Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Hello, I have joined in as a new member and not sure what really to expect. However I have a query that I need to put on the forum. One of the Native has the following planetary positions : Ascendant : Mithuna ( Gemini) Second House : Saturn and Sun Third : Venus and Mercury Fourth : Moon Sixth : Rahu and Neptune Eleventh House : Jupiter Twelth House: Mars and Ketu I am particularly interested in understanding the effect on this native with respect to his Sixth house ( Rahu and Neptune Together) and the twelth house. I am student of astrology and seek guidance accordingly. Pl advice.. Suniel Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Wendy, Sure , I understand. Patience would be exercised.. The Birth Details are as follows in addition to those given in my earlier mail. Birth date : 11Th August 1975. time 03.12 am Place : Solapur Maharashtra India. As per your third point , are you saying that the outer planet do not have any significance in the birth chart? Kindly revert. Reg Suniel Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Suniel, First: There are only a (very) few members answering queries here and it's just not possible to respond to everyone as quickly as they'd like...patience is required! Second: You must give the full birth details so members can look at the chart. Third: The outer planets (Neptune, Uranus, Pluto) are not used in Vedic astrology. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Suniel Mande " <sunielmande <jyotish-vidya > Friday, May 16, 2008 10:29 PM Re: Query. Dear all, Any feedback on the mail below.. I just wanted to know the effect of such a conjunction .. If some one can advice. I am not expecting any prediction for the native. Reg Suniel Suniel Mande <sunielmande wrote: Hello, I have joined in as a new member and not sure what really to expect. However I have a query that I need to put on the forum. One of the Native has the following planetary positions : Ascendant : Mithuna ( Gemini) Second House : Saturn and Sun Third : Venus and Mercury Fourth : Moon Sixth : Rahu and Neptune Eleventh House : Jupiter Twelth House: Mars and Ketu I am particularly interested in understanding the effect on this native with respect to his Sixth house ( Rahu and Neptune Together) and the twelth house. I am student of astrology and seek guidance accordingly. Pl advice.. Suniel Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Suniel, You had asked: //I am particularly interested in understanding the effect on this native with respect to his Sixth house ( Rahu and Neptune Together) and the twelth house.// As Rahu is a first-rate malefic, his placement in a dusthana is generally favourable in terms of his ability to defeat one's enemies and rise above competitors. Rahu here often indicates ability in detail work, wealth through such work and good health (generally). However, 6th lord Mars conjunct Ketu in 12th is a definite negative, indicating difficulties/losses in all of the above...troubled by secret enemies, indebtedness etc.. Of course these are generalities (not taking into account the rest of the chart). //As per your third point , are you saying that the outer planet do not have any significance in the birth chart?// That's correct! trans-Saturnine planets have no part to play in Vedic astrology. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Suniel Mande " <sunielmande <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:46 PM Re: Re: Query. Dear Wendy, Sure , I understand. Patience would be exercised.. The Birth Details are as follows in addition to those given in my earlier mail. Birth date : 11Th August 1975. time 03.12 am Place : Solapur Maharashtra India. As per your third point , are you saying that the outer planet do not have any significance in the birth chart? Kindly revert. Reg Suniel Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Suniel, First: There are only a (very) few members answering queries here and it's just not possible to respond to everyone as quickly as they'd like...patience is required! Second: You must give the full birth details so members can look at the chart. Third: The outer planets (Neptune, Uranus, Pluto) are not used in Vedic astrology. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 PS: The following appears in BPHS (Ch.24, sloka 72) http://jyotishvidya.com/ch24.htm *72. If the 6th lord is in the 12th, the native will always spend on vices, be hostile to learned people, and will torture living beings.* You should also read the article " Vedanga " for a better understanding of trans-Saturnine planets. http://jyotishvidya.com/vedanga.htm Part of which is pasted below... *According to the teaching of the rishis, the Janma Kundali (Vedic horoscope) is an act of Creation. We are taught that, at the moment of birth, the divine planets (NavaGrahas) manifest as a new entity (a new creation) and the Rasis (signs of the zodiac) manifest as the twelve Bhavas (houses of the horoscope). The sign that has become the bhava is an act of Creation as certain and unchangeable as the re-creation of the navagrahas (nine divine planets) at the moment of birth. The Trans-Saturnine planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto) do not have this quality to recreate - perhaps due to their distance from our Sun who is known as the soul of all living beings. The indisputable fact, according to the sages, is that only the planets from Sun through to Saturn, along with the devious nakshatra (hidden in their midst), drank of the nectar of immortality which gave them the ability to recreate each time an entity is born. As the sages tell us, we are " the personification of the universe " . When we're born, the divine planets (navagrahas) are no longer just physical objects in the sky and the signs of the zodiac, having manifested as the twelve bhavas, are no longer just visible constellations.