Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, I don't wish to make too much of this and I hope this is not taken to infer anything negative. But I want to be clear that anyone can, and is encouraged, to ask questions here. One doesn't need to completely understand on the basis of an answer, or a few answers. Instead discussion is encouraged and Nilesh is capable of judging when to ask a question. Peace, Patrice _____ Please study above results and understand them properly before asking any further questions. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> , nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's ( > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same as > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now have > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > Warm Regards > > Nilesh > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Go to http://help. <http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html> /l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, Would like to be elaborated on how we could define benefic transit. Taking the same example say Saturn getting into Leo we can say it is entering into an enemy sign, however it has a 7th drishti on Aquarius its own sign.Also its 3rd drishti will be on Libra,the sign of exaltation. Best Regards Nilesh --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Nilesh, > > Saturn in Leo may not be bad for all natives, > depending on various ascendants . > But Saturn in Transit over Natal Saturn is normally > bad for all natives whatever ascendant they may > have. > > Regarding affects of slow moving planets- > If transit is good then the good effects of > transit will last for a longer period > in the natives case. > Jupiter will predominantly be good > for one year in transit in giving > good effects if benefic transit. > > Saturn will predominantly be good > for 2 and a half years in giving > good effects if benefic transit. > > Please study above results and understand > them properly before asking any further questions. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya , nilesh joshi > <niljoshi27 wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > What is the effect of having a slow moving > planet's ( > > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position > same as > > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in > his > > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now > have > > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally > strong. > > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is > just a click away. > Go to > http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hi Dear Nilesh, Bhaskar, Surya, and List, If we look today at the transit of Saturn in Leo Nilesh, the transit chart at this time shows Sun and Saturn to be mutually neutral to one another. However, Sun is in debility in Saturn's exaltation house, nearly at the most full exaltation point for Saturn, with Saturn giving aspect to both the Sun and Libra, as you mentioned, and also giving aspect to whichever house this is in specific charts. So we could say that Saturn is definitely having a strong impact on the sign of Leo and the Lord of that sign, Sun. We would also have to look at what else is affecting the sign of Leo and Sun. Currently Ketu is also in Leo, and as I write the Moon as well. Aspecting this Leo is TJupiter - and TRahu is affecting this as well as Ketu and Rahu must be considered together. And although today there is no aspect with Mars, Mars is at 17 degrees in a trine to Sun at 17 degrees exactly, so today I would also consider this. Also looking at Aquarius, and which house this is in the chart, a different affect there, but activated or energized and something else to consider depending on the house. For me personally, TSaturn is exactly on my natal Ketu in my first house, so the effects of this transit are experienced differently for me than they would be for someone else with a different chart. But could we say this is a benefic transit? Depending on what we are looking at, which aspect of my life, we could say it's benefic. Much depends on the natal chart and therefore the psyche, the goals, other particulars of the native. And really we can't generalize the entire transit of Saturn through Leo as the daily transits change, the nakshatras activated change via the other planets, and the other planets themselves positions changing as well. Even some write that the beginning of this transit in Leo would have a different effect then once it's been there awhile, and again perhaps as it is in the latter degrees of Leo. Also I haven't expressed the ashtakavarga points, which I personally don't have enough experience in using these, but other Jyotishi would possibly use and evaluate from this as well. In general we can take a look at what's going on with celebrities in Hollywood as stars/actors are expressed by Leo. News in the US is full of this right now and what atonements are taking place in general within that group/community. If we specifically take Brittany Spears, she isn't 'getting it' and Saturn is not allowing this, she's being brought to the carpet, so to speak. Her children have been removed, she is court ordered to have drug/alcohol tests, etc. From Brittany's perspective, this could be a bad time, bad transit, but in reality (which is what Saturn demands us to look at) this transit will work for her benefit definitely in the end and demands that she take more responsibility. However, it appears this is being experienced as a bad time by her, and these lessons appear to be difficult for her. Another thing we could consider are the fires in southern California and elsewhere. With Ketu and Saturn in Leo and the dignity of the Sun, and then consider especially the nakshatras involved in this transit. My book lists Cancer as significator for southern California. From what you've written to Surya Prakash, it appears you may be viewing this from a Taurus ascendant. It's helpful to know which houses the constellations are in, and much more so to have the full chart. Generalizations cannot be specific - and only these generalizations can be given without more information. Looking generally then from a Taurus ascendant this transit of Saturn is in the 4H, and you've mentioned Moon in 12H from there in Cancer. This transit then would have its effects more strongly associated with 4H matters, mother, home, emotions, close friends, comforts, confidence or happiness. Perhaps also/or property, vehicles, etc.. With Moon natally in the 12H from this and Moon as natural karaka for 4H, this is also highlighted then at this time. Relationship with mother may be maturing and native experiencing a change in this relationship. Also perhaps change of home, or leaving the area, moving to a different area. Taurus ascendant also then has a 10H aspect of Saturn on the 1H. I hope this is helpful. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ Dear Bhaskar, Would like to be elaborated on how we could define benefic transit. Taking the same example say Saturn getting into Leo we can say it is entering into an enemy sign, however it has a 7th drishti on Aquarius its own sign.Also its 3rd drishti will be on Libra,the sign of exaltation. Best Regards Nilesh ____________________________ Dear Surya Prakash, Lets consider that Leo is the 4th house or the Ascendant is Taurus.Say moon is in Cancer. 4 .