Manoj ji--what makes a good Vedic Astrologer?

[Guest guest]

This is just a thought starter and so please not read any more into this post!

 

I was told by one of my gurujana that Sri Sanjay Rath had written that

atmakaraka's association with the 11th house, for some reason, brought into

being a successful astrologer/jyotishi.

 

Taking a small testbed comprising:

P.S. Sastri, KN Rao, BV Raman, KS Krishnamurthy, VK Chowdhri, we get

 

P.S. Sastri: Atmakaraka mercury in 10th, strong, in sagittarius, jupiter in

fifth in exaltation. Budhaditya in 11.

 

KN Rao: Sun is atmakarka in 12th house with budhatitya yoga (with ketu) in

virgo. Sun is also lord of 11th!

 

BV Raman: Moon atmakaraka in 4th exalted with saturn, aspected by lord of 11th,

jupiter in 10th!

 

KS Krishnamurthy: Atmakaraka is RAHU placed in sixth in kendra with lord of 11th

mars.

 

VK Chowdhuri: Atmakaraka sun is in 3rd house and though in leo, is weak in

shadbala with mercury, venus, and ketu. Mars the lord of 11th is in 12th from

atmakaraka.

 

Of all of these fine astrologer gentlemen, BV Raman and KN Rao can probably be

selected out as great astrology writers with a demonstrated track record of

successful predictions, at least mundane ones. Perhaps we can focus on their

publicly available charts and learn more.

 

Thanks for your kind attention...

 

 

-

vreality_au

jyotish-vidya

Monday, January 07, 2008 7:38 PM

Re: Manoj ji--what makes a good Vedic Astrologer?

 

 

Dear Balaji

this is interesting - my 9th lord is Venus exalted in 2nd. I began

studying jyothish in Mars/Ve. Dasha Lord Mars is in mutual aspect

with dispositor of Ve, Ju in 12th.

 

rgds

Su

 

jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan

<sherlockbalaji wrote:

>

> Manoj ji,

>

> Two things are important for a Vedic Astrologer--a

> strong 2nd house [vak siddhi] and a strong 9th house

> [intuition]. In your chart, as Wendy ji has pointed

> out, neecha 9th lord Sani may mean that you may have

> to struggle to master Jyotish--but, since Sani rules

> perseverence, I'm sure that, if you keep at it, you

> will gain some knowledge.

>

> This reminds me of one of Lord Alfred Tennyson's

> Ulysses:

>

> Though much is taken, much abides; and though

> We are not now that strength which in old days

> Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;

> One equal temper of heroic hearts,

> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will

> To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

>

> Best of luck! :-)

>

> ~~~~~~~~~

> Balaji Narasimhan

> Author & Editor

> http://www.balaji.ind.in/

> ~~~~~~~~~

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Manas,

 

///However, what perplexes me is that everything that I wrote earlier is

based on what I read in BPHS! Including charakarakas and rashi drishtis etc.

I can provide references to clear out any confusions that I was mixing two

different methods.///

 

To save time, as I have other commitments (off-list) today and little time

to spare at the moment, I have pasted below a brief explanation regarding

the (apparent) contradictions in BPHS - taken from the Jyotish-Vidya groups

page which I assume all members read before joining.

jyotish-vidya/

 

**The distinction between Parashara and Jaimini systems is not always clear

as often the two very different techniques of prediction are

ill-defined...resulting in many contradictions. In the simplest terms;

Jaimini method uses rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara karakas, whereas

Parashara is based on graha (vimsottari) dasa, graha aspects and constant,

or natural, karakas.

 

Prof. P. S. Sastri, author of Jaimini Sutram (English translation), tells us

that it's clear from a comparison of the principles outlined, that much of

Jaimini system has been inserted into Parashara text, and, if the student is

not careful, he will mix up the two systems and find himself in

contradictions and confusions.**

 

///After all, it is the same sun that is the lord of the 7th house as well

as bhratrikaraka in a given kundali and it does not wear two hats, Parashari

on some days and Jaimini on other days.///

 

I'm not really sure just what you're saying here. However let me try to make

things a little clearer for you. If one wishes to use the Jaimini system,

which, to the detriment of students struggling to fathom this divine

science, has been included in the Parashara texts, one must faithfully

employ Jaimini principles only i.e., rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara

karakas.

