Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dear Vic, You have brought up an interesting point. I agree with Wendy that the nodes don't have physical body and hence can't cast aspects. Aspect is a phenomenon of physical bodies. Nodes just represent concentrated energies (Ultra-violet and Infra-red) without a physical body. They are capable of receiving aspects/conjunctions because their energy gets influenced by the energy received via aspect or conjunction from a planet. What we get is a resultant effect. However, I believe that they are capable of influencing the konas (5th and 9th) from their own signs. This is because their energy gets absorbed by the tatwa of the house they occupy. The trines have the same tatwa and hence get influenced by their energy. This is my belief and not based on any text. This is a perennial discussion and no conclusive evidence is available. People have to take a stand one way or the other and the life goes on :-) Regards, Krishna Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear Mrs. Wendy, I've slept on the information you provided regarding Rahu-Ketu casting no Aspects. http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm There you state that the Nodes themselves neither cast nor receive any aspect directly. Later you state that the main reason for this is their lack of physical mass. Why would lack of physical mass make them unable to RECEIVE an aspecting influence from another planet. One further question: If their physical mass allows them to receive (and cast) such influence via conjunction, why can they not receive (or cast) energy via aspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Thanks so much for the fascinating and informative response, Krishna! On May 23, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote: > Dear Vic, > > You have brought up an interesting point. I agree with Wendy that > the nodes don't have physical body and hence can't cast aspects. > Aspect is a phenomenon of physical bodies. Nodes just represent > concentrated energies (Ultra-violet and Infra-red) without a > physical body. > > They are capable of receiving aspects/conjunctions because their > energy gets influenced by the energy received via aspect or > conjunction from a planet. What we get is a resultant effect. > > However, I believe that they are capable of influencing the konas > (5th and 9th) from their own signs. This is because their energy > gets absorbed by the tatwa of the house they occupy. The trines have > the same tatwa and hence get influenced by their energy. This is my > belief and not based on any text. > > This is a perennial discussion and no conclusive evidence is > available. People have to take a stand one way or the other and the > life goes on :-) > > Regards, > Krishna > > Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > I've slept on the information you provided regarding Rahu-Ketu casting > no Aspects. > > http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm > > There you state that the Nodes themselves neither cast nor receive any > aspect directly. Later you state that the main reason for this is > their lack of physical mass. Why would lack of physical mass make them > unable to RECEIVE an aspecting influence from another planet. > > One further question: If their physical mass allows them to receive > (and cast) such influence via conjunction, why can they not receive > (or cast) energy via aspect? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dear Vic, If I might just give a quick response to this question...before I switch off the computer and get some rest. //One further question: If their physical mass allows them to receive (and cast) such influence via conjunction, why can they not receive (or cast) energy via aspect?// I think we all agree that the nodes are not actually planets...simply mathematical points where the Moon intercepts the ecliptic. However when we consider the gravitational forces at play we might imagine (perhaps) some sort of ripple effect at these nodal points that can influence planets in close proximity...caught in a ripple so to speak...a concentrated electro magnetic field present at that point? When I'm less tired than now (bedtime here) I might be able to better explain the concept. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:32 AM Aspects and the Nodes Dear Mrs. Wendy, I've slept on the information you provided regarding Rahu-Ketu casting no Aspects. http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm There you state that the Nodes themselves neither cast nor receive any aspect directly. Later you state that the main reason for this is their lack of physical mass. Why would lack of physical mass make them unable to RECEIVE an aspecting influence from another planet. One further question: If their physical mass allows them to receive (and cast) such influence via conjunction, why can they not receive (or cast) energy via aspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 PS: Just to elaborate further on the point I made regarding the (gravitational) forces at play; this might better be expressed as the electromagnetic footprint left when Moon crosses the ecliptic plane, giving rise to the ripple effect that I spoke of...like dropping a pebble into a pond. Much like the recent discoveries concerning the electromagnetic footprints of Jupiter's Moons. _________________________________ Dear Vic, If I might just give a quick response to this question...before I switch off the computer and get some rest. //One further question: If their physical mass allows them to receive (and cast) such influence via conjunction, why can they not receive (or cast) energy via aspect?// I think we all agree that the nodes are not actually planets...simply mathematical points where the Moon intercepts the ecliptic. However when we consider the gravitational forces at play we might imagine (perhaps) some sort of ripple effect at these nodal points that can influence planets in close proximity...caught in a ripple so to speak...a concentrated electro magnetic field present at that point? When I'm less tired than now (bedtime here) I might be able to better explain the concept. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:32 AM Aspects and the Nodes Dear Mrs. Wendy, I've slept on the information you provided regarding Rahu-Ketu casting no Aspects. http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm There you state that the Nodes themselves neither cast nor receive any aspect directly. Later you state that the main reason for this is their lack of physical mass. Why would lack of physical mass make them unable to RECEIVE an aspecting influence from another planet. One further question: If their physical mass allows them to receive (and cast) such influence via conjunction, why can they not receive (or cast) energy via aspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Hello Krishna, //However, I believe that they are capable of influencing the konas (5th and 9th) from their own signs. This is because their energy gets absorbed by the tatwa of the house they occupy. The trines have the same tatwa and hence get influenced by their energy. This is my belief and not based on any text.// No doubt the phenomena known as the Nodes is absobed by the BHAVA in which they fall...hence the sages tell us that the influence of the Nodes is confined to the house they occupy. If we were to follow your theory we would have to accept a mutual 5/9 aspect between all planets...including the Luminaries, Merury and Venus. //They are capable of receiving aspects/conjunctions because their energy gets influenced by the energy received via aspect or conjunction from a planet. What we get is a resultant effect.