A Serendipitous Experience --- A possible explanation.

[Guest guest]

Dear prashanthji,

 

You wrote:

 

//so keep trying this and surely u will reach better heights and we

will be happy to read more of such experiences not just from u, but

sure would have inspired a few more to try them so keep trying this

and surely u will reach better heights and we will be happy to read

more of such experiences not just from u, but sure would have inspired

a few more to try them//

 

My response is to you and all other silent readers of this thread. If

I could give a possible explanation based on my knowledge in science,

this is the mystery behind the whole experience:

 

First of all, it is important to understand that it is our thought

process that influence our perception. Our thought process inturn is

influenced by the circumstances in which we live and the knowledge we

have. Once we have perceived one thing, it is turned into an

experience.Through experience we achieve wisdom.So when the experience

repeats itself, it automatically initiates a thought process and then

it is perceived. Not to mention, this is a cyclic process. So what if

something intercepts the cycle, it leads to a different perception and

a different experience.That results in learning something new and you

achieve wisdom.

 

 

Now to the scientific explanation, in the recent times there came this

theory which is pretty much the same as what I have written before.It

says that cell functioning could be altered by environmental

signals. In this case, the environmental signal is the factor that

changes how the cell perceives and what alters cell function. This is

the epigenetic theory.

 

Now in meditation (light/deep) we are basically focussing on certain

points in our body which are energy centers. A person in deep

meditation could clearly feel warmth or coolness(which varies from

person to person) in these areas. Through focussing we are basically

activating the nerves in the area which results in energy release. It

is said that one has seven major energy centers in his body. 6th and

7th in the head in proximity to the brain.So when ever one activates

these centers through focussing, all your energy is focussed on these

points which activates nerve signals and has severe impact on your

brain making you feel ungrounded.This happens in a split of second

that one may not know what to do and what not to do. The so called

transcendental experience is nothing but a programming of the

brain.Depending on which centers of the brain are activated,you get an

experience. when centers in the brain are activated beyond a point, it

is highly likely that you may hallucinate suffer from fits or

paralysis or even go into psychosis. I feel blessed to have got out of

this with a heaviness in my head, but I already know some changes are

taking place in my body. The changes have just started and only god

knows its outcome!!. So it is up to you all to decide whether it is

worth a great experience.I would venture to say to people who are

happy with their life never to try for it, 'coz the drastic shift in

energy could turn you feeling an alien to your body.

 

Earlier I used the term programming. Let me write a few lines on that

too. It's again the possible explanation to why some got benefited by

such an exercise. As I have written earlier environmental signals

program genes to alter cell function. So if the signals are mild (how

would rate it as mild is another issue)cells could better adapt and

modify their functions. Say a genetic change leading to the said

response. So I would say the exercise of such a kind leads to genetic

modification in the natural way. Long time side effects of these

varies from person to person and could be learnt only through experience.

 

I hope this information was useful to at least some of you.

 

For those who wish to read on epigenetic changes, please refer to this

link:

http://www.spiritcrossing.org/index.php?Itemid=39 & id=139 & option=com_content & task\

=view

 

Regards,

Manasa.

[Guest guest]

Dear Manasa,

 

well u have opened it better for many people again a good job

 

well I have immense faith in our tariditional methods and as they have been

tested over the times if applied will deliver this is true with all

branches, it is sad that most of our great wisdom is almost dead, that is

why I said ur post can inspire some to try

 

this is similar to Sr Sri ravi shaknar's ART OF LIVING program called

Sudarshana kriya where all these r awakened so well and when done to some

level u can experience a `out of the body experience after u finish it, I

hope u have heard of them else see a satsang of theirs where people been on

this road can share their views

 

I have been thru this and also seen others give their account have ben to

sat sangs of other

 

and we know how great sadhakas have traversed the length and breath of the

land by sheer yogic powers Adi Shankara's case is poiunt who in a very young

age traveled across the Indian sub continent 8 times apart for Parakaya

prevesha [entering another body] Yoga levles has sucha potential the

ashtanga yoga or 8 levels of them the 7th and 8th levels if perfected gives

u such staes, which require a rigirous discplined approach to the methods in

body and mind

 

keep posting it is nice to see younger generations gettig to learn our

wealth from the past in their own way.