If one chooses to use the vimsottari dasa system endorsed by Parashara as

the one most suited for the general population in this day and age, then we

must follow the guidelines set down for this method i.e., vimsottari dasa,

graha aspects and natural karakas etc...

 

///I would not prolong this discussion further, but just felt that I should

explain my position and request you to indicate where Parashari ends and

Jaimini system begins, since all I have is BPHS to look towards and

follow.///

 

Unfortunately there is no cut-off point that makes it clear " this is where

Parashara ends and this is where Jaimini begins " . What is required is a

certain ability to discriminate - which generally develops after an

exhaustive study of both systems. It also helps to have the best teacher

which I've been fortunate enough to have.

 

For the benefit of those who struggle to define/separate the two systems, I

have provided a link to a useful site which outlines the basic Jaimini

principles. If you (http://jyotishvidya.com/articles.htm)

and scroll down to the last entry (Basic Features of Jaimini Astrology) you

will be taken to the article by Finn Wandahl.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:21 AM

Re: **SPAM** Re: **SPAM** Re: Re: Manoj ji--what

makes a good Vedic Astrologer?

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

I hope you will take my reply in the right spirit and good faith. I do not

wish to give the impression that I was somehow endorsing The SJC group and

their teachings. To be candid, I am not even sure what their teachings are,

or know their products enough to comment on that. I certainly do not wish to

create controversy, real or apparent, on your forum. After all this is your

home into which you have graciously and kindly invited us into and like good

guests in a civilized society, we all must display our best etiquette.

 

I also read in one of your recent reminders to members that this forum is

primarily/only (I hope I am not misrepresenting your statement) devoted to

Parashari astrology, or essentially the framework presented in Brihat

Parashara Hora Shastra (and perhaps also Laghu and Madhya Parashari, very

important texts for those who want to delve deeper into Vimshottari dasha

nirnaya -- or maybe those are out of the scope of this forum). In that vein,

your gentle reminder about not mixing Parashari and Jaimini methods is

noted, particularly since a majority of readers might be beginners. However,

what perplexes me is that everything that I wrote earlier is based on what I

read in BPHS! Including charakarakas and rashi drishtis etc. I can provide

references to clear out any confusions that I was mixing two different

methods. Not having researched or seriously practiced anything other than

Parashari framework to a significant extent I am at a loss really about what

you implied.

 

Once again, being the hostess you are entitled to your decisions, judgments

and boundaries but I thought I should clarify my position so that I am not

misunderstood.

 

After all, it is the same sun that is the lord of the 7th house as well as

bhratrikaraka in a given kundali and it does not wear two hats, Parashari on

some days and Jaimini on other days.

 

I would not prolong this discussion further, but just felt that I should

explain my position and request you to indicate where Parashari ends and

Jaimini system begins, since all I have is BPHS to look towards and follow.

 

MKu

[Guest guest]

PS: The important message I wish to convey is this;

 

Use Jaimini system if you wish, but stick to the principles governing that

system.

Use Vimsottari (commonly referred to as the Parashara system) if you wish,

but stick to the principles governing that system.

 

This applies to any system you choose to employ.

Stick to the one and don't mix and match....

 

Just bear in mind however that this is a Parashara discussion group (clearly

stated on the group home page).

___

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:17 AM

Re: Re: Manoj ji--what makes a good Vedic

Astrologer?

 

 

Dear Manas,

 

///However, what perplexes me is that everything that I wrote earlier is

based on what I read in BPHS! Including charakarakas and rashi drishtis etc.

I can provide references to clear out any confusions that I was mixing two

different methods.///

 

To save time, as I have other commitments (off-list) today and little time

to spare at the moment, I have pasted below a brief explanation regarding

the (apparent) contradictions in BPHS - taken from the Jyotish-Vidya groups

page which I assume all members read before joining.

jyotish-vidya/

 

**The distinction between Parashara and Jaimini systems is not always clear

as often the two very different techniques of prediction are

ill-defined...resulting in many contradictions. In the simplest terms;

Jaimini method uses rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara karakas, whereas

Parashara is based on graha (vimsottari) dasa, graha aspects and constant,

or natural, karakas.