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14388628/grpspId=1705082690/msgI d=7165/stime=1194154301/nc1=4507179/nc2=3848641/nc3=3848585> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear members of the List, Apart of the gocher situation,i.e. Saturn in Leo -please note that Saturn is entering Magha in July next year - if I go into my own chart which is Asc- Leo where all of u are fully aware all the planets - and Rahu being in 7H -it is effecting not only health but also family life specifically relation with better half - Please note that Asc is Purvaphal - Sun and Neptune - both of them are in Magha hence when Saturn enter Magha July - GOD ONLY knowes the result of my life. Although prayers are helping me to keep my mind under control but at time the situation becomes very very depressing - say for instance last to days has been like a hell. It is quite understand able - because I am passing through Ketu Maha Dasha also it effects health and overhaul situation - In case anyone whats to study my chart, birth details are as follows: DOB 18 / 08 / 1931 TOB 08.00 A.M. P.O.B. KARACHI [ PAKISTAN] IN 31 IT WAS IN INDIA. comments of all learn ed members are well come - Hari bol pdk Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote: Hi Dear Nilesh, Bhaskar, Surya, and List, If we look today at the transit of Saturn in Leo Nilesh, the transit chart at this time shows Sun and Saturn to be mutually neutral to one another. However, Sun is in debility in Saturn's exaltation house, nearly at the most full exaltation point for Saturn, with Saturn giving aspect to both the Sun and Libra, as you mentioned, and also giving aspect to whichever house this is in specific charts. So we could say that Saturn is definitely having a strong impact on the sign of Leo and the Lord of that sign, Sun. We would also have to look at what else is affecting the sign of Leo and Sun. Currently Ketu is also in Leo, and as I write the Moon as well. Aspecting this Leo is TJupiter - and TRahu is affecting this as well as Ketu and Rahu must be considered together. And although today there is no aspect with Mars, Mars is at 17 degrees in a trine to Sun at 17 degrees exactly, so today I would also consider this. Also looking at Aquarius, and which house this is in the chart, a different affect there, but activated or energized and something else to consider depending on the house. For me personally, TSaturn is exactly on my natal Ketu in my first house, so the effects of this transit are experienced differently for me than they would be for someone else with a different chart. But could we say this is a benefic transit? Depending on what we are looking at, which aspect of my life, we could say it's benefic. Much depends on the natal chart and therefore the psyche, the goals, other particulars of the native. And really we can't generalize the entire transit of Saturn through Leo as the daily transits change, the nakshatras activated change via the other planets, and the other planets themselves positions changing as well. Even some write that the beginning of this transit in Leo would have a different effect then once it's been there awhile, and again perhaps as it is in the latter degrees of Leo. Also I haven't expressed the ashtakavarga points, which I personally don't have enough experience in using these, but other Jyotishi would possibly use and evaluate from this as well. In general we can take a look at what's going on with celebrities in Hollywood as stars/actors are expressed by Leo. News in the US is full of this right now and what atonements are taking place in general within that group/community. If we specifically take Brittany Spears, she isn't 'getting it' and Saturn is not allowing this, she's being brought to the carpet, so to speak. Her children have been removed, she is court ordered to have drug/alcohol tests, etc. From Brittany's perspective, this could be a bad time, bad transit, but in reality (which is what Saturn demands us to look at) this transit will work for her benefit definitely in the end and demands that she take more responsibility. However, it appears this is being experienced as a bad time by her, and these lessons appear to be difficult for her. Another thing we could consider are the fires in southern California and elsewhere. With Ketu and Saturn in Leo and the dignity of the Sun, and then consider especially the nakshatras involved in this transit. My book lists Cancer as significator for southern California. From what you've written to Surya Prakash, it appears you may be viewing this from a Taurus ascendant. It's helpful to know which houses the constellations are in, and much more so to have the full chart. Generalizations cannot be specific - and only these generalizations can be given without more information. Looking generally then from a Taurus ascendant this transit of Saturn is in the 4H, and you've mentioned Moon in 12H from there in Cancer. This transit then would have its effects more strongly associated with 4H matters, mother, home, emotions, close friends, comforts, confidence or happiness. Perhaps also/or property, vehicles, etc.. With Moon natally in the 12H from this and Moon as natural karaka for 4H, this is also highlighted then at this time. Relationship with mother may be maturing and native experiencing a change in this relationship. Also perhaps change of home, or leaving the area, moving to a different area. Taurus ascendant also then has a 10H aspect of Saturn on the 1H. I hope this is helpful. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ Dear Bhaskar, Would like to be elaborated on how we could define benefic transit. Taking the same example say Saturn getting into Leo we can say it is entering into an enemy sign, however it has a 7th drishti on Aquarius its own sign.Also its 3rd drishti will be on Libra,the sign of exaltation. Best Regards Nilesh ____________________________ Dear Surya Prakash, Lets consider that Leo is the 4th house or the Ascendant is Taurus.Say moon is in Cancer. 4 .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14388628/grpspId=1705082690/msgI d=7165/stime=1194154301/nc1=4507179/nc2=3848641/nc3=3848585> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear SPI, pdk, Patrice, Nilesh and All, SPI Wrote: ///The position of Leo in the order from the Lagna, AL, UL, HL, SL etc will give different effects/// The use of the above-mentioned lagnas, used extensively in the Jaimini system, has been discussed at length on this forum. See message #7023... Again I can only advise that the vimsottari principles, based upon natural karakas, planetary aspects, lordship, friendship scheme etc - advocated by Parashara to be supreme in this age - is a complete system and introducing other techniques leads only to confusion. pdk wrote: ///Please note that Asc is Purvaphal - Sun and Neptune - both of them are in Magha hence when Saturn enter Magha July - GOD ONLY knowes the result of my life./// As I'm sure you know, the trans-Saturnine planets (Neptune etc), have no role to play in our (individual) destiny. ///Although prayers are helping me to keep my mind under control but at time the situation becomes very very depressing - say for instance last to days has been like a hell. It is quite understand able - because I am passing through Ketu Maha Dasha also it effects health and overhaul situation -/// If you refer to msg #6209 you will see that the transit of Saturn (in your chart) was spoken of with the advice given that it could be a difficult transit as per the Parashara (vimsottari) system. Have you taken any steps to pacify Saturn? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " pdk kotak " <ganeshji101 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, November 05, 2007 7:19 AM RE: Re: gochar doubt Dear members of the List, Apart of the gocher situation,i.e. Saturn in Leo -please note that Saturn is entering Magha in July next year - if I go into my own chart which is Asc- Leo where all of u are fully aware all the planets - and Rahu being in 7H -it is effecting not only health but also family life specifically relation with better half - Please note that Asc is Purvaphal - Sun and Neptune - both of them are in Magha hence when Saturn enter Magha July - GOD ONLY knowes the result of my life. Although prayers are helping me to keep my mind under control but at time the situation becomes very very depressing - say for instance last to days has been like a hell. It is quite understand able - because I am passing through Ketu Maha Dasha also it effects health and overhaul situation - In case anyone whats to study my chart, birth details are as follows: DOB 18 / 08 / 1931 TOB 08.00 A.M. P.O.B. KARACHI [ PAKISTAN] IN 31 IT WAS IN INDIA. comments of all learn ed members are well come - Hari bol pdk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Patrice, God willing I can read through your post (properly) later today :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Patrice Curry " <patricecurry <jyotish-vidya > Monday, November 05, 2007 3:10 AM RE: Re: gochar doubt Hi Dear Nilesh, Bhaskar, Surya, and List, If we look today at the transit of Saturn in Leo Nilesh, the transit chart at this time shows Sun and Saturn to be mutually neutral to one another. However, Sun is in debility in Saturn's exaltation house, nearly at the most full exaltation point for Saturn, with Saturn giving aspect to both the Sun and Libra, as you mentioned, and also giving aspect to whichever house this is in specific charts. So we could say that Saturn is definitely having a strong impact on the sign of Leo and the Lord of that sign, Sun. We would also have to look at what else is affecting the sign of Leo and Sun. Currently Ketu is also in Leo, and as I write the Moon as well. Aspecting this Leo is TJupiter - and TRahu is affecting this as well as Ketu and Rahu must be considered together. And although today there is no aspect with Mars, Mars is at 17 degrees in a trine to Sun at 17 degrees exactly, so today I would also consider this. Also looking at Aquarius, and which house this is in the chart, a different affect there, but activated or energized and something else to consider depending on the house. For me personally, TSaturn is exactly on my natal Ketu in my first house, so the effects of this transit are experienced differently for me than they would be for someone else with a different chart. But could we say this is a benefic transit? Depending on what we are looking at, which aspect of my life, we could say it's benefic. Much depends on the natal chart and therefore the psyche, the goals, other particulars of the native. And really we can't generalize the entire transit of Saturn through Leo as the daily transits change, the nakshatras activated change via the other planets, and the other planets themselves positions changing as well. Even some write that the beginning of this transit in Leo would have a different effect then once it's been there awhile, and again perhaps as it is in the latter degrees of Leo. Also I haven't expressed the ashtakavarga points, which I personally don't have enough experience in using these, but other Jyotishi would possibly use and evaluate from this as well. In general we can take a look at what's going on with celebrities in Hollywood as stars/actors are expressed by Leo. News in the US is full of this right now and what atonements are taking place in general within that group/community. If we specifically take Brittany Spears, she isn't 'getting it' and Saturn is not allowing this, she's being brought to the carpet, so to speak. Her children have been removed, she is court ordered to have drug/alcohol tests, etc. From Brittany's perspective, this could be a bad time, bad transit, but in reality (which is what Saturn demands us to look at) this transit will work for her benefit definitely in the end and demands that she take more responsibility. However, it appears this is being experienced as a bad time by her, and these lessons appear to be difficult for her. Another thing we could consider are the fires in southern California and elsewhere. With Ketu and Saturn in Leo and the dignity of the Sun, and then consider especially the nakshatras involved in this transit. My book lists Cancer as significator for southern California. From what you've written to Surya Prakash, it appears you may be viewing this from a Taurus ascendant. It's helpful to know which houses the constellations are in, and much more so to have the full chart. Generalizations cannot be specific - and only these generalizations can be given without more information. Looking generally then from a Taurus ascendant this transit of Saturn is in the 4H, and you've mentioned Moon in 12H from there in Cancer. This transit then would have its effects more strongly associated with 4H matters, mother, home, emotions, close friends, comforts, confidence or happiness. Perhaps also/or property, vehicles, etc.. With Moon natally in the 12H from this and Moon as natural karaka for 4H, this is also highlighted then at this time. Relationship with mother may be maturing and native experiencing a change in this relationship. Also perhaps change of home, or leaving the area, moving to a different area. Taurus ascendant also then has a 10H aspect of Saturn on the 1H. I hope this is helpful. Kindest wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hi Dear Wendy, Before you do, I should correct myself. TJupiter is not currently giving aspect onto Leo ;-0 Something else to note too is that Venus moved two days ago into Virgo and neecha. This is in Sun's star, so a kind of mutual type of exchange there between them with Sun in Libra and lord Venus neecha as well in Sun's star. I hope to get back on to respond a bit to PDK. This regarding Venus is interesting also with what he has said as well. It's great to see you on here. I haven't been able to get back on myself for some time and wanted to respond to some other posts regarding JK Rowling, but only back on now. More soon. Hope all is going very well for you Wendy. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:01 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: gochar doubt Dear Patrice, God willing I can read through your post (properly) later today :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com http://groups. <jyotish-vidya> jyotish-vidya ___ - " Patrice Curry " <patricecurry@ <patricecurry%40comcast.net> comcast.net> <jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> > Monday, November 05, 2007 3:10 AM RE: Re: gochar doubt Hi Dear Nilesh, Bhaskar, Surya, and List, If we look today at the transit of Saturn in Leo Nilesh, the transit chart at this time shows Sun and Saturn to be mutually neutral to one another. However, Sun is in debility in Saturn's exaltation house, nearly at the most full exaltation point for Saturn, with Saturn giving aspect to both the Sun and Libra, as you mentioned, and also giving aspect to whichever house this is in specific charts. So we could say that Saturn is definitely having a strong impact on the sign of Leo and the Lord of that sign, Sun. We would also have to look at what else is affecting the sign of Leo and Sun. Currently Ketu is also in Leo, and as I write the Moon as well. Aspecting this Leo is TJupiter - and TRahu is affecting this as well as Ketu and Rahu must be considered together. And although today there is no aspect with Mars, Mars is at 17 degrees in a trine to Sun at 17 degrees exactly, so today I would also consider this. Also looking at Aquarius, and which house this is in the chart, a different affect there, but activated or energized and something else to consider depending on the house. For me personally, TSaturn is exactly on my natal Ketu in my first house, so the effects of this transit are experienced differently for me than they would be for someone else with a different chart. But could we say this is a benefic transit? Depending on what we are looking at, which aspect of my life, we could say it's benefic. Much depends on the natal chart and therefore