Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Dear Su, Yes certainly. That was a good observation by you. The degrees of aspect do make a difference whether one may approve of this or not. Exact opposition like on Full Moons day and exact conjunction of 2 Planets does make a different impact then a seperating aspect ( Sorry, using a western word to imply )or a conjunction 8 and above degrees apart. If the degree of ascendant and Rahu is far apart then the influence of Rahu would all the more be less. Marrying a person older than ones one age, is also due to Rahu's influence on the 7th House or 7th Lord. The other important factor responsible may be the constellation of the 7th Cusp Lord. The above may not hold weight with all astrologers, so just treat this as my views. ( I was taught this by my Guru, and found true in most cases). In The example chart, Rahu being 2 degrees and the Lagna 17degrees, the influence of Rahu may be understood to fall primarily behind the Lagna, ie on the 12th house, rather than the Lagna. The 7th Lord Saturn too falls in constellation of Bharini owned by Venus, giving a conventional marriage. ( But all this is postmartem. ) You will have to apply these rules for other charts having unconventional marriage, and then check. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " vreality_au " <reality_v wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > may I ask you a q in relation to the foll > > //if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > or maybe of same religion or other,// > > In most cases, as you have mentioned I hve noticed that rahu in 7th > gives a 'foreign' spouse - by religion, country, race, etc. But I hve > a chart here where teh native has rahu in 7th but is married to > someone fr the same caste, religion, and even state. In, other words > theres little thts 'foreign' about her in relation to him. Would you > be able to comment why tht is so. I hve a another chart with similar > scenario. What I observe in these two charts is tht theres a big gap > of deg bet lagna deg and tht of rahu. Would tht make a diff? > > Natal Chart - male > > December 31, 1970 > Time: 10:30:00 pm > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 75 E 34' 00 " , 13 N 55' 00 " > Shimoga, India > > thanks > Su > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy. > > > > Okay. Got your point. She was meaning it > > for her parentage, and I was tanget somewhere. > > > > But for ones parentage to be influenced by the > > position of Rahu IN MY HOROSCOPE Horoscope, I would not > > blame Rahu unless it is influencing the Houses/Lords > > who indicate father or mother . Because Rahu is sitting > > in Lagna, the parents would be from lower > > or Upper caste marriage, is ridiculous. > > > > On the contrary if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > or maybe of same religion or other, but certainly > > not put this placement as responsible for Father > > Mother belonging to different caste. > > > > See what happens, when such students pick > > up rahu as the cause, then other unscruplous astrologers > > may take advantage of the knowledge the native is > > having and may push the native further into this > > thinking by supporting him/ her, that yes Rahu is the cause > > for all this, and the native may form a life long enmity > > with this planet, as we have seen many having formed for > > Satutn. > > > > Unless the 7th house of the parents is influenced by > > Rahu in their charts, or 7th to the the 4th or 9th > > in the childs chart, or its Lords is influenced by Rahu, > > just Rahu being present in Lagna would not be the > > culprit. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar, Manasa and All, > > > > > > It doesn't matter what websites we go to or what books we read, > > they can > > > only (at best) give us a general guideline to the nature of the > > > planets...the rest, modified by so many things, we have to figure > > out for > > > ourselves! Without doubt, the more our understanding grows the > less > > our > > > tendency to take offence at an other's interpretation will be. > > > > > > To look into the matter of parents for instance, don't you think > it > > would > > > be wise to at least consult dwadashamsha before making a broad > > assumption > > > and/or taking offence at a perceived insult. At all times we > should > > > endeavour to counter an assumption with knowledge rather than > with > > > emotion. > > > > > > Manasa has assumed that her parents mixed marriage is due > (solely) > > to the > > > position of Rahu in her chart without looking any further into > > this. > > > Whilst Bhaskar, with the same Rahu placement, has taken > > offence...again, > > > without looking any further into the matter. > > > > > > It would be a good idea to consult dwadashamsha and see what this > > tells > > > us...don't you think? > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > ___ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, It's interesting reading your post. I like the fact that you amply noted that these are not really traditional Vedic ways of looking at the horoscope. - Vic On Jun 17, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Bhaskar wrote: > Dear Su, > > Yes certainly. That was a good observation by you. > The degrees of aspect do make a difference whether > one may approve of this or not. Exact opposition like > on Full Moons day and exact conjunction of 2 Planets > does make a different impact then a seperating > aspect ( Sorry, using a western word to imply )or > a conjunction 8 and above degrees apart. > If the degree of ascendant and Rahu is far > apart then the influence of Rahu would all the more > be less. Marrying a person older than ones one age, > is also due to Rahu's influence on the 7th House > or 7th Lord. The other important factor > responsible may be the constellation of the 7th Cusp > Lord. The above may not hold weight with all astrologers, > so just treat this as my views. ( I was taught this > by my Guru, and found true in most cases). > In The example chart, Rahu being 2 degrees and > the Lagna 17degrees, the influence of Rahu may be > understood to fall primarily behind the Lagna, ie > on the 12th house, rather than the Lagna. > The 7th Lord Saturn too falls in constellation of > Bharini owned by Venus, giving a conventional > marriage. ( But all this is postmartem. ) You will > have to apply these rules for other charts having > unconventional marriage, and then check. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya , " vreality_au " <reality_v > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > may I ask you a q in relation to the foll > > > > //if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > or maybe of same religion or other,// > > > > In most cases, as you have mentioned I hve noticed that rahu in 7th > > gives a 'foreign' spouse - by religion, country, race, etc. But I > hve > > a chart here where teh native has rahu in 7th but is married to > > someone fr the same caste, religion, and even state. In, other > words > > theres little thts 'foreign' about her in relation to him. Would > you > > be able to comment why tht is so. I hve a another chart with > similar > > scenario. What I observe in these two charts is tht theres a big > gap > > of deg bet lagna deg and tht of rahu. Would tht make a diff? > > > > Natal Chart - male > > > > December 31, 1970 > > Time: 10:30:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 34' 00 " , 13 N 55' 00 " > > Shimoga, India > > > > thanks > > Su > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy. > > > > > > Okay. Got your point. She was meaning it > > > for her parentage, and I was tanget somewhere. > > > > > > But for ones parentage to be influenced by the > > > position of Rahu IN MY HOROSCOPE Horoscope, I would not > > > blame Rahu unless it is influencing the Houses/Lords > > > who indicate father or mother . Because Rahu is sitting > > > in Lagna, the parents would be from lower > > > or Upper caste marriage, is ridiculous. > > > > > > On the contrary if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > or maybe of same religion or other, but certainly > > > not put this placement as responsible for Father > > > Mother belonging to different caste. > > > > > > See what happens, when such students pick > > > up rahu as the cause, then other unscruplous astrologers > > > may take advantage of the knowledge the native is > > > having and may push the native further into this > > > thinking by supporting him/ her, that yes Rahu is the cause > > > for all this, and the native may form a life long enmity > > > with this planet, as we have seen many having formed for > > > Satutn. > > > > > > Unless the 7th house of the parents is influenced by > > > Rahu in their charts, or 7th to the the 4th or 9th > > > in the childs chart, or its Lords is influenced by Rahu, > > > just Rahu being present in Lagna would not be the > > > culprit. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, Manasa and All, > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter what websites we go to or what books we read, > > > they can > > > > only (at best) give us a general guideline to the nature of the > > > > planets...the rest, modified by so many things, we have to > figure > > > out for > > > > ourselves! Without doubt, the more our understanding grows the > > less > > > our > > > > tendency to take offence at an other's interpretation will be. > > > > > > > > To look into the matter of parents for instance, don't you > think > > it > > > would > > > > be wise to at least consult dwadashamsha before making a broad > > > assumption > > > > and/or taking offence at a perceived insult. At all times we > > should > > > > endeavour to counter an assumption with knowledge rather than > > with > > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > Manasa has assumed that her parents mixed marriage is due > > (solely) > > > to the > > > > position of Rahu in her chart without looking any further into > > > this. > > > > Whilst Bhaskar, with the same Rahu placement, has taken > > > offence...again, > > > > without looking any further into the matter. > > > > > > > > It would be a good idea to consult dwadashamsha and see what > this > > > tells > > > > us...don't you think? > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Dear Vic, I respect the rules of the List, and try not to bring in or share experiences with other systems of approach. But personally I am never averse to knowledge from all resources and neither rigid or utterly faithful to any one way, while rejecting the other ways. I would always like to view the problems from as many various ways as possible, and if the solution comes out common with the other approaches, on same platform that means we are very near to the truth. It is a effort for me to keep away at times untraditional talks in this List, but I am succesful most of the times. appreciate your perception levels. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > It's interesting reading your post. I like the fact that you amply > noted that these are not really traditional Vedic ways of looking at > the horoscope. > > - Vic > > On Jun 17, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Bhaskar wrote: > > > Dear Su, > > > > Yes certainly. That was a good observation by you. > > The degrees of aspect do make a difference whether > > one may approve of this or not. Exact opposition like > > on Full Moons day and exact conjunction of 2 Planets > > does make a different impact then a seperating > > aspect ( Sorry, using a western word to imply )or > > a conjunction 8 and above degrees apart. > > If the degree of ascendant and Rahu is far > > apart then the influence of Rahu would all the more > > be less. Marrying a person older than ones one age, > > is also due to Rahu's influence on the 7th House > > or 7th Lord. The other important factor > > responsible may be the constellation of the 7th Cusp > > Lord. The above may not hold weight with all astrologers, > > so just treat this as my views. ( I was taught this > > by my Guru, and found true in most cases). > > In The example chart, Rahu being 2 degrees and > > the Lagna 17degrees, the influence of Rahu may be > > understood to fall primarily behind the Lagna, ie > > on the 12th house, rather than the Lagna. > > The 7th Lord Saturn too falls in constellation of > > Bharini owned by Venus, giving a conventional > > marriage. ( But all this is postmartem. ) You will > > have to apply these rules for other charts having > > unconventional marriage, and then check. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya , " vreality_au " <reality_v@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > may I ask you a q in relation to the foll > > > > > > //if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > > or maybe of same religion or other,// > > > > > > In most cases, as you have mentioned I hve noticed that rahu in 7th > > > gives a 'foreign' spouse - by religion, country, race, etc. But I > > hve > > > a chart here where teh native has rahu in 7th but is married to > > > someone fr the same caste, religion, and even state. In, other > > words > > > theres little thts 'foreign' about her in relation to him. Would > > you > > > be able to comment why tht is so. I hve a another chart with > > similar > > > scenario. What I observe in these two charts is tht theres a big > > gap > > > of deg bet lagna deg and tht of rahu. Would tht make a diff? > > > > > > Natal Chart - male > > > > > > December 31, 1970 > > > Time: 10:30:00 pm > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 75 E 34' 00 " , 13 N 55' 00 " > > > Shimoga, India > > > > > > thanks > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy. > > > > > > > > Okay. Got your point. She was meaning it > > > > for her parentage, and I was tanget somewhere. > > > > > > > > But for ones parentage to be influenced by the > > > > position of Rahu IN MY HOROSCOPE Horoscope, I would not > > > > blame Rahu unless it is influencing the Houses/Lords > > > > who indicate father or mother . Because Rahu is sitting > > > > in Lagna, the parents would be from lower > > > > or Upper caste marriage, is ridiculous. > > > > > > > > On the contrary if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > > or maybe of same religion or other, but certainly > > > > not put this placement as responsible for Father > > > > Mother belonging to different caste. > > > > > > > > See what happens, when such students pick > > > > up rahu as the cause, then other unscruplous astrologers > > > > may take advantage of the knowledge the native is > > > > having and may push the native further into this > > > > thinking by supporting him/ her, that yes Rahu is the cause > > > > for all this, and the native may form a life long enmity > > > > with this planet, as we have seen many having formed for > > > > Satutn. > > > > > > > > Unless the 7th house of the parents is influenced by > > > > Rahu in their charts, or 7th to the the 4th or 9th > > > > in the childs chart, or its Lords is influenced by Rahu, > > > > just Rahu being present in Lagna would not be the > > > > culprit. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > > > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, Manasa and All, > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter what websites we go to or what books we read, > > > > they can > > > > > only (at best) give us a general guideline to the nature of the > > > > > planets...the rest, modified by so many things, we have to > > figure > > > > out for > > > > > ourselves! Without doubt, the more our understanding grows the > > > less > > > > our > > > > > tendency to take offence at an other's interpretation will be. > > > > > > > > > > To look into the matter of parents for instance, don't you > > think > > > it > > > > would > > > > > be wise to at least consult dwadashamsha before making a broad > > > > assumption > > > > > and/or taking offence at a perceived insult. At all times we > > > should > > > > > endeavour to counter an assumption with knowledge rather than > > > with > > > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > > > Manasa has assumed that her parents mixed marriage is due > > > (solely) > > > > to the > > > > > position of Rahu in her chart without looking any further into > > > > this. > > > > > Whilst Bhaskar, with the same Rahu placement, has taken > > > > offence...again, > > > > > without looking any further into the matter. > > > > > > > > > > It would be a good idea to consult dwadashamsha and see what > > this > > > > tells > > > > > us...don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Dear Baskarji, Mention of other systems should not be taboo to my mind, as long two things happen: 1) The *dominant* focus of the group and dominant input from it's members should be to understand Vedic Jyotish, and particularly the traditional parashara system. 2) When another system Vedic or Western is discussed, it should ideally be done so in reference to it's differences and similarities with the base Parashar Vedic system, and it should be, as you nicely did, amply denoted as being the non-standard system of the group list. Yours, Vic On Jun 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Bhaskar wrote: > Dear Vic, > > I respect the rules of the List, > and try not to bring in or share experiences > with other systems of approach. But personally > I am never averse to knowledge from all > resources and neither rigid or utterly faithful > to any one way, while rejecting the other ways. > I would always like to view the problems from > as many various ways as possible, and if the > solution comes out common with the other > approaches, on same platform that means we are > very near to the truth. It is a effort for > me to keep away at times untraditional talks > in this List, but I am succesful most of the times. > > appreciate your perception levels. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > It's interesting reading your post. I like the fact that you amply > > noted that these are not really traditional Vedic ways of looking > at > > the horoscope. > > > > - Vic > > > > On Jun 17, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > Yes certainly. That was a good observation by you. > > > The degrees of aspect do make a difference whether > > > one may approve of this or not. Exact opposition like > > > on Full Moons day and exact conjunction of 2 Planets > > > does make a different impact then a seperating > > > aspect ( Sorry, using a western word to imply )or > > > a conjunction 8 and above degrees apart. > > > If the degree of ascendant and Rahu is far > > > apart then the influence of Rahu would all the more > > > be less. Marrying a person older than ones one age, > > > is also due to Rahu's influence on the 7th House > > > or 7th Lord. The other important factor > > > responsible may be the constellation of the 7th Cusp > > > Lord. The above may not hold weight with all astrologers, > > > so just treat this as my views. ( I was taught this > > > by my Guru, and found true in most cases). > > > In The example chart, Rahu being 2 degrees and > > > the Lagna 17degrees, the influence of Rahu may be > > > understood to fall primarily behind the Lagna, ie > > > on the 12th house, rather than the Lagna. > > > The 7th Lord Saturn too falls in constellation of > > > Bharini owned by Venus, giving a conventional > > > marriage. ( But all this is postmartem. ) You will > > > have to apply these rules for other charts having > > > unconventional marriage, and then check. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " vreality_au " <reality_v@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > may I ask you a q in relation to the foll > > > > > > > > //if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > > > or maybe of same religion or other,// > > > > > > > > In most cases, as you have mentioned I hve noticed that rahu in > 7th > > > > gives a 'foreign' spouse - by religion, country, race, etc. But > I > > > hve > > > > a chart here where teh native has rahu in 7th but is married to > > > > someone fr the same caste, religion, and even state. In, other > > > words > > > > theres little thts 'foreign' about her in relation to him. Would > > > you > > > > be able to comment why tht is so. I hve a another chart with > > > similar > > > > scenario. What I observe in these two charts is tht theres a big > > > gap > > > > of deg bet lagna deg and tht of rahu. Would tht make a diff? > > > > > > > > Natal Chart - male > > > > > > > > December 31, 1970 > > > > Time: 10:30:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 75 E 34' 00 " , 13 N 55' 00 " > > > > Shimoga, India > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy. > > > > > > > > > > Okay. Got your point. She was meaning it > > > > > for her parentage, and I was tanget somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > But for ones parentage to be influenced by the > > > > > position of Rahu IN MY HOROSCOPE Horoscope, I would not > > > > > blame Rahu unless it is influencing the Houses/Lords > > > > > who indicate father or mother . Because Rahu is sitting > > > > > in Lagna, the parents would be from lower > > > > > or Upper caste marriage, is ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > > > or maybe of same religion or other, but certainly > > > > > not put this placement as responsible for Father > > > > > Mother belonging to different caste. > > > > > > > > > > See what happens, when such students pick > > > > > up rahu as the cause, then other unscruplous astrologers > > > > > may take advantage of the knowledge the native is > > > > > having and may push the native further into this > > > > > thinking by supporting him/ her, that yes Rahu is the cause > > > > > for all this, and the native may form a life long enmity > > > > > with this planet, as we have seen many having formed for > > > > > Satutn. > > > > > > > > > > Unless the 7th house of the parents is influenced by > > > > > Rahu in their charts, or 7th to the the 4th or 9th > > > > > in the childs chart, or its Lords is influenced by Rahu, > > > > > just Rahu being present in Lagna would not be the > > > > > culprit. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > > > > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, Manasa and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter what websites we go to or what books we > read, > > > > > they can > > > > > > only (at best) give us a general guideline to the nature of > the > > > > > > planets...the rest, modified by so many things, we have to > > > figure > > > > > out for > > > > > > ourselves! Without doubt, the more our understanding grows > the > > > > less > > > > > our > > > > > > tendency to take offence at an other's interpretation will > be. > > > > > > > > > > > > To look into the matter of parents for instance, don't you > > > think > > > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > be wise to at least consult dwadashamsha before making a > broad > > > > > assumption > > > > > > and/or taking offence at a perceived insult. At all times we > > > > should > > > > > > endeavour to counter an assumption with knowledge rather > than > > > > with > > > > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Manasa has assumed that her parents mixed marriage is due > > > > (solely) > > > > > to the > > > > > > position of Rahu in her chart without looking any further > into > > > > > this. > > > > > > Whilst Bhaskar, with the same Rahu placement, has taken > > > > > offence...again, > > > > > > without looking any further into the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be a good idea to consult dwadashamsha and see what > > > this > > > > > tells > > > > > > us...don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, As you might recall, you put your chart forward on the group some time ago; and, if I might be permitted, I'd like to show the reason why you tend to blend different systems together when reading a chart...as I've said many times before there are as many ways of seeing horoscopes as there are eyes to see them. There can be no doubt that, although Rahu has a connection to 9th bhava in both our charts, my approach is totally different to yours. As it's been pointed out, Rahu is a significator of all things foreign and, in a female's chart, Jupiter is considered a (secondary) significator for husband. In my horoscope Rahu is closely conjunct 12th lord Jupiter in 7th house, so the foreign connection is especially strong, and indeed my husband/s have come from another country...and I, myself have lived in foreign countries. In regards to the significations of 9th house i.e. Vedas (jyotish being a limb of the vedas) both 9th lord Mercury and 9th karaka Jupiter are in exaltation whilst both Jupiter and Rahu occupy nakshatra of 9th lord himself. For You: 9th lord Mars is conjunct Rahu in lagna indicating (perhaps?) a blending of traditional vedic astrology techniques with those outside (or foreign to)...do you see what I mean? Both Mars and Rahu occupy nakshatra of Ketu who represents the unusual, extraordinary etc.. This is more pronounced with Ketu's dispositor (Saturn) conjunct 9th karaka Jupiter. No doubt your approach (blending different techniques), outside the norm, is what's most natural for you and will obviously give you the best results. Here, of course, we adhere to the traditional Parashara techniques as much as possible in order to avoid the confusion that comes from blending other techniques. Your chart shows that you're able to do this comfortably but this may not be the case for other members studying the fundamentals of Parashara. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:38 AM Re: rahu in 7th Dear Vic, I respect the rules of the List, and try not to bring in or share experiences with other systems of approach. But personally I am never averse to knowledge from all resources and neither rigid or utterly faithful to any one way, while rejecting the other ways. I would always like to view the problems from as many various ways as possible, and if the solution comes out common with the other approaches, on same platform that means we are very near to the truth. It is a effort for me to keep away at times untraditional talks in this List, but I am succesful most of the times. appreciate your perception levels. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 PS: I've noticed also that Manasa too will include the Jaimini CharaKarakas in her delineation (see below)... //Under the jaimini scheme, I found my chara-atmakaraka to be Rahu which works through natural atmakaraka Sun (chara-putrakaraka). Well, that cautions me about the trouble I will have in begetting a child.