 

Prof. P. S. Sastri, author of Jaimini Sutram (English translation), tells us

that it's clear from a comparison of the principles outlined, that much of

Jaimini system has been inserted into Parashara text, and, if the student is

not careful, he will mix up the two systems and find himself in

contradictions and confusions.**

 

///After all, it is the same sun that is the lord of the 7th house as well

as bhratrikaraka in a given kundali and it does not wear two hats, Parashari

on some days and Jaimini on other days.///

 

I'm not really sure just what you're saying here. However let me try to make

things a little clearer for you. If one wishes to use the Jaimini system,

which, to the detriment of students struggling to fathom this divine

science, has been included in the Parashara texts, one must faithfully

employ Jaimini principles only i.e., rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara

karakas.

If one chooses to use the vimsottari dasa system endorsed by Parashara as

the one most suited for the general population in this day and age, then we

must follow the guidelines set down for this method i.e., vimsottari dasa,

graha aspects and natural karakas etc...

 

///I would not prolong this discussion further, but just felt that I should

explain my position and request you to indicate where Parashari ends and

Jaimini system begins, since all I have is BPHS to look towards and

follow.///

 

Unfortunately there is no cut-off point that makes it clear " this is where

Parashara ends and this is where Jaimini begins " . What is required is a

certain ability to discriminate - which generally develops after an

exhaustive study of both systems. It also helps to have the best teacher

which I've been fortunate enough to have.

 

For the benefit of those who struggle to define/separate the two systems, I

have provided a link to a useful site which outlines the basic Jaimini

principles. If you (http://jyotishvidya.com/articles.htm)

and scroll down to the last entry (Basic Features of Jaimini Astrology) you

will be taken to the article by Finn Wandahl.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

I truly appreciate your patience in trying so hard to explain this to me and

other members here and I also thank you for your hospitality, despite your busy

schedule and other commitments etc.

 

For me personally: Whatever appears in Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra is

Parashari!

 

The Upadesha sutram of Jaimini, written in the codified katapayadi style is

potentially confusing and implies a time when the writer had to make special

efforts to 'hide' or make it MORE difficult for the readers to understand what

he wrote or wished to share. It sounds more like times where society was

paranoid, there was exploitation and need to hide knowledge so that it did not

get misused. Why else the codification of what Parashara wrote about so

transparently, openly and something that should be presented exactly like that!

Parashara was writing Satwicly, in other words, tell it as it is, no need to

hide and distort and make facts that affect each human being's life, open and

available to all.

 

Hence, hopefully understand my leaning that whatever is available in BPHS is

Parashari, including chara karakas, chara dashas, and the associated factors

that some modern jyotishis separate into a jaimini system!

 

I also realize that people question the authenticity of BPHS because there are

half a dozen versions of it available in hindi, sanskrit and even english. The

fact of the matter is that even if corrupted or things introduced into Brihat

Parashara Hora Shastra, each of these versions has what I believe you are

calling " Jaimini " astrology!

 

For me that is a clear boundary between Parashari and Jaimini: What is in BPHS

is Parashari until such time that some doyen proves in an unambiguous manner

that what is in BPHS is NOT Parashari! I have read Finn Wandahl's writings and

in one of his posts on one of the Jyotish List archives he mentions carbon

dating as the scientific evidence for timing jyotish! Carbon dating has a plus

or minus cuff of tolerance of 5000 years! And how does one carbon date the ORAL

tradition? I presume all jyotish afficionados believe that Jyotish did not start

as the written word, but the spoken one!

 

MKu

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Friday, January 11, 2008 8:17 PM

Re: Re: Manoj ji--what makes a good Vedic Astrologer?

 

 

Dear Manas,

 

///However, what perplexes me is that everything that I wrote earlier is

based on what I read in BPHS! Including charakarakas and rashi drishtis etc.

I can provide references to clear out any confusions that I was mixing two

different methods.///

 

To save time, as I have other commitments (off-list) today and little time

to spare at the moment, I have pasted below a brief explanation regarding

the (apparent) contradictions in BPHS - taken from the Jyotish-Vidya groups

page which I assume all members read before joining.

jyotish-vidya/

 

**The distinction between Parashara and Jaimini systems is not always clear

as often the two very different techniques of prediction are

ill-defined...resulting in many contradictions. In the simplest terms;

Jaimini method uses rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara karakas, whereas

Parashara is based on graha (vimsottari) dasa, graha aspects and constant,

or natural, karakas.