 

best wishes

 

 

 

On 3/2/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

>

> Dear prashanthji,

>

> You wrote:

>

> //so keep trying this and surely u will reach better heights and we

> will be happy to read more of such experiences not just from u, but

> sure would have inspired a few more to try them so keep trying this

> and surely u will reach better heights and we will be happy to read

> more of such experiences not just from u, but sure would have inspired

> a few more to try them//

>

> My response is to you and all other silent readers of this thread. If

> I could give a possible explanation based on my knowledge in science,

> this is the mystery behind the whole experience:

>

> First of all, it is important to understand that it is our thought

> process that influence our perception. Our thought process inturn is

> influenced by the circumstances in which we live and the knowledge we

> have. Once we have perceived one thing, it is turned into an

> experience.Through experience we achieve wisdom.So when the experience

> repeats itself, it automatically initiates a thought process and then

> it is perceived. Not to mention, this is a cyclic process. So what if

> something intercepts the cycle, it leads to a different perception and

> a different experience.That results in learning something new and you

> achieve wisdom.

>

> Now to the scientific explanation, in the recent times there came this

> theory which is pretty much the same as what I have written before.It

> says that cell functioning could be altered by environmental

> signals. In this case, the environmental signal is the factor that

> changes how the cell perceives and what alters cell function. This is

> the epigenetic theory.

>

> Now in meditation (light/deep) we are basically focussing on certain

> points in our body which are energy centers. A person in deep

> meditation could clearly feel warmth or coolness(which varies from

> person to person) in these areas. Through focussing we are basically

> activating the nerves in the area which results in energy release. It

> is said that one has seven major energy centers in his body. 6th and

> 7th in the head in proximity to the brain.So when ever one activates

> these centers through focussing, all your energy is focussed on these

> points which activates nerve signals and has severe impact on your

> brain making you feel ungrounded.This happens in a split of second

> that one may not know what to do and what not to do. The so called

> transcendental experience is nothing but a programming of the

> brain.Depending on which centers of the brain are activated,you get an

> experience. when centers in the brain are activated beyond a point, it

> is highly likely that you may hallucinate suffer from fits or

> paralysis or even go into psychosis. I feel blessed to have got out of

> this with a heaviness in my head, but I already know some changes are

> taking place in my body. The changes have just started and only god

> knows its outcome!!. So it is up to you all to decide whether it is

> worth a great experience.I would venture to say to people who are

> happy with their life never to try for it, 'coz the drastic shift in

> energy could turn you feeling an alien to your body.

>

> Earlier I used the term programming. Let me write a few lines on that

> too. It's again the possible explanation to why some got benefited by

> such an exercise. As I have written earlier environmental signals

> program genes to alter cell function. So if the signals are mild (how

> would rate it as mild is another issue)cells could better adapt and

> modify their functions. Say a genetic change leading to the said

> response. So I would say the exercise of such a kind leads to genetic

> modification in the natural way. Long time side effects of these

> varies from person to person and could be learnt only through experience.

>

> I hope this information was useful to at least some of you.

>

> For those who wish to read on epigenetic changes, please refer to this

> link:

>

>

http://www.spiritcrossing.org/index.php?Itemid=39 & id=139 & option=com_content & task\

=view

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

>

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear prashanthji,

 

Your post points to the fact that realization is possible through

wisdom and gaining of wisdom is possible through experience and to

experience one thing we should have the desire to learn.

 

I have taken the art of living course 10 yrs back. But I have been a

skeptic them. Isn't it true that each learning begins with certain

amount of skepticism? Unless we question a fact how do we learn? The

recent experience has helped me realize the essence of life and most

importantly the art of living.

 

I have so much to share with you all. But I would write to you on it

later, for I realize I should take a little more time before I write

about it.

 

regards,

 

Manasa.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Manasa. My Pranams first of all to the owner of this group

viz. Smt. Wendy Ji who has provided a fine platform for all to

express under the code of reverence. On that token, May I write a

few words?

 

Yes, it is good to evaluate initially on a few paths to realizing

the Self before identifying with one particular path - Art of Living

in your case. This indentification with a particular path comes due

to pull of jeeva which in turn comes due to past live(s) sadhana.

Let me give another contrasting dimension. The great sage Vashishtha

told Shri Rama , " The Truth is so close to you that you can know it

in the time it takes to blink your eyes. Yet many ages have passed

and you still have not seen it " .

 

What I am trying to say is that if one's heart is completely pure ,

if one has complete faith in ones Guru and is completely

surrendered, one would experience the Truth immediately. But because

most do not have this kind of faith, they have to do sadhana

(Sudarshana Kriya in your case). They have to meditate. They have to

practise mantra repetition. Only then can they hold onto Guru

Shakti. Only then will they be able to assimilate his teachings. If

one was totally surrendered with complete faith to the Guru all of

this would not be necessary. This was Vashishtha's message to Shri

Rama.