// Note 9th lord Mars and 9th karaka Jupiter conjunct Rahu in her chart :-) _________ Dear Bhaskar, As you might recall, you put your chart forward on the group some time ago; and, if I might be permitted, I'd like to show the reason why you tend to blend different systems together when reading a chart...as I've said many times before there are as many ways of seeing horoscopes as there are eyes to see them. There can be no doubt that, although Rahu has a connection to 9th bhava in both our charts, my approach is totally different to yours. As it's been pointed out, Rahu is a significator of all things foreign and, in a female's chart, Jupiter is considered a (secondary) significator for husband. In my horoscope Rahu is closely conjunct 12th lord Jupiter in 7th house, so the foreign connection is especially strong, and indeed my husband/s have come from another country...and I, myself have lived in foreign countries. In regards to the significations of 9th house i.e. Vedas (jyotish being a limb of the vedas) both 9th lord Mercury and 9th karaka Jupiter are in exaltation whilst both Jupiter and Rahu occupy nakshatra of 9th lord himself. For You: 9th lord Mars is conjunct Rahu in lagna indicating (perhaps?) a blending of traditional vedic astrology techniques with those outside (or foreign to)...do you see what I mean? Both Mars and Rahu occupy nakshatra of Ketu who represents the unusual, extraordinary etc.. This is more pronounced with Ketu's dispositor (Saturn) conjunct 9th karaka Jupiter. No doubt your approach (blending different techniques), outside the norm, is what's most natural for you and will obviously give you the best results. Here, of course, we adhere to the traditional Parashara techniques as much as possible in order to avoid the confusion that comes from blending other techniques. Your chart shows that you're able to do this comfortably but this may not be the case for other members studying the fundamentals of Parashara. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Dear Mrs.Wendy, It is a honour for me and a treat, whenever you comment on my chart. I am grateful you are able to go so deep in your analysis, and grasp the essence and display it to us in a subtle manner, in full clarity. I am also aware that you have good'knowledge of all the systems of approach, which I have witnessed on many occasions when some or the other member keeps on putting some query related to same, for instance both KP and Jamini. I do thoroughly respect this place and know that if i write one sentence of something un related to the Traditional Parashar, it is bound to bring in severale exchanges by other members who may not be comfortable, and cause confusions here. I will avoid the above to the best of my efforts. It was appreciable that you spent some time today on my chart, and so did a few days ago on another 3 members and flushed out the common factor prevalent in their Lives - Mercury running . best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > As you might recall, you put your chart forward on the group some time > ago; and, if I might be permitted, I'd like to show the reason why you > tend to blend different systems together when reading a chart...as I've > said many times before there are as many ways of seeing horoscopes as > there are eyes to see them. There can be no doubt that, although Rahu has > a connection to 9th bhava in both our charts, my approach is totally > different to yours. As it's been pointed out, Rahu is a significator of > all things foreign and, in a female's chart, Jupiter is considered a > (secondary) significator for husband. > In my horoscope Rahu is closely conjunct 12th lord Jupiter in 7th house, > so the foreign connection is especially strong, and indeed my husband/s > have come from another country...and I, myself have lived in foreign > countries. > > In regards to the significations of 9th house i.e. Vedas (jyotish being a > limb of the vedas) both 9th lord Mercury and 9th karaka Jupiter are in > exaltation whilst both Jupiter and Rahu occupy nakshatra of 9th lord > himself. > > For You: > 9th lord Mars is conjunct Rahu in lagna indicating (perhaps?) a blending > of traditional vedic astrology techniques with those outside (or foreign > to)...do you see what I mean? > Both Mars and Rahu occupy nakshatra of Ketu who represents the unusual, > extraordinary etc.. This is more pronounced with Ketu's dispositor > (Saturn) conjunct 9th karaka Jupiter. No doubt your approach (blending > different techniques), outside the norm, is what's most natural for you > and will obviously give you the best results. > > Here, of course, we adhere to the traditional Parashara techniques as > much as possible in order to avoid the confusion that comes from blending > other techniques. Your chart shows that you're able to do this > comfortably but this may not be the case for other members studying the > fundamentals of Parashara. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:38 AM > Re: rahu in 7th > > > Dear Vic, > > I respect the rules of the List, > and try not to bring in or share experiences > with other systems of approach. But personally > I am never averse to knowledge from all > resources and neither rigid or utterly faithful > to any one way, while rejecting the other ways. > I would always like to view the problems from > as many various ways as possible, and if the > solution comes out common with the other > approaches, on same platform that means we are > very near to the truth. It is a effort for > me to keep away at times untraditional talks > in this List, but I am succesful most of the times. > > appreciate your perception levels. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Su ji, In the chart you mentioned (31 Dec 1970; 10:30 PM; Shimoga [13n55, 75e34]), we find Rahu placed in star of Kuja, lord of the 4th and the 9th. At one level, this suggests a traditional marriage, doesn't it? Also, IMHO, for a love marriage, connection of the 11th [circle of friends] with the 7th strengthens the possibility. Here 11th lord Budha is in star of Ketu and 7th lord Sani is in star of Sukra, lord of the 10th and the 3rd. A mild possibility of a love marriage exists because of aspect of 7th lord on the 11th--but this is very very mild. The mind plays an important role here--and Chandra, karaka for mind, in star of Kuja (9th lord) aspected by Sani in Sani's house may have made the person a little too traditional--and maybe, this too would have ensured a traditional marriage, right? And finally, to have a love marriage implies the crossing of boundaries--the 12th house. Here, 12th house is aspected by own lord Chandra and by Guru--and the queen and the priest are traditional! :-) This chart interested me because I too have Rahu in the 7th. Astrologers have predicted a love marriage for me too because of, I assume, the presence of 11th lord in the 7th, and the presence of 7th lord in 11th in Navamsa. (As I'm still a bachelor, this prediction has not been proved or disproved so far! :-) But more than this, my main point is that, for anything to happen, a lot of factors have to come into play. For instance, the mere presence of Ketu in the 12th is NOT enough to give Moksha--Ketu should be in a good star and house, and all the three Moksha bhavas--the 4th, 8th and the 12th, along with the trikonas--1, 5, 9-- and their lords need to be strong to direct the person towards Moksha. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Su ji, ///This native likes his 'alone time' and even in friendly social gatherings often retreats to a corner by himself accompanied by a book. [Ketu in lag could account for tht too]./// I too have done this lots of times! And ironically, I too have Ketu in Lagna! :-) Maybe, Ketu in Lagna is responsible for what people will call eccentric behavior. ///I hope it will be proved...if thts what you wish :-)/// Let us see! Waqt se pehele aur takdeer se zyaada kisiko kuch nahi milta hai! [Nobody gets anything before the right time, and greater than what is to be given by Destiny]. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dear Su, One possible reason for the big age difference could be that Saturn occupies UL. At the same time, I would like to comment that this observation is not in line with Parashari principles. I have many such examples though. Such an age difference used to be a norm long ago and not in the current generation. Regards, Krishna vreality_au <reality_v wrote: Dear Bhaskar Thank you for the reply. I had alos considered rahu influencing the previous hse on account of the deg, but not quite in the educated way as you. Re the age difference, this natives wife is 9 yr younger...but I suppose that would be considered normal in India? But she has a more 'matured' look about her and looks about his age. That must be the influence of 7th lord Saturn I suppose with can also give an older or mature looking spouse. thanks and rdgs Su jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Su, > > Yes certainly. That was a good observation by you. > The degrees of aspect do make a difference whether > one may approve of this or not. Exact opposition like > on Full Moons day and exact conjunction of 2 Planets > does make a different impact then a seperating > aspect ( Sorry, using a western word to imply )or > a conjunction 8 and above degrees apart. > If the degree of ascendant and Rahu is far > apart then the influence of Rahu would all the more > be less. Marrying a person older than ones one age, > is also due to Rahu's influence on the 7th House > or 7th Lord. The other important factor > responsible may be the constellation of the 7th Cusp > Lord. The above may not hold weight with all astrologers, > so just treat this as my views. ( I was taught this > by my Guru, and found true in most cases). > In The example chart, Rahu being 2 degrees and > the Lagna 17degrees, the influence of Rahu may be > understood to fall primarily behind the Lagna, ie > on the 12th house, rather than the Lagna. > The 7th Lord Saturn too falls in constellation of > Bharini owned by Venus, giving a conventional > marriage. ( But all this is postmartem. ) You will > have to apply these rules for other charts having > unconventional marriage, and then check. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " vreality_au " <reality_v@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > may I ask you a q in relation to the foll > > > > //if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > or maybe of same religion or other,// > > > > In most cases, as you have mentioned I hve noticed that rahu in 7th > > gives a 'foreign' spouse - by religion, country, race, etc. But I > hve > > a chart here where teh native has rahu in 7th but is married to > > someone fr the same caste, religion, and even state. In, other > words > > theres little thts 'foreign' about her in relation to him. Would > you > > be able to comment why tht is so. I hve a another chart with > similar > > scenario. What I observe in these two charts is tht theres a big > gap > > of deg bet lagna deg and tht of rahu. Would tht make a diff? > > > > Natal Chart - male > > > > December 31, 1970 > > Time: 10:30:00 pm > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 34' 00 " , 13 N 55' 00 " > > Shimoga, India > > > > thanks > > Su > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy. > > > > > > Okay. Got your point. She was meaning it > > > for her parentage, and I was tanget somewhere. > > > > > > But for ones parentage to be influenced by the > > > position of Rahu IN MY HOROSCOPE Horoscope, I would not > > > blame Rahu unless it is influencing the Houses/Lords > > > who indicate father or mother . Because Rahu is sitting > > > in Lagna, the parents would be from lower > > > or Upper caste marriage, is ridiculous. > > > > > > On the contrary if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > or maybe of same religion or other, but certainly > > > not put this placement as responsible for Father > > > Mother belonging to different caste. > > > > > > See what happens, when such students pick > > > up rahu as the cause, then other unscruplous astrologers > > > may take advantage of the knowledge the native is > > > having and may push the native further into this > > > thinking by supporting him/ her, that yes Rahu is the cause > > > for all this, and the native may form a life long enmity > > > with this planet, as we have seen many having formed for > > > Satutn. > > > > > > Unless the 7th house of the parents is influenced by > > > Rahu in their charts, or 7th to the the 4th or 9th > > > in the childs chart, or its Lords is influenced by Rahu, > > > just Rahu being present in Lagna would not be the > > > culprit. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, Manasa and All, > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter what websites we go to or what books we read, > > > they can > > > > only (at best) give us a general guideline to the nature of the > > > > planets...the rest, modified by so many things, we have to > figure > > > out for > > > > ourselves! Without doubt, the more our understanding grows the > > less > > > our > > > > tendency to take offence at an other's interpretation will be. > > > > > > > > To look into the matter of parents for instance, don't you > think > > it > > > would > > > > be wise to at least consult dwadashamsha before making a broad > > > assumption > > > > and/or taking offence at a perceived insult. At all times we > > should > > > > endeavour to counter an assumption with knowledge rather than > > with > > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > Manasa has assumed that her parents mixed marriage is due > > (solely) > > > to the > > > > position of Rahu in her chart without looking any further into > > > this. > > > > Whilst Bhaskar, with the same Rahu placement, has taken > > > offence...again, > > > > without looking any further into the matter. > > > > > > > > It would be a good idea to consult dwadashamsha and see what > this > > > tells > > > > us...don't you think? > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dear Krishna, Su and All, We need to consider both 7th and 7th karaka (Venus) before coming to any firm conclusion. So let's not make a decision before considering what influences there are on Venus. * First thing to note is that 7th lord (Saturn) occupies nakshatra of Venus. * Also important is Saturn's navamsha position in sign of Venus. * 7th lord's dispositor occupies sign of Venus, and most importantly, * Venus (spouse) is conjunct 11th lord's dispositor (Jupiter). 11th, as we know, signifies society, community etc; see Bhrigu Sutras: http://jyotishvidya.com/part1_2.htm With 11th lord Mercury combust lagnesh Sun (who himself occupies Venus' nakshatra) whilst dispositor Jupiter closely conjuncts Venus, we might well assume that this native's spouse would most likely be someone from within his own community i.e., social community, caste etc...within one's own community! We might also assume that since Jupiter disposits the youngest planet (Mercury) that his spouse might be younger. Saturn owning 7th can indeed indicate a spouse mature and reserved in her looks and outlook etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, June 19, 2008 7:21 PM Re: Re: rahu in 7th Dear Su, One possible reason for the big age difference could be that Saturn occupies UL. At the same time, I would like to comment that this observation is not in line with Parashari principles. I have many such examples though. Such an age difference used to be a norm long ago and not in the current generation. Regards, Krishna vreality_au <reality_v wrote: Dear Bhaskar Thank you for the reply. I had alos considered rahu influencing the previous hse on account of the deg, but not quite in the educated way as you. Re the age difference, this natives wife is 9 yr younger...but I suppose that would be considered normal in India? But she has a more 'matured' look about her and looks about his age. That must be the influence of 7th lord Saturn I suppose with can also give an older or mature looking spouse. thanks and rdgs Su Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 PS: Also important not to miss Jupiter's role as karaka for 11th! ____ Dear Krishna, Su and All, We need to consider both 7th and 7th karaka (Venus) before coming to any firm conclusion. So let's not make a decision before considering what influences there are on Venus. * First thing to note is that 7th lord (Saturn) occupies nakshatra of Venus. * Also important is Saturn's navamsha position in sign of Venus. * 7th lord's dispositor occupies sign of Venus, and most importantly, * Venus (spouse) is conjunct 11th lord's dispositor (Jupiter). 11th, as we know, signifies society, community etc; see Bhrigu Sutras: http://jyotishvidya.com/part1_2.htm With 11th lord Mercury combust lagnesh Sun (who himself occupies Venus' nakshatra) whilst dispositor Jupiter closely conjuncts Venus, we might well assume that this native's spouse would most likely be someone from within his own community i.e., social community, caste etc...within one's own community! We might also assume that since Jupiter disposits the youngest planet (Mercury) that his spouse might be younger. Saturn owning 7th can indeed indicate a spouse mature and reserved in her looks and outlook etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 PPS: //we might well assume that this native's spouse would most likely be someone from within his own community i.e., social community, caste etc...within one's own community!// In the West, of course, this could indicate someone from the same religious or social community etc etc.. In my case, 11th karaka Jupiter (lord of 12th) conjunct Rahu in 7th bestowed spouse/s from another country...a far-off community :-) ____ PS: Also important not to miss Jupiter's role as karaka for 11th! ____ Dear Krishna, Su and All, We need to consider both 7th and 7th karaka (Venus) before coming to any firm conclusion. So let's not make a decision before considering what influences there are on Venus. * First thing to note is that 7th lord (Saturn) occupies nakshatra of Venus. * Also important is Saturn's navamsha position in sign of Venus. * 7th lord's dispositor occupies sign of Venus, and most importantly, * Venus (spouse) is conjunct 11th lord's dispositor (Jupiter). 