Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dear Chann, ///If i recall one of learned Astrologer's comment on some forum, Nakshatras (When we see the planet's constilliation) act as a " Courier Boy " i.e. they carry and JUST deliver what the planet(s) has to offer./// Please explain what you mean by this... ///Once i hear from you i will share the practical life events and other stuff to match..otherwise it will be like a post-mortem analysis:-)/// It would be far better for you to share what you know, along with the birth data, so that members may properly study the chart. This business of denouncing the study of known events as a post-mortem, and therefore something to be discouraged, is ridiculous. Anyone who studied even preliminary science in high school will remember (I'm sure) dissecting things (won't be more specific than that for the sake of sensitivity) in order to study their physiology. Not to mention the value of post-mortem for medical students. This is how students learn the subject they're studying...they learn best by seeing, not by guessing! Share what you know openly, so that it can be discussed openly :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:07 PM Re: reply to Chann Dear Manasa, Thank you for your additional clarifications... //what I wrote was emphasised on nakshatra lordship and primary motivating factor for that nakshathra.// If i recall one of learned Astrologer's comment on some forum, Nakshatras (When we see the planet's constilliation) act as a " Courier Boy " i.e. they carry and JUST deliver what the planet(s) has to offer. If that is true then still i am trying to understand how these mere a courier boys can Modify the Parcel (Results):-) //Rahu in vargottama could be a factor that gave u a successful Dasa period. A planet in vargottama is bound to give benefic results, but if the planet involved is a natural malefic it provides the same after initial struggles.// Do you mean Rahu is a Good Planet for me? considering the placement? Good= attaining success, happiness and being in peaceful mood/mode I have a female chart whom i know and in her chart, 2 Vergottama planets are there Venus and Sun Mitun Lagna. Venus in Lagna Sun in own house along with Jupiter and Lagna lord Mercury in D-1 Sun in Leo along with Ketu in D-9 What is your analysis? Once i hear from you i will share the practical life events and other stuff to match..otherwise it will be like a post-mortem analysis:-) //I believe you have put lots of hardwork, diplomacy and managerial skills to earn the benefits. Is it right?// Indeed it was with hardwork, But now-a-days (current dasa Jup-Sat) i am not putting more efforts and bit worried and depressed then i was during Rahu MD... With regards Chann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hello Manasa, ///Saturn has its influence on your " Dhi " (5th house) by 10th aspect and Rahu lays his influence on your mind (4th) through its 9th aspect/// First: For the sake of clarity it's important that we distinguish between the emotional mind (4th) and intellectual mind (5th)... Second: Rahu's dispositor (Mars) aspects 4th whilst his nakshatra lord (Saturn) aspects 5th. Rahu himself, however, casts no aspect as per traditional view. If you make a judgement based on Nodal aspect you should make it quite clear that this is YOUR view... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 21, 2008 1:25 AM Re: reply to Chann Dear chann, From the information you have given, this is the profile I have framed for the lady.. She is a virtuous and bold lady who faced financial/ mental distress in the first half of her life but emerged successful in life in the later half. I believe she is a writer or could be that her husband is into writing or printing business. Has she lost any of her brothers? Regarding Vargottama.. vargottama doesn't mean that the planet will give only beneficial results. infact it doesn't make a planet weak to give just bad results. In other words auspicious results will be more. You said you are going through a period of worries in the current jupiter saturn period.. Saturn is linked to rahu through the star it is placed in. Saturn has its influence on your " Dhi " (5th house) by 10th aspect and Rahu lays his influence on your mind (4th) through its 9th aspect.. Meditating would be a good solution so as not to get burdened with worries and make impaired judgements. regards, manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hello Chann, ///I have a female chart whom i know and in her chart, 2 Vergottama planets are there Venus and Sun Mitun Lagna. Venus in Lagna Sun in own house along with Jupiter and Lagna lord Mercury in D-1 Sun in Leo along with Ketu in D-9/// I do believe I have this chart on file. Was the native born at 2:45pm with MO in 12th, MA in 5th, SA in 4th, RA/KE in 2nd/8th respectively etc, etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:07 PM Re: reply to Chann Dear Manasa, Thank you for your additional clarifications... //what I wrote was emphasised on nakshatra lordship and primary motivating factor for that nakshathra.