 

Sadhana is the means by which you can make your heart pure enough

and strong enough to hold the knowledge of Truth given by your Guru.

Have Faith. Faith can move mountains.

 

I hope I have given enough for everyone to munch upon. I would be

delighted to hear about your experiences. If you do not want write

publicly if you feel like you can email me personally.

 

Best Wishes.

 

Shri

 

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth

wrote:

>

> Dear prashanthji,

>

> Your post points to the fact that realization is possible through

> wisdom and gaining of wisdom is possible through experience and to

> experience one thing we should have the desire to learn.

>

> I have taken the art of living course 10 yrs back. But I have been

a

> skeptic them. Isn't it true that each learning begins with certain

> amount of skepticism? Unless we question a fact how do we learn?

The

> recent experience has helped me realize the essence of life and

most

> importantly the art of living.

>

> I have so much to share with you all. But I would write to you on

it

> later, for I realize I should take a little more time before I

write

> about it.

>

> regards,

>

> Manasa.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri, Manasa and All,

 

In keeping with the group's mission to discuss the finer points of jyotish,

let's take a look at the astrological influences at the time...

 

Proving the birth data is correct, Manasa was running dasa of RA-ME-RA-SA.

Natal Rahu occupies lagna in nakshatra of Ketu whilst dispositor Sun (also

in Ketu's nakshatra) occupies 5th house of spiritual (meditation) techniques

etc..

 

Manasa Wrote:

///I strongly believe that there is an astrological connection to the

whole incident. Transiting jupiter in Sagittarius has finally

activated the parivarthana between my first lord and fifth lord; which

is also shared by 9th lord & rahu. As to me this is definitely a

mahaparivarthana. In the days to come I hope I would change further

for good.///

 

Yes, indeed! The exchange between 1st/5th lords (SU/JU) has lent this

quality to Rahu who was, at the time, transiting Aquarius in nakshatra of

4th lord Mars whilst dispositor Saturn and MokshaKaraka Ketu were transiting

lagna in Ketu's own nakshatra...note (also) the mutual aspect between

transit

MA/JU (4th/5th lords)...

 

If I could just regress to the conversation I had with Balaji recently

regarding the significance of moksha bhavas (4, 9, 12) being 12th from the

dharmasthanas. 12th, as we know, is the house of 'Loss'...indicating, not

just loss of wealth (expenditure), but all kinds of loss, including loss of

boundaries i.e., geographical boundaries (travel to far-off places) and

social boundaries (hence described as a house of sin) as well as boundaries

of empirical ego, boundaries of consciousness etc.. (hence it's connection

with moksha)...

 

If the chart indicates it, a native engaged in some spiritual/meditation

practice may experience deeper states of consciousness more spontaneously

due to influence of moksha lord's assistance during meditation practice.

 

In my own chart, 4th moksha lord Mars (12th from 5th) occupying 5th has been

a tremendous boon in regards to unbounded awareness during meditation...the

Self witnessing itself witnessing itself :-)))

 

Manasa is absolutely correct when she says;

///I strongly believe that there is an astrological connection to the

whole incident.///

 

I hope I've put this forward with sufficient clarity...still a little foggy,

I'm afraid, after a week of being laid up with a virus :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" svc_astro " <svc_astro

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, March 07, 2008 3:24 AM

Re: A Serendipitous Experience --- A possible

explanation.

 

 

Namaste Manasa. My Pranams first of all to the owner of this group

viz. Smt. Wendy Ji who has provided a fine platform for all to

express under the code of reverence. On that token, May I write a

few words?

 

Yes, it is good to evaluate initially on a few paths to realizing

the Self before identifying with one particular path - Art of Living

in your case. This indentification with a particular path comes due

to pull of jeeva which in turn comes due to past live(s) sadhana.

Let me give another contrasting dimension. The great sage Vashishtha

told Shri Rama , " The Truth is so close to you that you can know it

in the time it takes to blink your eyes. Yet many ages have passed

and you still have not seen it " .

 

What I am trying to say is that if one's heart is completely pure ,

if one has complete faith in ones Guru and is completely

surrendered, one would experience the Truth immediately. But because

most do not have this kind of faith, they have to do sadhana

(Sudarshana Kriya in your case). They have to meditate. They have to

practise mantra repetition. Only then can they hold onto Guru

Shakti. Only then will they be able to assimilate his teachings. If

one was totally surrendered with complete faith to the Guru all of

this would not be necessary. This was Vashishtha's message to Shri

Rama.