 

Prof. P. S. Sastri, author of Jaimini Sutram (English translation), tells us

that it's clear from a comparison of the principles outlined, that much of

Jaimini system has been inserted into Parashara text, and, if the student is

not careful, he will mix up the two systems and find himself in

contradictions and confusions.**

 

///After all, it is the same sun that is the lord of the 7th house as well

as bhratrikaraka in a given kundali and it does not wear two hats, Parashari

on some days and Jaimini on other days.///

 

I'm not really sure just what you're saying here. However let me try to make

things a little clearer for you. If one wishes to use the Jaimini system,

which, to the detriment of students struggling to fathom this divine

science, has been included in the Parashara texts, one must faithfully

employ Jaimini principles only i.e., rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara

karakas.

If one chooses to use the vimsottari dasa system endorsed by Parashara as

the one most suited for the general population in this day and age, then we

must follow the guidelines set down for this method i.e., vimsottari dasa,

graha aspects and natural karakas etc...

 

///I would not prolong this discussion further, but just felt that I should

explain my position and request you to indicate where Parashari ends and

Jaimini system begins, since all I have is BPHS to look towards and

follow.///

 

Unfortunately there is no cut-off point that makes it clear " this is where

Parashara ends and this is where Jaimini begins " . What is required is a

certain ability to discriminate - which generally develops after an

exhaustive study of both systems. It also helps to have the best teacher

which I've been fortunate enough to have.

 

For the benefit of those who struggle to define/separate the two systems, I

have provided a link to a useful site which outlines the basic Jaimini

principles. If you (http://jyotishvidya.com/articles.htm)

and scroll down to the last entry (Basic Features of Jaimini Astrology) you

will be taken to the article by Finn Wandahl.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:21 AM

Re: **SPAM** Re: **SPAM** Re: Re: Manoj ji--what

makes a good Vedic Astrologer?

 

Dear Wendy,

 

I hope you will take my reply in the right spirit and good faith. I do not

wish to give the impression that I was somehow endorsing The SJC group and

their teachings. To be candid, I am not even sure what their teachings are,

or know their products enough to comment on that. I certainly do not wish to

create controversy, real or apparent, on your forum. After all this is your

home into which you have graciously and kindly invited us into and like good

guests in a civilized society, we all must display our best etiquette.

 

I also read in one of your recent reminders to members that this forum is

primarily/only (I hope I am not misrepresenting your statement) devoted to

Parashari astrology, or essentially the framework presented in Brihat

Parashara Hora Shastra (and perhaps also Laghu and Madhya Parashari, very

important texts for those who want to delve deeper into Vimshottari dasha

nirnaya -- or maybe those are out of the scope of this forum). In that vein,

your gentle reminder about not mixing Parashari and Jaimini methods is

noted, particularly since a majority of readers might be beginners. However,

what perplexes me is that everything that I wrote earlier is based on what I

read in BPHS! Including charakarakas and rashi drishtis etc. I can provide

references to clear out any confusions that I was mixing two different

methods. Not having researched or seriously practiced anything other than

Parashari framework to a significant extent I am at a loss really about what

you implied.

 

Once again, being the hostess you are entitled to your decisions, judgments

and boundaries but I thought I should clarify my position so that I am not

misunderstood.

 

After all, it is the same sun that is the lord of the 7th house as well as

bhratrikaraka in a given kundali and it does not wear two hats, Parashari on

some days and Jaimini on other days.

 

I would not prolong this discussion further, but just felt that I should

explain my position and request you to indicate where Parashari ends and

Jaimini system begins, since all I have is BPHS to look towards and follow.

 

MKu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Please allow this guest the indulgence to focus on an important part of your

very kind message that covered so many points and issues, if I may. Hence I

quote just the relevant portion...

 

What I am saying is very direct and simple. There is one sun which is used by

the so called Parashari and the Jaimini systems, they both use the sun placed at

the same degree etc in a nirayana zodiac. However, the sun could be the lord of

7th in an aquarius rising chart (in so called Parashari and Jaimini systems).

The sun will aspect the seventh house from wherever it is placed. Now this sun

would have a role as a bhratri - charakaraka as per the " Jaimini " system. In

another chart with aquarius rising, the sun would have the same 7th house

rulership but it may be atmakaraka based on its longitude!

 

While our viewscape has changed as to what this sun represents, in both cases

the 7th lord but in one chart a bhratrikaraka but in the other atmakaraka;

evidently the different roles played or depicted by the sun in these two charts

with the same lagna rising is not *confusing* but enriching! It adds more

details to what an astrologer would see the sun as. I see that as an improvement

and not confusion necessarily.