// Again, as stated on JyotishVidya.com: http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm *Certainly, if the house they occupy is aspected, the quality of that house is influenced by the aspecting planet and, in this way, according to traditional astrologers (of the old school), we say that Rahu or Ketu are aspected by a benefic or malefic but they do not themselves come under the realm of aspects as do the other planets.* As we know, the lord of the house containing a node carries that influence...so; if the node is conjunct another planet, then (obviously) the nodal influence, carried through the house lord, will be modified accordingly as per the conjunction. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:57 AM Re: Aspects and the Nodes Dear Vic, You have brought up an interesting point. I agree with Wendy that the nodes don't have physical body and hence can't cast aspects. Aspect is a phenomenon of physical bodies. Nodes just represent concentrated energies (Ultra-violet and Infra-red) without a physical body. They are capable of receiving aspects/conjunctions because their energy gets influenced by the energy received via aspect or conjunction from a planet. What we get is a resultant effect. However, I believe that they are capable of influencing the konas (5th and 9th) from their own signs. This is because their energy gets absorbed by the tatwa of the house they occupy. The trines have the same tatwa and hence get influenced by their energy. This is my belief and not based on any text. This is a perennial discussion and no conclusive evidence is available. People have to take a stand one way or the other and the life goes on :-) Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Dear Wendy, //If we were to follow your theory we would have to accept a mutual 5/9 aspect between all planets...including the Luminaries, Merury and Venus.// The physical planets might have limited influence and may not produce the same magnitude this way comparable to aspects. I believe this is due to the nature of electromagnetic forces they emit. Ultra-violet and Infra-red radiations are more intrusive in nature. // As we know, the lord of the house containing a node carries that influence...so; if the node is conjunct another planet, then (obviously) the nodal influence, carried through the house lord, will be modified accordingly as per the conjunction.// Agreed. What I tried to convey was that there will be a resultant force in the house from a combination of the forces from the node occupying the house and the aspect received by the node/house. Right. Strictly speaking the node does not get affected. It is the house and any planets in that house that get affected. Regards, Krishna Regards, Krishna Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Hello Krishna, //However, I believe that they are capable of influencing the konas (5th and 9th) from their own signs. This is because their energy gets absorbed by the tatwa of the house they occupy. The trines have the same tatwa and hence get influenced by their energy. This is my belief and not based on any text.// No doubt the phenomena known as the Nodes is absobed by the BHAVA in which they fall...hence the sages tell us that the influence of the Nodes is confined to the house they occupy. If we were to follow your theory we would have to accept a mutual 5/9 aspect between all planets...including the Luminaries, Merury and Venus. //They are capable of receiving aspects/conjunctions because their energy gets influenced by the energy received via aspect or conjunction from a planet. What we get is a resultant effect.// Again, as stated on JyotishVidya.com: http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm *Certainly, if the house they occupy is aspected, the quality of that house is influenced by the aspecting planet and, in this way, according to traditional astrologers (of the old school), we say that Rahu or Ketu are aspected by a benefic or malefic but they do not themselves come under the realm of aspects as do the other planets.* As we know, the lord of the house containing a node carries that influence...so; if the node is conjunct another planet, then (obviously) the nodal influence, carried through the house lord, will be modified accordingly as per the conjunction. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:57 AM Re: Aspects and the Nodes Dear Vic, You have brought up an interesting point. I agree with Wendy that the nodes don't have physical body and hence can't cast aspects. Aspect is a phenomenon of physical bodies. Nodes just represent concentrated energies (Ultra-violet and Infra-red) without a physical body. They are capable of receiving aspects/conjunctions because their energy gets influenced by the energy received via aspect or conjunction from a planet. What we get is a resultant effect. However, I believe that they are capable of influencing the konas (5th and 9th) from their own signs. This is because their energy gets absorbed by the tatwa of the house they occupy. The trines have the same tatwa and hence get influenced by their energy. This is my belief and not based on any text. This is a perennial discussion and no conclusive evidence is available. People have to take a stand one way or the other and the life goes on :-) Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Dear Krishna, Well it seems then that we are (basically) in agreement :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 24, 2008 3:59 PM Re: Aspects and the Nodes Dear Wendy, //If we were to follow your theory we would have to accept a mutual 5/9 aspect between all planets...including the Luminaries, Merury and Venus.// The physical planets might have limited influence and may not produce the same magnitude this way comparable to aspects. I believe this is due to the nature of electromagnetic forces they emit. Ultra-violet and Infra-red radiations are more intrusive in nature. // As we know, the lord of the house containing a node carries that influence...so; if the node is conjunct another planet, then (obviously) the nodal influence, carried through the house lord, will be modified accordingly as per the conjunction.// Agreed. What I tried to convey was that there will be a resultant force in the house from a combination of the forces from the node occupying the house and the aspect received by the node/house. Right. Strictly speaking the node does not get affected. It is the house and any planets in that house that get affected. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Yes Wendy :-) Regards, Krishna Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna, Well it seems then that we are (basically) in agreement :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 24, 2008 3:59 PM Re: Aspects and the Nodes Dear Wendy, //If we were to follow your theory we would have to accept a mutual 5/9 aspect between all planets...including the Luminaries, Merury and Venus.// The physical planets might have limited influence and may not produce the same magnitude this way comparable to aspects. I believe this is due to the nature of electromagnetic forces they emit. Ultra-violet and Infra-red radiations are more intrusive in nature. // As we know, the lord of the house containing a node carries that influence...so; if the node is conjunct another planet, then (obviously) the nodal influence, carried through the house lord, will be modified accordingly as per the conjunction.// Agreed. What I tried to convey was that there will be a resultant force in the house from a combination of the forces from the node occupying the house and the aspect received by the node/house. Right. Strictly speaking the node does not get affected. It is the house and any planets in that house that get affected. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.