the psyche, the goals, other particulars of the native. And really we can't generalize the entire transit of Saturn through Leo as the daily transits change, the nakshatras activated change via the other planets, and the other planets themselves positions changing as well. Even some write that the beginning of this transit in Leo would have a different effect then once it's been there awhile, and again perhaps as it is in the latter degrees of Leo. Also I haven't expressed the ashtakavarga points, which I personally don't have enough experience in using these, but other Jyotishi would possibly use and evaluate from this as well. In general we can take a look at what's going on with celebrities in Hollywood as stars/actors are expressed by Leo. News in the US is full of this right now and what atonements are taking place in general within that group/community. If we specifically take Brittany Spears, she isn't 'getting it' and Saturn is not allowing this, she's being brought to the carpet, so to speak. Her children have been removed, she is court ordered to have drug/alcohol tests, etc. From Brittany's perspective, this could be a bad time, bad transit, but in reality (which is what Saturn demands us to look at) this transit will work for her benefit definitely in the end and demands that she take more responsibility. However, it appears this is being experienced as a bad time by her, and these lessons appear to be difficult for her. Another thing we could consider are the fires in southern California and elsewhere. With Ketu and Saturn in Leo and the dignity of the Sun, and then consider especially the nakshatras involved in this transit. My book lists Cancer as significator for southern California. From what you've written to Surya Prakash, it appears you may be viewing this from a Taurus ascendant. It's helpful to know which houses the constellations are in, and much more so to have the full chart. Generalizations cannot be specific - and only these generalizations can be given without more information. Looking generally then from a Taurus ascendant this transit of Saturn is in the 4H, and you've mentioned Moon in 12H from there in Cancer. This transit then would have its effects more strongly associated with 4H matters, mother, home, emotions, close friends, comforts, confidence or happiness. Perhaps also/or property, vehicles, etc.. With Moon natally in the 12H from this and Moon as natural karaka for 4H, this is also highlighted then at this time. Relationship with mother may be maturing and native experiencing a change in this relationship. Also perhaps change of home, or leaving the area, moving to a different area. Taurus ascendant also then has a 10H aspect of Saturn on the 1H. I hope this is helpful. Kindest wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, Whether you answer a question or post is up to you. And if you wish to tell someone you want them to do more homework before asking you specifically, it's understandable and courteous.. But as moderator here, I have received notes from people saying the feeling of this list has changed and it feels more harsh in some ways. Many of the old members have stopped writing much. It is the feeling of this list which has made it what it is over the years, and special to us all. Others on the list can judge for themselves if they think someone is beginning to pest or ask too much the same questions, etc.. None of us are forced to respond to anyone. But instructing someone to study and understand properly before asking any further questions is stepping over subtle boundaries that are not really yours to set. Agreed, you can set them for yourself and the time you wish to put into the list, but is it up to you to guess what someone should or shouldn't know or understand, and where they are in their understanding. This is my feeling on this. The kind of statements you made discourage some from participating and asking other questions many genuinely would like to further understand. That's not the message we want to give to the members of this list, but rather support and encourage their passion here. This isn't about Nilesh, but specifically if I were to speak of what you've written below, Nilesh is a old member of this list and has contributed much over the years. He perfectly understands the way this lists works, and I appreciate these questions he's asked as more students, myself included, learn from these questions as well. That's basically how this works here, really few ask but all gain from the discussions that follow. What you consider 'spoon-feeding' is fine for you to judge and use with your own students but is it your place to make these kind of statements here. You don't need to write long pages, and the responsibility to answer this doesn't rest solely on your shoulders at all. You have the opportunity to handle this in other ways. Bhaskar, it's the feeling or 'spirit' of the list, that I'm speaking of and none of us want to see it growing more harsh. As mentioned, I've received notes about this and I myself have seen this as well. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear Patrice , // Would like to be elaborated on how we could define benefic transit. // This is what I wished to avoid Patrice and wanted the Member to do his part, before questioning me again. I can infer that Mr. Nilesh is already knowing the basics,and if I keep myself available for answering all questions without hard work on part of the member putting an enquiry, then the answer can run into long pages, and also eventually border on ones individual Horoscope, which too would not be proper as per rules of the Forum. To avoid answering personal Horoscopes and to encourage some homework on part of the member posting basic enquiries,so that we only have to discuss some advanced matters, is the only reason I have worded my 2 Lines You have quoted, as such. Since this Forum is not for Free Horoscope readings, but for discussion on astrology, we have to avoid any spoon feeding and give chance often to the members to excersise their brains as well, which is advantageous to them only, for their own growth. In this case, though the member is not asking for any personal reading, yet it should be in his favour, if we give him a chance to do some study himself, before he comes to us with his next question, is the right approach which I prefer, which makes the member independent in time to come, as a good astrologer. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> , " Patrice Curry " <patricecurry wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > I don't wish to make too much of this and I hope this is not taken to infer > anything negative. But I want to be clear that anyone can, and is > encouraged, to ask questions here. One doesn't need to completely understand > on the basis of an answer, or a few answers. Instead discussion is > encouraged and Nilesh is capable of judging when to ask a question. > > > > Peace, > > Patrice > > > > _____ > > > > Please study above results and understand > them properly before asking any further questions. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> > , nilesh joshi <niljoshi27@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > What is the effect of having a slow moving planet's ( > > like Saturn,Jupiter,nodes etc) gochar position same as > > that of natal placement in case it is inimical. > > > > For example - say some one has Saturn in Leo in his > > natal chart ( say some body born in 1978).We now have > > Saturn in Leo.Thus Saturn is transitionally strong. > > Will it give good effect or bad effect considering > > that Saturn is in the enemy's sign. > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > Why delete messages? 