 

There is a groundswell that is arising at least on the jyotish internet scene

that is pleading with astrologers to return to the rashi chart, the D1 or V1 as

the rashi varga is called, one of the 16 divisional charts described by Muni

Parashara himself. This so called 'confusing' Jaimini system, that is aptly

described by Parashara in his Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra which I hope

beginners read before certain other more modern and easier but not necessarily

comprehensively written texts, would perhaps open their eyes and scope a bit

wider and more meaningfully for themselves and their clients, some of whom are

even charged for the consultation!

 

I apologize if I tested your patience more than an ordinary guest should have

dared to. If you did manage to read upto this line, despite your engagements, my

undying gratitude is hereby expressed. Thanks

 

MKu

 

 

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Friday, January 11, 2008 8:17 PM

Re: Re: Manoj ji--what makes a good Vedic Astrologer?

 

 

<snip>

 

 

///After all, it is the same sun that is the lord of the 7th house as well

as bhratrikaraka in a given kundali and it does not wear two hats, Parashari

on some days and Jaimini on other days.///

 

I'm not really sure just what you're saying here. However let me try to make

things a little clearer for you. If one wishes to use the Jaimini system,

which, to the detriment of students struggling to fathom this divine

science, has been included in the Parashara texts, one must faithfully

employ Jaimini principles only i.e., rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara

karakas.

If one chooses to use the vimsottari dasa system endorsed by Parashara as

the one most suited for the general population in this day and age, then we

must follow the guidelines set down for this method i.e., vimsottari dasa,

graha aspects and natural karakas etc...

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[Guest guest]

Hello Manas,

 

I can appreciate your not taking my advice on board, however, having offered

supporting evidence from other notable astrologers, you're still closed to

the idea that Jaimini system and Vimsottari system are different methods of

prediction entirely...same grahas, same bhavas (of course); but very

different methods of prediction...bearing in mind that the methods of

prediction I speak of are the " Dasa Systems " and the specific principles

that govern each of them.

 

Unfortunately, as your views are in such stark conflict with those of

Jyotish-Vidya, I feel you would be much happier on a group that agrees with

you...

Although I feel you can't possibly gain anything by remaining with us, I do

wish you well on your astrological journey.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:17 AM

Re: Re: Manoj ji--what makes a good Vedic

Astrologer?

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

I truly appreciate your patience in trying so hard to explain this to me and

other members here and I also thank you for your hospitality, despite your

busy schedule and other commitments etc.

 

For me personally: Whatever appears in Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra is

Parashari!

 

The Upadesha sutram of Jaimini, written in the codified katapayadi style is

potentially confusing and implies a time when the writer had to make special

efforts to 'hide' or make it MORE difficult for the readers to understand

what he wrote or wished to share. It sounds more like times where society

was paranoid, there was exploitation and need to hide knowledge so that it

did not get misused. Why else the codification of what Parashara wrote about

so transparently, openly and something that should be presented exactly like

that! Parashara was writing Satwicly, in other words, tell it as it is, no

need to hide and distort and make facts that affect each human being's life,

open and available to all.

 

Hence, hopefully understand my leaning that whatever is available in BPHS is

Parashari, including chara karakas, chara dashas, and the associated factors

that some modern jyotishis separate into a jaimini system!

 

I also realize that people question the authenticity of BPHS because there

are half a dozen versions of it available in hindi, sanskrit and even

english. The fact of the matter is that even if corrupted or things

introduced into Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, each of these versions has

what I believe you are calling " Jaimini " astrology!

 

For me that is a clear boundary between Parashari and Jaimini: What is in

BPHS is Parashari until such time that some doyen proves in an unambiguous

manner that what is in BPHS is NOT Parashari! I have read Finn Wandahl's

writings and in one of his posts on one of the Jyotish List archives he

mentions carbon dating as the scientific evidence for timing jyotish! Carbon

dating has a plus or minus cuff of tolerance of 5000 years! And how does one

carbon date the ORAL tradition? I presume all jyotish afficionados believe

that Jyotish did not start as the written word, but the spoken one!

 

MKu

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Friday, January 11, 2008 8:17 PM

Re: Re: Manoj ji--what makes a good Vedic

Astrologer?

 

 

Dear Manas,

 

///However, what perplexes me is that everything that I wrote earlier is

based on what I read in BPHS! Including charakarakas and rashi drishtis

etc.

