Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------ Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------ Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 This subject is very well translated in the book braht samhita by r.krishna viol II Two vol set Rs1100-= Contact: Neeru Khungar . Mobile 9810961160, 011- 23312187 SHOW ROOM 1108,AKASHDEEP BLDG. NEW DELHI 110001. INDIA E-mail bookgharinfo Website httf://www.bookghar.com Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 This subject is very well translated in the book braht samhita by r.krishna viol II Two vol set Rs1100-= Contact: Neeru Khungar . Mobile 9810961160, 011- 23312187 SHOW ROOM 1108,AKASHDEEP BLDG. NEW DELHI 110001. INDIA E-mail bookgharinfo Website httf://www.bookghar.com Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------ Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------ Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://www.. > > > > > comvedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Group info: http://www.. > > > > > > > > > > comvedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://www.. > > > > > comvedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Group info: http://www.. > > > > > > > > > > comvedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://www.. > > > > > comvedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Group info: http://www.. > > > > > > > > > > comvedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Pram ji, My interest lies in learning KP basics from you rather than any particular chart outcome. So I asked " what is a sub period and how to use it? " . In any event, lets take ( 3rd July 1979, 6.18am, Jaipur, Raj) my details; so the dasa period running is jupiter/jupiter, but according to your method, jupiter is in ashelesha which is ruled by Mercury; the " sub " ( as I look it up in JHora) is also of Mercury. So you are telling me that the results given in this dasa will not be of jupiter, but of mercury? which would be 1st, 2nd and 4th houses? Namaste; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 8:51:03 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav now give me birth particular for explaination. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://www.. > > > > > comvedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Group info: http://www.. > > > > > > > > > > comvedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------ Yes, I follow Parasara. Malefics in 3H gives courage and this should be in 3 from L, AL or Karakamsa depending on what type of parakrama You are talking about. ------ Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> yobrevol napisa?(a): > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Namaste Rafal ji et al, > > Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that > away > from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of > " parkrama " . > > thank you; > Gaurav > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, > starsuponme <starsuponme%40wp.pl> writes: > > II hraum namah adityaya II > Dear Gaurav , Namaskar > ------------------------- > Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native > will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then > the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms > Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different > opinion). > ------------------------- > Regards, > *Rafal Gendarz,* > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > > Tarun napisa?(a): > > > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > > aspect > > > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > > 3rd > > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > > delays their > > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > > > Namaste > > > yobrevol > > > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > > <tarun.virgo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > > and then > > > > see the impact. > > > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > > saying. > > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > > mode > > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > > person > > > > speak the > > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > > several > > > > other > > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > > hint of > > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > > from > > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > > never > > > > ever > > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > > general > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > > chart > > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > 40> > > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > > be, and > > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > > naisargika > > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > > aspects. I > > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > > be > > > > > considered. I > > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > > graha > > > > > aspect, only > > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > > 40> > > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > > notoriously > > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > > just > > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > > taken > > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > > never > > > > > hesitated > > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > > bother > > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > > perhaps > > > > > it is not > > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > > than > > > > just > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > > not > > > > > sound rude to > > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > > dont > > > > get > > > > > right job > > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > > problem in > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > > people , > > > > > ur voice > > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > > point > > > > > out the > > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > > authorative > > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > > govt > > > > kind > > > > > of body. > > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > > tht > > > > and > > > > > even u > > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 dear Gaurav now give me birth particular for explaination. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 New book = KRISHNAMURTHY JYOTISH RAHASYA =2 VOL IS VERY GOOD TO UNDERSTAND THIS AND ALSO FULL KP. LALIT yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Pram ji, My interest lies in learning KP basics from you rather than any particular chart outcome. So I asked " what is a sub period and how to use it? " . In any event, lets take ( 3rd July 1979, 6.18am, Jaipur, Raj) my details; so the dasa period running is jupiter/jupiter, but according to your method, jupiter is in ashelesha which is ruled by Mercury; the " sub " ( as I look it up in JHora) is also of Mercury. So you are telling me that the results given in this dasa will not be of jupiter, but of mercury? which would be 1st, 2nd and 4th houses? Namaste; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 8:51:03 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav now give me birth particular for explaination. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://www.. > > > > > comvedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Group info: http://www.. > > > > > > > > > > comvedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dear Gaurav You have 5 Dodging Planets in your horoscope. Jupiter/Jupiter (Mercury)will give result of 1st and 4th house and Venus (mars)will give result of 6th and 11th house. Lagna Sub Lord Mercury indicates that you are taking care of mother and searching of House. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Pram ji, My interest lies in learning KP basics from you rather than any particular chart outcome. So I asked " what is a sub period and how to use it? " . In any event, lets take ( 3rd July 1979, 6.18am, Jaipur, Raj) my details; so the dasa period running is jupiter/jupiter, but according to your method, jupiter is in ashelesha which is ruled by Mercury; the " sub " ( as I look it up in JHora) is also of Mercury. So you are telling me that the results given in this dasa will not be of jupiter, but of mercury? which would be 1st, 2nd and 4th houses? Namaste; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 8:51:03 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav now give me birth particular for explaination. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Aum Durgaye Namah Namaste Prem ji, Just curious, by your theory, why would jupiter not give results of the 2nd house (mercury occupant)? Gaurav In a message dated 3/14/2007 10:51:50 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav You have 5 Dodging Planets in your horoscope. Jupiter/Jupiter (Mercury)will give result of 1st and 4th house and Venus (mars)will give result of 6th and 11th house. Lagna Sub Lord Mercury indicates that you are taking care of mother and searching of House. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Pram ji, My interest lies in learning KP basics from you rather than any particular chart outcome. So I asked " what is a sub period and how to use it? " . In any event, lets take ( 3rd July 1979, 6.18am, Jaipur, Raj) my details; so the dasa period running is jupiter/jupiter, but according to your method, jupiter is in ashelesha which is ruled by Mercury; the " sub " ( as I look it up in JHora) is also of Mercury. So you are telling me that the results given in this dasa will not be of jupiter, but of mercury? which would be 1st, 2nd and 4th houses? Namaste; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 8:51:03 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav now give me birth particular for explaination. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://www.. > > > > > comvedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Group info: http://www.. > > > > > > > > > > comvedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Dear Gaurav As Jupiter is the agent of Star Lord so he is not allowed to give his own result. Do note this if the star lord is evil than Jupiter will give evil effects in his period. As U all Know it. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Aum Durgaye Namah Namaste Prem ji, Just curious, by your theory, why would jupiter not give results of the 2nd house (mercury occupant)? Gaurav In a message dated 3/14/2007 10:51:50 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav You have 5 Dodging Planets in your horoscope. Jupiter/Jupiter (Mercury)will give result of 1st and 4th house and Venus (mars)will give result of 6th and 11th house. Lagna Sub Lord Mercury indicates that you are taking care of mother and searching of House. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Pram ji, My interest lies in learning KP basics from you rather than any particular chart outcome. So I asked " what is a sub period and how to use it? " . In any event, lets take ( 3rd July 1979, 6.18am, Jaipur, Raj) my details; so the dasa period running is jupiter/jupiter, but according to your method, jupiter is in ashelesha which is ruled by Mercury; the " sub " ( as I look it up in JHora) is also of Mercury. So you are telling me that the results given in this dasa will not be of jupiter, but of mercury? which would be 1st, 2nd and 4th houses? Namaste; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 8:51:03 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav now give me birth particular for explaination. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Aum Durgaye Namah Namaste Prem ji, I understand what you are saying, but in principle ( as I have read) :- 1. the planet (agent) has to give results of the house occupied by the star lord, along with star lords owned houses. true? then jupiter should give results of 2nd house also where mercury is... 2. If no other planet is in the star of a said planet, then in its dasa, the said planet has to give own results also. true? so no other planet is in jupiter star, so doesn't jupiter has to give its own results also? I am just trying to learn this new system, so please help my learning. Namaste Gaurav ;In a message dated 3/21/2007 11:12:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav As Jupiter is the agent of Star Lord so he is not allowed to give his own result. Do note this if the star lord is evil than Jupiter will give evil effects in his period. As U all Know it. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Aum Durgaye Namah Namaste Prem ji, Just curious, by your theory, why would jupiter not give results of the 2nd house (mercury occupant)? Gaurav In a message dated 3/14/2007 10:51:50 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav You have 5 Dodging Planets in your horoscope. Jupiter/Jupiter (Mercury)will give result of 1st and 4th house and Venus (mars)will give result of 6th and 11th house. Lagna Sub Lord Mercury indicates that you are taking care of mother and searching of House. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Pram ji, My interest lies in learning KP basics from you rather than any particular chart outcome. So I asked " what is a sub period and how to use it? " . In any event, lets take ( 3rd July 1979, 6.18am, Jaipur, Raj) my details; so the dasa period running is jupiter/jupiter, but according to your method, jupiter is in ashelesha which is ruled by Mercury; the " sub " ( as I look it up in JHora) is also of Mercury. So you are telling me that the results given in this dasa will not be of jupiter, but of mercury? which would be 1st, 2nd and 4th houses? Namaste; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 8:51:03 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav now give me birth particular for explaination. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://www.. > > > > > comvedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Group info: http://www.. > > > > > > > > > > comvedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Dear Gaurav This means Jupiter will always be a agent not Boss any more or we can say Jupiter does not have authority to give result but can be a significator of the event act with others do not have powers alone. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Aum Durgaye Namah Namaste Prem ji, I understand what you are saying, but in principle ( as I have read) :- 1. the planet (agent) has to give results of the house occupied by the star lord, along with star lords owned houses. true? then jupiter should give results of 2nd house also where mercury is... 2. If no other planet is in the star of a said planet, then in its dasa, the said planet has to give own results also. true? so no other planet is in jupiter star, so doesn't jupiter has to give its own results also? I am just trying to learn this new system, so please help my learning. Namaste Gaurav ;In a message dated 3/21/2007 11:12:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav As Jupiter is the agent of Star Lord so he is not allowed to give his own result. Do note this if the star lord is evil than Jupiter will give evil effects in his period. As U all Know it. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Aum Durgaye Namah Namaste Prem ji, Just curious, by your theory, why would jupiter not give results of the 2nd house (mercury occupant)? Gaurav In a message dated 3/14/2007 10:51:50 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav You have 5 Dodging Planets in your horoscope. Jupiter/Jupiter (Mercury)will give result of 1st and 4th house and Venus (mars)will give result of 6th and 11th house. Lagna Sub Lord Mercury indicates that you are taking care of mother and searching of House. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Pram ji, My interest lies in learning KP basics from you rather than any particular chart outcome. So I asked " what is a sub period and how to use it? " . In any event, lets take ( 3rd July 1979, 6.18am, Jaipur, Raj) my details; so the dasa period running is jupiter/jupiter, but according to your method, jupiter is in ashelesha which is ruled by Mercury; the " sub " ( as I look it up in JHora) is also of Mercury. So you are telling me that the results given in this dasa will not be of jupiter, but of mercury? which would be 1st, 2nd and 4th houses? Namaste; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 8:51:03 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav now give me birth particular for explaination. Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, Namaste Pram Chopra ji, This is very interesting method you advocate. Please do tell what is " sub period " . Also, so currently I am running Jupiter mahadasa, but jupiter is in mercury star and mercury " sub " also, so that means jupiter will give mercury results? mercury is also sitting with jupiter only in 2nd house of cancer... Please do teach; Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:21:20 P.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: Dear Gaurav Saturn will give the results of the houses are Lagna and 5th and 12th. During the dasa antar and sub dasa period. Because saturn is the saleman of the above three shops(Houses). Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Prem Chopra ji, Well, star lord of sani in 3rd house for gemini lagna in this case is venus, which is in lagna. How do you read this now sir, please educate. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:39:30 A.M. India Standard Time, pramchopra1964 writes: dear Gaurav Can U let me know what is the star lord of saturn? only star lord will decied what result the native will have not saturn. I am sure 1000% Prem Chopra yobrevol wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Namaste Rafal ji et al, Thank you for your further insight. That was precisely my point, that away from what classics say, sani in 3rd for gemini lagna causes loss of " parkrama " . thank you; Gaurav In a message dated 3/11/2007 3:48:13 P.M. India Standard Time, starsuponme writes: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gaurav , Namaskar ------------------------- Yes, you are right. Sani will afflict bhagya in dasa of Sani and native will fight for own benefits. If this is well placed from Arudhapada then the fight will bring good fruits. Therefore benefics in third forms Bhagya Yoga but one can be more timid (classics here have different opinion). ------------------------- Regards, *Rafal Gendarz,* www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Tarun napisa?(a): > > Sir please change subject to saturn in 3rd if u r discussing that. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, lalit khungar > <lalit3107 wrote: > > > > But 2nd is dhan bhav and you want money from 3rd. bhaya is 7th > aspect > > > > yobrevol wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Namaste Lalit ji, > > > > I know classics say that malefics bode well in upachayas like > 3rd > > house..however, in my experience sani in 3rd for gemini lagna ppl > delays their > > bhagya....would appreciate any further thoughts.. > > > > Namaste > > yobrevol > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:16:56 A.M. India Standard Time, > > lalit3107 writes: > > > > For Gemini asc it is bad in 2 . But good in 3. July onwards > > good time. lalit [kp astro] > > > > For vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Tarun " > <tarun.virgo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mike. > > > > > > this is the same rule that lion attacks only when he is teased > > > otherwise he is enough calm. > > > > > > So just tease one saturn in 2nd house or make him get angry > and then > > > see the impact. > > > > > > ha ha...i had seen this because i have saturn in 2nd house. > > > > > > many says i am very very cool but when i lose my temper i cant > > > control my voice , and words...even i dont know whati m > saying. > > > but one more thing that if saturn in 2nd house says in angry > mode > > > than the thing gets true. > > > > > > its like black tongue in hindi. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Michael Travass " > > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun, > > > > > > > > I agree that Saturn influence on the 2nd house makes a > person > > > speak the > > > > truth which could makes others uncomfortable. > > > > > > > > But that not necessarily mean the person is rude. I have > several > > > other > > > > examples with Saturn influence on the 2nd and there is no > hint of > > > rudeness. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your feedback. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>] On Behalf Of Tarun > > > > Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:06 AM > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > sorry for replying late as i had d for daily digest > from > > > > thsi forum. > > > > > > > > abt saturn being rude in speech, because i have it. > > > > second point that if there is venus or moon with it. > > > > Thir point saturn gives strictness in voice i.e. he will > never > > > ever > > > > like false things or will oppose things which are bad for > general > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Now i can say that how much you know abt gandhi ji. > > > > > > > > Whatever we know is from the literature or movies thats it. > > > > > > > > if you personally know him than only you can justify abt him. > > > > and even if u think that he was not rude than i can say his > chart > > > > with u is wrong. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > , Patheya Goyal > > > > <patheyagoyal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > I am not an expert in the field, but one instance could > be, and > > > > there are several such possibilities, a bhadra yoga - a > naisargika > > > > swagrahi benefic in kendra; and then one could also see > aspects. I > > > > don't remember by heart MG's chart. > > > > > > > > > > patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass <michael.travass@> wrote: Pathya, > > > > > > > > > > Precisely there are other over riding factors which are to > be > > > > considered. I > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > Question is what are these factors. There is no benefic > graha > > > > aspect, only > > > > > malefic Ra aspect in MG's case. Do we consider rashi > rishti? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > > > 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Patheya Goyal > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 6:05 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology% > 40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mike [and Tarun], > > > > > > > > > > Probably one possible explanation could be in a less > notoriously > > > > > stereotypical 'image' of Shani, where Shani is righteous, > just > > > > [Lord Shiva > > > > > gave entrusted him with carrying that out - I gather] and > > > > unattached, so he > > > > > states things with a nirvikar bhav, and that could be > taken > > > > as 'unabashed'. > > > > > Second house is the house of speech, we know. And Gandhi > never > > > > hesitated > > > > > from confronting the truth with integrity; he did not > bother > > > about > > > > the > > > > > outcome, esp. in so far it put him on the firing line. So, > > > perhaps > > > > it is not > > > > > all right to say that Shani in 2nd makes a person only or > > > > necessarily 'rude' > > > > > but then one has to take into account a lot more factors > than > > > just > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > p. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Travass > > > > > btinternet.com> wrote: Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Could you answer my query please: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi's chart has Saturn in second house. He did > not > > > > sound rude to > > > > > people. How can this be explained. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology@ > > > > > ] On Behalf Of ~Tarun~ > > > > > Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 PM > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:Saturn in 2nd house > > > > > > > > > > Hello Avneesh, > > > > > > > > > > your chart sounds very interesting, as u r saying that u > dont > > > get > > > > right job > > > > > or sometihng like that. But i dont think saturn is a > problem in > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > your moon has damaged ur saturn. so u r very very > sentimental. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in ur 2nd house , you sound very rude to other > > > people , > > > > ur voice > > > > > is very harsh and all dont see ur positive things but just > point > > > > out the > > > > > harshness. > > > > > > > > > > whatever u say turns to truth. > > > > > > > > > > you are currently running in Mars Dasha and that is > exalted. > > > > > > > > > > your sun is in 10th house that promise some govt high > > > authorative > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > you owe a kind of leadership personality. > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any kind of problem in ur chart brother. > > > > > but i think you can do best in some govt related or semi > govt > > > kind > > > > of body. > > > > > you should have big properties as saturn in 2nd relates to > tht > > > and > > > > even u > > > > > can do best in Land or property dealings. > > > > > please post to .Srijagganath forum. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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