 

Sadhana is the means by which you can make your heart pure enough

and strong enough to hold the knowledge of Truth given by your Guru.

Have Faith. Faith can move mountains.

 

I hope I have given enough for everyone to munch upon. I would be

delighted to hear about your experiences. If you do not want write

publicly if you feel like you can email me personally.

 

Best Wishes.

 

Shri

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

Thank you so much for reasoning out the astrological link to the

spiritual experience.The birth data I have provided on the forum is

accurate. Yes, I am running Rahu/Mercury dasa now.

Regards,

Manasa

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Correction:

> ///Proving the birth data is correct,///

>

> That, of course, should read; *Providing the birth data is correct,*

> _________

>

>

> Dear Shri, Manasa and All,

>

> In keeping with the group's mission to discuss the finer points of

jyotish,

> let's take a look at the astrological influences at the time...

>

> Proving the birth data is correct, Manasa was running dasa of RA-ME-

RA-SA.

> Natal Rahu occupies lagna in nakshatra of Ketu whilst dispositor

Sun (also

> in Ketu's nakshatra) occupies 5th house of spiritual (meditation)

techniques

> etc..

>

> Manasa Wrote:

> ///I strongly believe that there is an astrological connection to

the

> whole incident. Transiting jupiter in Sagittarius has finally

> activated the parivarthana between my first lord and fifth lord;

which

> is also shared by 9th lord & rahu. As to me this is definitely a

> mahaparivarthana. In the days to come I hope I would change further

> for good.///

>

> Yes, indeed! The exchange between 1st/5th lords (SU/JU) has lent

this

> quality to Rahu who was, at the time, transiting Aquarius in

nakshatra of

> 4th lord Mars whilst dispositor Saturn and MokshaKaraka Ketu were

transiting

> lagna in Ketu's own nakshatra...note (also) the mutual aspect

between

> transit

> MA/JU (4th/5th lords)...

>

> If I could just regress to the conversation I had with Balaji

recently

> regarding the significance of moksha bhavas (4, 9, 12) being 12th

from the

> dharmasthanas. 12th, as we know, is the house

of 'Loss'...indicating, not

> just loss of wealth (expenditure), but all kinds of loss, including

loss of

> boundaries i.e., geographical boundaries (travel to far-off places)

and

> social boundaries (hence described as a house of sin) as well as

boundaries

> of empirical ego, boundaries of consciousness etc.. (hence it's

connection

> with moksha)...

>

> If the chart indicates it, a native engaged in some

spiritual/meditation

> practice may experience deeper states of consciousness more

spontaneously

> due to influence of moksha lord's assistance during meditation

practice.

>

> In my own chart, 4th moksha lord Mars (12th from 5th) occupying 5th

has been

> a tremendous boon in regards to unbounded awareness during

meditation...the

> Self witnessing itself witnessing itself :-)))

>

> Manasa is absolutely correct when she says;

> ///I strongly believe that there is an astrological connection to

the

> whole incident.///

>

> I hope I've put this forward with sufficient clarity...still a

little foggy,

> I'm afraid, after a week of being laid up with a virus :-(

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri,

 

Thank you so much on posting on this thread. But let me clarify

myself. I have written earlier that I have taken art of living course

in my reply to prashanthji. But I didn't write, I practise sudarshana

kriya. I went for the course because of persuasion by my mother and

didn't follow meditation of any kind after that 1 week course. That

was what I meant when I wrote I have been a skeptic then. (Rahu

conjunct jupiter could be the reason). But I do have great respect

for the spiritual gurus of today for what they teach is absolutely

the truth.

 

Infact last year when I approached a priest, he told me that I

don't have to do any kind of sadhana.He said that my chart denies

diksha from a guru. I was saddened by what he said for I believed

that God doesn't love me ( I would say this as self-induced

suffering). But this recent experience helped me realize god and I am

a happier person having blessed with self realization.

 

Then, I have written earlier that I have so much to share with you

all. It's true that I been blessed with small pearls of wisdom after

the experience. But I do need more time to link those pearls in such

a way that they seem meaningful to those who read it. I hope you

would understand :-) or else I am afraid someone may find me crazy!!

 

Regards,

Manasa.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Manasa. I took a quick peek at your jatakam. Mantra pada is

being activated by gochar Guru as we communicate. This can be taken

as signpost for gurus arrival. Parivartana of Guru and Surya can by

itself talk about deeksha. moreover mantra bhavesh is involved in

the exchange. Buda is in jyeshtha. Koorma sani is in kanya (buda)

sthana. You are running Rahu/Buda vimsottari. Rasi lord is sani.