* ___ Dear Suniel, You had asked: //I am particularly interested in understanding the effect on this native with respect to his Sixth house ( Rahu and Neptune Together) and the twelth house.// As Rahu is a first-rate malefic, his placement in a dusthana is generally favourable in terms of his ability to defeat one's enemies and rise above competitors. Rahu here often indicates ability in detail work, wealth through such work and good health (generally). However, 6th lord Mars conjunct Ketu in 12th is a definite negative, indicating difficulties/losses in all of the above...troubled by secret enemies, indebtedness etc.. Of course these are generalities (not taking into account the rest of the chart). //As per your third point , are you saying that the outer planet do not have any significance in the birth chart?// That's correct! trans-Saturnine planets have no part to play in Vedic astrology. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 On May 17, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > You should also read the article " Vedanga " for a better > understanding of > trans-Saturnine planets. http://jyotishvidya.com/vedanga.htm > Wendy, I enjoyed your article. As I read it, your conclusion is that Uranus, Neptune and Pluto (which now isn't even a " planet " , lol) can not, under any circumstances, ever be useful or included in " Vedic " astrology. The title of your article, however is " Vedanga " . This is VERY informative. The Veda is not a static text. It is a dynamic body of knowledge that expands organically through history. Param-Sadhus like Sri Vyas, etc. have Divya-Chakshu for sure - they have " divine eyes " or their vision is informed by the Supreme Godhead. Thus they can see and understand whatever the Supreme wants them to see and understand, even if that vision and knowledge under normal circumstances would be impossibly beyond human comprehension and perception. Yet, is there mention of Uranus, Neptune, etc. in either Jyotish Shastras or other more astronomical vedangic texts? I have not researched. The answer could be yet or no. Either way, by the grace of the same Supreme Godhead humanity now knows that they do exist. So although these planets were not mentioned in the Vedic text we have in the present day, they MAY BE mentioned in the Vedic text we contribute to in the future. My point is that my opinion on Trans- Saturnian planets in Vedic astrology is less clear cut than yours. Do these cast an influence on human beings living on earth? Personally my hunch is " no. " My reasoning is that they are not VISIBLE to human beings. Astronomy is the study of what is really out there. Astrology is not concerned with what is really out there, it is concerned with what apparently is out there from the viewpoint of human beings on earth. I personally believe that planets you cannot see cannot see you either. Might I be wrong? Of course. Then maybe we SHOULD include Uranus, Neptune etc. in our calculations? No. Not yet anyway. Or at least not on the same level as the other planets. Vedic Astrology is so reliable because it has been compiled over thousands of years (if not more), facts have been tested, re- tested, and cross-checked across probably billions of horoscopes and today we have reliable information about, for example, how mars influences the dispensation of karma, or how venus does so, jupiter etc. We DO NOT have this information about other planets. Thus, EVEN IF the far distant planets DO have influence on the karma of human beings on earth (which is up for debate), even in that case we must wait a few thousand years to confidently ascertain what the characteristics of these new planets are before we should start including them in our advice to the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 On May 17, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > As Rahu is a first-rate malefic, his placement in a dusthana is > generally > favourable... > My understanding of the inauspicious planets is that they go in this order: - Sun is the least inauspicious - Mars is inauspicious - Saturn is the most inauspicious I know that Rahu and Ketu are not good guys. But where do they fit into the scale above? Also what bearing does their intrinsic nature as ashubha / malefic have on the fact that they are shadows and mimickers and behave like whomever they are in association with? The auspicious planets are - Moon is the least auspicious - Venus is auspicious - Jupiter is the most auspicious The remaining planet is our friend, Mercury. s/he is (in so many ways) " either / or " . Sort of balanced between the two categories and very easily influenced by his/her association (due to being so balanced.) As such, everything is nicely equal, fair and balanced. There are three inauspicious planets, three auspicious planets and one in between. If you throw Rahu and Ketu onto the bad-guy's side, all the sudden the picture becomes very lopsided (especially since they each aspect 3 houses!) So are Rahu and Ketu truly malefic planets? Or are they more neutral with malefic tendencies but highly impressionable, more in the middle of the scale like swift Mercury? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. - Vic www.weare108.com http://web.mac.com/vicdicara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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