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Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Pujay shri wendyji and all other friends - As advised by u -- prayers are continued all the time - which helps quite a lot - apart from that as indicated previously, by yourself - because of lots of prayers - soul always think Que sara Que sara - but after all being Human at times as u can understand Human mind is Monkey mind - meditation does help also - With Best wishes for the Coming season [ DIWALI AND NEW YEAR ] let the blessing of Mother Shakti help all of us - pdk Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear SPI, pdk, Patrice, Nilesh and All, SPI Wrote: ///The position of Leo in the order from the Lagna, AL, UL, HL, SL etc will give different effects/// The use of the above-mentioned lagnas, used extensively in the Jaimini system, has been discussed at length on this forum. See message #7023... Again I can only advise that the vimsottari principles, based upon natural karakas, planetary aspects, lordship, friendship scheme etc - advocated by Parashara to be supreme in this age - is a complete system and introducing other techniques leads only to confusion. pdk wrote: ///Please note that Asc is Purvaphal - Sun and Neptune - both of them are in Magha hence when Saturn enter Magha July - GOD ONLY knowes the result of my life./// As I'm sure you know, the trans-Saturnine planets (Neptune etc), have no role to play in our (individual) destiny. ///Although prayers are helping me to keep my mind under control but at time the situation becomes very very depressing - say for instance last to days has been like a hell. It is quite understand able - because I am passing through Ketu Maha Dasha also it effects health and overhaul situation -/// If you refer to msg #6209 you will see that the transit of Saturn (in your chart) was spoken of with the advice given that it could be a difficult transit as per the Parashara (vimsottari) system. Have you taken any steps to pacify Saturn? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " pdk kotak " <ganeshji101 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, November 05, 2007 7:19 AM RE: Re: gochar doubt Dear members of the List, Apart of the gocher situation,i.e. Saturn in Leo -please note that Saturn is entering Magha in July next year - if I go into my own chart which is Asc- Leo where all of u are fully aware all the planets - and Rahu being in 7H -it is effecting not only health but also family life specifically relation with better half - Please note that Asc is Purvaphal - Sun and Neptune - both of them are in Magha hence when Saturn enter Magha July - GOD ONLY knowes the result of my life. Although prayers are helping me to keep my mind under control but at time the situation becomes very very depressing - say for instance last to days has been like a hell. It is quite understand able - because I am passing through Ketu Maha Dasha also it effects health and overhaul situation - In case anyone whats to study my chart, birth details are as follows: DOB 18 / 08 / 1931 TOB 08.00 A.M. P.O.B. KARACHI [ PAKISTAN] IN 31 IT WAS IN INDIA. comments of all learn ed members are well come - Hari bol pdk Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Hi Dear Bhaskar, Thanks for your understanding, and your kind words, as well as welcoming me back. I look forward to your posts and participation. With your good heart and intelligence, I'm sure you can post free from any harshness. We all benefit by your sharing your thoughts and knowledge and your participation on this list. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ Dear Patrice That was a beautifully worded and kind mail from you. I appreciate your difficulties you face as Job of Moderator is not easy. I know I am harsh more than often, Which is why if You notice, I rarely write on this List nowadays. but believe me, my harshness is meant only for good of the poster. I will recede to the background from now on, if due to me there is any otherwise feeling on the Forum. By the way, it is good to see you back here, and I have not a single student studying under me, for I am no Guru on Astrology.Always in Learning mode. Wish all of you the best. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 HI Dear PDK and List, Sorry to hear of your hardships, PDK. I hope your health is improving as well as feelings of depression. My thoughts on this were written 4th of November but haven't found time to return to it. So this is written from what the transits were that day PDK. I wanted to mention that this Sun debilitated in Libra - also has Libra's lord, Venus in debility in Sun's star. This is the only planet currently in Sun's star. This fact that both the Sun and the lord of this sign of debility are neecha is more difficult in general for Sun - as well as having this neecha Venus in Sun's star... This gives a kind of parivartana - not technically so, but this exchange going on. PDK, this Venus moved into Virgo, two days ago, and you make note of the situation there during these days. When we look at your natal chart Saturn also in Venus star along with your ascendant and Mercury. The transits of Moon and Mercury are interesting right now as there is also an exchange of both the transiting Moon and Mercury right on your natal Mercury and Moon as well as today. (November 4th - Transiting Moon on your natal Mercury and Transiting Mercury on your natal Moon.) Below you've mentioned that Saturn is entering Magha in July next year - it's actually in Magha right now. Leaves Magha into Poorva Phalguni this Saturday on November 10th.. Stations and goes retrograde again at 14:41 Leo still in Poorva Phalguni, returning into Magha on January 27th where it stays and stations again at 7:48 Leo in Magha on May 2nd. On July 27th Saturn moves from Magha into Poorva Phalguni again. It is a tough transit for you for all the reasons you've stated as well as what you mentioned below regarding your 'better half' - getting more difficult a couple days ago when Venus also went neecha... Wendy's great advice for taking actions to pacify Saturn which is still important with all these Saturn transits mentioned above. I think important too at this current time to help and strengthen your Sun until November 15th. And Venus: - perhaps pacifying Venus. It looks to be a difficult time for you with respect to your relationship as you've mentioned, and even once Sun moves on November 15th into Scorpio, at that time transiting and neecha Venus on your natal Ketu, and quickly then also moving towards your natal Mars. Both in Hasta, Moon's star and TVenus enters Hasta next Monday. Surely all on your mind and emotions and tough for you. Natally Moon and Venus have parivartana in your chart (if your 8:00 is correct birth time, at 8:00 or later). I use Krishnamurti ayanamsa, but either Krishnamurti or Lahiri puts you with Venus pratyantardasa right now. Venus in transit moves very quickly so perhaps these effects strongest currently and approaching. Listening to Navagraha Stortam, which Wendy has put on her website a link for this, and/or if possible having puja for all the planets may make this time more comfortable for you. Great that you are focused on prayer and I'm sure your prayers are very helpful... As well meditation clearly would be useful as well with both Saturn and Ketu involved here and both signifying meditation. For me I'm always drawn to Moon and Mary, which Mary may be here more in the west. Helpful for the mind, emotions, and how we feel. Mind and Moon so important and the effects on every aspect of our lives, which is also why meditation has proven to be important and helpful. Although clearly Neptune isn't used in traditional Jyotish, I personally find it useful with medical and in other ways. I've noticed your natal Neptune is exactly on my natal Ketu.. The current transit at this point in your chart may be a very spiritual time for you. Try not to become too disillusioned/disenchanted in an unhealthy way. Perhaps at this time encourage your poetic, intuitive side as well as compassion for yourself. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear members of the List, Apart of the gocher situation,i.e. Saturn in Leo -please note that Saturn is entering Magha in July next year - if I go into my own chart which is Asc- Leo where all of u are fully aware all the planets - and Rahu being in 7H -it is effecting not only health but also family life specifically relation with better half - Please note that Asc is Purvaphal - Sun and Neptune - both of them are in Magha hence when Saturn enter Magha July - GOD ONLY knowes the result of my life. Although prayers are helping me to keep my mind under control but at time the situation becomes very very depressing - say for instance last to days has been like a hell. It is quite understand able - because I am passing through Ketu Maha Dasha also it effects health and overhaul situation - In case anyone whats to study my chart, birth details are as follows: DOB 18 / 08 / 1931 TOB 08.00 A.M. P.O.B. KARACHI [ PAKISTAN] IN 31 IT WAS IN INDIA. comments of all learn ed members are well come - Hari bol pdk Patrice Curry <patricecurry@ <patricecurry%40comcast.net> comcast.net> wrote: Hi Dear Nilesh, Bhaskar, Surya, and List, If we look today at the transit of Saturn in Leo Nilesh, the transit chart at this time shows Sun and Saturn to be mutually neutral to one another. However, Sun is in debility in Saturn's exaltation house, nearly at the most full exaltation point for Saturn, with Saturn giving aspect to both the Sun and Libra, as you mentioned, and also giving aspect to whichever house this is in specific charts. So we could say that Saturn is definitely having a strong impact on the sign of Leo and the Lord of that sign, Sun. We would also have to look at what else is affecting the sign of Leo and Sun. Currently Ketu is also in Leo, and as I write the Moon as well. Aspecting this Leo is TJupiter - and TRahu is affecting this as well as Ketu and Rahu must be considered together. And although today there is no aspect with Mars, Mars is at 17 degrees in a trine to Sun at 17 degrees exactly, so today I would also consider this. Also looking at Aquarius, and which house this is in the chart, a different affect there, but activated or energized and something else to consider depending on the house. For me personally, TSaturn is exactly on my natal Ketu in my first house, so the effects of this transit are experienced differently for me than they would be for someone else with a different chart. But could we say this is a benefic transit? Depending on what we are looking at, which aspect of my life, we could say it's benefic. Much depends on the natal chart and therefore the psyche, the goals, other particulars of the native. And really we can't generalize the entire transit of Saturn through Leo as the daily transits change, the nakshatras activated change via the other planets, and the other planets themselves positions changing as well. Even some write that the beginning of this transit in Leo would have a different effect then once it's been there awhile, and again perhaps as it is in the latter degrees of Leo. Also I haven't expressed the ashtakavarga points, which I personally don't have enough experience in using these, but other Jyotishi would possibly use and evaluate from this as well. In general we can take a look at what's going on with celebrities in Hollywood as stars/actors are expressed by Leo. News in the US is full of this right now and what atonements are taking place in general within that group/community. If we specifically take Brittany Spears, she isn't 'getting it' and Saturn is not allowing this, she's being brought to the carpet, so to speak. Her children have been removed, she is court ordered to have drug/alcohol tests, etc. From Brittany's perspective, this could be a bad time, bad transit, but in reality (which is what Saturn demands us to look at) this transit will work for her benefit definitely in the end and demands that she take more responsibility. However, it appears this is being experienced as a bad time by her, and these lessons appear to be difficult for her. Another thing we could consider are the fires in southern California and elsewhere. With Ketu and Saturn in Leo and the dignity of the Sun, and then consider especially the nakshatras involved in this transit. My book lists Cancer as significator for southern California. From what you've written to Surya Prakash, it appears you may be viewing this from a Taurus ascendant. It's helpful to know which houses the constellations are in, and much more so to have the full chart. Generalizations cannot be specific - and only these generalizations can be given without more information. Looking generally then from a Taurus ascendant this transit of Saturn is in the 4H, and you've mentioned Moon in 12H from there in Cancer. This transit then would have its effects more strongly associated with 4H matters, mother, home, emotions, close friends, comforts, confidence or happiness. Perhaps also/or property, vehicles, etc.. With Moon natally in the 12H from this and Moon as natural karaka for 4H, this is also highlighted then at this time. Relationship with mother may be maturing and native experiencing a change in this relationship. Also perhaps change of home, or leaving the area, moving to a different area. Taurus ascendant also then has a 10H aspect of Saturn on the 1H. I hope this is helpful. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ Dear Bhaskar, Would like to be elaborated on how we could define benefic transit. Taking the same example say Saturn getting into Leo we can say it is entering into an enemy sign, however it has a 7th drishti on Aquarius its own sign.Also its 3rd drishti will be on Libra,the sign of exaltation. Best Regards Nilesh ____________________________ Dear Surya Prakash, Lets consider that Leo is the 4th house or the Ascendant is Taurus.Say moon is in Cancer. 4 .. <http://geo.. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14388628/grpspId=1705082690/msgI > com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=14388628/grpspId=1705082690/msgI d=7165/stime=1194154301/nc1=4507179/nc2=3848641/nc3=3848585> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Pujay shri Wendji and Patrice, Jay shree Krishana, Many many thanks 2 both of u - I really feel joyful when read yr mail, going through gives a peace in mind and soul - I have kept on following the advice given to me since the beginning of Ketu Maha Dasha - prayers and meditation which has not only helped me but get a good experience and Self observation + s/control. that is the reason I always feel Que Sara Que sara. with best wishes for the seasons to all of u and members of the list. May the Divine Light of Diwali Spread into your Life Peace, Prosperity, Happiness and Good Health. and together with all your family members. Hari bol pdk Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote: HI Dear PDK and List, Sorry to hear of your hardships, PDK. I hope your health is improving as well as feelings of depression. My thoughts on this were written 4th of November but haven't found time to return to it. So this is written from what the transits were that day PDK. I wanted to mention that this Sun debilitated in Libra - also has Libra's lord, Venus in debility in Sun's star. This is the only planet currently in Sun's star. This fact that both the Sun and the lord of this sign of debility are neecha is more difficult in general for Sun - as well as having this neecha Venus in Sun's star... This gives a kind of parivartana - not technically so, but this exchange going on. PDK, this Venus moved into Virgo, two days ago, and you make note of the