This tantamounts to smarana deeksha (Hatching may take place due to

smarana)

 

Rahu holds the sanyasa siva bija (key) from poorva janma. Period

after sep 1998 may have been the beginning of a defining spiritual,

transforming, period of your life. peak of suffering may have

reached till mid 2001 removing veil of illusion resulting in new

birth (dvija).

 

OM Jum Sah

 

Hari OM..

 

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri,

>

> Thank you so much on posting on this thread. But let me

clarify

> myself. I have written earlier that I have taken art of living

course

> in my reply to prashanthji. But I didn't write, I practise

sudarshana

> kriya. I went for the course because of persuasion by my mother

and

> didn't follow meditation of any kind after that 1 week course.

That

> was what I meant when I wrote I have been a skeptic then. (Rahu

> conjunct jupiter could be the reason). But I do have great respect

> for the spiritual gurus of today for what they teach is absolutely

> the truth.

>

> Infact last year when I approached a priest, he told me that I

> don't have to do any kind of sadhana.He said that my chart denies

> diksha from a guru. I was saddened by what he said for I believed

> that God doesn't love me ( I would say this as self-induced

> suffering). But this recent experience helped me realize god and I

am

> a happier person having blessed with self realization.

>

> Then, I have written earlier that I have so much to share with

you

> all. It's true that I been blessed with small pearls of wisdom

after

> the experience. But I do need more time to link those pearls in

such

> a way that they seem meaningful to those who read it. I hope you

> would understand :-) or else I am afraid someone may find me

crazy!!

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

[Guest guest]

typo: pl. read mantra pada as mantra bhava.

 

jyotish-vidya , " svc_astro " <svc_astro

wrote:

>

> Namaste Manasa. I took a quick peek at your jatakam. Mantra pada

is

> being activated by gochar Guru as we communicate. This can be

taken

> as signpost for gurus arrival. Parivartana of Guru and Surya can

by

> itself talk about deeksha. moreover mantra bhavesh is involved in

> the exchange. Buda is in jyeshtha. Koorma sani is in kanya (buda)

> sthana. You are running Rahu/Buda vimsottari. Rasi lord is sani.

> This tantamounts to smarana deeksha (Hatching may take place due

to

> smarana)

>

> Rahu holds the sanyasa siva bija (key) from poorva janma. Period

> after sep 1998 may have been the beginning of a defining

spiritual,

> transforming, period of your life. peak of suffering may have

> reached till mid 2001 removing veil of illusion resulting in new

> birth (dvija).

>

> OM Jum Sah

>

> Hari OM..

>

> jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri,

> >

> > Thank you so much on posting on this thread. But let me

> clarify

> > myself. I have written earlier that I have taken art of living

> course

> > in my reply to prashanthji. But I didn't write, I practise

> sudarshana

> > kriya. I went for the course because of persuasion by my mother

> and

> > didn't follow meditation of any kind after that 1 week course.

> That

> > was what I meant when I wrote I have been a skeptic then. (Rahu

> > conjunct jupiter could be the reason). But I do have great

respect

> > for the spiritual gurus of today for what they teach is

absolutely

> > the truth.

> >

> > Infact last year when I approached a priest, he told me that

I

> > don't have to do any kind of sadhana.He said that my chart

denies

> > diksha from a guru. I was saddened by what he said for I

believed

> > that God doesn't love me ( I would say this as self-induced

> > suffering). But this recent experience helped me realize god and

I

> am

> > a happier person having blessed with self realization.

> >

> > Then, I have written earlier that I have so much to share

with

> you

> > all. It's true that I been blessed with small pearls of wisdom

> after

> > the experience. But I do need more time to link those pearls in

> such

> > a way that they seem meaningful to those who read it. I hope you

> > would understand :-) or else I am afraid someone may find me

> crazy!!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Manasa.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri,

 

you wrote:

 

//peak of suffering may have

> reached till mid 2001 removing veil of illusion resulting in new

> birth (dvija)//

 

The peak of suffering had been last year in the period of angular

saturn or kandaka Shani. I suffered failure in career front and a lot

of tension in the immediate family circle too. Above all,I was

carrying a heavy emotional burden due to dejection by few of my close

relatives. Now that I have surrendered everything before god, it all

seems tolerable.

 

Thank you so much for commenting on my jathakam.

 

Regards,

Manasa.