11th, as we know, signifies society, community etc; see Bhrigu Sutras: http://jyotishvidya.com/part1_2.htm With 11th lord Mercury combust lagnesh Sun (who himself occupies Venus' nakshatra) whilst dispositor Jupiter closely conjuncts Venus, we might well assume that this native's spouse would most likely be someone from within his own community i.e., social community, caste etc...within one's own community! We might also assume that since Jupiter disposits the youngest planet (Mercury) that his spouse might be younger. Saturn owning 7th can indeed indicate a spouse mature and reserved in her looks and outlook etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dear Balaji, Mrs. Wendy, and Su: In my personal notes on the planets, I have Ketu described as " secretive introvert " . - Vic On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:40 AM, vreality_au wrote: > Dear Balaji > > " ///This native likes his 'alone time' and even in friendly social > gatherings often retreats to a corner by himself accompanied by a > book. [Ketu in lag could account for tht too]./// > > I too have done this lots of times! And ironically, I too have Ketu > in Lagna! // " > > I am notorious for the same trait - and yes i hve ketu in lag too > > rgds Su > > jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan > <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > > > Su ji, > > > > ///This native likes his 'alone time' and even in friendly social > gatherings often retreats to a corner by himself accompanied by a > book. [Ketu in lag could account for tht too]./// > > > > I too have done this lots of times! And ironically, I too have Ketu > in Lagna! :-) > > > > Maybe, Ketu in Lagna is responsible for what people will call > eccentric behavior. > > > > ///I hope it will be proved...if thts what you wish :-)/// > > > > Let us see! Waqt se pehele aur takdeer se zyaada kisiko kuch nahi > milta hai! [Nobody gets anything before the right time, and greater > than what is to be given by Destiny]. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Balaji Narasimhan > > Author & Editor > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Su, >> I said: >> > In my personal notes on the planets, I have Ketu described as >> > " secretive introvert " . you replied: > I think I would use 'private' rather than 'secretive' Secrecy and privacy are largely synonymous. However, in my notes, Saturn is the one who get's the word " Privacy " and Ketu gets " Secretive " . There is a reason why: Saturn is lonely and therefore naturally private, Privacy is a more passive term indicative of an inherent nature. Ketu however is choas personified. The type of privacy associated with ketu is of an uncontrollable and compulsive nature. Secretive is a term indicating action more than nature - a person willingly behaves in a " scretive " manner. Therefore I find the term more appropriate in describing Ketu. Also Saturn is " private. " He is a legitimate sura who just lives very far away and keeps to himself. Ketu is not private he is secretive. He is an asura who disguises himself and secretly tries to enter the company of the devas. With respect, Vic On Jun 19, 2008, at 10:01 AM, vreality_au wrote: > I think I would use 'private' rather than 'secretive' > > Su > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > > > Dear Balaji, Mrs. Wendy, and Su: > > > > In my personal notes on the planets, I have Ketu described as > > " secretive introvert " . > > > > - Vic > > > > On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:40 AM, vreality_au wrote: > > > > > Dear Balaji > > > > > > " ///This native likes his 'alone time' and even in friendly > social > > > gatherings often retreats to a corner by himself accompanied by a > > > book. [Ketu in lag could account for tht too]./// > > > > > > I too have done this lots of times! And ironically, I too have > Ketu > > > in Lagna! // " > > > > > > I am notorious for the same trait - and yes i hve ketu in lag > too > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan > > > <sherlockbalaji@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Su ji, > > > > > > > > ///This native likes his 'alone time' and even in friendly > social > > > gatherings often retreats to a corner by himself accompanied by a > > > book. [Ketu in lag could account for tht too]./// > > > > > > > > I too have done this lots of times! And ironically, I too have > Ketu > > > in Lagna! :-) > > > > > > > > Maybe, Ketu in Lagna is responsible for what people will call > > > eccentric behavior. > > > > > > > > ///I hope it will be proved...if thts what you wish :-)/// > > > > > > > > Let us see! Waqt se pehele aur takdeer se zyaada kisiko kuch > nahi > > > milta hai! [Nobody gets anything before the right time, and > greater > > > than what is to be given by Destiny]. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Balaji Narasimhan > > > > Author & Editor > > > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dear Su, I have responded to your ID directly. Regards, Krishna vreality_au <reality_v wrote: Dear Krishna thank you for the input. //One possible reason for the big age difference could be that Saturn occupies UL.// Would Sa in UL account for any age diff - I mean younger and older? Sa is usually assoc with older is it not? I checked my chart stock for those with older spouses, and you know what, in almost all cases Sa seems to be assoc with UL or UL lord!! thanks, Su jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Su, > > One possible reason for the big age difference could be that Saturn occupies UL. At the same time, I would like to comment that this observation is not in line with Parashari principles. I have many such examples though. > > Such an age difference used to be a norm long ago and not in the current generation. > > Regards, > Krishna > > vreality_au <reality_v wrote: Dear Bhaskar > Thank you for the reply. I had alos considered rahu influencing the > previous hse on account of the deg, but not quite in the educated way > as you. > > Re the age difference, this natives wife is 9 yr younger...but I > suppose that would be considered normal in India? But she has a > more 'matured' look about her and looks about his age. That must be > the influence of 7th lord Saturn I suppose with can also give an > older or mature looking spouse. > > thanks and rdgs Su > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Su, > > > > Yes certainly. That was a good observation by you. > > The degrees of aspect do make a difference whether > > one may approve of this or not. Exact opposition like > > on Full Moons day and exact conjunction of 2 Planets > > does make a different impact then a seperating > > aspect ( Sorry, using a western word to imply )or > > a conjunction 8 and above degrees apart. > > If the degree of ascendant and Rahu is far > > apart then the influence of Rahu would all the more > > be less. Marrying a person older than ones one age, > > is also due to Rahu's influence on the 7th House > > or 7th Lord. The other important factor > > responsible may be the constellation of the 7th Cusp > > Lord. The above may not hold weight with all astrologers, > > so just treat this as my views. ( I was taught this > > by my Guru, and found true in most cases). > > In The example chart, Rahu being 2 degrees and > > the Lagna 17degrees, the influence of Rahu may be > > understood to fall primarily behind the Lagna, ie > > on the 12th house, rather than the Lagna. > > The 7th Lord Saturn too falls in constellation of > > Bharini owned by Venus, giving a conventional > > marriage. ( But all this is postmartem. ) You will > > have to apply these rules for other charts having > > unconventional marriage, and then check. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " vreality_au " <reality_v@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > may I ask you a q in relation to the foll > > > > > > //if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > > or maybe of same religion or other,// > > > > > > In most cases, as you have mentioned I hve noticed that rahu in > 7th > > > gives a 'foreign' spouse - by religion, country, race, etc. But I > > hve > > > a chart here where teh native has rahu in 7th but is married to > > > someone fr the same caste, religion, and even state. In, other > > words > > > theres little thts 'foreign' about her in relation to him. Would > > you > > > be able to comment why tht is so. I hve a another chart with > > similar > > > scenario. What I observe in these two charts is tht theres a big > > gap > > > of deg bet lagna deg and tht of rahu. Would tht make a diff? > > > > > > Natal Chart - male > > > > > > December 31, 1970 > > > Time: 10:30:00 pm > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 75 E 34' 00 " , 13 N 55' 00 " > > > Shimoga, India > > > > > > thanks > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy. > > > > > > > > Okay. Got your point. She was meaning it > > > > for her parentage, and I was tanget somewhere. > > > > > > > > But for ones parentage to be influenced by the > > > > position of Rahu IN MY HOROSCOPE Horoscope, I would not > > > > blame Rahu unless it is influencing the Houses/Lords > > > > who indicate father or mother . Because Rahu is sitting > > > > in Lagna, the parents would be from lower > > > > or Upper caste marriage, is ridiculous. > > > > > > > > On the contrary if Rahu influences the 7th house, > > > > one may call the native having laisons ( partnerships > > > > of all types not just physical friendship )with > > > > all types of persons , maybe of same caste, or upper/lower, > > > > or maybe of same religion or other, but certainly > > > > not put this placement as responsible for Father > > > > Mother belonging to different caste. > > > > > > > > See what happens, when such students pick > > > > up rahu as the cause, then other unscruplous astrologers > > > > may take advantage of the knowledge the native is > > > > having and may push the native further into this > > > > thinking by supporting him/ her, that yes Rahu is the cause > > > > for all this, and the native may form a life long enmity > > > > with this planet, as we have seen many having formed for > > > > Satutn. > > > > > > > > Unless the 7th house of the parents is influenced by > > > > Rahu in their charts, or 7th to the the 4th or 9th > > > > in the childs chart, or its Lords is influenced by Rahu, > > > > just Rahu being present in Lagna would not be the > > > > culprit. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > > > > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, Manasa and All, > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter what websites we go to or what books we > read, > > > > they can > > > > > only (at best) give us a general guideline to the nature of > the > > > > > planets...the rest, modified by so many things, we have to > > figure > > > > out for > > > > > ourselves! Without doubt, the more our understanding grows > the > > > less > > > > our > > > > > tendency to take offence at an other's interpretation will be. > > > > > > > > > > To look into the matter of parents for instance, don't you > > think > > > it > > > > would > > > > > be wise to at least consult dwadashamsha before making a > broad > > > > assumption > > > > > and/or taking offence at a perceived insult. At all times we > > > should > > > > > endeavour to counter an assumption with knowledge rather than > > > with > > > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > > > Manasa has assumed that her parents mixed marriage is due > > > (solely) > > > > to the > > > > > position of Rahu in her chart without looking any further > into > > > > this. > > > > > Whilst Bhaskar, with the same Rahu placement, has taken > > > > offence...again, > > > > > without looking any further into the matter. > > > > > > > > > > It would be a good idea to consult dwadashamsha and see what > > this > > > > tells > > > > > us...don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dear Su, Krishna and All, The problem with incorporating Jaimini techniques (AL etc) into Parashara is that there are very specific (different) rules associated with the two systems. The karakas for instance are extremely important when judging the outcome of a particular bhava; and, as we know, different karakas are used in the two systems. We then have to consider the effect of rasi aspect as opposed to graha aspect...not to mention the importance of adhering to the Jaimini dasa system in relation to (the above) bhava padas, charakarakas etc, etc... Jaimini IS a totally different system to Parashara and it's just foolhardy to try to mix the two systems together. It's quite inappropriate to use Parashara's vimsottari dasa system along with Jaimini bhava padas etc.. I wish people could learn to use one system or the other! Apart from the features already pointed out in the chart under discussion, it should be noted also that Virgo rises in navamsha. Virgo is ruled by Mercury, the younger planet. Another important point I should point out is the importance of considering the chart of both spouses. I'm forced to use my chart (again) as an example as it shows strongly the need to consult both charts. My first husband, to whom I was married to for many years, was 14 yrs older than myself. My present husband is almost 5 yrs younger. This can be understood by looking at their charts... First Husband has both 7th lord and 7th karaka in sign of Mercury, indicating younger spouses. Each spouse he's had has been younger than the last. Present Husband has mixed possibilities with 7th lord Saturn aspecting 7th from lagna whilst Venus occupies Gemini. He's been married twice and both spouses have been older. What has tipped the scales for him is Capricorn rising in navamsha...Capricorn ruled by Saturn, the older planet. PS: The greatest disadvantage of mixing Parashara and Jaimini is that it prevents one from going deep into either system. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " vreality_au " <reality_v <jyotish-vidya > Friday, June 20, 2008 12:35 AM Re: rahu in 7th Dear Krishna thank you for the input. //One possible reason for the big age difference could be that Saturn occupies UL.// Would Sa in UL account for any age diff - I mean younger and older? Sa is usually assoc with older is it not? I checked my chart stock for those with older spouses, and you know what, in almost all cases Sa seems to be assoc with UL or UL lord!! thanks, Su jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Su, > > One possible reason for the big age difference could be that Saturn occupies UL. At the same time, I would like to comment that this observation is not in line with Parashari principles. I have many such examples though. > > Such an age difference used to be a norm long ago and not in the current generation. > > Regards, > Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Wendy ji, ///Jaimini IS a totally different system to Parashara and it's just foolhardy to try to mix the two systems together. It's quite inappropriate to use Parashara's vimsottari dasa system along with Jaimini bhava padas etc.. I wish people could learn to use one system or the other!/// This is very true! In fact this reminds me of a man who dug 10 feet for water in one place, moved on, dug 10 feet in another place, and did this in ten different places. When he rued the fact that he didn't get water anywhere, a wise man pointed out, " if you had dug 100 feet in ONE place, you would have got water! " ///First Husband has both 7th lord and 7th karaka in sign of Mercury, indicating younger spouses. Each spouse he's had has been younger than the last./// In the early 90s, somebody read my palm and told me that I would marry somebody older than myself. At that time, I didn't pay much attention. But now, from what you say, I understand--I have 7th lord and 7th karaka in the signs of Sani... ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Dear Balaji, //This is very true! In fact this reminds me of a man who dug 10 feet for water in one place, moved on, dug 10 feet in another place, and did this in ten different places. When he rued the fact that he didn't get water anywhere, a wise man pointed out, " if you had dug 100 feet in ONE place, you would have got water! " // A good analogy :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Friday, June 20, 2008 4:43 PM Re: rahu in 7th Wendy ji, ///Jaimini IS a totally different system to Parashara and it's just foolhardy to try to mix the two systems together. It's quite inappropriate to use Parashara's vimsottari dasa system along with Jaimini bhava padas etc.. I wish people could learn to use one system or the other!/// This is very true! In fact this reminds me of a man who dug 10 feet for water in one place, moved on, dug 10 feet in another place, and did this in ten different places. When he rued the fact that he didn't get water anywhere, a wise man pointed out, " if you had dug 100 feet in ONE place, you would have got water! " ///First Husband has both 7th lord and 7th karaka in sign of Mercury, indicating younger spouses. Each spouse he's had has been younger than the last./// In the early 90s, somebody read my palm and told me that I would marry somebody older than myself. At that time, I didn't pay much attention. But now, from what you say, I understand--I have 7th lord and 7th karaka in the signs of Sani... ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, If I am permitted to write a line here, the important factor to be kept in mind is that where you are digging... whether the place is located in a desert or at the top of a hill or near a river bed. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Balaji, > > //This is very true! In fact this reminds me of a man who dug 10 feet for > water in one place, moved on, dug 10 feet in another place, and did this > in ten different places. When he rued the fact that he didn't get water > anywhere, a wise man pointed out, " if you had dug 100 feet in ONE place, > you would have got water! " // > > A good analogy :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 I will also add a few lines here, without reference to any mail/person in particular, but just in general. Okay one digs at a place continously and finds water there ? What next ? Is he supposed to stay there for the rest of his Life ? Or if he knows that a treasure is lying if he digs further but his capacity like most others is just to dig uptil that water level and no further, then must he become stagnant and not put in efforts to dig wells at other places too ? To become a Master, is not everybody's cup of tea. There is also no definition of Mastery. One astrologer may be good at poitning out certain aspects of a persons Life very well, but would miserably fail in other departments. This would not mean that he has not dug deep, or does not have the capacity to go deeper. His forte may be Medical astrology, someone elses maybe Mundane, while someoneelses maybe Natal. Again in Natal there maybe many branches . One may be good at predicting children, one may be good at predicting date of marriage, while one may be good at predicting date of new jobs or profession. I personally feel that if I know to predict the marriage date through one approach or system ,then no harm in trying to learn another and yet another. And if I learn all the three and the date of marriage comes out approximately same in all the approaches,then this study of several approaches would have paid me good dividends. But I agree that unless one has learnt a system well, until then, one must not mix up other systems, or else all would be lost and what would be left would only be confusions and plenty of conclusions, and nobody to help which one to choose as the right one. Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > If I am permitted to write a line here, the important factor to be > kept in mind is that where you are digging... whether the place is > located in a desert or at the top of a hill or near a river bed. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > //This is very true! In fact this reminds me of a man who dug 10 > feet for > > water in one place, moved on, dug 10 feet in another place, and did > this > > in ten different places. When he rued the fact that he didn't get > water > > anywhere, a wise man pointed out, " if you had dug 100 feet in ONE > place, > > you would have got water! " // > > > > A good analogy :-) > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Mrs. Wendy Wrote: > PS: The greatest disadvantage of mixing Parashara and Jaimini is > that it > prevents one from going deep into either system. > I am just reading James Braha, Ancient Hindu Astrology... and at the beginning he agrees, and it also resonates with me. He says there are three major systems of Indian Astrology (I believe he identifies, Parashar, Jaimini, and Tajaka) and says they are all glorious but incompatible and should not be mixed. There are a few things in the book stated by him that I do not agree with, or that I think he was only saying because of a target western audience with certain habits of doing things - but this is not one of them. I agree fully. Yours, Vic http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Dear Wendy, I am perplexed. Did I mix two systems in my statement? Please tell me if I have done it in my response to Su. What I stated is that the lady married someone much older than her can be seen from Saturn occupying UL. Please let me know if I mixed two systems in my statement. Regards, Krishna Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Su, Krishna and All, The problem with incorporating Jaimini techniques (AL etc) into Parashara is that there are very specific (different) rules associated with the two systems. The karakas for instance are extremely important when judging the outcome of a particular bhava; and, as we know, different karakas are used in the two systems. We then have to consider the effect of rasi aspect as opposed to graha aspect...not to mention the importance of adhering to the Jaimini dasa system in relation to (the above) bhava padas, charakarakas etc, etc... Jaimini IS a totally different system to Parashara and it's just foolhardy to try to mix the two systems together. It's quite inappropriate to use Parashara's vimsottari dasa system along with Jaimini bhava padas etc.. I wish people could learn to use one system or the other! Apart from the features already pointed out in the chart under discussion, it should be noted also that Virgo rises in navamsha. Virgo is ruled by Mercury, the younger planet. Another important point I should point out is the importance of considering the chart of both spouses. I'm forced to use my chart (again) as an example as it shows strongly the need to consult both charts. My first husband, to whom I was married to for many years, was 14 yrs older than myself. My present husband is almost 5 yrs younger. This can be understood by looking at their charts... First Husband has both 7th lord and 7th karaka in sign of Mercury, indicating younger spouses. Each spouse he's had has been younger than the last. Present Husband has mixed possibilities with 7th lord Saturn aspecting 7th from lagna whilst Venus occupies Gemini. He's been married twice and both spouses have been older. What has tipped the scales for him is Capricorn rising in navamsha...Capricorn ruled by Saturn, the older planet. PS: The greatest disadvantage of mixing Parashara and Jaimini is that it prevents one from going deep into either system. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " vreality_au " <reality_v <jyotish-vidya > Friday, June 20, 2008 12:35 AM Re: rahu in 7th Dear Krishna thank you for the input. //One possible reason for the big age difference could be that Saturn occupies UL.// Would Sa in UL account for any age diff - I mean younger and older? Sa is usually assoc with older is it not? I checked my chart stock for those with older spouses, and you know what, in almost all cases Sa seems to be assoc with UL or UL lord!! thanks, Su jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Su, > > One possible reason for the big age difference could be that Saturn occupies UL. At the same time, I would like to comment that this observation is not in line with Parashari principles. I have many such examples though. > > Such an age difference used to be a norm long ago and not in the current generation. > > Regards, > Krishna From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Dear Bhaskarji, > Okay one digs at a place continously > and finds water there ? What next ? > Is he supposed to stay there for the rest of his > Life ? > > I personally feel that if I know to predict the marriage > date through one approach or system ,then no harm > in trying to learn another and yet another. And if > I learn all the three and the date of marriage comes out > approximately same in all the approaches,then this > study of several approaches would have paid me good > dividends. > The well digging picture is an excellent analogy, but let's remember it's just an analogy. The cautions in my mind regarding the various distinct systems, (heck, even Chinese and Tropical Western systems) is *NOT* that they are not to be used, but more precisely that they are not to be *MIXED*. In other words, if you take a person and make a complete analysis of their marriage date (for example) through parashar, then again through jaimini, then again separately through tajaka, then again through japanese buddhist astrologoy, then again through chinese, then again through western.... and then compare the results (or even comine the *results*, not the *process*) that is acceptable and even " Excellent " . But to assign a western planet (like Uranus) as an atmakara on a Jaimini basis, in the year of the double tiger of chinese zodiacs, and then analyse the aspect of Rahu upon its placement in the 7th house - well that's just a 10 headed monster! =) Yours, Vic http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Dear Vic, You understood my point very well which I appreciate. I was just talking of having additional tools for arriving at the same result which we have arrived through our favourite approach, so that we become more sure and definite about the result which we have arrived through our favourite approach, which is now accentuated by these additional tools of knowledge at our disposal. You got me right on the " MIXING " part, which is not good for any student or expert, just to match the results is what the motto must be. thanks for understanding clearly what i meant. regards, bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > Okay one digs at a place continously > > and finds water there ? What next ? > > Is he supposed to stay there for the rest of his > > Life ? > > > > I personally feel that if I know to predict the marriage > > date through one approach or system ,then no harm > > in trying to learn another and yet another. And if > > I learn all the three and the date of marriage comes out > > approximately same in all the approaches,then this > > study of several approaches would have paid me good > > dividends. > > > > The well digging picture is an excellent analogy, but let's remember > it's just an analogy. The cautions in my mind regarding the various > distinct systems, (heck, even Chinese and Tropical Western systems) is > *NOT* that they are not to be used, but more precisely that they are > not to be *MIXED*. In other words, if you take a person and make a > complete analysis of their marriage date (for example) through > parashar, then again through jaimini, then again separately through > tajaka, then again through japanese buddhist astrologoy, then again > through chinese, then again through western.... and then compare the > results (or even comine the *results*, not the *process*) that is > acceptable and even " Excellent " . But to assign a western planet (like > Uranus) as an atmakara on a Jaimini basis, in the year of the double > tiger of chinese zodiacs, and then analyse the aspect of Rahu upon its > placement in the 7th house - well that's just a 10 headed monster! =) > > Yours, > Vic > http://www.vedicastrologer.net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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