I can provide references to clear out any confusions that I was mixing two

different methods.///

 

To save time, as I have other commitments (off-list) today and little time

to spare at the moment, I have pasted below a brief explanation regarding

the (apparent) contradictions in BPHS - taken from the Jyotish-Vidya

groups

page which I assume all members read before joining.

jyotish-vidya/

 

**The distinction between Parashara and Jaimini systems is not always

clear

as often the two very different techniques of prediction are

ill-defined...resulting in many contradictions. In the simplest terms;

Jaimini method uses rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara karakas, whereas

Parashara is based on graha (vimsottari) dasa, graha aspects and constant,

or natural, karakas.

 

Prof. P. S. Sastri, author of Jaimini Sutram (English translation), tells

us

that it's clear from a comparison of the principles outlined, that much of

Jaimini system has been inserted into Parashara text, and, if the student

is

not careful, he will mix up the two systems and find himself in

contradictions and confusions.**

 

///After all, it is the same sun that is the lord of the 7th house as well

as bhratrikaraka in a given kundali and it does not wear two hats,

Parashari

on some days and Jaimini on other days.///

 

I'm not really sure just what you're saying here. However let me try to

make

things a little clearer for you. If one wishes to use the Jaimini system,

which, to the detriment of students struggling to fathom this divine

science, has been included in the Parashara texts, one must faithfully

employ Jaimini principles only i.e., rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara

karakas.

If one chooses to use the vimsottari dasa system endorsed by Parashara as

the one most suited for the general population in this day and age, then

we

must follow the guidelines set down for this method i.e., vimsottari dasa,

graha aspects and natural karakas etc...

 

///I would not prolong this discussion further, but just felt that I

should

explain my position and request you to indicate where Parashari ends and

Jaimini system begins, since all I have is BPHS to look towards and

follow.///

 

Unfortunately there is no cut-off point that makes it clear " this is where

Parashara ends and this is where Jaimini begins " . What is required is a

certain ability to discriminate - which generally develops after an

exhaustive study of both systems. It also helps to have the best teacher

which I've been fortunate enough to have.

 

For the benefit of those who struggle to define/separate the two systems,

I

have provided a link to a useful site which outlines the basic Jaimini

principles. If you

(http://jyotishvidya.com/articles.htm)

and scroll down to the last entry (Basic Features of Jaimini Astrology)

you

will be taken to the article by Finn Wandahl.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:21 AM

Re: **SPAM** Re: **SPAM** Re: Re: Manoj ji--what

makes a good Vedic Astrologer?

 

Dear Wendy,

 

I hope you will take my reply in the right spirit and good faith. I do not

wish to give the impression that I was somehow endorsing The SJC group and

their teachings. To be candid, I am not even sure what their teachings

are,

or know their products enough to comment on that. I certainly do not wish

to

create controversy, real or apparent, on your forum. After all this is

your

home into which you have graciously and kindly invited us into and like

good

guests in a civilized society, we all must display our best etiquette.

 

I also read in one of your recent reminders to members that this forum is

primarily/only (I hope I am not misrepresenting your statement) devoted to

Parashari astrology, or essentially the framework presented in Brihat

Parashara Hora Shastra (and perhaps also Laghu and Madhya Parashari, very

important texts for those who want to delve deeper into Vimshottari dasha

nirnaya -- or maybe those are out of the scope of this forum). In that

vein,

your gentle reminder about not mixing Parashari and Jaimini methods is

noted, particularly since a majority of readers might be beginners.

However,

what perplexes me is that everything that I wrote earlier is based on what

I

read in BPHS! Including charakarakas and rashi drishtis etc. I can provide

references to clear out any confusions that I was mixing two different

methods. Not having researched or seriously practiced anything other than

Parashari framework to a significant extent I am at a loss really about

what

you implied.

 

Once again, being the hostess you are entitled to your decisions,

judgments

and boundaries but I thought I should clarify my position so that I am not

misunderstood.

 

After all, it is the same sun that is the lord of the 7th house as well as

bhratrikaraka in a given kundali and it does not wear two hats, Parashari

on

some days and Jaimini on other days.

 

I would not prolong this discussion further, but just felt that I should

explain my position and request you to indicate where Parashari ends and

Jaimini system begins, since all I have is BPHS to look towards and

follow.

 

MKu