// If i recall one of learned Astrologer's comment on some forum, Nakshatras (When we see the planet's constilliation) act as a " Courier Boy " i.e. they carry and JUST deliver what the planet(s) has to offer. If that is true then still i am trying to understand how these mere a courier boys can Modify the Parcel (Results):-) //Rahu in vargottama could be a factor that gave u a successful Dasa period. A planet in vargottama is bound to give benefic results, but if the planet involved is a natural malefic it provides the same after initial struggles.// Do you mean Rahu is a Good Planet for me? considering the placement? Good= attaining success, happiness and being in peaceful mood/mode I have a female chart whom i know and in her chart, 2 Vergottama planets are there Venus and Sun Mitun Lagna. Venus in Lagna Sun in own house along with Jupiter and Lagna lord Mercury in D-1 Sun in Leo along with Ketu in D-9 What is your analysis? Once i hear from you i will share the practical life events and other stuff to match..otherwise it will be like a post-mortem analysis:-) //I believe you have put lots of hardwork, diplomacy and managerial skills to earn the benefits. Is it right?// Indeed it was with hardwork, But now-a-days (current dasa Jup-Sat) i am not putting more efforts and bit worried and depressed then i was during Rahu MD... With regards Chann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Dear Chann, ///Madam, what i meant was with my little study and understanding and even discussing with some learned person as well... These Nakshatras no doubt have impact on the native, BUT the whole delivery system or the whole Chart Configuration/Promises i.e. Placement of respective planets will dictate the ultimate result. Do you agree with this? if not pls help me to refine my understanding:-)/// I'm still not really clear on your definition? However, to put it simply, a planet behaves in a certain way depending on it's position and strength in a particular sign (dignity etc). It's also influenced, in much the same way, by the position and strength of both its dispositor and nakshatra lord. Looking at your own chart we find that 10th/11th lord Saturn sits in nakshatra of Rahu who occupies 8th house of change...what influence, in your opinion, would that have in terms of your career/status etc? ///And most of them won't tell what is laying ahead or how things shall/will unfold for the seeker..which is in my personal opinion is OK. But Astrology is for what? Telling pridictions (Which may or may not come true or fructify that is another subject) OR just Explaing the seeker/questioner- " look you have mentioned X Problem and it has happened due this Astrological reasoning.. " /// One who approaches a practising astrologer for a reading of their horoscope will, no doubt, be given predictions regarding their future. However, as I've pointed out time and again, this is a 'discussion group' where astrologers and students of astrology alike might increase their understanding through meaningful discussion. It's assumed that by being part of this group your wish is to better understand how the dictums of jyotish are applied in specific charts (yours included). This is not the place to get predictions for your future...for this you should consult a practising astrologer. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 21, 2008 4:46 PM Re: reply to Chann Dear Wendy Madam, Kindly accept my Pranam. I am writing to you after long time :-) ///If i recall one of learned Astrologer's comment on some forum, Nakshatras (When we see the planet's constilliation) act as a " Courier Boy " i.e. they carry and JUST deliver what the planet(s) has to offer./// //Please explain what you mean by this...