Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department harm its own department? Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have both the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse for the concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon in 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from small injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior basketball team of India during my 16th year.. As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much upon since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory which some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. Gaurav In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, pkgoteti writes: Gopal, well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar [see bottom] where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other factors can chage it u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a good work BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words rarely come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite happens then the astrologer dig such things out but if they had said these at start itself will be good the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know both well more of the exceptions always. people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack luster in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. Best wishes Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Friends, I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that such and such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this raises following issues: 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us now. In the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles were enumerated and their details and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not lay hand on Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to these works, the style of his commentary would have been quite different. 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and is of immense value. The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or under- rated. The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ This dictum has three words which mean as under: Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka ..Naisargik, Char or Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 on Karakas in ‘BPHS’ BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha jyotish.Bhava systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be applicable. NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will be there but benefit will not be fully realized or felt. I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha Ratnakar’ authored by St. Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will give Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: “If the different Karakas are present in their respective Bhavas, such bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†Comments of Dr. Raman: This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of self, in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, Moon in 4th mother etc. There are many exceptions: a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for finance in its dasa b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by placement of KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona houses. In such a case, even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and moon is in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm 1st and 4th house. This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen in chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has made an in depth study , which require further research. The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. REGARDS TO ALL G.K.GOEL panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha mention the source of this verse and its meaning. neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro principles a laughing stock. pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in simple holistic way. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt mother? These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I would like to learn from your experiences. > > Namaste > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > gkgoel1937 writes: > > Dear Friends, > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also Nakshatras. > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS ascertained > with the > help of Nabhas yogas. > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- and seven > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later scheme > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are used > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not fruitfull. But a > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of other > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > G.K.GOEL > > > Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: Rishi, > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc the whole > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava yoga such dasa must operate. > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > Best wishes > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete destruction of > one's profession ? > > thank you > > rishi> Recent Activity 33 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Ads on Learn more now. 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Nair ji, I am trying to understand your logic. So 2nd house is house of family. Jupiter there then should harm the native in having a family, or make him away from family etc...correct? moon in 4th should harm the mother, or atleast native's relations with mother... Yes, I do have a parivartana between moon and mercury; and my venus is cojoint the sun in lagna. Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/6/2007 2:43:41 A.M. India Standard Time, astro_tellerkerala writes: om krishna guru, dear gaurav and all respected members. Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no life . guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna like .As puticular varga deals with parents. Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get enough time to read it . regds sunil nair. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department harm > its own department? > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have both > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse for the > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon in > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from small > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior basketball team of > India during my 16th year.. > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much upon > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory which > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > pkgoteti writes: > > Gopal, > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar [see > bottom] > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other factors > can chage it > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a good > work > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words rarely > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite happens > then the astrologer dig such things out > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know both > well more of the exceptions always. > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack luster > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > Best wishes > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 wrote: > Dear Friends, > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that such and > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this raises > following issues: > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us now. In > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles were > enumerated and their details > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not lay hand on > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to these works, the > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and is of > immense value. > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or under- > rated. > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > .Naisargik, Char or > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 on > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha jyotish.Bhava > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be applicable. > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will be there but > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha Ratnakar’ authored by St. > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will give > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective Bhavas, such > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> Comments of Dr. Raman: > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of self, > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, Moon > in 4th mother etc. > There are many exceptions: > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for finance in > its dasa > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > placement of > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > houses. In such a case, > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and moon is > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm 1st and > 4th house. > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen in > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has made an in depth study , > which require > further research. > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > REGARDS TO ALL > G.K.GOEL > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > principles a laughing stock. > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > simple holistic way. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt > mother? > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > Namaste > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > Dear Friends, > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > Nakshatras. > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > ascertained > > with the > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > and seven > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > scheme > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > used > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > fruitfull. But a > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > other > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > Rishi, > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > the whole > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > Best wishes > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > destruction of > > one's profession ? > > > > thank you > > > > rishi> > > > Recent Activity > > 33 > New Members > > 1 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > Ads on > Learn more now. > Reach customers > searching for you. > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Gopal, well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar [see bottom] where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other factors can chage it u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a good work BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words rarely come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite happens then the astrologer dig such things out but if they had said these at start itself will be good the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know both well more of the exceptions always. people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack luster in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. Best wishes Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Friends, I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that such and such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this raises following issues: 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us now. In the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles were enumerated and their details and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not lay hand on Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to these works, the style of his commentary would have been quite different. 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and is of immense value. The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or under- rated. The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ This dictum has three words which mean as under: Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka .Naisargik, Char or Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 on Karakas in ‘BPHS’ BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha jyotish.Bhava systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be applicable. NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will be there but benefit will not be fully realized or felt. I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha Ratnakar’ authored by St. Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will give Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: “If the different Karakas are present in their respective Bhavas, such bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results” Comments of Dr. Raman: This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of self, in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, Moon in 4th mother etc. There are many exceptions: a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for finance in its dasa b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by placement of KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona houses. In such a case, even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and moon is in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm 1st and 4th house. This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen in chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has made an in depth study , which require further research. The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. REGARDS TO ALL G.K.GOEL panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha mention the source of this verse and its meaning. neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro principles a laughing stock. pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in simple holistic way. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt mother? These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I would like to learn from your experiences. > > Namaste > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > gkgoel1937 writes: > > Dear Friends, > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also Nakshatras. > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS ascertained > with the > help of Nabhas yogas. > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- and seven > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later scheme > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are used > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not fruitfull. But a > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of other > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > G.K.GOEL > > > Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: Rishi, > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc the whole > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava yoga such dasa must operate. > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > Best wishes > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete destruction of > one's profession ? > > thank you > > rishi> Recent Activity 33 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . G B Prashant Kumar Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for Lagna features check. Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 In a message dated 4/6/2007 3:22:12 A.M. India Standard Time, astro_tellerkerala writes: Om krishna guru. dear gauravji, Jupiter is not karka for family so in 2nd it cannot hurt as per theorey .Pls note i am giving opinions of savants of astrology and not my personal .Even i come tru some rahu centric theorey and they hav their explanations .According to lal kitab if u dont hav any planet in 9th this jup is ur bhagya kartha. As far as your moon in parivatan its changing roles this is what i think . regrds sunil nair. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem maha laxmai namah. private consultations are chargeable. vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Nair ji, > > I am trying to understand your logic. So 2nd house is house of family. > Jupiter there then should harm the native in having a family, or make him away > from family etc...correct? moon in 4th should harm the mother, or atleast > native's relations with mother... > > Yes, I do have a parivartana between moon and mercury; and my venus is > cojoint the sun in lagna. > > Namaste > Gaurav > In a message dated 4/6/2007 2:43:41 A.M. India Standard Time, > astro_tellerkerala writes: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > life . > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > enough time to read it . > > regds sunil nair. > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department > harm > > its own department? > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > both > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > for the > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon > in > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from > small > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > basketball team of > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much > upon > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > which > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > Gopal, > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > [see > > bottom] > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > factors > > can chage it > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a > good > > work > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > rarely > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > happens > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > both > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > luster > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > such and > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > raises > > following issues: > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > now. In > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > were > > enumerated and their details > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > lay hand on > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > these works, the > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > is of > > immense value. > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > under- > > rated. > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > .Naisargik, Char or > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 > on > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > jyotish.Bhava > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > applicable. > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will > be there but > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will > give > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > >  " If the different Karakas are present in their respective > Bhavas, such > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of > self, > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, > Moon > > in 4th mother etc. > > There are many exceptions: > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > finance in > > its dasa > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > placement of > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > > houses. In such a case, > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > moon is > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > 1st and > > 4th house. > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen > in > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > made an in depth study , > > which require > > further research. > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > REGARDS TO ALL > > G.K.GOEL > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > simple holistic way. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka > Bhava > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble > wrt > > mother? > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > Namaste > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > Nakshatras. > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > ascertained > > > with the > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > and seven > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > scheme > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > used > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > fruitfull. But a > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > other > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > Rishi, > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > > the whole > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > family, > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > destruction of > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 33 > > New Members > > > > 1 > > New Files > > > > Visit Your Group > > Ads on > > Learn more now. > > Reach customers > > searching for you. > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Aumm Durgayai namah Namaste Sunil ji, Please forgive me if I came across otherwise in my last post, the current discussion is solely jyotish centric. Gaurav In a message dated 4/6/2007 3:22:12 A.M. India Standard Time, astro_tellerkerala writes: Om krishna guru. dear gauravji, Jupiter is not karka for family so in 2nd it cannot hurt as per theorey .Pls note i am giving opinions of savants of astrology and not my personal .Even i come tru some rahu centric theorey and they hav their explanations .According to lal kitab if u dont hav any planet in 9th this jup is ur bhagya kartha. As far as your moon in parivatan its changing roles this is what i think . regrds sunil nair. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem maha laxmai namah. private consultations are chargeable. vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Nair ji, > > I am trying to understand your logic. So 2nd house is house of family. > Jupiter there then should harm the native in having a family, or make him away > from family etc...correct? moon in 4th should harm the mother, or atleast > native's relations with mother... > > Yes, I do have a parivartana between moon and mercury; and my venus is > cojoint the sun in lagna. > > Namaste > Gaurav > In a message dated 4/6/2007 2:43:41 A.M. India Standard Time, > astro_tellerkerala writes: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > life . > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > enough time to read it . > > regds sunil nair. > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department > harm > > its own department? > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > both > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > for the > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon > in > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from > small > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > basketball team of > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much > upon > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > which > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > Gopal, > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > [see > > bottom] > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > factors > > can chage it > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a > good > > work > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > rarely > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > happens > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > both > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > luster > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > such and > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > raises > > following issues: > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > now. In > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > were > > enumerated and their details > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > lay hand on > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > these works, the > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > is of > > immense value. > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > under- > > rated. > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > .Naisargik, Char or > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 > on > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > jyotish.Bhava > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > applicable. > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will > be there but > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will > give > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > >  " If the different Karakas are present in their respective > Bhavas, such > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of > self, > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, > Moon > > in 4th mother etc. > > There are many exceptions: > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > finance in > > its dasa > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > placement of > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > > houses. In such a case, > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > moon is > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > 1st and > > 4th house. > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen > in > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > made an in depth study , > > which require > > further research. > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > REGARDS TO ALL > > G.K.GOEL > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > simple holistic way. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka > Bhava > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble > wrt > > mother? > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > Namaste > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > Nakshatras. > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > ascertained > > > with the > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > and seven > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > scheme > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > used > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > fruitfull. But a > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > other > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > Rishi, > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > > the whole > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > family, > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > destruction of > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 33 > > New Members > > > > 1 > > New Files > > > > Visit Your Group > > Ads on > > Learn more now. > > Reach customers > > searching for you. > > > > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > > > > > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, > > family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID > pkgoteti@, for > > Lagna features check. > > Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and > CHAT > > consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 om krishna guru, dear gaurav and all respected members. Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no life . guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna like .As puticular varga deals with parents. Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get enough time to read it . regds sunil nair. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department harm > its own department? > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have both > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse for the > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon in > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from small > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior basketball team of > India during my 16th year.. > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much upon > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory which > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > pkgoteti writes: > > Gopal, > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar [see > bottom] > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other factors > can chage it > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a good > work > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words rarely > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite happens > then the astrologer dig such things out > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know both > well more of the exceptions always. > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack luster > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > Best wishes > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 wrote: > Dear Friends, > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that such and > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this raises > following issues: > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us now. In > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles were > enumerated and their details > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not lay hand on > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to these works, the > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and is of > immense value. > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or under- > rated. > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > .Naisargik, Char or > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 on > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha jyotish.Bhava > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be applicable. > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will be there but > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha Ratnakar’ authored by St. > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will give > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective Bhavas, such > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> Comments of Dr. Raman: > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of self, > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, Moon > in 4th mother etc. > There are many exceptions: > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for finance in > its dasa > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > placement of > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > houses. In such a case, > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and moon is > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm 1st and > 4th house. > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen in > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has made an in depth study , > which require > further research. > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > REGARDS TO ALL > G.K.GOEL > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > principles a laughing stock. > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > simple holistic way. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt > mother? > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > Namaste > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > Dear Friends, > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > Nakshatras. > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > ascertained > > with the > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > and seven > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > scheme > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > used > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > fruitfull. But a > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > other > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > Rishi, > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > the whole > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > Best wishes > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > destruction of > > one's profession ? > > > > thank you > > > > rishi> > > > Recent Activity > > 33 > New Members > > 1 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > Ads on > Learn more now. > Reach customers > searching for you. > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Namaste RR ji, I am in agreement with you. Lets choose Jupiter as the karka and 2nd as the house. I do not have much charts except a couple 9 including my own). So please give me some selected charts so that we can take them up for discussion in the forum... Gaurav In a message dated 4/6/2007 5:10:37 A.M. India Standard Time, rohini_ranjan writes: If I may be allowed to add my two cents without offending and upsetting anyone (not my intention ever!) -- there is only one surefire way of resolving doubts and gaining confidence in a technique or merit of a tenet: examining its validity in charts in our individual laboratories. People who are bright, curious and critical thinkers (did I just describe this entire forum?) will only get convinced when they test things themselves. Otherwise, like the series of readings I was talking about in another context, the questions will get asked in forum after forum and the picture will get muddier and muddier. For instance KBN! The first question should not be whether it works or not, but to first ask: Which Karaka? Regards, RR vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear gauravji , > > U didnot hurt me and i like grilling questions then only our > knowledge will increase .And we should gaurd against so called new > theoreis in already confused astrological feild as new mode education > which is only based on foriegn laungage and neo scientifics devlpment > make easy for these kind of ppl to play.And we r far away from our roots > ,1000s years of mughals cannot do anythings but 60 years of democracy > almost killed all our traditional sciences .Now some r revived because > of westerners interest like ayurveda ,yoga and some classical arts. > > u r always welcome . > > regds sunil nair > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aumm Durgayai namah > > > > Namaste Sunil ji, > > > > Please forgive me if I came across otherwise in my last post, the > current > > discussion is solely jyotish centric. > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 3:22:12 A.M. India Standard Time, > > astro_tellerkerala@ writes: > > > > > > Om krishna guru. > > > > dear gauravji, > > > > Jupiter is not karka for family so in 2nd it cannot > > hurt as per theorey .Pls note i am giving opinions of savants of > > astrology and not my personal .Even i come tru some rahu centric > theorey > > and they hav their explanations .According to lal kitab if u dont hav > > any planet in 9th this jup is ur bhagya kartha. > > > > As far as your moon in parivatan its changing roles this is what i > > think . > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah. > > > > private consultations are chargeable. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > Namaste Nair ji, > > > > > > I am trying to understand your logic. So 2nd house is house of > family. > > > Jupiter there then should harm the native in having a family, or > make > > him away > > > from family etc...correct? moon in 4th should harm the mother, or > > atleast > > > native's relations with mother... > > > > > > Yes, I do have a parivartana between moon and mercury; and my venus > is > > > cojoint the sun in lagna. > > > > > > Namaste > > > Gaurav > > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 2:43:41 A.M. India Standard Time, > > > astro_tellerkerala@ writes: > > > > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > > > > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > > > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > > > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > > > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard > > ,as > > > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > > > life . > > > > > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > > > > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > > > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > > > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again > depends > > > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > > > > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > > > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > > > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > > > > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not > get > > > enough time to read it . > > > > > > regds sunil nair. > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a > > department > > > harm > > > > its own department? > > > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you > have > > > both > > > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as > worse > > > for the > > > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and > > Moon > > > in > > > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover > > from > > > small > > > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health > > and > > > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > > > basketball team of > > > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, > and > > > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment > > much > > > upon > > > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this > theory > > > which > > > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > > > > > Gopal, > > > > > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd > Mar > > > [see > > > > bottom] > > > > > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > > > factors > > > > can chage it > > > > > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a > library > > a > > > good > > > > work > > > > > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these > words > > > rarely > > > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and > opposite > > > happens > > > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to > know > > > both > > > > > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or > lack > > > luster > > > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > > > such and > > > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But > this > > > raises > > > > following issues: > > > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to > us > > > now. In > > > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic > principles > > > were > > > > enumerated and their details > > > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, > famous > > > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could > not > > > lay hand on > > > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he > got the access > > to > > > these works, the > > > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic > and > > > is of > > > > immense value. > > > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > > > under- > > > > rated. > > > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA > NASHO’ is given in > > > â€ˊ" SARVARTHA > CHINTAMANI’ > > > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava > karaka > > > > .Naisargik, Char or > > > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer > chapter > > 33 > > > on > > > > Karakas in â€ˊ" BPHS’ > > > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > > > jyotish.Bhava > > > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > > > applicable. > > > > NASHO:This means > â€ˊ" adarshan’-i.\ e.though the > > results will > > > be there but > > > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study > â€ˊ" Bhavartha > > > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This > > will > > > give > > > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > > >  " If the different Karakas are present in their > respective > > > Bhavas, such > > > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little > results†> > > > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the > vitality > > of > > > self, > > > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal > > relations, > > > Moon > > > > in 4th mother etc. > > > > There are many exceptions: > > > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > > > finance in > > > > its dasa > > > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of > bhava > > > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed > by > > > > placement of > > > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in > > Kendra/trikona > > > > houses. In such a case, > > > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna > and > > > moon is > > > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not > harm > > > 1st and > > > > 4th house. > > > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti > > Larsen > > > in > > > > chapter seven of his book â€ˊ" JYOTISA > FUNDAMENTALS > > â€ˊ" has > > > made an in depth study , > > > > which require > > > > further research. > > > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > > > REGARDS TO ALL > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find > > in > > > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created > or > > > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only > making > > > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > > > simple holistic way. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the > ... " Karka > > > Bhava > > > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with > > Sun > > > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have > > trouble > > > wrt > > > > mother? > > > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore > I > > > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and > also > > > > Nakshatras. > > > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > > > ascertained > > > > > with the > > > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > > > and seven > > > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In > later > > > > scheme > > > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations- They > are > > > > used > > > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > > > 4). Each house has a Karka > > planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only > i.e. > > > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results > but > > > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > > > fruitfull. But a > > > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account > of > > > > other > > > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the > > native. > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > > > Rishi, > > > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham > > etc > > > > the whole > > > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't > > affect > > > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away > from > > > family, > > > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava > > nashya > > > > > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > > > destruction of > > > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > > > 33 > > > > New Members > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > New Files > > > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > Ads on > > > > Learn more now. > > > > Reach customers > > > > searching for you. > > > > > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Om krishna guru. dear gauravji, Jupiter is not karka for family so in 2nd it cannot hurt as per theorey .Pls note i am giving opinions of savants of astrology and not my personal .Even i come tru some rahu centric theorey and they hav their explanations .According to lal kitab if u dont hav any planet in 9th this jup is ur bhagya kartha. As far as your moon in parivatan its changing roles this is what i think . regrds sunil nair. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem maha laxmai namah. private consultations are chargeable. vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Nair ji, > > I am trying to understand your logic. So 2nd house is house of family. > Jupiter there then should harm the native in having a family, or make him away > from family etc...correct? moon in 4th should harm the mother, or atleast > native's relations with mother... > > Yes, I do have a parivartana between moon and mercury; and my venus is > cojoint the sun in lagna. > > Namaste > Gaurav > In a message dated 4/6/2007 2:43:41 A.M. India Standard Time, > astro_tellerkerala writes: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > life . > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > enough time to read it . > > regds sunil nair. > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department > harm > > its own department? > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > both > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > for the > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon > in > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from > small > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > basketball team of > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much > upon > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > which > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > Gopal, > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > [see > > bottom] > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > factors > > can chage it > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a > good > > work > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > rarely > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > happens > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > both > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > luster > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > such and > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > raises > > following issues: > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > now. In > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > were > > enumerated and their details > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > lay hand on > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > these works, the > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > is of > > immense value. > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > under- > > rated. > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > .Naisargik, Char or > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 > on > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > jyotish.Bhava > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > applicable. > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will > be there but > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will > give > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > >  " If the different Karakas are present in their respective > Bhavas, such > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of > self, > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, > Moon > > in 4th mother etc. > > There are many exceptions: > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > finance in > > its dasa > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > placement of > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > > houses. In such a case, > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > moon is > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > 1st and > > 4th house. > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen > in > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > made an in depth study , > > which require > > further research. > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > REGARDS TO ALL > > G.K.GOEL > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > simple holistic way. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka > Bhava > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble > wrt > > mother? > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > Namaste > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > Nakshatras. > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > ascertained > > > with the > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > and seven > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > scheme > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > used > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > fruitfull. But a > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > other > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > Rishi, > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > > the whole > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > family, > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > destruction of > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 33 > > New Members > > > > 1 > > New Files > > > > Visit Your Group > > Ads on > > Learn more now. > > Reach customers > > searching for you. > > > > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > > > > > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, > > family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID > pkgoteti@, for > > Lagna features check. > > Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and > CHAT > > consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 om krishna guru, dear gauravji , U didnot hurt me and i like grilling questions then only our knowledge will increase .And we should gaurd against so called new theoreis in already confused astrological feild as new mode education which is only based on foriegn laungage and neo scientifics devlpment make easy for these kind of ppl to play.And we r far away from our roots ,1000s years of mughals cannot do anythings but 60 years of democracy almost killed all our traditional sciences .Now some r revived because of westerners interest like ayurveda ,yoga and some classical arts. u r always welcome . regds sunil nair pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aumm Durgayai namah > > Namaste Sunil ji, > > Please forgive me if I came across otherwise in my last post, the current > discussion is solely jyotish centric. > > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 3:22:12 A.M. India Standard Time, > astro_tellerkerala writes: > > > Om krishna guru. > > dear gauravji, > > Jupiter is not karka for family so in 2nd it cannot > hurt as per theorey .Pls note i am giving opinions of savants of > astrology and not my personal .Even i come tru some rahu centric theorey > and they hav their explanations .According to lal kitab if u dont hav > any planet in 9th this jup is ur bhagya kartha. > > As far as your moon in parivatan its changing roles this is what i > think . > > regrds sunil nair. > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem maha laxmai namah. > > private consultations are chargeable. > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Namaste Nair ji, > > > > I am trying to understand your logic. So 2nd house is house of family. > > Jupiter there then should harm the native in having a family, or make > him away > > from family etc...correct? moon in 4th should harm the mother, or > atleast > > native's relations with mother... > > > > Yes, I do have a parivartana between moon and mercury; and my venus is > > cojoint the sun in lagna. > > > > Namaste > > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 2:43:41 A.M. India Standard Time, > > astro_tellerkerala@ writes: > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard > ,as > > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > > life . > > > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > > enough time to read it . > > > > regds sunil nair. > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a > department > > harm > > > its own department? > > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > > both > > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > > for the > > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and > Moon > > in > > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover > from > > small > > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health > and > > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > > basketball team of > > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment > much > > upon > > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > > which > > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > > > Gopal, > > > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > > [see > > > bottom] > > > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > > factors > > > can chage it > > > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library > a > > good > > > work > > > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > > rarely > > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > > happens > > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > > both > > > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > > luster > > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > > such and > > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > > raises > > > following issues: > > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > > now. In > > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > > were > > > enumerated and their details > > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > > lay hand on > > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access > to > > these works, the > > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > > is of > > > immense value. > > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > > under- > > > rated. > > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > > â€ˊ" SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > > .Naisargik, Char or > > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter > 33 > > on > > > Karakas in â€ˊ" BPHS’ > > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > > jyotish.Bhava > > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > > applicable. > > > NASHO:This means â€ˊ" adarshan’-i.e.though the > results will > > be there but > > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study â€ˊ" Bhavartha > > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This > will > > give > > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > >  " If the different Karakas are present in their respective > > Bhavas, such > > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality > of > > self, > > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal > relations, > > Moon > > > in 4th mother etc. > > > There are many exceptions: > > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > > finance in > > > its dasa > > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > > placement of > > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in > Kendra/trikona > > > houses. In such a case, > > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > > moon is > > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > > 1st and > > > 4th house. > > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti > Larsen > > in > > > chapter seven of his book â€ˊ" JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS > â€ˊ" has > > made an in depth study , > > > which require > > > further research. > > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > > REGARDS TO ALL > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find > in > > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > > simple holistic way. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the .... " Karka > > Bhava > > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with > Sun > > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have > trouble > > wrt > > > mother? > > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > > Nakshatras. > > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > > ascertained > > > > with the > > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > > and seven > > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > > scheme > > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > > used > > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > > 4). Each house has a Karka > planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > > fruitfull. But a > > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > > other > > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the > native. > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > > Rishi, > > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham > etc > > > the whole > > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't > affect > > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > > family, > > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava > nashya > > > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > > destruction of > > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > 33 > > > New Members > > > > > > 1 > > > New Files > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > Ads on > > > Learn more now. > > > Reach customers > > > searching for you. > > > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 If I may be allowed to add my two cents without offending and upsetting anyone (not my intention ever!) -- there is only one surefire way of resolving doubts and gaining confidence in a technique or merit of a tenet: examining its validity in charts in our individual laboratories. People who are bright, curious and critical thinkers (did I just describe this entire forum?) will only get convinced when they test things themselves. Otherwise, like the series of readings I was talking about in another context, the questions will get asked in forum after forum and the picture will get muddier and muddier. For instance KBN! The first question should not be whether it works or not, but to first ask: Which Karaka? Regards, RR vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear gauravji , > > U didnot hurt me and i like grilling questions then only our > knowledge will increase .And we should gaurd against so called new > theoreis in already confused astrological feild as new mode education > which is only based on foriegn laungage and neo scientifics devlpment > make easy for these kind of ppl to play.And we r far away from our roots > ,1000s years of mughals cannot do anythings but 60 years of democracy > almost killed all our traditional sciences .Now some r revived because > of westerners interest like ayurveda ,yoga and some classical arts. > > u r always welcome . > > regds sunil nair > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aumm Durgayai namah > > > > Namaste Sunil ji, > > > > Please forgive me if I came across otherwise in my last post, the > current > > discussion is solely jyotish centric. > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 3:22:12 A.M. India Standard Time, > > astro_tellerkerala@ writes: > > > > > > Om krishna guru. > > > > dear gauravji, > > > > Jupiter is not karka for family so in 2nd it cannot > > hurt as per theorey .Pls note i am giving opinions of savants of > > astrology and not my personal .Even i come tru some rahu centric > theorey > > and they hav their explanations .According to lal kitab if u dont hav > > any planet in 9th this jup is ur bhagya kartha. > > > > As far as your moon in parivatan its changing roles this is what i > > think . > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah. > > > > private consultations are chargeable. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > Namaste Nair ji, > > > > > > I am trying to understand your logic. So 2nd house is house of > family. > > > Jupiter there then should harm the native in having a family, or > make > > him away > > > from family etc...correct? moon in 4th should harm the mother, or > > atleast > > > native's relations with mother... > > > > > > Yes, I do have a parivartana between moon and mercury; and my venus > is > > > cojoint the sun in lagna. > > > > > > Namaste > > > Gaurav > > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 2:43:41 A.M. India Standard Time, > > > astro_tellerkerala@ writes: > > > > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > > > > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > > > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > > > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > > > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard > > ,as > > > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > > > life . > > > > > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > > > > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > > > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > > > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again > depends > > > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > > > > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > > > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > > > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > > > > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not > get > > > enough time to read it . > > > > > > regds sunil nair. > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a > > department > > > harm > > > > its own department? > > > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you > have > > > both > > > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as > worse > > > for the > > > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and > > Moon > > > in > > > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover > > from > > > small > > > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health > > and > > > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > > > basketball team of > > > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, > and > > > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment > > much > > > upon > > > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this > theory > > > which > > > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > > > > > Gopal, > > > > > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd > Mar > > > [see > > > > bottom] > > > > > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > > > factors > > > > can chage it > > > > > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a > library > > a > > > good > > > > work > > > > > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these > words > > > rarely > > > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and > opposite > > > happens > > > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to > know > > > both > > > > > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or > lack > > > luster > > > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > > > such and > > > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But > this > > > raises > > > > following issues: > > > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to > us > > > now. In > > > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic > principles > > > were > > > > enumerated and their details > > > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, > famous > > > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could > not > > > lay hand on > > > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he > got the access > > to > > > these works, the > > > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic > and > > > is of > > > > immense value. > > > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > > > under- > > > > rated. > > > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA > NASHO’ is given in > > > â€ˊ" SARVARTHA > CHINTAMANI’ > > > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava > karaka > > > > .Naisargik, Char or > > > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer > chapter > > 33 > > > on > > > > Karakas in â€ˊ" BPHS’ > > > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > > > jyotish.Bhava > > > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > > > applicable. > > > > NASHO:This means > â€ˊ" adarshan’-i.e.though the > > results will > > > be there but > > > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study > â€ˊ" Bhavartha > > > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This > > will > > > give > > > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > > >  " If the different Karakas are present in their > respective > > > Bhavas, such > > > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little > results†> > > > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the > vitality > > of > > > self, > > > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal > > relations, > > > Moon > > > > in 4th mother etc. > > > > There are many exceptions: > > > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > > > finance in > > > > its dasa > > > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of > bhava > > > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed > by > > > > placement of > > > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in > > Kendra/trikona > > > > houses. In such a case, > > > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna > and > > > moon is > > > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not > harm > > > 1st and > > > > 4th house. > > > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti > > Larsen > > > in > > > > chapter seven of his book â€ˊ" JYOTISA > FUNDAMENTALS > > â€ˊ" has > > > made an in depth study , > > > > which require > > > > further research. > > > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > > > REGARDS TO ALL > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find > > in > > > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created > or > > > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only > making > > > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > > > simple holistic way. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the > ... " Karka > > > Bhava > > > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with > > Sun > > > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have > > trouble > > > wrt > > > > mother? > > > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore > I > > > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and > also > > > > Nakshatras. > > > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > > > ascertained > > > > > with the > > > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > > > and seven > > > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In > later > > > > scheme > > > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations- They > are > > > > used > > > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > > > 4). Each house has a Karka > > planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only > i.e. > > > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results > but > > > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > > > fruitfull. But a > > > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account > of > > > > other > > > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the > > native. > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > > > Rishi, > > > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham > > etc > > > > the whole > > > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't > > affect > > > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away > from > > > family, > > > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava > > nashya > > > > > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > > > destruction of > > > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > > > 33 > > > > New Members > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > New Files > > > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > Ads on > > > > Learn more now. > > > > Reach customers > > > > searching for you. > > > > > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Dear Gaurav ji, I am sorry that my posting was entirely *lost*, on you! Particularly the segment about 'which Karaka' I did not intend to teach you -- or anyone else for that matter, for you all are TEACHERS already :-) RR vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Namaste RR ji, > > I am in agreement with you. Lets choose Jupiter as the karka and 2nd as the > house. I do not have much charts except a couple 9 including my own). So > please give me some selected charts so that we can take them up for discussion in > the forum... > > Gaurav > > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 5:10:37 A.M. India Standard Time, > rohini_ranjan writes: > > If I may be allowed to add my two cents without offending and > upsetting anyone (not my intention ever!) -- there is only one > surefire way of resolving doubts and gaining confidence in a > technique or merit of a tenet: examining its validity in charts in > our individual laboratories. People who are bright, curious and > critical thinkers (did I just describe this entire forum?) will only > get convinced when they test things themselves. Otherwise, like the > series of readings I was talking about in another context, the > questions will get asked in forum after forum and the picture will > get muddier and muddier. For instance KBN! The first question should > not be whether it works or not, but to first ask: Which Karaka? > > Regards, > > RR > > vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > dear gauravji , > > > > U didnot hurt me and i like grilling questions then only > our > > knowledge will increase .And we should gaurd against so called new > > theoreis in already confused astrological feild as new mode > education > > which is only based on foriegn laungage and neo scientifics > devlpment > > make easy for these kind of ppl to play.And we r far away from our > roots > > ,1000s years of mughals cannot do anythings but 60 years of > democracy > > almost killed all our traditional sciences .Now some r revived > because > > of westerners interest like ayurveda ,yoga and some classical arts. > > > > u r always welcome . > > > > regds sunil nair > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> web page > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aumm Durgayai namah > > > > > > Namaste Sunil ji, > > > > > > Please forgive me if I came across otherwise in my last post, the > > current > > > discussion is solely jyotish centric. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 3:22:12 A.M. India Standard Time, > > > astro_tellerkerala@ writes: > > > > > > > > > Om krishna guru. > > > > > > dear gauravji, > > > > > > Jupiter is not karka for family so in 2nd it cannot > > > hurt as per theorey .Pls note i am giving opinions of savants of > > > astrology and not my personal .Even i come tru some rahu centric > > theorey > > > and they hav their explanations .According to lal kitab if u dont > hav > > > any planet in 9th this jup is ur bhagya kartha. > > > > > > As far as your moon in parivatan its changing roles this is what i > > > think . > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah. > > > > > > private consultations are chargeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Nair ji, > > > > > > > > I am trying to understand your logic. So 2nd house is house of > > family. > > > > Jupiter there then should harm the native in having a family, or > > make > > > him away > > > > from family etc...correct? moon in 4th should harm the mother, > or > > > atleast > > > > native's relations with mother... > > > > > > > > Yes, I do have a parivartana between moon and mercury; and my > venus > > is > > > > cojoint the sun in lagna. > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 2:43:41 A.M. India Standard Time, > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > > > > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > > > > > > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > > > > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars > in 3rd > > > > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > > > > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i > heard > > > ,as > > > > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana > has no > > > > life . > > > > > > > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > > > > > > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun > as > > > > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > > > > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again > > depends > > > > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > > > > > > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding > varga if > > > > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in > lagna > > > > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > > > > > > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but > not > > get > > > > enough time to read it . > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > > > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > > > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > > > > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a > > > department > > > > harm > > > > > its own department? > > > > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then > you > > have > > > > both > > > > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as > > worse > > > > for the > > > > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > > > > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, > and > > > Moon > > > > in > > > > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to > recover > > > from > > > > small > > > > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust > health > > > and > > > > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national > junior > > > > basketball team of > > > > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > > > > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire > world, > > and > > > > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not > comment > > > much > > > > upon > > > > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > > > > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this > > theory > > > > which > > > > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Gopal, > > > > > > > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on > 22nd > > Mar > > > > [see > > > > > bottom] > > > > > > > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and > other > > > > factors > > > > > can chage it > > > > > > > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > > > > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a > > library > > > a > > > > good > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > > > > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these > > words > > > > rarely > > > > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and > > opposite > > > > happens > > > > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > > > > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > > > > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to > > know > > > > both > > > > > > > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or > > lack > > > > luster > > > > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear > that > > > > such and > > > > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. > But > > this > > > > raises > > > > > following issues: > > > > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available > to > > us > > > > now. In > > > > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic > > principles > > > > were > > > > > enumerated and their details > > > > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, > > famous > > > > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he > could > > not > > > > lay hand on > > > > > ParasaraÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he > > got the access > > > to > > > > these works, the > > > > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > > > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also > authentic > > and > > > > is of > > > > > immense value. > > > > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be > ignored or > > > > under- > > > > > rated. > > > > > The dictum,ÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢KARKA BHAVA > > NASHOÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢ is given in > > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ËÅ " SARVARTHA > > CHINTAMANIÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢ > > > > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > > > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava > > karaka > > > > > .Naisargik, Char or > > > > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer > > chapter > > > 33 > > > > on > > > > > Karakas in ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ËÅ " BPHSÃÆ'¢â ‚¬â„¢ > > > > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > > > > jyotish.Bhava > > > > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not > be > > > > applicable. > > > > > NASHO:This means > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ËÅ " adarshanÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢-i.e.though the > > > results will > > > > be there but > > > > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > > > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ËÅ " Bhavartha > > > > RatnakarÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢ authored by St. > > > > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. > B.V.Raman.This > > > will > > > > give > > > > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > > > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " If the different Karakas are present in their > > respective > > > > Bhavas, such > > > > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little > > resultsÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â > > > > > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > > > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the > > vitality > > > of > > > > self, > > > > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal > > > relations, > > > > Moon > > > > > in 4th mother etc. > > > > > There are many exceptions: > > > > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but > for > > > > finance in > > > > > its dasa > > > > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > > > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of > > bhava > > > > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be > obstructed > > by > > > > > placement of > > > > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > > > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in > > > Kendra/trikona > > > > > houses. In such a case, > > > > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in > Lagna > > and > > > > moon is > > > > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does > not > > harm > > > > 1st and > > > > > 4th house. > > > > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > > > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti > > > Larsen > > > > in > > > > > chapter seven of his book ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã‹Å " JYOTISA > > FUNDAMENTALS > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ËÅ " has > > > > made an in depth study , > > > > > which require > > > > > further research. > > > > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > > > > REGARDS TO ALL > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > > > > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava > nasha > > > > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > > > > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not > find > > > in > > > > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic > astro > > > > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > > > > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro > principles has > > > > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man > created > > or > > > > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > > > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only > > making > > > > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > > > > instead of making an astro learner understand these > principles in > > > > > simple holistic way. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the > > ... " Karka > > > > Bhava > > > > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native > with > > > Sun > > > > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have > > > trouble > > > > wrt > > > > > mother? > > > > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and > therefore > > I > > > > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard > Time, > > > > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and > > also > > > > > Nakshatras. > > > > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this > IS > > > > > ascertained > > > > > > with the > > > > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual > charts- > > > > > and seven > > > > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In > > later > > > > > scheme > > > > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations- > They > > are > > > > > used > > > > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > > > > 4). Each house has a Karka > > > planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas > only > > i.e. > > > > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the > results > > but > > > > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > > > > fruitfull. But a > > > > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on > account > > of > > > > > other > > > > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the > > > native. > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > > > > Rishi, > > > > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru > muhurtham > > > etc > > > > > the whole > > > > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will > help > > > > > > > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any > Yoga, ava > > > > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it > won't > > > affect > > > > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away > > from > > > > family, > > > > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital > bliss.... > > > > > > > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > > > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava > > > nashya > > > > > > > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > > > > destruction of > > > > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > > > > > 33 > > > > > New Members > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > New Files > > > > > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > > Ads on > > > > > Learn more now. > > > > > Reach customers > > > > > searching for you. > > > > > > > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Dear Sunil God Bless U In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter regarding your said theory. Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't allow the house to work at all. " Prem Chopra Astro-Spiritual Master astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote: om krishna guru, dear gaurav and all respected members. Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no life . guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna like .As puticular varga deals with parents. Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get enough time to read it . regds sunil nair. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department harm > its own department? > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have both > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse for the > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon in > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from small > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior basketball team of > India during my 16th year.. > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much upon > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory which > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > pkgoteti writes: > > Gopal, > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar [see > bottom] > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other factors > can chage it > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a good > work > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words rarely > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite happens > then the astrologer dig such things out > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know both > well more of the exceptions always. > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack luster > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > Best wishes > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 wrote: > Dear Friends, > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that such and > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this raises > following issues: > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us now. In > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles were > enumerated and their details > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not lay hand on > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to these works, the > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and is of > immense value. > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or under- > rated. > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > .Naisargik, Char or > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 on > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha jyotish.Bhava > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be applicable. > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will be there but > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha Ratnakar’ authored by St. > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will give > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective Bhavas, such > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> Comments of Dr. Raman: > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of self, > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, Moon > in 4th mother etc. > There are many exceptions: > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for finance in > its dasa > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > placement of > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > houses. In such a case, > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and moon is > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm 1st and > 4th house. > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen in > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has made an in depth study , > which require > further research. > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > REGARDS TO ALL > G.K.GOEL > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > principles a laughing stock. > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > simple holistic way. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt > mother? > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > Namaste > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > Dear Friends, > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > Nakshatras. > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > ascertained > > with the > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > and seven > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > scheme > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > used > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > fruitfull. But a > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > other > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > Rishi, > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > the whole > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > Best wishes > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > destruction of > > one's profession ? > > > > thank you > > > > rishi> > > > Recent Activity > > 33 > New Members > > 1 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > Ads on > Learn more now. > Reach customers > searching for you. > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Dear Members, Think on the lines when Bhava karaka placed in it's own house or in it's own nakshatra- eg 1)Jupiter placed in sagittarius(as dhana/kutumba bhava,vak bhava) for scorpio ascendant(a friend's chart); Moon placed in kataka(gruha,matru) for aries ascendants(an aquaintance chart); mars placed in dhanista4thqrtr (for siblings)for sagittarius ascendant(my own chart). regards Srinivas Quoting pramchopra1964: > Dear Sunil God Bless U In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter regarding your said theory. Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't allow the house to work at all. " Prem Chopra Astro-Spiritual Master astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote: om krishna guru, dear gaurav and all respected members. Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no life . guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna like .As puticular varga deals with parents. Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get enough time to read it . regds sunil nair. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , yobrevol wrote: > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department harm > its own department? > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have both > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse for the > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon in > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from small > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior basketball team of > India during my 16th year.. > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much upon > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory which > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > pkgoteti writes: > > Gopal, > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar [see > bottom] > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other factors > can chage it > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a good > work > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words rarely > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite happens > then the astrologer dig such things out > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know both > well more of the exceptions always. > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack luster > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > Best wishes > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 wrote: > Dear Friends, > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that such and > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this raises > following issues: > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us now. In > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles were > enumerated and their details > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not lay hand on > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to these works, the > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and is of > immense value. > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or under- > rated. > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > .Naisargik, Char or > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 on > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha jyotish.Bhava > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be applicable. > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will be there but > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha Ratnakar’ authored by St. > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will give > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective Bhavas, such > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> Comments of Dr. Raman: > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of self, > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, Moon > in 4th mother etc. > There are many exceptions: > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for finance in > its dasa > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > placement of > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > houses. In such a case, > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and moon is > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm 1st and > 4th house. > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen in > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has made an in depth study , > which require > further research. > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > REGARDS TO ALL > G.K.GOEL > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > principles a laughing stock. > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > simple holistic way. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka Bhava > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble wrt > mother? > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > Namaste > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > Dear Friends, > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > Nakshatras. > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > ascertained > > with the > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > and seven > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > scheme > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > used > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > fruitfull. But a > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > other > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > Rishi, > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > the whole > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from family, > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > Best wishes > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > destruction of > > one's profession ? > > > > thank you > > > > rishi> > > > Recent Activity > > 33 > New Members > > 1 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > Ads on > Learn more now. > Reach customers > searching for you. > > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > > > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > > > > . > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, > family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for > Lagna features check. > Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT > consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Dear Prem/Pram ji, What about situations where Jupiter has not agreed to be the " Jeeva " ? (assuming that you are using the standard Bha-Naa-Kar-Jee adage!) RR vedic astrology , Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964 wrote: > > Dear Sunil > > God Bless U > > In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter regarding your said theory. > > Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't allow the house to work at all. " > > Prem Chopra > Astro-Spiritual Master > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > om krishna guru, > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > life . > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > enough time to read it . > > regds sunil nair. > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department > harm > > its own department? > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > both > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > for the > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon > in > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from > small > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > basketball team of > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much > upon > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > which > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > Gopal, > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > [see > > bottom] > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > factors > > can chage it > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a > good > > work > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > rarely > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > happens > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > both > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > luster > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > such and > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > raises > > following issues: > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > now. In > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > were > > enumerated and their details > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > lay hand on > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > these works, the > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > is of > > immense value. > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > under- > > rated. > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > .Naisargik, Char or > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 > on > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > jyotish.Bhava > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > applicable. > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will > be there but > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will > give > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective > Bhavas, such > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of > self, > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, > Moon > > in 4th mother etc. > > There are many exceptions: > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > finance in > > its dasa > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > placement of > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > > houses. In such a case, > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > moon is > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > 1st and > > 4th house. > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen > in > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > made an in depth study , > > which require > > further research. > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > REGARDS TO ALL > > G.K.GOEL > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > simple holistic way. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka > Bhava > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble > wrt > > mother? > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > Namaste > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > Nakshatras. > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > ascertained > > > with the > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > and seven > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > scheme > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > used > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd- Mars > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > fruitfull. But a > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > other > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > Rishi, > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > > the whole > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > family, > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > destruction of > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 33 > > New Members > > > > 1 > > New Files > > > > Visit Your Group > > Ads on > > Learn more now. > > Reach customers > > searching for you. > > > > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > > > > > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > Pl give personal data with some life events with dates=jobs, marriage, > > family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID > pkgoteti@, for > > Lagna features check. > > Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and > CHAT > > consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Dear RR God Bless U It is only matter of my observance not a foresaid comparision. Whenever you relate Jupiter check My new findings may it help U the destiny of the native. Prem Chopra Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Dear Prem/Pram ji, What about situations where Jupiter has not agreed to be the " Jeeva " ? (assuming that you are using the standard Bha-Naa-Kar-Jee adage!) RR vedic astrology , Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964 wrote: > > Dear Sunil > > God Bless U > > In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter regarding your said theory. > > Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't allow the house to work at all. " > > Prem Chopra > Astro-Spiritual Master > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > om krishna guru, > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > life . > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > enough time to read it . > > regds sunil nair. > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department > harm > > its own department? > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > both > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > for the > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon > in > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from > small > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > basketball team of > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much > upon > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > which > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > Gopal, > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > [see > > bottom] > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > factors > > can chage it > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a > good > > work > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > rarely > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > happens > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > both > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > luster > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > such and > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > raises > > following issues: > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > now. In > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > were > > enumerated and their details > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > lay hand on > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > these works, the > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > is of > > immense value. > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > under- > > rated. > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > .Naisargik, Char or > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 > on > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > jyotish.Bhava > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > applicable. > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will > be there but > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will > give > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective > Bhavas, such > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of > self, > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, > Moon > > in 4th mother etc. > > There are many exceptions: > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > finance in > > its dasa > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > placement of > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > > houses. In such a case, > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > moon is > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > 1st and > > 4th house. > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen > in > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > made an in depth study , > > which require > > further research. > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > REGARDS TO ALL > > G.K.GOEL > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > simple holistic way. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka > Bhava > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble > wrt > > mother? > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > Namaste > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > Nakshatras. > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > ascertained > > > with the > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > and seven > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > scheme > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > used > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd- Mars > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > fruitfull. But a > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > other > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > Rishi, > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > > the whole > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > family, > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > destruction of > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 33 > > New Members > > > > 1 > > New Files > > > > Visit Your Group > > Ads on > > Learn more now. > > Reach customers > > searching for you. > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 om krishna guru, dear pram chopra, This theorey was advocated by some section of maharashtrian astrologers ,like vridhi karothi mandah--------------,sani increases and jup decreases the effect of house it is placed .And guru Pt .sanjay rath has jupiter in lagna ,do u feel he is not intelligent or any of significations of lagna was affected for him.Also for legendary astrologer B V raman who has jupiter in 10th house of profession ,who was consulted by dignitaries of world.I hav several examples .Pls check your theorey with 100 charts famous and ordinary. I heard rahu centric people reject jupiter as dhan karaka and they use position from rahu And use 12th house from rahu as 2nd (as vakri) and explains y some body is rich .See in bill gates 2nd lord is well placed from rahu as venus in 12th .And rahu lagna (vrichik rahu) lord mars in 11th .So they explain his rich ness. i hope u come out with your reserch and illuminate us. regds sunil nair . pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Any private consultations are chargeable. -- In vedic astrology , Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964 wrote: > > Dear Sunil > > God Bless U > > In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter regarding your said theory. > > Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't allow the house to work at all. " > > Prem Chopra > Astro-Spiritual Master > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > om krishna guru, > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard ,as > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > life . > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > enough time to read it . > > regds sunil nair. > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a department > harm > > its own department? > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > both > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > for the > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and Moon > in > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover from > small > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health and > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > basketball team of > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment much > upon > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > which > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > Gaurav > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > Gopal, > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > [see > > bottom] > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > factors > > can chage it > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library a > good > > work > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > rarely > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > happens > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > both > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > luster > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > such and > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > raises > > following issues: > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > now. In > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > were > > enumerated and their details > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > lay hand on > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > these works, the > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > is of > > immense value. > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > under- > > rated. > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > .Naisargik, Char or > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter 33 > on > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > jyotish.Bhava > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > applicable. > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results will > be there but > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This will > give > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective > Bhavas, such > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality of > self, > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal relations, > Moon > > in 4th mother etc. > > There are many exceptions: > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > finance in > > its dasa > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > placement of > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in Kendra/trikona > > houses. In such a case, > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > moon is > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > 1st and > > 4th house. > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti Larsen > in > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > made an in depth study , > > which require > > further research. > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > REGARDS TO ALL > > G.K.GOEL > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find in > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > simple holistic way. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka > Bhava > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with Sun > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have trouble > wrt > > mother? > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > Namaste > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > Nakshatras. > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > ascertained > > > with the > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > and seven > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > scheme > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > used > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > 4). Each house has a Karka planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > fruitfull. But a > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > other > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the native. > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > Rishi, > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham etc > > the whole > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't affect > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > family, > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava nashya > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > destruction of > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 33 > > New Members > > > > 1 > > New Files > > > > Visit Your Group > > Ads on > > Learn more now. > > Reach customers > > searching for you. > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Sunil ji, These kind of catchy " one liners " have been around in Jyotish for a long time. Some are great, others may and should be questioned despite their 'charm' :-) Poet 'Ghag' is attributed to many astro and nimitta - related one liners as also the Great astrologer of Bengal (Khana or KhOnaa). This one about jupiter and saturn which sounds counter-intuitive since jupiter is the amplifier and saturn reducer (roles reversed in the one liner) or the other recently 'masticated' one -- dealing with karaka destroying the house it signifies, if there -- is another example. You gave good examples and could have added another jyotishi's chart, one who has attained a very high administrative position in Indian Public Service and and equal or higher one in International astrological scene. Many many many other examples abound, but people generally do not like to take the hard path of testing these attractive tenets before turning them into slogans with the implication that they have been tested and found true. Now, mind you, the original pronouncers of these rules were not dishonest and must have reported these based on empirical obsrvations. How much uha-poha then was involved (in trying to see if other explanations worked in their observed cases) is anybody's guess, particularly when it is even difficult to know or not popularly known who said it first and in which text, etc. Therefore, some jyotishis call these, the old wive's tales in jyotish. I am just using the popular saying and not in a sexist sense. RR vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear pram chopra, > > This theorey was advocated by some > section of maharashtrian astrologers ,like vridhi karothi > mandah--------------,sani increases and jup decreases the effect of > house it is placed .And guru Pt .sanjay rath has jupiter in lagna ,do u > feel he is not intelligent or any of significations of lagna was > affected for him.Also for legendary astrologer B V raman who has jupiter > in 10th house of profession ,who was consulted by dignitaries of world.I > hav several examples .Pls check your theorey with 100 charts famous and > ordinary. > > I heard rahu centric people reject jupiter as dhan karaka and > they use position from rahu And use 12th house from rahu as 2nd (as > vakri) and explains y some body is rich .See in bill gates 2nd lord is > well placed from rahu as venus in 12th .And rahu lagna (vrichik rahu) > lord mars in 11th .So they explain his rich ness. > > i hope u come out with your reserch and illuminate us. > > > > regds sunil nair . > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > Any private consultations are chargeable. > > > > -- In vedic astrology , Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil > > > > God Bless U > > > > In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter regarding > your said theory. > > > > Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't allow > the house to work at all. " > > > > Prem Chopra > > Astro-Spiritual Master > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard > ,as > > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > > life . > > > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > > enough time to read it . > > > > regds sunil nair. > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a > department > > harm > > > its own department? > > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > > both > > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > > for the > > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and > Moon > > in > > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover > from > > small > > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health > and > > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > > basketball team of > > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment > much > > upon > > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > > which > > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > > > Gopal, > > > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > > [see > > > bottom] > > > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > > factors > > > can chage it > > > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library > a > > good > > > work > > > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > > rarely > > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > > happens > > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > > both > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > > luster > > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > > such and > > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > > raises > > > following issues: > > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > > now. In > > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > > were > > > enumerated and their details > > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > > lay hand on > > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > > these works, the > > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > > is of > > > immense value. > > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > > under- > > > rated. > > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > > .Naisargik, Char or > > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter > 33 > > on > > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > > jyotish.Bhava > > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > > applicable. > > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results > will > > be there but > > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This > will > > give > > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective > > Bhavas, such > > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality > of > > self, > > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal > relations, > > Moon > > > in 4th mother etc. > > > There are many exceptions: > > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > > finance in > > > its dasa > > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > > placement of > > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in > Kendra/trikona > > > houses. In such a case, > > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > > moon is > > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > > 1st and > > > 4th house. > > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti > Larsen > > in > > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > > made an in depth study , > > > which require > > > further research. > > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > > REGARDS TO ALL > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find > in > > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > > simple holistic way. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka > > Bhava > > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with > Sun > > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have > trouble > > wrt > > > mother? > > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > > Nakshatras. > > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > > ascertained > > > > with the > > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > > and seven > > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > > scheme > > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > > used > > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > > 4). Each house has a Karka > planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > > fruitfull. But a > > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > > other > > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the > native. > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > > Rishi, > > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham > etc > > > the whole > > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't > affect > > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > > family, > > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava > nashya > > > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > > destruction of > > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > 33 > > > New Members > > > > > > 1 > > > New Files > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > Ads on > > > Learn more now. > > > Reach customers > > > searching for you. > > > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 dear friends there are similar oft quoted verses like " bhava nasha karo jeeva " etc. jupiter or brihaspati is the guru of devatas. jupiter is the best benefic planet in the solar system. jupiter in lagna has the power to remove all doshams in the chart. many inauspicious yogas get cancelled by jupiter's benign aspect or conjunction. when jupiter is weak or debilitated in a chart we only say that jupiter is not able to help the native better because of his weak strength and we never say that he is a malefic and he causes harm or say that he gives inauspicious results during his period. jupiter's stone yellow sapphire is worn by any native without any recommendation. some modern researchers have come up with new theories that what was perceived good being given by jupiter in yesteryears is not what the modern man wants. to criticise jupiter as doing harm or spoiling a house is disrespect to the guru of devatas. earlier in a similar thread on jupiter bashing, some members opined that jupiter is like a light and hence other houses get benefited but the house in which jupiter is remains in dark. illogical logics. one enthusiastic astrologer even presented a paper stating that it was jupiter which caused all humane problems and miseries to lord rama and jupiter was the culprit to be blamed for lord rama's sufferings. an ordinary human astrologer of kaliyuga capable enough of finding the causes (jupiter as culprit) of lord rama's sacrifices or leelas in tretayuga! with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear pram chopra, > > This theorey was advocated by some > section of maharashtrian astrologers ,like vridhi karothi > mandah--------------,sani increases and jup decreases the effect of > house it is placed .And guru Pt .sanjay rath has jupiter in lagna ,do u > feel he is not intelligent or any of significations of lagna was > affected for him.Also for legendary astrologer B V raman who has jupiter > in 10th house of profession ,who was consulted by dignitaries of world.I > hav several examples .Pls check your theorey with 100 charts famous and > ordinary. > > I heard rahu centric people reject jupiter as dhan karaka and > they use position from rahu And use 12th house from rahu as 2nd (as > vakri) and explains y some body is rich .See in bill gates 2nd lord is > well placed from rahu as venus in 12th .And rahu lagna (vrichik rahu) > lord mars in 11th .So they explain his rich ness. > > i hope u come out with your reserch and illuminate us. > > > > regds sunil nair . > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > Any private consultations are chargeable. > > > > -- In vedic astrology , Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil > > > > God Bless U > > > > In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter regarding > your said theory. > > > > Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't allow > the house to work at all. " > > > > Prem Chopra > > Astro-Spiritual Master > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in 3rd > > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i heard > ,as > > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has no > > life . > > > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again depends > > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga if > > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but not get > > enough time to read it . > > > > regds sunil nair. > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > <http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a > department > > harm > > > its own department? > > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you have > > both > > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as worse > > for the > > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, and > Moon > > in > > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to recover > from > > small > > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust health > and > > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national junior > > basketball team of > > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, and > > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not comment > much > > upon > > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this theory > > which > > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > > > Gopal, > > > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on 22nd Mar > > [see > > > bottom] > > > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and other > > factors > > > can chage it > > > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a library > a > > good > > > work > > > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these words > > rarely > > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and opposite > > happens > > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to know > > both > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or lack > > luster > > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear that > > such and > > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But this > > raises > > > following issues: > > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available to us > > now. In > > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic principles > > were > > > enumerated and their details > > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, famous > > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he could not > > lay hand on > > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > > these works, the > > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also authentic and > > is of > > > immense value. > > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored or > > under- > > > rated. > > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava karaka > > > .Naisargik, Char or > > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer chapter > 33 > > on > > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > > jyotish.Bhava > > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > > applicable. > > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results > will > > be there but > > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. B.V.Raman.This > will > > give > > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective > > Bhavas, such > > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the vitality > of > > self, > > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal > relations, > > Moon > > > in 4th mother etc. > > > There are many exceptions: > > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but for > > finance in > > > its dasa > > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of bhava > > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be obstructed by > > > placement of > > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in > Kendra/trikona > > > houses. In such a case, > > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in Lagna and > > moon is > > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not harm > > 1st and > > > 4th house. > > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti > Larsen > > in > > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > > made an in depth study , > > > which require > > > further research. > > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > > REGARDS TO ALL > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not find > in > > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic astro > > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles has > > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man created or > > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only making > > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles in > > > simple holistic way. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on the ... " Karka > > Bhava > > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native with > Sun > > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have > trouble > > wrt > > > mother? > > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and therefore I > > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and also > > > Nakshatras. > > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > > ascertained > > > > with the > > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual charts- > > > and seven > > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In later > > > scheme > > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations-They are > > > used > > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > > 4). Each house has a Karka > planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only i.e. > > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the results but > > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > > fruitfull. But a > > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on account of > > > other > > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the > native. > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > > Rishi, > > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru muhurtham > etc > > > the whole > > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, ava > > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't > affect > > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away from > > family, > > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava > nashya > > > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > > destruction of > > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > 33 > > > New Members > > > > > > 1 > > > New Files > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > Ads on > > > Learn more now. > > > Reach customers > > > searching for you. > > > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Dear friend, The August Conference here is still trying to figure out the destruction of the bhava by the karaka hammer. Until such time as total destruction is not attained, we are prohibited by Divine Decree to begin any reconstruction. Please wait and please do not distract us from our one-pointed meditative concentration ;-) RR <Just KIDDING!