Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Sorabh, This is a very interesting post, thanks for sharing this info. I have also been told Ketu represents dogs. And as well have seen this by experience in my life many times. Most recently, TKetu is just 1 degree approaching my natal Ketu. In general due to this return of Ketu on my first house, and for reasons of transit, one of my two dogs who have lived well beyond their natural age passed 3.5 months ago. Directly due to this I also seriously injured my ankle. Her sister survived her but also was of the same age. I felt that she would perhaps pass on this last eclipse. Eclipse and ascendant were at 10 degrees Leo at my location, with nodes nearly completely stationed at exactly 1 degree from my natal Ketu. Just 24 hours before the eclipse my second dog passed. I have also seen similar situations, as you have reported below, where the person seems to just naturally - or perhaps intuitively - be doing something that would appease, or as you have said 'doing serva for the dev', and with similar results. All fascinating and I agree with you that the way we lead our lives is just as important. This also shows to me the truth and validity in upayas, and as written in Light on Life, " Though not formally one of Jyotish's limbs, this 'phantom' limb may well be its most important and useful division. " And also, " The existence of upaya shows that Jyotish is anything but fatalistic, for, if everything were totally predestined, how could rememdies exist? " Thank you for this list of animals and pet significators from the perspective of lal kitab. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Hi Wendy Ji As you know I am new to your group and im slowly going through your old forum messages to the most recent. This is a very interesting topic - as my knoweldge of lal kitab governs sun is represented by monkey ketu by dogs mercury by goats venus by cow rahu by elephant saturn by snake, fish When someone has an afflicted planet it is recommended to do 'seva' of that planets representations. For example, feeding gur which is an object of sun to monkeys (i.e feeding sun to sun) will calm down its malefic effects if sun is badly placed in the native chart. This is why if a couple are childless and have badly placed ketu's it is commonly recommended in lal kitab and vedic astrology for the couple to raise a black and white dog which is a representation of ketu. By doing this your are appeasing ketu - lord of children. Interestingly one time a friend of mine whos an excellent lal kitab astrologer came across a chart with a person who had a badly afflicted saturn. It was completely combust and so was 10th lord - yet this persons career was excellent - major promotions upon promotions. He decided to dwell further into the life style of the native - he found the native had lots and lots of aquariums. He used to daily feed his fish, clean them. In addition his hobby was to save and preserve sea life creatures. Without knowing this person had managed to save himself from a disastorous career life just by performing seva for the dev in question. This concludes that the way u lead ur life is just as important as yor birth chart. Another uncle of mine who is a keen astrologer recorded the time of birth of his son and also a baby born in the hospital during the same time. They live on the same road. Now my uncles family is a pure vegetarian, they do not drink or eat fish (any of these makes saturn malefic). His neighbours son however does all of these things. Both of them entered the same profession of accounts. Whilst my uncles son has had an excellent career now - his neighbours son has badly suffered (despite having a better education!). I hope this says to all of you in a respectful manner that charts - though they may control a large part of our destiny - the way we lead our lives is just as, if not more important. Regards Sorabh > Dear All, > > I recently had a conversation regarding the significator for Pets. > There's no doubt, of course, that 6th house governs Pet animals but > the planetary significators seem to be foggy. I remember reading > some years back that Mars was the significator for cats, Mercury for > dogs, whist Jupiter is said to be the significator for horses. I > can't remember where I read it now and after a quick search I came > up with the following info on G. Kumar's site: www.e.com > which seemed to concur (in part). > > " Planetary Pets - Cats are ruled by the Sun, dogs by Mercury, birds > by Venus, horses by Jupiter, fish by Neptune, reptiles by Saturn, > and night creatures by Pluto. " > > I don't know where he got his information from but I do remember > examining some charts a few years ago after I'd written an article > (related to Pets) for Shirley MacLaine's web site. The charts I > looked at seemed to confirm my earlier findings. I know that > " attachment to Pets " is discouraged according to the dictums of > Hinduism...and I understand why. But none-the-less Westerners are > very fond of their Pets. > > I'd be appreciative therefore for any scriptural reference that > gives the planetary significators. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Sorabhji, This one of the best informative posts I have read these days which is really meaningful,and hope that members read and understand that " the way we lead our lives " is just as important. All of us should keep at least one half of a day in every week for self assessment and introspection - which would and should form the basis of our actions -for the next week. And I shall make that beginning for myself, from this week onwards. Thank You. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > Hi Wendy Ji > > As you know I am new to your group and im slowly going through your > old forum messages to the most recent. This is a very interesting > topic - as my knoweldge of lal kitab governs > > sun is represented by monkey > ketu by dogs > mercury by goats > venus by cow > rahu by elephant > saturn by snake, fish > > When someone has an afflicted planet it is recommended to do 'seva' > of that planets representations. For example, feeding gur which is > an object of sun to monkeys (i.e feeding sun to sun) will calm down > its malefic effects if sun is badly placed in the native chart. > > This is why if a couple are childless and have badly placed ketu's > it is commonly recommended in lal kitab and vedic astrology for the > couple to raise a black and white dog which is a representation of > ketu. By doing this your are appeasing ketu - lord of children. > > Interestingly one time a friend of mine whos an excellent lal kitab > astrologer came across a chart with a person who had a badly > afflicted saturn. It was completely combust and so was 10th lord - > yet this persons career was excellent - major promotions upon > promotions. He decided to dwell further into the life style of the > native - he found the native had lots and lots of aquariums. He used > to daily feed his fish, clean them. In addition his hobby was to > save and preserve sea life creatures. Without knowing this person > had managed to save himself from a disastorous career life just by > performing seva for the dev in question. > > This concludes that the way u lead ur life is just as important as > yor birth chart. Another uncle of mine who is a keen astrologer > recorded the time of birth of his son and also a baby born in the > hospital during the same time. They live on the same road. Now my > uncles family is a pure vegetarian, they do not drink or eat fish > (any of these makes saturn malefic). His neighbours son however does > all of these things. Both of them entered the same profession of > accounts. Whilst my uncles son has had an excellent career now - his > neighbours son has badly suffered (despite having a better > education!). > > I hope this says to all of you in a respectful manner that charts - > though they may control a large part of our destiny - the way we > lead our lives is just as, if not more important. > > Regards > Sorabh > > Dear All, > > > > I recently had a conversation regarding the significator for Pets. > > There's no doubt, of course, that 6th house governs Pet animals > but > > the planetary significators seem to be foggy. I remember reading > > some years back that Mars was the significator for cats, Mercury > for > > dogs, whist Jupiter is said to be the significator for horses. I > > can't remember where I read it now and after a quick search I came > > up with the following info on G. Kumar's site: > www.e.com > > which seemed to concur (in part). > > > > " Planetary Pets - Cats are ruled by the Sun, dogs by Mercury, > birds > > by Venus, horses by Jupiter, fish by Neptune, reptiles by Saturn, > > and night creatures by Pluto. " > > > > I don't know where he got his information from but I do remember > > examining some charts a few years ago after I'd written an article > > (related to Pets) for Shirley MacLaine's web site. The charts I > > looked at seemed to confirm my earlier findings. I know that > > " attachment to Pets " is discouraged according to the dictums of > > Hinduism...and I understand why. But none-the-less Westerners are > > very fond of their Pets. > > > > I'd be appreciative therefore for any scriptural reference that > > gives the planetary significators. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Patrice Sorry to hear about your dog - but this confirms ketus relation with dogs, legs, ankles, feet, children, sons, urinary tract and joints. As long as your dog was alive you were being saved from pain to your ankle - as soon as the dog passed away (which was in a way carrying your karma) ketu hit your ankle. Hope it gets better soon - applying kesar tilak (saffron) to your forehead, naval and tasting a little for 43 days continuously starting on thursday will surely help you during this period. Ketu will obey jupiter - so make your jupiter strong with kesar tilak. Kind regards Sorabh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear Sorabh, I'm curious to see what lal kitab uses for cats. Cats are a very common pet for many. You could understand going for Sun, with respect to Leo/lion, also Mars by their natural predation, four-legged and walk close to earth, etc.. but I'm wondering what is the view of lal kitab. I know this is really general when trying to one planet only when we take everything into consideration, but am interested if you have this on a list. I'm thinking too as with all animals, the color gives us more information as to specific animals, ie, a green bird more Mercurial than a black bird, more Saturn, etc.. Actually my significators book gives Mars for crows - which are a black bird. There's nothing listed there for birds, but I was thinking Mercury for birds, and a green one then even more Mercurial.? So I'm wondering, first, what is used for cat (- and bird too if you don't mind? ;-) ) And secondly, does lal kitab take color strongly into consideration on this as well? We would consider color as far as giving some tendencies, as we do with all things considered in Jyotish, but with birds for instance would you consider a crow for instance, or a black bird, more as representing Saturn? Perhaps using constellations more in this as well, as I did above with cat and Leo. Taurus, then bull.. I have seen the constellations work in this as well. And things can get very specific even to a constellation's specific star, such as in Australia's famous and sad case of Azaria Chamberlain. I find it intriguing that my mother has been drawn to black cats for the past several years after not owning a black cat at another time in her life. She currently has two black cats. There are many reasons for seeing this in my chart and then also considering her age. I would also like to take a look at it from her chart's perspective and am eager to hear lal kitab's view on this. Many thanks Sorabh, Patrice You wrote: __________________________ sun is represented by monkey ketu by dogs mercury by goats venus by cow rahu by elephant saturn by snake, fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear Patrice. Sorry for entering the thread. Certainly the Parrot is represented by Mercury due to its green color. The crow is represented by Saturn due to its black colour.Also ants are represented by Saturn. Pigeons too are represented, black and white dogs mix, black and white cows mix too are represented. Astrology is a very huge science in content. We are not aware of many matters which may be there. Black cats,I do not know about Lalkitab whether its reference is there.But in Occult matters certain Goddesses are represented by the Black cats. There are certain Mantras of a particular Goddess when recited properly for the number of days prescribed, the Gooddess wil come near the place where worship is done, inform of cat, stay for a whil, and then leave, thus signalling the worshipper, that his worship has been aceepted. I am sorry the latter para was off the track. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Patrice Curry " <patricecurry wrote: > > Dear Sorabh, > > > > I'm curious to see what lal kitab uses for cats. Cats are a very common pet > for many. > > > > You could understand going for Sun, with respect to Leo/lion, also Mars by > their natural predation, four-legged and walk close to earth, etc.. but I'm > wondering what is the view of lal kitab. I know this is really general when > trying to one planet only when we take everything into > consideration, but am interested if you have this on a list. > > > > I'm thinking too as with all animals, the color gives us more information as > to specific animals, ie, a green bird more Mercurial than a black bird, more > Saturn, etc.. Actually my significators book gives Mars for crows - which > are a black bird. There's nothing listed there for birds, but I was thinking > Mercury for birds, and a green one then even more Mercurial.? > > So I'm wondering, first, what is used for cat (- and bird too if you don't > mind? ;-) ) > > > > And secondly, does lal kitab take color strongly into consideration on this > as well? We would consider color as far as giving some tendencies, as we do > with all things considered in Jyotish, but with birds for instance would you > consider a crow for instance, or a black bird, more as representing Saturn? > Perhaps using constellations more in this as well, as I did above with cat > and Leo. Taurus, then bull.. I have seen the constellations work in this as > well. And things can get very specific even to a constellation's specific > star, such as in Australia's famous and sad case of Azaria Chamberlain. > > > > I find it intriguing that my mother has been drawn to black cats for the > past several years after not owning a black cat at another time in her life. > She currently has two black cats. There are many reasons for seeing this in > my chart and then also considering her age. I would also like to take a look > at it from her chart's perspective and am eager to hear lal kitab's view on > this. > > > > Many thanks Sorabh, > > Patrice > > > > You wrote: > > __________________________ > > sun is represented by monkey > ketu by dogs > mercury by goats > venus by cow > rahu by elephant > saturn by snake, fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear Patrice You are right - Birds are good karak object of mercury. And yes colour does matter - a green parrot, a green bird would be a perfect object of mercury. Wearing dark blue clothes for a person with rahu in 11 for example is really bad. I have not come across anything for cats in lal kitab - sorry. PS - You might know already know this but plant life are good representations of planets too... Jupiter - Peepal tree Moon - Kicker tree Mars - Neem tree In addition we can find representations of planets in everyday life with family, work, etc etc. But may I add respectfully as is a personal experience of mine, if someone is trying to ease the malefic effects of saturn by servicing fish for example - but at the same time eats fish, eats non veg, drinks, disrespects his uncles, kills snakes, hurts buffalos then it doesnt matter if you service all the fish in the world. Likewise if someone does not respect his elders his jupiter can never be good. In addition to this a very important lal kitab and vedic premise is to lead good lives and karma and leave the rest up to God.... having complete faith in him. Remedies are only effective then.. as my own experience has shown. 'Karam Kar Phul ki asha mut kar' Kind regards Sorabh > Dear Sorabh, > > > > I'm curious to see what lal kitab uses for cats. Cats are a very common pet > for many. > > > > You could understand going for Sun, with respect to Leo/lion, also Mars by > their natural predation, four-legged and walk close to earth, etc.. but I'm > wondering what is the view of lal kitab. I know this is really general when > trying to one planet only when we take everything into > consideration, but am interested if you have this on a list. > > > > I'm thinking too as with all animals, the color gives us more information as > to specific animals, ie, a green bird more Mercurial than a black bird, more > Saturn, etc.. Actually my significators book gives Mars for crows - which > are a black bird. There's nothing listed there for birds, but I was thinking > Mercury for birds, and a green one then even more Mercurial.? > > So I'm wondering, first, what is used for cat (- and bird too if you don't > mind? ;-) ) > > > > And secondly, does lal kitab take color strongly into consideration on this > as well? We would consider color as far as giving some tendencies, as we do > with all things considered in Jyotish, but with birds for instance would you > consider a crow for instance, or a black bird, more as representing Saturn? > Perhaps using constellations more in this as well, as I did above with cat > and Leo. Taurus, then bull.. I have seen the constellations work in this as > well. And things can get very specific even to a constellation's specific > star, such as in Australia's famous and sad case of Azaria Chamberlain. > > > > I find it intriguing that my mother has been drawn to black cats for the > past several years after not owning a black cat at another time in her life. > She currently has two black cats. There are many reasons for seeing this in > my chart and then also considering her age. I would also like to take a look > at it from her chart's perspective and am eager to hear lal kitab's view on > this. > > > > Many thanks Sorabh, > > Patrice > > > > You wrote: > > __________________________ > > sun is represented by monkey > ketu by dogs > mercury by goats > venus by cow > rahu by elephant > saturn by snake, fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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