Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 thanks bhaskarji, i may be wrongly understood, which i should not, u know me very well, and my intention was not to hurt any one any time because i see god in every one, u are aware in other forums alsi did very ver les participate, as i am very much busy in my business, hardly in india i spent 100 days in a year. i have love for astrology and for vedanta, and shastras, as i told to you and shree vic ji also some time it may be i am not able to give or choose right word for presentation. but i never did any act for pushing or pulling to some one, whatever debait we did it was i think result of some confusion. so many things unanswered to vic ji, which after 3 or 4 days i will send him by personal mail if he wish. i like vic ji because he have good knowledge. i am not here to prove that i have better gyana, i am always a student, and a learner, but i have love and heartly blessing of lord shankracharay swamigal bhartitirth ji maharaj of shringeri mut as u know this is the first mut established by aadi shankracharya, still it is supreem knowledge center for hindu vedant tatwa or hindu dharma. let me say sorry, i know you are chankya, so i do not fight with you, and same we are good friends. with love niket jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Vicji Rajeevji,and Niketji, > > Vicji allow me to defend the accusation on me. > > Niketji I am not playing politics at all. If > I do this, then no one would come to know also > that I am doing so. I just wrote on the call of muy > conscience, what I did. There is nothing personal > here. I know you too are a good man and knew > well that the thread was steering towards creation > of factions, which my last mail has now evidently > succeeded in avoiding. I have been pushed to the > wall many times before ( On other forums which you > are aware)and have singlehandedly taken the > arguments and the people arguing, with no one to > defend me. History was repeating here and i felt > that here is a man of God,whom I must defend, > thats all. This does not mean that you or anyone > is not to be defended, when the situations so > demand. Apart from this episode I always > kjeep samabhava towards all, which is my nature. > If You felt that I played politics, then I am > extremely sorry. I have been a victim of politics > several times before, and would be the last person > to do so. > > Rajeevji, because we spoke on phone a couple of days > back,regarding the rectification of your fathers > chart, and you spoke so well, was the reason that > I did not argue with many of your mails, which were > no doubt very much exasperating to say the least, > in this Forum. I could not have been patient with > them like Vic has been if I was at the other end. > But again this does not mean that you are not a good > man. > > We are all lovers of our respective Gods. > And we must take the common factor between us, > that we are Bhaktas , and thus respect the > other Bhakta, and no occasion should be made > to arise, where one Bhakta has to prove or say > that his devotion or knowledge is better than the other. > > Amen. > > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar and Niket, > > > > Ok, this is about to become nuclear war. I'll have to put anyone > who > > sends a nuclear missile into moderation. Bhaskar and Niket, please > > refrain and share some biscuits and tea. We can all get together > and > > munch on a few on a shady porch while watching the sunset. > > > > With love, > > Vic > > > > On Jun 25, 2008, at 10:39 AM, astroiniket wrote: > > > > > dear bhaskarji pls do not play politics, or word playing, no one > is > > > trying to push shree vic ji, i respect him he have very good > > > knowledge, he is right on his place and i feel i am right on my > place > > > the problem is i am not too good in english language and not able > to > > > convert 100% my thoughts in this foriegn language and in sanskrit > or > > > hindi i cant type, but i understand shree vic ji must understand > what > > > is the mean of my saying and it was a discussion not war or not > the > > > fight for any thing, as i have invested my 18years in feet of lord > > > shnkara and study approx all litretue included veda upnishad and > other > > > sutra also , so we were discussing , as he offered me limca, i am > > > accept , and i am offring him filtered coffe. > > > > > > pls do not do this with me. > > > > > > regards > > > niket saraswat > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear all , > > >> > > >> I do not know what are we trying to prove here. > > >> I also feel that there is a heavy weightage > > >> against Mr.Vic, by few over here, who are pushing > > >> him to the wall, and he is at the very best a man > > >> can be,to reply very wisely with equilibrium and > > >> complete resemblance to logic > > >> supported with the right usage of English > > >> language which is missing in the'others. > > >> > > >> I can guarantee, when I read Mr. Vic's posts > > >> in last one week, that none of us could have'had > > >> the wiseness he posseses at his age, in our times. > > >> he has quoted the best from the scriptures, and > > >> the essence, which only comes from realisation. > > >> I am not saying'that he has already realised , > > >> but he is very much on that path. > > >> Most of the members are most idiotically > > >> arguing with him, and I can understand the time and > > >> energy and the activity to the mind which is caused > > >> to Mr. Vic due to this. > > >> > > >> And do not for a moment anyone think that I am > > >> praising the Moderator for any kind of blessings. > > >> I have my own Forum ( In fact I have 5 forums), > > >> to look after, I dont care to please anyone out of turn. > > >> But when i see a true man, and also see others > > >> troubling him, then i feel it my duty to support > > >> him. I have kept quiet only because of Mrs.Wendy here, > > >> otherwise would have given a befitting reply to evey > > >> argument put on board related to the religious > > >> scriptures or about the Gods. > > >> > > >> Let the members first learn about Savikaar and Nirvikaar, > > >> then talk. let the members first learn about the creation > > >> of this world as mentioned in the scriptures, and then talk. > > >> let the members arguing, first put forth what they know > > >> instead of asking a poor tired young man who is rich > > >> in knowledge of religion in all its spectrums,to > > >> prove his own. > > >> > > >> I also wish that the members read the Bhagavada Gita by > > >> Paramhansa Yogananda, to realise how such a great and long > lecture > > >> could have been given by Lord krishna to his friend, companion, > and > > >> relative Arjuna. > > >> > > >> Krishna is a MahaYogi, is known by ever Bhakta of the lord > > >> and every ihabitant of Mathura, Vrindavan, dwraka and Barsana. . > > >> > > >> prove it otherwise. > > >> > > >> Bhaskar. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> jyotish-vidya , " astroiniket " > <astroiniket@> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> dear vicji, > > >>> > > >>> i am not saying that geeta is lower then other, not at all, i > just > > >>> want to say, what shree krishna told to arjuna, and what was IQ > > >> level > > >>> of arjuna, what he understood from him, the same one can > understand > > >>> the meaning of shlokas now a days in kalyuga, i do not think so. > > >>> > > >>> if you just read geeta from both side (from arjun and shree > krishna) > > >>> it takes approx 6 hrs, what you think in Warfield one will give > > >>> lecture to some one for 5 to 6 hrs, no, it was just > transformation > > >> of > > >>> gyana, and shree vyas ji explained this gyana. > > >>> > > >>> as you told gurukuls are poor schools, my dear friend then i > should > > >>> say you do not know any thing about shankaracharya's school of > > >>> thoughts, their are 2 branches dvait and advait and both are > same, > > >> if > > >>> u say krishna is param braham, then i say rama is also param > braham > > >>> did you read Ramayan or Ramcharit Manas ?, and shiva is also > param > > >>> braham did you read Rudrayamal?, ganesha is also param brahm, > pls do > > >>> not find the things just by reading one purana, shreemad > bhagvatam > > >> is > > >>> written by lord sukdev who was the son of lord vyasdev, vyasdev > have > > >>> written 18 puranas, 64 upnishad, did you gone through with all > > >>> puranas, and upnishads, i do not think u did study of all these. > > >>> > > >>> All puranas were written in simplyfy form because general man > did > > >> not > > >>> or could not understand Veda's sanskrit, so some part which > leads to > > >>> bhakti charitra. > > >>> > > >>> there are five branches vashnav, shav, shaakt, ganpatya, > adityak, > > >>> > > >>> but as clearly discribed in veda almighty is one, and it is also > > >>> explained why so many rupas or forms, and how they got forms of > > >>> vishny, brahma, mahesh. > > >>> > > >>> so before comenting on any tatwa the complete reading is needed, > > >>> without reading of vead, if one say i know hindu mythology - it > is > > >>> completely wrong. > > >>> > > >>> in my view pls find the time buy all 4 veda and lord > > >> shankaracharay's > > >>> literature , read that then we can discuss on any shloka, > because > > >> till > > >>> the time you will not understand the root of parashakti or > almighty > > >>> not possible to explain, it will be just like that a child who > is in > > >>> 10th standard chemistry and want to read doctorate thesis , > please > > >> do > > >>> not feel bad, and also do not get offensive, but also do not say > > >> poor > > >>> or lower schools. > > >>> > > >>> in India every hindu from any state who do worship any form of > god > > >>> vishnu, krishna, rama, shiva, ganesha, surya, shakti they all > > >> respect > > >>> lord shnakracharay as god and form of god only, and follow the > > >> school > > >>> of thoughts from lord shankarachary. > > >>> > > >>> i respect you, but please must read all for veads and read them > in > > >>> sanskrit, then only you will be able to understand the base, i > > >> respect > > >>> shreemadbhagvatam and i read it daily, but all these things > come out > > >>> from veads only. > > >>> > > >>> as you study parashary padhty in astrology, lord parashar also > have > > >>> taken too many sidhants from vedas only. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> regards > > >>> niket > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Niket, > > >>>> > > >>>> I have no access to your recommended reading. Please give your > > >> three > > >>>> meanings. There can only be one meaning. All three must agree. > I > > >> would > > >>>> like to analyze your viewpoint on this shlok 9.11 > > >>>> > > >>>> You are of the opinion that older is better, but that is not > the > > >> case. > > >>>> Older scriptures are for previous Yugas. Mahabharat is > especially > > >> for > > >>>> Kali Yuga. > > >>>> > > >>>> To say the Gita is inferior is frankly preposterous and > > >> derogatory. > > >>>> The scriptures compiled later are, if anything, *better* than > > >> those > > >>>> compiled earlier because the author benefitted from experience. > > >> Thus > > >>>> Mahabhata is as good as a Purana. Upanishads are better than > the > > >>>> Chatur Veda. Vedanta Sutra is better than the Upanishads. And > > >> Veda- > > >>>> Vyas' final work -Bhagavat Puranam is better than Vedanta > Sutra, > > >> as I > > >>>> was authored after all the others and at the exact direction of > > >> his > > >>>> Gurudev, Sri Narada Muni. > > >>>> > > >>>> Yours > > >>>> Vic DiCara > > >>>> http://www.vedicastrologer.net > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Niket-ji, > so many things unanswered to vic ji, which after 3 or 4 days i will > send him by personal mail if he wish. i like vic ji because he have > good knowledge. Yes, I would like that, by personal email. To be frank, most of these apologies, etc. should be carried out by personal email. I would really like to see more discussion of Jyotish at the moment. Yours Vic DiCara http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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