Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hi Wendy, thanks for the ref on ashtakavarga and u have summed the position that Raman has also suggested in his works isn't it and as u said // ... It's my opinion that the vimsottari principles, based upon natural karakas, planetary aspects, lordship, friendship scheme etc., are complete within themselves...// is good enough in this what I had gathered from my Guru has been to use the same Vimshottari positions or from Natal position the 3.5.7th stars being vipat, pratyaka, and nidhana taras -unfavorable this coupled with the Bindhus for say Sani in that rasi if 3 or above and total of Min 28 anything above is good below is bad in the said 3 stars if one of them happen to be in them and have found it useful and surely don't believing in mixing or using systems or other modern derivatives it makes sense once in a while a generation takes to the original Sanskrit version and adapt it for the times it is being used at least one or two classics we need to know from a sanskrit base may be if someone can teach younger generations this way it helps as all translations are relevant for their times broadly but specific clues can come from direct source. original works are useful and relevant for all times to comes just adaptations are needed. like you said I will also repeat this has been my experience and views the way My Gurus dealt with them to us. thanks prashant On 6/26/07, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Prashant, > > ///I would like to know which publisher/version of BPHS it is taken > from./// > > The questions/answers given below are from Krushna's Ashtakavarga > System... > > I might add here that, in my opinion, although information regarding the > Chara karakas is given in BPHS, their use, along with Rasi aspects, Padas > etc., is appropriate with the Rasi specific dasas (Chara, Sthira, Shoola > etc) - not Vimsottari. > > Ashtakavarga (also) is a unique system and incompatible, for instance, > with > the planetary friendship scheme used with vimsottari. As an example, if we > look at pdk's chart, the upcoming transit of Saturn in Leo is considered > favourable as per ashtakavarga; However, Saturn is an enemy of Sun (who > occupies Leo in this instance)...can we reasonably conclude that this > transit will be favourable? > > It's my opinion that the vimsottari principles, based upon natural > karakas, > planetary aspects, lordship, friendship scheme etc., are complete within > themselves and introducing other (often contradictory) techniques leads to > endless confusion. > > I also believe it's the inability to distinguish between the different > techniques that is the underlying reason why some, out of frustration, > have > developed systems of their own - the " Systems Approach " being one > example...contradictions will always be there so long as we continue to > mix > and match the different methods of prediction. > > I do want to emphasise that this is my opinion and my intention is NOT to > disregard the opinion of others. Unfortunately it seems to be difficult > (for > me) to avoid controversial topics. Although I don't wish for this, I can't > > (in good conscience) let such topics pass without offering my opinion. > Members, as always, are free to investigate the matters and draw their own > > conclusions...at least they may have the benefit of different opinions to > encourage them towards deeper study. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Monday, June 25, 2007 10:05 PM > Re: Ashtakavarga System 25/6 > > Dear Wendy, > > a good post I must say. > > I would like to know which publisher/version of BPHS it is taken from. > > in ashtakavarga as laid out by B V RAMAN it is more of what you had said > in > the 1st 2 paras, and most of RAMANS WORKS IS CONTEMPORY VERSION OF BPHS, > well adapted to our times, and most teachers in ICAS after considerable > study, research have AT LONG LAST acknowledged his pre-eminence in his > works, thouth the courses have clasics and modern works of many others, > and > ashhtakavarga they prefer ramans model to c s patels. > > rest is open to readers by their own experiences. > > Best wishs > > On 6/25/07, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish<jyotish%40optusnet.com.au>> > wrote: > > > > Hopefully members won't object (too much) if I add my thoughts on > > this... > > > > I agree with Swamy that, on the face of it, Saturn's transit through the > > sign which he contributes a positive point would logically be considered > > more favourable than when his contribution is negative. In pdk's chart, > > Saturn contributes a positive point in the first kaksha (if I'm not > > mistaken). > > However, in my opinion, Ashtakavarga is a complex system with it's own > > unique method for prediction, just as the Parashara and Jaimini systems > > (also) have their own unique methods. > > > > As an example I paste (below) some basic questions (and answers) from a > > recognised teacher of the Ashtakavarga system...more can be seen from > the > > following website http://krushna.sageasita.com > > > > **1) What about traditional planetary classifications such as benefic, > > malefic, and neutral? > > Benefic planets are those that receive more than 4 points in their > > ashtakavarga. > > Malefic planets are those that receive less than 4 points in their > > ashtakavarga. > > Neutral planets are those that receive exactly 4 points in their > > ashtakavarga. > > > > 2) What about traditional aspects? Do they apply? > > Standard Vedic aspects apply: All planets aspect the 7th from > themselves: > > Saturn aspects the 3rd, 7th, and 10th from itself; Mars aspects the 4th, > > 7th, and 8th from itself, while Jupiter aspects the 5th, 7th, and 9th > from > > itself. However, the aspects of benefics are always malefic, while the > > aspects of malefics are always benefic. This is the special effect we > get > > in > > KAS - which stands for Krushna's Ashtakavarga System. > > > > Benefics (planets with more than 4 points) aspect malefically with equal > > points. (If Jupiter has 6 points, he aspects malefically with 6 points.) > > Malefics (planets with less than 4 points) aspects benefically with > their > > point minus 8. (If Saturn has 3 points, he aspects benefically with 5 > > points.) > > Neutrals (planets with 4 points) aspect neutral with 4 points. (If > Mercury > > has 4 points, he aspects with 4 neutral points.) Refer to Lesson 3 for > > more > > clarity > > > > 3) Why are natural benefics supposed to be bad in Kendras? > > Again, natural benefics usually have more than 4 points, meaning that > > their > > aspect on the Kendra being aspected will be negative. Since Kendra's are > > more important houses for action, a negative aspect causes more problems > > here than on other houses.** > > > > So we can clearly see there's a fundamental difference here between the > > malefic/benefic classifications as per the Ashtakavarga system and > > Parashara's system (as per lordship). > > > > Considering pdk's chart for a moment, it should be noted that Saturn > > transiting Leo will aspect bhukti lord Moon; and, according to the rules > > of > > Parashara, Saturn is a functional malefic who's aspect is unfavourable. > > One > > might consider this in light of the recent discussions had with pdk > > regarding his health problem and the connection Moon has with Jupiter. I > > won't delve into this any further as my opinion was already given to pdk > > and > > I have nothing more to add to that. > > > > I just wanted to point out (mainly) that Ashtakavarga is a unique and > > complex system that has it's own set of rules... > > > > Please Note: > > This is my opinion only and is not intended to challenge anyone else's. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > > > -- > Thank you, > > Prashantkumar > -------- > For Consultation charges please write to me > -------- > G B Prashant Kumar > `Gyandeep' 4, Fifth street > Nandanam Extn, > Chennai 600035, INDIA > MOBILE 9840051861 > TEL 42110983/24340186 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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