situation there during these days. When we look at your natal chart Saturn also in Venus star along with your ascendant and Mercury. The transits of Moon and Mercury are interesting right now as there is also an exchange of both the transiting Moon and Mercury right on your natal Mercury and Moon as well as today. (November 4th - Transiting Moon on your natal Mercury and Transiting Mercury on your natal Moon.) Below you've mentioned that Saturn is entering Magha in July next year - it's actually in Magha right now. Leaves Magha into Poorva Phalguni this Saturday on November 10th.. Stations and goes retrograde again at 14:41 Leo still in Poorva Phalguni, returning into Magha on January 27th where it stays and stations again at 7:48 Leo in Magha on May 2nd. On July 27th Saturn moves from Magha into Poorva Phalguni again. It is a tough transit for you for all the reasons you've stated as well as what you mentioned below regarding your 'better half' - getting more difficult a couple days ago when Venus also went neecha... Wendy's great advice for taking actions to pacify Saturn which is still important with all these Saturn transits mentioned above. I think important too at this current time to help and strengthen your Sun until November 15th. And Venus: - perhaps pacifying Venus. It looks to be a difficult time for you with respect to your relationship as you've mentioned, and even once Sun moves on November 15th into Scorpio, at that time transiting and neecha Venus on your natal Ketu, and quickly then also moving towards your natal Mars. Both in Hasta, Moon's star and TVenus enters Hasta next Monday. Surely all on your mind and emotions and tough for you. Natally Moon and Venus have parivartana in your chart (if your 8:00 is correct birth time, at 8:00 or later). I use Krishnamurti ayanamsa, but either Krishnamurti or Lahiri puts you with Venus pratyantardasa right now. Venus in transit moves very quickly so perhaps these effects strongest currently and approaching. Listening to Navagraha Stortam, which Wendy has put on her website a link for this, and/or if possible having puja for all the planets may make this time more comfortable for you. Great that you are focused on prayer and I'm sure your prayers are very helpful... As well meditation clearly would be useful as well with both Saturn and Ketu involved here and both signifying meditation. For me I'm always drawn to Moon and Mary, which Mary may be here more in the west. Helpful for the mind, emotions, and how we feel. Mind and Moon so important and the effects on every aspect of our lives, which is also why meditation has proven to be important and helpful. Although clearly Neptune isn't used in traditional Jyotish, I personally find it useful with medical and in other ways. I've noticed your natal Neptune is exactly on my natal Ketu.. The current transit at this point in your chart may be a very spiritual time for you. Try not to become too disillusioned/disenchanted in an unhealthy way. Perhaps at this time encourage your poetic, intuitive side as well as compassion for yourself. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear members of the List, Apart of the gocher situation,i.e. Saturn in Leo -please note that Saturn is entering Magha in July next year - if I go into my own chart which is Asc- Leo where all of u are fully aware all the planets - and Rahu being in 7H -it is effecting not only health but also family life specifically relation with better half - Please note that Asc is Purvaphal - Sun and Neptune - both of them are in Magha hence when Saturn enter Magha July - GOD ONLY knowes the result of my life. Although prayers are helping me to keep my mind under control but at time the situation becomes very very depressing - say for instance last to days has been like a hell. It is quite understand able - because I am passing through Ketu Maha Dasha also it effects health and overhaul situation - In case anyone whats to study my chart, birth details are as follows: DOB 18 / 08 / 1931 TOB 08.00 A.M. P.O.B. KARACHI [ PAKISTAN] IN 31 IT WAS IN INDIA. comments of all learn ed members are well come - Hari bol pdk Patrice Curry <patricecurry@ <patricecurry%40comcast.net> comcast.net> wrote: Hi Dear Nilesh, Bhaskar, Surya, and List, If we look today at the transit of Saturn in Leo Nilesh, the transit chart at this time shows Sun and Saturn to be mutually neutral to one another. However, Sun is in debility in Saturn's exaltation house, nearly at the most full exaltation point for Saturn, with Saturn giving aspect to both the Sun and Libra, as you mentioned, and also giving aspect to whichever house this is in specific charts. So we could say that Saturn is definitely having a strong impact on the sign of Leo and the Lord of that sign, Sun. We would also have to look at what else is affecting the sign of Leo and Sun. Currently Ketu is also in Leo, and as I write the Moon as well. Aspecting this Leo is TJupiter - and TRahu is affecting this as well as Ketu and Rahu must be considered together. And although today there is no aspect with Mars, Mars is at 17 degrees in a trine to Sun at 17 degrees exactly, so today I would also consider this. Also looking at Aquarius, and which house this is in the chart, a different affect there, but activated or energized and something else to consider depending on the house. For me personally, TSaturn is exactly on my natal Ketu in my first house, so the effects of this transit are experienced differently for me than they would be for someone else with a different chart. But could we say this is a benefic transit? Depending on what we are looking at, which aspect of my life, we could say it's benefic. Much depends on the natal chart and therefore the psyche, the goals, other particulars of the native. And really we can't generalize the entire transit of Saturn through Leo as the daily transits change, the nakshatras activated change via the other planets, and the other planets themselves positions changing as well. Even some write that the beginning of this transit in Leo would have a different effect then once it's been there awhile, and again perhaps as it is in the latter degrees of Leo. Also I haven't expressed the ashtakavarga points, which I personally don't have enough experience in using these, but other Jyotishi would possibly use and evaluate from this as well. In general we can take a look at what's going on with celebrities in Hollywood as stars/actors are expressed by Leo. News in the US is full of this right now and what atonements are taking place in general within that group/community. If we specifically take Brittany Spears, she isn't 'getting it' and Saturn is not allowing this, she's being brought to the carpet, so to speak. Her children have been removed, she is court ordered to have drug/alcohol tests, etc. From Brittany's perspective, this could be a bad time, bad transit, but in reality (which is what Saturn demands us to look at) this transit will work for her benefit definitely in the end and demands that she take more responsibility. However, it appears this is being experienced as a bad time by her, and these lessons appear to be difficult for her. Another thing we could consider are the fires in southern California and elsewhere. With Ketu and Saturn in Leo and the dignity of the Sun, and then consider especially the nakshatras involved in this transit. My book lists Cancer as significator for southern California. From what you've written to Surya Prakash, it appears you may be viewing this from a Taurus ascendant. It's helpful to know which houses the constellations are in, and much more so to have the full chart. Generalizations cannot be specific - and only these generalizations can be given without more information. Looking generally then from a Taurus ascendant this transit of Saturn is in the 4H, and you've mentioned Moon in 12H from there in Cancer. This transit then would have its effects more strongly associated with 4H matters, mother, home, emotions, close friends, comforts, confidence or happiness. Perhaps also/or property, vehicles, etc.. With Moon natally in the 12H from this and Moon as natural karaka for 4H, this is also highlighted then at this time. Relationship with mother may be maturing and native experiencing a change in this relationship. Also perhaps change of home, or leaving the area, moving to a different area. Taurus ascendant also then has a 10H aspect of Saturn on the 1H. I hope this is helpful. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ Dear Bhaskar, Would like to be elaborated on how we could define benefic transit. Taking the same example say Saturn getting into Leo we can say it is entering into an enemy sign, however it has a 7th drishti on Aquarius its own sign.Also its 3rd drishti will be on Libra,the sign of exaltation. Best Regards Nilesh ____________________________ Dear Surya Prakash, Lets consider that Leo is the 4th house or the Ascendant is Taurus.Say moon is in Cancer. 4 .. <http://geo.. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14388628/grpspId=1705082690/msgI > com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=14388628/grpspId=1705082690/msgI d=7165/stime=1194154301/nc1=4507179/nc2=3848641/nc3=3848585> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear pdk, I have also heard that feeding stray dogs during ketu dasa reduces the suffering that one undergoes. Warm Regards Nilesh --- pdk kotak <ganeshji101 wrote: > > Pujay shri Wendji and Patrice, > > Jay shree Krishana, > > Many many thanks 2 both of u - I really feel > joyful when read yr mail, going through gives a > peace in mind and soul - I have kept on following > the advice given to me since the > beginning of Ketu Maha Dasha - prayers and > meditation which has not only helped me > but get a good experience and Self observation + > s/control. > > that is the reason I always feel Que Sara Que > sara. > with best wishes for the seasons to all of u and > members of the list. > > May the Divine Light of Diwali Spread into your > Life > Peace, Prosperity, Happiness and Good Health. > > and together with all your family members. > > > Hari bol pdk > > > > Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote: > HI Dear PDK and List, > > Sorry to hear of your hardships, PDK. I hope your > health is improving as > well as feelings of depression. > > My thoughts on this were written 4th of November but > haven't found time to > return to it. So this is written from what the > transits were that day PDK. > > I wanted to mention that this Sun debilitated in > Libra - also has Libra's > lord, Venus in debility in Sun's star. This is the > only planet currently in > Sun's star. This fact that both the Sun and the lord > of this sign of > debility are neecha is more difficult in general for > Sun - as well as having > this neecha Venus in Sun's star... This gives a kind > of parivartana - not > technically so, but this exchange going on. > > PDK, this Venus moved into Virgo, two days ago, and > you make note of the > situation there during these days. > > When we look at your natal chart Saturn also in > Venus star along with your > ascendant and Mercury. The transits of Moon and > Mercury are interesting > right now as there is also an exchange of both the > transiting Moon and > Mercury right on your natal Mercury and Moon as well > as today. (November 4th > - Transiting Moon on your natal Mercury and > Transiting Mercury on your natal > Moon.) > > Below you've mentioned that Saturn is entering Magha > in July next year - > it's actually in Magha right now. Leaves Magha into > Poorva Phalguni this > Saturday on November 10th.. Stations and goes > retrograde again at 14:41 Leo > still in Poorva Phalguni, returning into Magha on > January 27th where it > stays and stations again at 7:48 Leo in Magha on May > 2nd. On July 27th > Saturn moves from Magha into Poorva Phalguni again. > > It is a tough transit for you for all the reasons > you've stated as well as > what you mentioned below regarding your 'better > half' - getting more > difficult a couple days ago when Venus also went > neecha... > > Wendy's great advice for taking actions to pacify > Saturn which is still > important with all these Saturn transits mentioned > above. I think important > too at this current time to help and strengthen your > Sun until November > 15th. > > And Venus: - perhaps pacifying Venus. It looks to be > a difficult time for > you with respect to your relationship as you've > mentioned, and even once Sun > moves on November 15th into Scorpio, at that time > transiting and neecha > Venus on your natal Ketu, and quickly then also > moving towards your natal > Mars. Both in Hasta, Moon's star and TVenus enters > Hasta next Monday. Surely > all on your mind and emotions and tough for you. > Natally Moon and Venus have > parivartana in your chart (if your 8:00 is correct > birth time, at 8:00 or > later). I use Krishnamurti ayanamsa, but either > Krishnamurti or Lahiri puts > you with Venus pratyantardasa right now. > > Venus in transit moves very quickly so perhaps these > effects strongest > currently and approaching. > > Listening to Navagraha Stortam, which Wendy has put > on her website a link > for this, and/or if possible having puja for all the > planets may make this > time more comfortable for you. Great that you are > focused on prayer and I'm > sure your prayers are very helpful... As well > meditation clearly would be > useful as well with both Saturn and Ketu involved > here and both signifying > meditation. > > For me I'm always drawn to Moon and Mary, which Mary > may be here more in the > west. Helpful for the mind, emotions, and how we > feel. Mind and Moon so > important and the effects on every aspect of our > lives, which is also why > meditation has proven to be important and helpful. > > Although clearly Neptune isn't used in traditional > Jyotish, I personally > find it useful with medical and in other ways. I've > noticed your natal > Neptune is exactly on my natal Ketu.. The current > transit at this point in > your chart may be a very spiritual time for you. Try > not to become too > disillusioned/disenchanted in an unhealthy way. > Perhaps at this time > encourage your poetic, intuitive side as well as > compassion for yourself. > > Kindest regards, > > Patrice > > _____ > > Dear members of the List, > > Apart of the gocher situation,i.e. Saturn in Leo > -please note that Saturn is > entering Magha > in July next year - if I go into my own chart which > is Asc- Leo where all of > u are fully aware > all the planets - and Rahu being in 7H -it is > effecting not only health but > also family life > specifically relation with better half - > > Please note that Asc is Purvaphal - Sun and Neptune > - both of them are in > Magha > hence when Saturn enter Magha July - GOD ONLY knowes > the result of my life. > > Although prayers are helping me to keep my mind > under control but at time > the situation > becomes very very depressing - say for instance last > to days has been like a > hell. > > It is quite understand able - because I am passing > through Ketu Maha Dasha > also > > it effects health and overhaul situation - > > In case anyone whats to study my chart, birth > details are as follows: > DOB 18 / 08 / 1931 > TOB 08.00 A.M. > P.O.B. KARACHI [ PAKISTAN] IN 31 IT WAS IN INDIA. > > comments of all learn ed members are well come - > > Hari bol pdk > > Patrice Curry <patricecurry@ > <patricecurry%40comcast.net> > === message truncated === Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos./groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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