> vedic astrology , saumya ray chaudhuri <saumya wrote: > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji and other learned members, > Could you pl explain what is " Karako bhava vridhi " . > Thank you > best regards > saumya > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > Sunil ji, > > These kind of catchy " one liners " have been around in Jyotish for a > long time. Some are great, others may and should be questioned > despite their 'charm' :-) Poet 'Ghag' is attributed to many astro and > nimitta - related one liners as also the Great astrologer of Bengal > (Khana or KhOnaa). > > This one about jupiter and saturn which sounds counter-intuitive > since jupiter is the amplifier and saturn reducer (roles reversed in > the one liner) or the other recently 'masticated' one -- dealing with > karaka destroying the house it signifies, if there -- is another > example. > > You gave good examples and could have added another jyotishi's chart, > one who has attained a very high administrative position in Indian > Public Service and and equal or higher one in International > astrological scene. Many many many other examples abound, but people > generally do not like to take the hard path of testing these > attractive tenets before turning them into slogans with the > implication that they have been tested and found true. > > Now, mind you, the original pronouncers of these rules were not > dishonest and must have reported these based on empirical > obsrvations. How much uha-poha then was involved (in trying to see if > other explanations worked in their observed cases) is anybody's > guess, particularly when it is even difficult to know or not > popularly known who said it first and in which text, etc. Therefore, > some jyotishis call these, the old wive's tales in jyotish. I am just > using the popular saying and not in a sexist sense. > > RR > > > vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " > wrote: > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > dear pram chopra, > > > > This theorey was advocated by some > > section of maharashtrian astrologers ,like vridhi karothi > > mandah--------------,sani increases and jup decreases the effect of > > house it is placed .And guru Pt .sanjay rath has jupiter in > lagna ,do u > > feel he is not intelligent or any of significations of lagna was > > affected for him.Also for legendary astrologer B V raman who has > jupiter > > in 10th house of profession ,who was consulted by dignitaries of > world.I > > hav several examples .Pls check your theorey with 100 charts > famous and > > ordinary. > > > > I heard rahu centric people reject jupiter as dhan karaka > and > > they use position from rahu And use 12th house from rahu as 2nd (as > > vakri) and explains y some body is rich .See in bill gates 2nd > lord is > > well placed from rahu as venus in 12th .And rahu lagna (vrichik > rahu) > > lord mars in 11th .So they explain his rich ness. > > > > i hope u come out with your reserch and illuminate us. > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair . > > > > pt.sunilnair@ web page > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > Any private consultations are chargeable. > > > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology , Pram Chopra > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil > > > > > > God Bless U > > > > > > In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter > regarding > > your said theory. > > > > > > Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't > allow > > the house to work at all. " > > > > > > Prem Chopra > > > Astro-Spiritual Master > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > > > dear gaurav and all respected members. > > > > > > Karako bhava nashaya theorey is applicable > > > to jeeva karakas,means karakas with life ,so sun in 9th ,mars in > 3rd > > > and moon in 4th and jup in 11 th all can harm there respective > > > signifactions repesented by those houses.This is one theoey i > heard > > ,as > > > far as jup in 2nd as dhana karaka ,it cannot kill it as dhana has > no > > > life . > > > > > > guravji is ur moon is in parivartana with merc? . > > > > > > In naadis as i am trying to learn some technics never said sun as > > > lagna karak is bad but it may giv domination tendencies and may > > > eyesight problems and lose of hair in olden days ,but it again > depends > > > on yuti and aspects .But enemy planets of sun in lagna is bad . > > > > > > In sheshadri iyyes techniqs he says karaka in corresponding varga > if > > > placed in lagna is bad for eg --sun in d-12 lagna or moon in lagna > > > like .As puticular varga deals with parents. > > > > > > Pls others and gurus can contribute ,I hav vishtijis book ,but > not get > > > enough time to read it . > > > > > > regds sunil nair. > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ > > http://www.indiamaet.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > Namaste Pandit ji, Gopal ji, Pkgoteti ji, et al, > > > > > > > > The issue still remains, how can the portfolio manager of a > > department > > > harm > > > > its own department? > > > > Besides the logic, that " in case " there is affliction, then you > have > > > both > > > > the house and the karka suffering which would make it twice as > worse > > > for the > > > > concerned house..I still want to probe help into this.. > > > > > > > > My reasons are not unfounded. I have myself got Sun in Lagna, > and > > Moon > > > in > > > > 4th. and I throughout my life found it relatively easy to > recover > > from > > > small > > > > injuries, never had serious issues (until recently), robust > health > > and > > > > physically strong enough to quickly make it to the national > junior > > > basketball team of > > > > India during my 16th year.. > > > > > > > > As for my mother, she is my closest friend in the entire world, > and > > > > generally has enjoyed good health all her life.. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 2nd I have exalted, results of which I can not > comment > > much > > > upon > > > > since its Mahadasa has just started...so time will tell... > > > > > > > > Some time ago, Sri.Hemant Trivedi ji was also advocating this > theory > > > which > > > > some success as far as his own experiences are concerned. > > > > > > > > Perhaps savants would go more deep into this.. > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 11:33:05 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > pkgoteti@ writes: > > > > > > > > Gopal, > > > > > > > > well laid out, I had replied to this thread too as u see on > 22nd Mar > > > [see > > > > bottom] > > > > > > > > where i had said it must not be a blind interpretation. and > other > > > factors > > > > can chage it > > > > > > > > u have laid the sources and the exceptions well, > > > > > > > > I had read BVR's Bavartha ratakaraka nearly 24 yrs ago in a > library > > a > > > good > > > > work > > > > > > > > BUT WHAT I AND Pt arjun said is not outright dismissal but > > > > > > > > the way it is used to get away with a failed prediction, these > words > > > rarely > > > > come at first if u get a prediction of some good things and > opposite > > > happens > > > > then the astrologer dig such things out > > > > > > > > but if they had said these at start itself will be good > > > > > > > > the exceptions are there for MOST RULES and it is important to > know > > > both > > > > well more of the exceptions always. > > > > > > > > > > > > people born with Sun in Lagna or Emaciated, asthmatic, weak or > lack > > > luster > > > > in their appearances, prone to allergies a frail lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I personally attend many conferences and it is common to hear > that > > > such and > > > > such yogas or dictum is not given by the sages of the yore. But > this > > > raises > > > > following issues: > > > > 1) All the literature written in ancient era is not available > to us > > > now. In > > > > the absence of printing presses and paper, main and basic > principles > > > were > > > > enumerated and their details > > > > and additional information was given by word of mouth. Even, > famous > > > > commentator of works of Varha Mihira had indicated that he > could not > > > lay hand on > > > > Parasara’s Hora Shastra and Samita.Had he got the access to > > > these works, the > > > > style of his commentary would have been quite different. > > > > 2) The Karikas and subsequent Jatak literature is also > authentic and > > > is of > > > > immense value. > > > > The yogas and dicta given in this literature can not be ignored > or > > > under- > > > > rated. > > > > The dictum,’KARKA BHAVA NASHO’ is given in > > > ‘SARVARTHA CHINTAMANI’ > > > > This dictum has three words which mean as under: > > > > Karaka: this refers to Bhava Karaka only, I repeat only bhava > karaka > > > > .Naisargik, Char or > > > > Sthir karakas are not covered in this dictum. One can refer > chapter > > 33 > > > on > > > > Karakas in ‘BPHS’ > > > > BHAVA: one sign will contain one bhava as per dictum of Arsha > > > jyotish.Bhava > > > > systems as per Shripati, Keshav, Tajic orKP systems will not be > > > applicable. > > > > NASHO:This means ‘adarshan’-i.e.though the results > > will > > > be there but > > > > benefit will not be fully realized or felt. > > > > I Strongly SUGGEST that kindly study ‘Bhavartha > > > Ratnakar’ authored by St. > > > > Ramanujacharya and translated and commented by Dr. > B.V.Raman.This > > will > > > give > > > > Fairly good idea on this very complex matter. > > > > Sloka9 Chapter2 of this classic says: > > > > “If the different Karakas are present in their respective > > > Bhavas, such > > > > bhavas lose vitality and give rise to little results†> > > > Comments of Dr. Raman: > > > > This is an important stanza. Sun in lagna will affects the > vitality > > of > > > self, > > > > in9th of father, Mars in 3rd siblings, Rahu in 6th maternal > > relations, > > > Moon > > > > in 4th mother etc. > > > > There are many exceptions: > > > > a. Jupiter in 2nd is not bad for knowledge and prosperity but > for > > > finance in > > > > its dasa > > > > b. Saturn in 8th is not bad for longevity > > > > c. if KARKA is with bhava lord , it will promote indication of > bhava > > > > d. If planet is in any yoga, such results will not be > obstructed by > > > > placement of > > > > KARAKA IN ITS SIGNIFIED BHAVA. > > > > e. IF Jupiter is lord of 1st or 5th house and placed in > > Kendra/trikona > > > > houses. In such a case, > > > > even in 5th house will not harm 5th house. Sun in Aries in > Lagna and > > > moon is > > > > in4th simultaneously; this is a par-excellent yoga and does not > harm > > > 1st and > > > > 4th house. > > > > This is a complex issue and needs in depth study. > > > > A strong Karaka always strengthen it designated bhava.Mr Visti > > Larsen > > > in > > > > chapter seven of his book ‘JYOTISA FUNDAMENTALS ‘ has > > > made an in depth study , > > > > which require > > > > further research. > > > > The savants should avoid premature and hasty comments. > > > > REGARDS TO ALL > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends > > > > > > > > may all those who blindly push the theory of karaka bhava nasha > > > > mention the source of this verse and its meaning. > > > > > > > > neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra yoga does not > find > > in > > > > ancient orient classics but are pushed which makes the basic > astro > > > > principles a laughing stock. > > > > > > > > pushing theories contradicting the very basic astro principles > has > > > > become the order of the day with so many man made or man > created or > > > > recently discovered yogas which do not find in original astro > > > > classics. by publicisng such contrarian new theories is only > making > > > > the maze of astro principle more perplexed and more obfuscated > > > > instead of making an astro learner understand these principles > in > > > > simple holistic way. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , yobrevol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Durgayai Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste G.K.Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > May I please request you to share any references on > the ... " Karka > > > Bhava > > > > > NASHO.. " that you wrote in your message below. So a native > with > > Sun > > > > in lagna with > have failing health? or Moon in 4th will have > > trouble > > > wrt > > > > mother? > > > > These delineations are in contrast to classics view, and > therefore I > > > > would like to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:20:41 P.M. India Standard Time, > > > > > gkgoel1937@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > There are four types of Karkas-Significators: > > > > > 1). Natural signification(s) of Planets , Signs , Houses and > also > > > > Nakshatras. > > > > > Every nativity also have its combined signification - this IS > > > > ascertained > > > > > with the > > > > > help of Nabhas yogas. > > > > > 2). Char karkas- they are eight in number for individual > charts- > > > > and seven > > > > > in number for Mundane charts like charts of nations etc .In > later > > > > scheme > > > > > Putra Char Karka is not considered along with Rahu > > > > > 3). Sthir - Fixed KARKAS representing specific relations- They > are > > > > used > > > > > to find out the bad periods or death of relatives. > > > > > 4). Each house has a Karka > > planet-like:1st-Sun,2nd-Jupiter,3rd-Mars > > > > > and so on.Karka Bhava NASHO is aplicable to these Karkas only > i.e. > > > > > if Sun is placed in 1st house and so on. > > > > > Nasha is sanskrit word which means that one do get the > results but > > > > > does not benifit from such result - outcome recived is not > > > > fruitfull. But a > > > > > planet when placed in its karka Bhava gives results on > account of > > > > other > > > > > reasons and yogas. Such results wll be fully relised by the > > native. > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me Shubha Vela pkgoteti@ wrote: > > > > Rishi, > > > > > the the karakas like atma, amatya etc are part of Jaimini' s > > > > > > > > > > Same as mixing rahu kala, gulika kala, Vajjavyam, duru > muhurtham > > etc > > > > the whole > > > > > day becomes in auspicious if u do, follow one system will help > > > > > > > > > > here the karaka bhava nashaya must be treated like any Yoga, > ava > > > > yoga such dasa must operate. > > > > > > > > > > say if sukra isin 7th and one doesn't run sukra dasa it won't > > affect > > > > marriage prospects but possibly married life in some stay away > from > > > family, > > > > or frequent travels outside home and miss the marital bliss.... > > > > > > > > > > NO RULE MUST BE LITERALLY APPLIED, its spirit must be > > > > understood and then modified to times, culture,, place etc. > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please elaborate on this concept of karako bhava > > nashya > > > > > > > > > > e.g is Amatya Karak is in 10th house does it mean complete > > > > destruction of > > > > > one's profession ? > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > rishi> > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > > > 33 > > > > New Members > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > New Files > > > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > Ads on > > > > Learn more now. > > > > Reach customers > > > > searching for you. > > > > > > > > Y! 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Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Om krishna guru, respected Ranjan da , Brahmashree pt.dakhshina moorthyji, namaskar and pranam, Thanks for the illuminating post and participating in discussions .Hope more gurus will come forwrd with their opinions . ranjan da i know u r mentioning abt great karmayogi and astrologer sri K N Rao who has has jupiter in 10th house ,yes while writing i thought of adding it but was little bit confused . Pt.dakshina moorthiji actualy i purposefully refrained from commenting other aspects of sun in lagna . I expect some body should come out with their experience with jupiter in 5th as santan karak and venus in 7th as spouse karak. Pls contribute in this discussions . regrds sunil nair. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair web page http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> Any private consultations will be chargeable. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Sunil ji, > > These kind of catchy " one liners " have been around in Jyotish for a > long time. Some are great, others may and should be questioned > despite their 'charm' :-) Poet 'Ghag' is attributed to many astro and > nimitta - related one liners as also the Great astrologer of Bengal > (Khana or KhOnaa). > > This one about jupiter and saturn which sounds counter-intuitive > since jupiter is the amplifier and saturn reducer (roles reversed in > the one liner) or the other recently 'masticated' one -- dealing with > karaka destroying the house it signifies, if there -- is another > example. > > You gave good examples and could have added another jyotishi's chart, > one who has attained a very high administrative position in Indian > Public Service and and equal or higher one in International > astrological scene. Many many many other examples abound, but people > generally do not like to take the hard path of testing these > attractive tenets before turning them into slogans with the > implication that they have been tested and found true. > > Now, mind you, the original pronouncers of these rules were not > dishonest and must have reported these based on empirical > obsrvations. How much uha-poha then was involved (in trying to see if > other explanations worked in their observed cases) is anybody's > guess, particularly when it is even difficult to know or not > popularly known who said it first and in which text, etc. Therefore, > some jyotishis call these, the old wive's tales in jyotish. I am just > using the popular saying and not in a sexist sense. > > RR > > > vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > dear pram chopra, > > > > This theorey was advocated by some > > section of maharashtrian astrologers ,like vridhi karothi > > mandah--------------,sani increases and jup decreases the effect of > > house it is placed .And guru Pt .sanjay rath has jupiter in > lagna ,do u > > feel he is not intelligent or any of significations of lagna was > > affected for him.Also for legendary astrologer B V raman who has > jupiter > > in 10th house of profession ,who was consulted by dignitaries of > world.I > > hav several examples .Pls check your theorey with 100 charts > famous and > > ordinary. > > > > I heard rahu centric people reject jupiter as dhan karaka > and > > they use position from rahu And use 12th house from rahu as 2nd (as > > vakri) and explains y some body is rich .See in bill gates 2nd > lord is > > well placed from rahu as venus in 12th .And rahu lagna (vrichik > rahu) > > lord mars in 11th .So they explain his rich ness. > > > > i hope u come out with your reserch and illuminate us. > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair . > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@ web page > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > Any private consultations are chargeable. > > > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology , Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil > > > > > > God Bless U > > > > > > In My Opinion I find new theory of observation about Jupiter > regarding > > your said theory. > > > > > > Whatever the house (any house) Jupiter is posited in " doesn't > allow > > the house to work at all. " > > > > > > Prem Chopra > > > Astro-Spiritual Master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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