// Madam, what i meant was with my little study and understanding and even discussing with some learned person as well... These Nakshatras no doubt have impact on the native, BUT the whole delivery system or the whole Chart Configuration/Promises i.e. Placement of respective planets will dictate the ultimate result. Do you agree with this? if not pls help me to refine my understanding:-) If i give my another anology (These Planet's constilliation in respective Nakshatras) Nakshatras ACT as a " Last Mile Connectivity " of a whole Chart delivery system. (Note: Last Mile Connection is a Telecom terminology used to describe the end point of contact to the user/consumer coming from the Backbone of whole Telecom Infrastructure which include nuemrous other stuff like Satellite, Exchange, Distribution, etc.) so to say if the quality is good or the infrastructure is solid you will hear Good quality of sound:-) like if the planet is well positioned, friendly, benefic etc, then they (Nakshatras) will deliver the same or otherwise.. I may be wrong in understanding or needs to learn more which i am doing now, hope i may refine my knowledge with the help of learned people like you..:-) Yes, D/Manasa's attempt was really honest and i learnt a bit from her as well:-) //This business of denouncing the study of known events as a post- mortem, and therefore something to be discouraged, is ridiculous. Anyone who studied even preliminary science in high school will remember (I'm sure) dissecting things (won't be more specific than that for the sake of sensitivity) in order to study their physiology. Not to mention the value of post-mortem for medical students. This is how students learn the subject they're studying...they learn best by seeing, not by guessing!// Madam here i have some difference of opinion (Respectfully) not only with you but with most of learned experienced Astrologers as well. Why? with my 2 and half Yrs of this divine study and reading comments of various respected astrologers here and in other forums what i found is Generally most Chart Readers tend to (Indeed influenced by the questions put by the seeker) study and give feedback with Astrological reasoning based on that perspective ONLY. And most of them won't tell what is laying ahead or how things shall/will unfold for the seeker..which is in my personal opinion is OK. But Astrology is for what? Telling pridictions (Which may or may not come true or fructify that is another subject) OR just Explaing the seeker/questioner- " look you have mentioned X Problem and it has happened due this Astrological reasoning.. " There are few people who even clearly mentions sometime about the future events But without astrological reasoning... Hence, i specifically mentioned to D/Manasa to give her analysis without studying the background with just Planets details what i mentioned. It is only for Learning and understanding purpose...I do understand that one needs to study the entire chart and should have at least 2-3 past events to come to a proper analysis.. With kind regards Chann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Dear Manasa, This chart was originally offered to the group (for study) back in Feb 2007. The focus at the time was regarding marriage difficulties. There has been no recent update from Chann to either confirm or repute what members had to say at the time...? In the original mail the time had erroneously been given as 2:45am which was later confirmed to be 2:45pm... Birth Data (female): 31 Aug 1980 (2:45pm) 76E24, 14N14 (India) Lagna: Gemini 12:27:18 Note both ME & JU are combust 3rd lord Sun who happens to be the final dispositor in this chart... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 21, 2008 1:25 AM Re: reply to Chann Dear chann, From the information you have given, this is the profile I have framed for the lady.. She is a virtuous and bold lady who faced financial/ mental distress in the first half of her life but emerged successful in life in the later half. I believe she is a writer or could be that her husband is into writing or printing business. Has she lost any of her brothers? Regarding Vargottama.. vargottama doesn't mean that the planet will give only beneficial results. infact it doesn't make a planet weak to give just bad results. In other words auspicious results will be more. You said you are going through a period of worries in the current jupiter saturn period.. Saturn is linked to rahu through the star it is placed in. Saturn has its influence on your " Dhi " (5th house) by 10th aspect and Rahu lays his influence on your mind (4th) through its 9th aspect.. Meditating would be a good solution so as not to get burdened with worries and make impaired judgements. regards, manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 If I may poke my head ... That would amount to a difference between night and day! Lately, horas -- the 24 slices from sunrise to sunrise have been of great interest! Anyone has focused on those and would like to share their experiences? Manas - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Monday, January 21, 2008 9:45 PM Re: Re: reply to Chann Dear Manasa, This chart was originally offered to the group (for study) back in Feb 2007. The focus at the time was regarding marriage difficulties. There has been no recent update from Chann to either confirm or repute what members had to say at the time...? In the original mail the time had erroneously been given as 2:45am which was later confirmed to be 2:45pm... Birth Data (female): 31 Aug 1980 (2:45pm) 76E24, 14N14 (India) Lagna: Gemini 12:27:18 Note both ME & JU are combust 3rd lord Sun who happens to be the final dispositor in this chart... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 21, 2008 1:25 AM Re: reply to Chann Dear chann, From the information you have given, this is the profile I have framed for the lady.. She is a virtuous and bold lady who faced financial/ mental distress in the first half of her life but emerged successful in life in the later half. I believe she is a writer or could be that her husband is into writing or printing business. Has she lost any of her brothers? Regarding Vargottama.. vargottama doesn't mean that the planet will give only beneficial results. infact it doesn't make a planet weak to give just bad results. In other words auspicious results will be more. You said you are going through a period of worries in the current jupiter saturn period.. Saturn is linked to rahu through the star it is placed in. Saturn has its influence on your " Dhi " (5th house) by 10th aspect and Rahu lays his influence on your mind (4th) through its 9th aspect.. Meditating would be a good solution so as not to get burdened with worries and make impaired judgements. regards, manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hello Chann, ///Honestly, i can't remember when i posted this below data and we discussed here (in JV) i did search JV Group after seeing your post but couldn't able to locate:-(/// The chart was presented to the group Mar 5 2007 (msg #5384) ///Yes, this the chart in question from which i put some details like 2 Vergottama Planets VE/SU to Manasa, BUT the TIME is 2:45 AM and i once again confirm the same./// It appears that my software had difficulty calculating the coordinates when entered manually. 2.45am gave Sagittarius rising; 2.45pm gave Gemini rising. I did a search and managed to locate the place name. Once entered, my software calculated the chart correctly giving Gemini rising for 2.45am. It would certainly make life much easier if people were to give the actual place of birth rather than just the coordinates. Due to constraints on my time I didn't go through the mails following your posting of the birth data...had I done so I might have discovered the fault was with my software and not an erroneous T.O.B. as I'd assumed (and thought had been confirmed). ///And with regard to my chart discussion, i useally give my practical and events feedback to the respective person(s) who give thier analysis with valuable time, effort and valuable knowledge sharing. You might have noticed this was well from my post(s)/// You would get a better response, I'm sure, if you were to openly discuss a particular chart with members before asking for their opinion (on your observations), rather than simply asking for an analysis with little or no input from your side. This very point has been emphasised several times recently! ///With my little understanding what i see from chart is she has the natural artistic/acting ability due to Venus in Lagna and being Vergottama./// Note: SU, MO, ME, JU all occupy Venus' nakshatra... PS: You mentioned to Manasa that the native in question tried to establish herself as an actress during entire Venus dasa. Providing my software has calculated this correctly Venus dasa was running from birth to June 1991. Do you mean she failed in her attempt to become a movie star during the years prior to her 10th birthday?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:45 PM Re: reply to Chann Dear Wendy Madam, Honestly, i can't remember when i posted this below data and we discussed here (in JV) i did search JV Group after seeing your post but couldn't able to locate:-( Yes, this the chart in question from which i put some details like 2 Vergottama Planets VE/SU to Manasa, BUT the TIME is 2:45 AM and i once again confirm the same. Birth Data (female): 30/31 Aug 1980 (2:45 AM early morning) 76E24, 14N14 (India) Lagna: Gemini 12:27:18 With my little understanding what i see from chart is she has the natural artistic/acting ability due to Venus in Lagna and being Vergottama. But i also see her more rude in her behaviours due to her Cumbust lagna lord and Jupiter.. Any other qualtities you may find-out in this chart pls do share with all of us.. And with regard to my chart discussion, i useally give my practical and events feedback to the respective person(s) who give thier analysis with valuable time, effort and valuable knowledge sharing. You might have noticed this was well from my post(s) With kind regards Chann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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