will

> > have time to pursue renunciation and spiritual practices at the

> normal

> > ashramic periods of vanaprastha and sanyass. That is a very nice

> thing

> > to know. It helps me plan my life and my spiritual priorities

> > appropriately. On the converse if I found out that I was likely

> going

> > to die at age Forty - what a blessing that would be. I would quit

> my

> > stupid, annoying job. And stop being such a grump around my kids

> and

> > wife, and pick up my Japa Mala ASAP! You see?

> >

> > Of course there can also be negative implications. A person with

a

> far

> > off death may become lazy about religious practices, etc. But

this

> is

> > true of any knowledge the astrologer gives to the person seeking

it.

> >

> > I do agree that predicting a wrong death date is very calamitous.

> This

> > is why I am seeking help from all of you in how to do it with

> > accuracy. And I would not make an absolute proclamation to

> a " client "

> > like " You will die on xxx date " . I would couch it in enough

wisdom

> > about the probability of inaccuracy, the fact that there are

> multiple

> > possibilities, and the open ended nature of the future itself.

> >

> > So please do continue on this topic, as I wish to know why you

> hold

> > the strong feelings that you hold on this subject.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Vic

> >

> > On May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Vic,

> > >

> > > Its not easy to predict death.

> > > Its not allowed to predict death to the native

> > > unless necessary.

> > > Its not akin to Bheeshmas blessings, to the least.

> > > At times its dangerous to know the period of ones death.

> > >

> > > I close my contribution to this thread with the above.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40>

> , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhashkar,

> > > >

> > > > I believe the utility of knowing the date of one's likely

death

> is

> > > > immeasurable and almost akin to Bheeshmas blessing of being

able

> > > to

> > > > set his own time of death.

> > > >

> > > > Yours,

> > > > Vic

> > > >

> > > > On May 30, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many and various ways and pointers

> > > > > and also techniques, apart from which and any of

> > > > > the 9 Planets (Including the nodes )where any

> > > > > of these may be empowered to kill the native.

> > > > > The point to be understood is the application

> > > > > part, and its utility.

> > > > > For instance if some enquiry comes from a

> > > > > native who has just suffered a heart attack,

> > > > > the astrologer knowing any of such technique

> > > > > has to be himself empowered to know

> > > > > whether this attack would be survived by the

> > > > > native., or suppose the same native had

> > > > > met the astrologer six months before this attack

> > > > > has occured,does the astrologer have the power

> > > > > to identify the incoming calamity, through

> > > > > any of the killer planets involved as being

> > > > > activated by either appearing as one of the DBA

> > > > > Lords, or otherwise, apart from timing the

> > > > > natives death approximately, so as to confitm the

> > > > > impending death , and he may be informed accordingly

> > > > > in advance, to make his will, so

> > > > > that the survivors do not fight it out

> > > > > for the inheritance, and the natives soul would

> > > > > lie in peace after his death.

> > > > >

> > > > > The point of this discussion or any astrological

> > > > > one, has to invariably lead us to the identification

> > > > > part of the event occuring, prior to this - which

> > > > > planets would be involved which would depend on

> > > > > the particular ascendant, timing of the event as

> > > > > per the Dasha Lords and age at time of query, and the

> > > > > advantage accruing of identifying this event, or the

> > > > > utility of the query.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%

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> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pandiyan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are right. I missed mentioning it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pandiyanmudaliyar <pandiyanmudaliyar@>

> > > > > wrote: Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord of 22nd Drekkana and the Lord of 64th Navamsa are

also

> > > > > empowered

> > > > > > to kill a native.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar

> > > > > >

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